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October 30, 2018, 11:30:43 AM
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Tony should now be able to accelerate an Open Bazaar adaptation.

This could also be used to control further distribution.
All sales of Bites/Blackbites will be rewarded, both for the buyer and the seller.

If necessary modifications would be possible. Open Bazaar is not really decentralized. The problem are central search providers that can censor unwanted articles.
Randomly rotating witnesses routed over TOR could take over their task.

The topic is already months old, that it is not taken up by the community is probably mainly due to the fact that the community itself is more Fiat-focused and has little interest in bite ball as a means of payment for the purchase of goods to see.

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October 30, 2018, 05:26:02 PM
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[...] we must spread the word!!
Yes, as soon as you can buy something for it in a suitable market.
money that nobody accept is a money or scam? Why hold balls that can not be spent, if you can exchange them to bitcoins or dollars that you can spend?

Please don't see we must spread the word!! only from customer view.
What about with the local shops?
Spread the word includes more!

For example:
- Create for your local city flyers with jumio vouchers
- Share this flyer in kiosks, gas- station, schools wherever
- Speak with the owner of the shops for accept bytes in 2020
- The owner can only win with this and if he accept bytes he have new customers, too

~ This is maybe the some right way, not perfect, but a good start
an a Win-Win-Win situation for all for all involved. + you get rich  Cool

* before 2020 we need more exchanges for volume and a service like bitpay for bytes.

Tony should now be able to accelerate an Open Bazaar adaptation.
The concept of the open bazaar is very interesting, but it looks like a cemetery?
or i am wrong and the platform have trades?

Instead of always asking, use the lego stones of byteball and start!
tony is a smart people, but he need the help of community.

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October 30, 2018, 05:54:38 PM
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What about with the local shops?
Pure waste of time and energy.
They already have a problem with Bitcoin. Nobody knows bite ball at all, and then still this subliminally dubious label...

* before 2020 we need more exchanges for volume and a service like bitpay for bytes.
Above all, we need a quite anonymous way to exchange Fiat directly for Bites/Blackbites. A BISQ adapted to the wallet is perfectly sufficient. - More exchanges only serve speculators.
You may want to look for markets where crypto currencies are already accepted. These markets are growing exponentially.
The Fiat market has its Visa and Paypal.

Tony should now be able to accelerate an Open Bazaar adaptation.
The concept of the open bazaar is very interesting, but it looks like a cemetery?
or i am wrong and the platform have trades?
I draw my income from it.
However, there is still a lot to improve on this platform, and that's exactly what the united developer power should focus on, then it will finally be something with the acceptance of crypto currencies.
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October 30, 2018, 06:31:19 PM
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Please don't see we must spread the word!! only from customer view.
What about with the local shops?
Spread the word includes more!
Again sounds good but merchants happy with fiat and bitcoins. They don't want to waste time on shitcoins. I know i know byterbal is not shitcoin. Sorry for breaking your bubble but coin that nobody not use and can loss 99% of the value is nothing more than shitcoin for all who are not members of this sect. So accept it, byterbal is shitcoin and merchants don't want to waste time on this.
Byterbal foundation must build solutions itself or sponsor third-party solutions. Purse for byterbal? OB for byterbal? Localbyterbals? Tony and the team must build it all itself or connect to existing solutions (if it possible). No one will come and give you this, the days of early Bitcoin are long gone.
Take it mazafackers, byterbal is not interesting to the world, to the airdrop suckers. The only who can make byterbal great again is Tony. He need to change his thinking, stop to build crappy bots, dismiss idiots who spend time retweeting their tweets, start to build solutions, find partnerships, improve scalability and distribute all witnesses.
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October 30, 2018, 07:58:07 PM
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Tony should now be able to accelerate an Open Bazaar adaptation.
The concept of the open bazaar is very interesting, but it looks like a cemetery?
or i am wrong and the platform have trades?
I draw my income from it.
However, there is still a lot to improve on this platform, and that's exactly what the united developer power should focus on, then it will finally be something with the acceptance of crypto currencies.

Don't you see that you are highly biased about OpenBazaar and blackbytes with BISQ. Do you also see that you have 0 authority to tell what other developers should spend their time on?

Byterbal foundation must build solutions itself or sponsor third-party solutions. Purse for byterbal? OB for byterbal? Localbyterbals? Tony and the team must build it all itself or connect to existing solutions (if it possible). No one will come and give you this, the days of early Bitcoin are long gone.
Take it mazafackers, byterbal is not interesting to the world, to the airdrop suckers. The only who can make byterbal great again is Tony. He need to change his thinking, stop to build crappy bots, dismiss idiots who spend time retweeting their tweets, start to build solutions, find partnerships, improve scalability and distribute all witnesses.

Byteball foundation doesn't have time to build everything by themselves, so they focus on architecture to enable other developers to do that. Byteball does sponsor third-party solutions that help Byteball ecosystem. Haven't you heard of grants?
https://medium.com/byteball/byteball-grants-program-906a71b93d3c

It is over year old program and many grants have been accepted with that already, most already done and some in progress even now. So what exactly are you bitching about? Find some developers (get feedback to your ideas on Steemit) and start writing your grant proposal that you believe will take Byteball to next level.

