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December 13, 2018, 02:29:33 AM
 #21221

For now, Byteball has still been a good project.
Once upon a time, BYTEBALL was a promising project, but free distribution of coins based on BTC is a mistake, which we now see.  If the project claims to be a competitor to Bitcoin, then why depend on Bitcoin.  Hope others will take this lesson into account.

You are right, and this is why Bitcoin has widely been consider as a King in crypto world.
Without Bitcoin, it is very likely that there wouldn't be Byteball and many other cryptocurrencies today because Byteball and many other cryptocurrencies use same open-source libraries that Bitcoin community has written, so it is not totally unheard of that new cryptocurrencies distribute coins to Bitcoin users, where there is already large userbase.

Next time, come up with better distribution, share it with the community, stop moaning about some old distribution that was long time ago and use the current distribution methods that are available now.

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December 13, 2018, 08:26:18 AM
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If the project regime is stupid it is up to the community to lead the project to success.
If the community can't, it's not better. That the rebranding took two years is because of these idiots.
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December 13, 2018, 12:13:43 PM
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If the project regime is stupid it is up to the community to lead the project to success.
If the community can't, it's not better. That the rebranding took two years is because of these idiots.

And that's where you are wrong. You think like a terrorist, but in reality, if you do not like the choices that has been made then you are free to fork the project and do it better.
The rebranding doesn't guarantee a name that everybody thinks is better, there could still be people who say that the new name is stupid, so people like you who think this way will damage the project no matter the name is or whatever the choices have been made.

Seriously, go do something yourself, so at least other people could have the same opportunity to tell how bad your execution is, right now you are just criticizing people who actually do something, not just talk sh!t about others. 
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You are or know a talented programmer of javascript and node.js?
There is a new contest on the Byteball platform.

The Great Byteball Bot War
Solve a real world problem (games and entertainment solves the problem of boredom  Grin)
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With the raging hash-wars delivering one devastating blow after another to the entire world of crypto, Byteball now introduces its very own war! Unlike the hash-wars, Byteball’s war is one of productivity, innovation, adoption and creativity!

We invite developers to create Chat Bots for the Byteball platform in a contest to build the most awesome, useful, innovative and creative chat bot. The best ideas will be rewarded generously.
https://steemit.com/byteball/@byteball.org/introducing-the-great-byteball-bot-war

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1st prize: USD $1000 worth of Bytes
2nd prize: USD $500 worth of Bytes
3rd prize: USD $250 worth of Bytes

If you can not program yourself, but you know someone,
invite him on a Reflink and get 10% should he win!  Grin


If the project regime is stupid it is up to the community to lead the project to success.
If the community can't, it's not better. That the rebranding took two years is because of these idiots.
it was fun with you, but it gets boring ...
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December 13, 2018, 02:03:48 PM
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What are those consolation prizes again?

Developers with brains clone the project and adapt a real world benefit from the beginning (no gambling with bots). They can then easily become multimillionaires.

So if you can't program on your own, but know someone, they will surely get you involved in the project. Surely more than 10% of nothing about a Reflink.
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@tonych * Real-name attested addresses get 1 point per GB of balance up to 10 GB and additionally 0.1 point for each GB above that.

Please, this rule is just perfect for fraud. Here for instance you can see someone using 36 times in a row the "Real-name attest" for approving his in 10 GB chunks splitted Byteballs, to get the full 1 point for every of his 360 GB. He was not even bothering changing the Referral-code. I am sure there is even a lot more people exploiting this "Real-name attestation", it shouldnt be that difficult to get 36 ID copies or people sitting infront of the Screen to get it.

You should remove these extra Points for Real-name attestation to prevent such kind of fraud.


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December 13, 2018, 08:48:37 PM
Last edit: December 13, 2018, 09:10:51 PM by altcoinb
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@tonych * Real-name attested addresses get 1 point per GB of balance up to 10 GB and additionally 0.1 point for each GB above that.

Please, this rule is just perfect for fraud. Here for instance you can see someone using 36 times in a row the "Real-name attest" for approving his in 10 GB chunks splitted Byteballs, to get the full 1 point for every of his 360 GB. He was not even bothering changing the Referral-code. I am sure there is even a lot more people exploiting this "Real-name attestation", it shouldnt be that difficult to get 36 ID copies or people sitting infront of the Screen to get it.

You should remove these extra Points for Real-name attestation to prevent such kind of fraud.
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin
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December 13, 2018, 10:40:42 PM
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@tonych * Real-name attested addresses get 1 point per GB of balance up to 10 GB and additionally 0.1 point for each GB above that.

