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October 07, 2013, 03:16:02 PM
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what about .93? or it is just .92 with fixed reboot after upgrade feature?.)


impossible to say since there's no detailed changelog, nor source code.


yeah, it is also little tricky releasing firmware updates without any changelog...Sad
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October 07, 2013, 03:17:16 PM
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Damn, I went with KNCMiner's recommendation of an 850W power supply. Will this be okay? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139022

maybe, but it is really minimum..why you are trying to save 100$ for device, which cost you thousands of dollars? just curious..
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October 07, 2013, 03:21:23 PM
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Damn, I went with KNCMiner's recommendation of an 850W power supply. Will this be okay? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139022

maybe, but it is really minimum..why you are trying to save 100$ for device, which cost you thousands of dollars? just curious..

I wasn't. I just went with their recommendation. I would have spent more money if I thought it was needed. Thoughts on this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139034

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October 07, 2013, 03:21:56 PM
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Damn, I went with KNCMiner's recommendation of an 850W power supply. Will this be okay? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139022

maybe, but it is really minimum..why you are trying to save 100$ for device, which cost you thousands of dollars? just curious..

I wasn't. I just went with their recommendation. I would have spent more money if I thought it was needed. Thoughts on this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139057

yeah, imho great pick.
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October 07, 2013, 03:23:26 PM
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Hi,

I ordered 2 Saturns. One with shipping to Germany, one with hosting at KnC. Both orders were confirmed as DAY1 (whatever interpretation this
should mean, DAY1 of production, DAY1 of shipping).
She shipped Saturn did arrive today (08.10.2013) before 10am with FW 0.91.
It had been pre-configured with my (Bitminter) mining pool informations. That's fair!

Hashing speed had been around 270GH at about 270W (230V installation).

I left the system unattended for like 3 hours and the hashing rate did drop to 90GH. I did not check the power usage at that state.

Upgraded the system to FW 0.93. Since then it's running with 250-290GH (cgminer) and 260-275GH (Bitminter short term stats).
Latest long term stats from Bitminter: 256/263GH
Power usage: 270W (same as before)

The web interface does not allow a configuration for a backup pool.
SSH access, getting into cgminer (3.4.0) allow configuration of a backup pool.
After doing this, the web interface does not work for the pool config anymore. Empty page.

Looks like the pool config did survive a software (firmwae) update. Passwords did not!

Still no update on the hosting Saturn. (Menig might be able to look into the future)

So my "rating" of KnC (+++ to ---)

Hardware design/production: +++
Delivery deadlines: ++
Webinterface (Miner): o (Backup pools are required!)
Hosting: --
Communication about problems (hosting): --- (They should have told the customers more early about problems)
Offered compensation for hosting (BTC, not extended hosting): +

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October 07, 2013, 03:23:57 PM
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I wasn't. I just went with their recommendation. I would have spent more money if I thought it was needed. Thoughts on this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139034

anything Corsair is good.
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October 07, 2013, 03:27:03 PM
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Damn, I went with KNCMiner's recommendation of an 850W power supply. Will this be okay? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139022

maybe, but it is really minimum..why you are trying to save 100$ for device, which cost you thousands of dollars? just curious..

I wasn't. I just went with their recommendation. I would have spent more money if I thought it was needed. Thoughts on this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139034

It's fine. Maybe your PSU will die, but you can just get another. It's not going to break your miner. 850W is more than enough.

I got this one for my Jupiter: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004P1IWZU/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
but I admit it's probably a little bit of overkill.
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October 07, 2013, 03:30:27 PM
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It's fine. Maybe your PSU will die, but you can just get another. It's not going to break your miner. 850W is more than enough.

I got this one for my Jupiter: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004P1IWZU/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
but I admit it's probably a little bit of overkill.

Why would his PSU "die" when yours wouldn't? I have a PSU in every company, and that qualifies me as the expert. You cannot just say something will die maybe unless you have proof. Again, I have every PSU ever made.
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October 07, 2013, 03:33:27 PM
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Anyone got tracking numbers today?
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October 07, 2013, 03:34:48 PM
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Anyone got tracking numbers today?

https://www.kncminer.com/news

Check that url regularly. There is an update listing in the newsletter of Oct 5. It says that tracking numbers go out at 14:30 pm CET time if you are lucky.
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October 07, 2013, 03:37:33 PM
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using .92/.93 lead to very frequent cgminer restart. something like a restart every 30-50secs.

I can corfirm the restarts but not the interval at my Saturn running 0.93.
It looks like mine restarts (cgminer) 1-2x per hour.
This is really annoying, as the system seems to startup at slow hashing rate (80GH ?) and takes
some minutes to get up to full speed.

Anyone have a hint where to find the logfiles on their Unix?