These great early days are not gone (it is just beginning), Ethereum has supported many teams with grants, but I am not sure if all. Some examples of projects that are not run by Ethereum itself: MetaMask, Infura, CryptoZombies, Truffle, 0x, CryptoKitties. These are all very important parts of Ethereum ecosystem.

2018 is same as 2014 and 2021 will be same as 2017. Start building.
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October 30, 2018, 08:19:04 PM
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[...]  PoW mining is an economic activity.  You have capex, you have opex, almost all your profits are burned in your huge costs, and you have to care about efficiency in order to stay in the game.  And in any economic activity, you have economy of scale.  As your mining farm gets bigger, it becomes more efficient and stands better against the competition.  You get volume discounts for miners, you will be the first in line for the new generation of miners, you can get cheaper electricity when you buy wholesale, it becomes worthwhile to relocate to a more favorable location, and you can hire the best talent in the industry.  It doesn't matter if the PoW algorithm is ASICable or not, the economy of scale is universal.  It might be not very important in the growing market when everyone, even a smaller and weaker miner, gets a portion of the growing pie, but nothing lasts forever and as the market matures and gets more competitive, the weaker players are darwinized, and the hash power gets concentrated in the hands of a few bigger miners.  Miners, not mining pools.  This looks like an end-game of any PoW based blockchain, because it has a heavy "hook" into the economy, and the economy favors scale.  You can call it emergent centralization.  Incidentally, Byteball moves in the opposite direction.

This is totally true and it should be engraved in stone, since Bitcoin evangelists seem so much in denial of that.
And even worse than this, PoW mining has also resulted to be totally unsustainable from an ecological point of view. Not only the waste of resources which heavy mining implies is basically nonsense, but it even could contribute to jeopardize human life on earth by accelerating global warming until it eventually spins out of control.
And that's not only me who is saying it. Please enjoy this article on the theme on prestigious magazine Nature:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-018-0321-8.epdf

Byteball is much more likely than Bitcoin to spare human life on earth from extinction.
Not that this is necessarily auspicable, of course...

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October 30, 2018, 08:37:30 PM
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Hi!

What is going on with wallets? I tried to send transaction via wallet on Linux, Windows 10 (virtualbox) and Android -- same story:



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October 30, 2018, 09:07:13 PM
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This is totally true and it should be engraved in stone, since Bitcoin evangelists seem so much in denial of that.
And even worse than this, PoW mining has also resulted to be totally unsustainable from an ecological point of view. Not only the waste of resources which heavy mining implies is basically nonsense, but it even could contribute to jeopardize human life on earth by accelerating global warming until it eventually spins out of control.
And that's not only me who is saying it. Please enjoy this article on the theme on prestigious magazine Nature:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-018-0321-8.epdf

Byteball is much more likely than Bitcoin to spare human life on earth from extinction.
Not that this is necessarily auspicable, of course...
"to jeopardize human life on earth"  Shocked
MADE MY DAY Cheesy laughable Cheesy
nature.com has no idea and they don't no the lightning network ^^
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October 30, 2018, 09:20:05 PM
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This is totally true and it should be engraved in stone, since Bitcoin evangelists seem so much in denial of that.
And even worse than this, PoW mining has also resulted to be totally unsustainable from an ecological point of view. Not only the waste of resources which heavy mining implies is basically nonsense, but it even could contribute to jeopardize human life on earth by accelerating global warming until it eventually spins out of control.
And that's not only me who is saying it. Please enjoy this article on the theme on prestigious magazine Nature:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-018-0321-8.epdf

Byteball is much more likely than Bitcoin to spare human life on earth from extinction.
Not that this is necessarily auspicable, of course...
My dear bobq.
Earth historically we had the most abundant flora and fauna when the poles were ice-free. - Now you may guess what the climate apocalyptics and their propaganda are interested in.
Tip: Scarcity and lack secure dominion.