Please, this rule is just perfect for fraud. Here for instance you can see someone using 36 times in a row the "Real-name attest" for approving his in 10 GB chunks splitted Byteballs, to get the full 1 point for every of his 360 GB. He was not even bothering changing the Referral-code. I am sure there is even a lot more people exploiting this "Real-name attestation", it shouldnt be that difficult to get 36 ID copies or people sitting infront of the Screen to get it.

You should remove these extra Points for Real-name attestation to prevent such kind of fraud.
The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Wow, this is quite easy to fool then.

I must say, I liked the original full moon drops better Cheesy

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December 13, 2018, 11:04:27 PM
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I cannot believe how the holders of this coin (who also have the motivation to make it grow)
 are making fun of the team's decisions. And for some ridiculous reason Byteball still exists.
How many more people have to tell you that decisions you come up with are bad?
One can clearly tell It is not just hate, because they do love Byteball, but not the devs's decisions.
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The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.
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The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

It doesn't really matter if that is technically cheating or not, morally it is and given the fact that such exploits are possible the team should immediately address this issue and avoid such exploits being possible or postpone the lottery and change the rules so as to guarantee it to be fair. Or else just lose another piece of community, which I suspect is NOT the purpose of this initiative.

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December 14, 2018, 02:02:33 AM
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1. This link to the page which explains the new distribution is quite hidden - not on OP, not on Website, how are people supposed to find it?

https://medium.com/byteball/weekly-draw-for-the-byteball-community-f464ae731c88

2, On this page the main issue is to convince people to attest their name, as for explaining what to do to partecipate, this is all what you can find:

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Add the Draw Airdrop bot from the Bot Store inside your Byteball wallet and follow the instructions. Good luck!

3. Such a pity that there are no instructions anywhere - so indeed you really need luck, but not to win, just to partecipate.
All what I could do in my wallet is to open the chat of that bot. Having zero instructions to follow I've introduced in the chat my wallet address and the only result is that an error mistake has popped up

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An exception occurred: Error: [$parse:syntax] Syntax Error: Token ']' is unexpected, expecting [)] at column 47 of the expression
etc etc.

...after which the wallet has crashed.

4. Now, every time I start Draw Airdrop bot I'm immediately getting the same mistake and the wallet crashes. No way to use that bot any more.

I must say I'm impressed.
On top of that I see that people are already exploiting the rules in a disgusting way.
Who is the genius who has designed this stuff?
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December 14, 2018, 02:23:39 AM
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1. This link to the page which explains the new distribution is quite hidden - not on OP, not on Website, how are people supposed to find it?

https://medium.com/byteball/weekly-draw-for-the-byteball-community-f464ae731c88

2, On this page the main issue is to convince people to attest their name, as for explaining what to do to partecipate, this is all what you can find:

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Add the Draw Airdrop bot from the Bot Store inside your Byteball wallet and follow the instructions. Good luck!

3. Such a pity that there are no instructions anywhere - so indeed you really need luck, but not to win, just to partecipate.
All what I could do in my wallet is to open the chat of that bot. Having zero instructions to follow I've introduced in the chat my wallet address and the only result is that an error mistake has popped up

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An exception occurred: Error: [$parse:syntax] Syntax Error: Token ']' is unexpected, expecting [)] at column 47 of the expression
etc etc.

...after which the wallet has crashed.

4. Now, every time I start Draw Airdrop bot I'm immediately getting the same mistake and the wallet crashes. No way to use that bot any more.

I must say I'm impressed.
On top of that I see that people are already exploiting the rules in a disgusting way.
Who is the genius who has designed this stuff?

Update to latest wallet version v2.6.0
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December 14, 2018, 02:35:11 AM
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The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

It doesn't really matter if that is technically cheating or not, morally it is and given the fact that such exploits are possible the team should immediately address this issue and avoid such exploits being possible or postpone the lottery and change the rules so as to guarantee it to be fair. Or else just lose another piece of community, which I suspect is NOT the purpose of this initiative.

All the address that I checked via https://byteball.co/ and https://explorer.byteball.org/ show that these are unique attestations (user_id is a hash of firstname, lastname, birthday, country). So it is not 100% sure if it's 1 person, it could also be group of people who have made it their goal to have as many attested addresses taking part of the draw.

What is funny for me is that when it would have happen with anonymous addresses then we couldn't even see that something is out of place, but thanks to real-name-attestation, we can see from explorer that these are all different people, but funded with 10GB by same person. Hopefully, if they win (would be epic if they don't), they also spread the winning amounts to all the people who participated in it by signing up with their attested wallet. If they don't, then it's more clear if it was one person with lot of stolen identities. But then again, maybe this one person keeps the bytes while rewarding the participants with fiat currency, we can't really tell.
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December 14, 2018, 03:37:32 AM
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@tonych * Real-name attested addresses get 1 point per GB of balance up to 10 GB and additionally 0.1 point for each GB above that.

Please, this rule is just perfect for fraud. Here for instance you can see someone using 36 times in a row the "Real-name attest" for approving his in 10 GB chunks splitted Byteballs, to get the full 1 point for every of his 360 GB. He was not even bothering changing the Referral-code. I am sure there is even a lot more people exploiting this "Real-name attestation", it shouldnt be that difficult to get 36 ID copies or people sitting infront of the Screen to get it.

You should remove these extra Points for Real-name attestation to prevent such kind of fraud.


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BOX2SYHUCNCSKYAW2U5U5JMUVUGNRUD6    10    10    1    zuxhu3neub    0
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nice research.

i really like the idea 'giving byteball to byteball holder' and this idea now is nice too.
i tried real name attestation a few month ago, 2 times, but it failt. today i tried it again and now i get it done.
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December 14, 2018, 04:41:16 AM
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All the address that I checked via https://byteball.co/ and https://explorer.byteball.org/ show that these are unique attestations
How i can check the hash of attestation in explorer.byteball.org?
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December 14, 2018, 04:49:18 AM
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All the address that I checked via https://byteball.co/ and https://explorer.byteball.org/ show that these are unique attestations
How i can check the hash of attestation in explorer.byteball.org?

It's easier to find the attestations with https://byteball.co/ because it shows every attestor who has attested that address (just go to each address profile page and click Attestations tab). Difficult to do that with https://explorer.byteball.org/ if you do not know the Unit ID that attested them, explorer.byteball.org is good for looking up what financial transactions this address has done, byteball.co doesn't show financial transactions.

You can't check what name is behind that hash without them sharing their private profile to your bot, but if the hash is unique then it means that different firstname/lastname/birthday/country was used to create that hash.
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December 14, 2018, 09:30:42 AM
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it's a good Project
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December 14, 2018, 09:46:55 AM
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The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

It doesn't really matter if that is technically cheating or not, morally it is and given the fact that such exploits are possible the team should immediately address this issue and avoid such exploits being possible or postpone the lottery and change the rules so as to guarantee it to be fair. Or else just lose another piece of community, which I suspect is NOT the purpose of this initiative.

All the address that I checked via https://byteball.co/ and https://explorer.byteball.org/ show that these are unique attestations (user_id is a hash of firstname, lastname, birthday, country). So it is not 100% sure if it's 1 person, it could also be group of people who have made it their goal to have as many attested addresses taking part of the draw.

What is funny for me is that when it would have happen with anonymous addresses then we couldn't even see that something is out of place, but thanks to real-name-attestation, we can see from explorer that these are all different people, but funded with 10GB by same person. Hopefully, if they win (would be epic if they don't), they also spread the winning amounts to all the people who participated in it by signing up with their attested wallet. If they don't, then it's more clear if it was one person with lot of stolen identities. But then again, maybe this one person keeps the bytes while rewarding the participants with fiat currency, we can't really tell.

This makes even more clear what's the game here: someone has likely just used the IDs of all family members, friends and neighbours first to carve out of the system some money with the referral for attestation process and now for winning the lottery. This has probably happened in some poor country where people would do anything to get some money going through an attestation process they will receive a few bucks for even though they possibly know nothing about crypto. My guess is that it is 99% sure it's 1 single person, who is in control of all those wallets associated to people who likely know nothing about crypto and who have been just used by him for the attestation. If the team goes along with this situation and ends up rewarding this scammer with hundreds of GB they will not gain any adoption to the network, trust me, on the contrary, people may just leave in disgust. Especially as the scam has been exposed BEFORE it actually gets rewarded and so if the team choses to nevertheless reward it would end up endorsing such a scammish behavior.

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December 14, 2018, 10:16:04 AM
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The adress is here https://explorer.byteball.org/#AZBEPSAXJ3Q2TIUV32UWFTZ3JUEA3SXG.
Now he have split 60 times, but he have complete more than 1.500 GB.
If he is finisch with all, the probability that he wins is 1 to 3,5 for him Lips sealed
I share some bytes with my friends for more chance to win, but this method is cheating!
Notice the counter of RNA https://byteball.co/attestors

EDIT: Sorry is no cheat, he follows the rules but found a loophole  Grin

Good research!

Well imo this is cheating, the "real-name attestation" rule should not be abused by 1 person to create over 100X "real-name attestations" to get a significant advantage on the lottery. Someone should really check the validity of his "real-name attestations" which is obviously fraud.

Anyway the "real-name attestation" rule is somehow designed to abuse it, should be deactivated as soon as possible and replaced by something else if needed.

These attestations are valid.  But looks like someone has a huge network of "friends" who are ready to sell their identities for a few bucks.  Every distribution method will be abused to some extent.

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