So we should be happy if the Bitcoin mining makes our ice age climate a bit more life friendly.  Roll Eyes
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October 30, 2018, 10:21:07 PM
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Please don't see we must spread the word!! only from customer view.
What about with the local shops?
Spread the word includes more!
Again sounds good but merchants happy with fiat and bitcoins. They don't want to waste time on shitcoins. I know i know byterbal is not shitcoin. Sorry for breaking your bubble but coin that nobody not use and can loss 99% of the value is nothing more than shitcoin for all who are not members of this sect. So accept it, byterbal is shitcoin and merchants don't want to waste time on this.
Byterbal foundation must build solutions itself or sponsor third-party solutions. Purse for byterbal? OB for byterbal? Localbyterbals? Tony and the team must build it all itself or connect to existing solutions (if it possible). No one will come and give you this, the days of early Bitcoin are long gone.
Take it mazafackers, byterbal is not interesting to the world, to the airdrop suckers. The only who can make byterbal great again is Tony. He need to change his thinking, stop to build crappy bots, dismiss idiots who spend time retweeting their tweets, start to build solutions, find partnerships, improve scalability and distribute all witnesses.
I've been hoping for this for months. But as a developer, he probably lives in his own world, and his mindless community, along with his incompetent marketing, also cheers him on in it. - The term "sect" is exactly right.
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October 30, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
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Please don't see we must spread the word!! only from customer view.
What about with the local shops?
Spread the word includes more!
Again sounds good but merchants happy with fiat and bitcoins. They don't want to waste time on shitcoins. I know i know byterbal is not shitcoin. Sorry for breaking your bubble but coin that nobody not use and can loss 99% of the value is nothing more than shitcoin for all who are not members of this sect. So accept it, byterbal is shitcoin and merchants don't want to waste time on this.
Byterbal foundation must build solutions itself or sponsor third-party solutions. Purse for byterbal? OB for byterbal? Localbyterbals? Tony and the team must build it all itself or connect to existing solutions (if it possible). No one will come and give you this, the days of early Bitcoin are long gone.
Take it mazafackers, byterbal is not interesting to the world, to the airdrop suckers. The only who can make byterbal great again is Tony. He need to change his thinking, stop to build crappy bots, dismiss idiots who spend time retweeting their tweets, start to build solutions, find partnerships, improve scalability and distribute all witnesses.
I've been hoping for this for months. But as a developer, he probably lives in his own world, and his mindless community, along with his incompetent marketing, also cheers him on in it. - The term "sect" is exactly right.

And how do you call that fantasy world where everybody gets wet by mentioning privacy coin, OpenBazaar or BISQ? Parents basement?
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October 30, 2018, 10:46:45 PM
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I've been hoping for this for months. But as a developer, he probably lives in his own world, and his mindless community, along with his incompetent marketing, also cheers him on in it. - The term "sect" is exactly right.
when he realizes your suggestions,
then you join the "sect" ?  Roll Eyes
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October 30, 2018, 11:38:32 PM
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Having active and dedicated trolls is usually a good sign for the project (see Dash).
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October 31, 2018, 02:37:16 AM
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Having active and dedicated trolls is usually a good sign for the project (see Dash).

No need to look at Dash, Thul created account on 11th October when Bitcoin, Byteball and other cryptocurrencies dropped a lot. Byteball price has only grown after that drop. Tongue
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October 31, 2018, 02:46:52 AM
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Having active and dedicated trolls is usually a good sign for the project (see Dash).

No need to look at Dash, Thul created account on 11th October when Bitcoin, Byteball and other cryptocurrencies dropped a lot. Byteball price has only grown after that drop. Tongue

I mean Dash in 2015-2016. Forgot there are many newer people in this space who won't get this.
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October 31, 2018, 03:03:13 AM
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Having active and dedicated trolls is usually a good sign for the project (see Dash).

No need to look at Dash, Thul created account on 11th October when Bitcoin, Byteball and other cryptocurrencies dropped a lot. Byteball price has only grown after that drop. Tongue

I mean Dash in 2015-2016. Forgot there are many newer people in this space who won't get this.

Also, I created my account on 12 October, how can Thul or I prove that we are not 2 alter-egos of a same person without becoming non-anonymous? Maybe I created 2 opposing accounts just to add over 10 pages of conflicting chatter to Bitcointalk forum, just to prove the point that anonymous witnesses won't work? No way to tell without becoming non-anonymous that Thul is not me.
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October 31, 2018, 03:46:34 AM
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Having active and dedicated trolls is usually a good sign for the project (see Dash).

No need to look at Dash, Thul created account on 11th October when Bitcoin, Byteball and other cryptocurrencies dropped a lot. Byteball price has only grown after that drop. Tongue

I mean Dash in 2015-2016. Forgot there are many newer people in this space who won't get this.
the team continues its great efforts in trying hard making it successful. byteball has lots of breaking technical specifications, I don't understand why all focus on the price.
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October 31, 2018, 06:11:24 AM
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the team continues its great efforts in trying hard making it successful. byteball has lots of breaking technical specifications, I don't understand why all focus on the price.

The price is calculated in Fiat, and that's all they care about. Accordingly, the technical specifications of the project are also extrapolated to a possible profit in Fiat.

As means of payment bite ball is completely uninteresting for the current recognition-resistant community... unfortunately also obviously for the developer.
Of course the success (circulation and acceptance) will be a long time coming.
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October 31, 2018, 06:37:30 AM
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I've been hoping for this for months. But as a developer, he probably lives in his own world, and his mindless community, along with his incompetent marketing, also cheers him on in it. - The term "sect" is exactly right.
when he realizes your suggestions,
then you join the "sect" ?  Roll Eyes
I'm probably one of them already.
However, I still kept my mind so I can see where the bottlenecks are.
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October 31, 2018, 10:05:55 AM
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Hi!

What is going on with wallets? I tried to send transaction via wallet on Linux, Windows 10 (virtualbox) and Android -- same story:
SOLVED. Thanks for the help in Byteball Slack.

Hub must be indicated -- byteball.org/bb

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