Anyone tried to setup ssh public-key authentication by creating a /etc/dropbear/authorized_keys (chmod 600)?
It's not working for me.

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October 07, 2013, 03:39:35 PM
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Here, have a bone.
This request is neither unrealistic nor is it in any way unheard of. Even If it's not 50% (but depending on the delay it should be!) but 25%, it is still common practice to do so. It is basically the opposite of Skonto, where you pay less if you pay within a given timeframe.
As long as both sides are okay with it everybody wins. And right now I don't feel happy at all with standardised answers from some fresh hired goons instead of an answer that satisfies me as a maybe non-returning customer.
 

what I am saying is that we all knew that KNC wished well, but could not predict future in such short turnaround time.

yes, they should of hired a few folks more that knew logistics, packing and shipping.   yes, they should of started building the hosting center earlier

but it is sad that a nice company like KNC will turn into rude assholes like BFL and Avalon just by crazy demands like yours over and over.

be realistic to the actual situation, and not your utopian miner company that does not exist anywhere on earth... ok?


Man you are getting on my nerves. I tried to explain it to you before but you just don't want to get it.
Those are in no way "crazy demands". They are economically correct in every way.
I do not want a refund on my orders, neither do I want btc or money from them now. So basically I do not want to touch any money they have made until now or will mine themselves in the future.
But you just don't seem to get it. So here it is in numbers for you:
What I lost since my order was not shipped in September and is not until today: let's say 10,5 btc
What I paid them: 7k dollar    
What it cost them: (with R&D and production cost) for the Sept/Oct orders  I would estimate 2,5k$ max.
With November included: 1,8k$ max.
These are rough estimates and they depend strongly on the amount sold, I took the conservative approach with around 1000 Jupiter orders for Sept/Oct. IRL their cost would be more around 800-1000$ at most.
So when I say I want a voucher for every unit delivered late and we estimate the price of next gen to be around the same as november unit prices: 5k
they would still make 2,5k-1,8k = 700 Dollars profit of those units.
Please stop posting if you have no idea what you are talking about.

Edit: I am also not critizising their production in any way. They have enough people there imo. The problem was that everything that could have gone wrong went wrong. BUT that is no excuse for poor customer service.

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October 07, 2013, 03:43:13 PM
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#17XX here - "In Progress" as of this morning.
Payment date?
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October 07, 2013, 03:44:09 PM
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Man you are getting on my nerves. I tried to explain it to you before but you just don't want to get it.
Those are in no way "crazy demands". They are economically correct in every way.
I do not want a refund on my orders, neither do I want btc or money from them now. So basically I do not want to touch any money they have made until now or will mine themselves in the future.
But you just don't seem to get it. So here it is in numbers for you:
What I lost since my order was not shipped in September and is not until today: let's say 10,5 btc
What I paid them: 7k dollar    
What it cost them: (with R&D and production cost) for the Sept/Oct orders  I would estimate 2,5k$ max.
With November included: 1,8k$ max.
These are rough estimates and they depend strongly on the amount sold, I took the conservative approach with around 1000 Jupiter orders for Sept/Oct. IRL their cost would be more around 800-1000$ at most.
So when I say I want a voucher for every unit delivered late and we estimate the price of next gen to be around the same as november unit prices: 5k
they would still make 2,5k-1,8k = 700 Dollars profit of those units.
Please stop posting if you have no idea what you are talking about.

They basically said that they will start shipping on the last day of September. Every asic company says they ship on the last day of their stated month. Hashfast, Cointerra, Bitfury. They all ship on the last day of their stated month, which basically is the first few days of the next month. Hashfast says November 30th; Cointerra -- end of december. Bitfury's megabigpower -- oct 30th. Ask those companies. You are a bad customer. You won't get what you ask because I am a nicer person and you are not. I will get rewarded with a nice person award, and you get nothing. face facts.
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October 07, 2013, 03:44:28 PM
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using .92/.93 lead to very frequent cgminer restart. something like a restart every 30-50secs.

I can corfirm the restarts but not the interval at my Saturn running 0.93.
It looks like mine restarts (cgminer) 1-2x per hour.
This is really annoying, as the system seems to startup at slow hashing rate (80GH ?) and takes
some minutes to get up to full speed.

I can confirm it takes a while to reach full speed


Anyone have a hint where to find the logfiles on their Unix?


fwiw it should be an custom version of "The Ångström Distribution", but since is custom it's not telling us a lot

Anyone tried to setup ssh public-key authentication by creating a /etc/dropbear/authorized_keys (chmod 600)?
It's not working for me.

before you mention dropbear (a lightweight SSH2 server and client implementation) I don't even know it exists Tongue
thanks for that. I will look into it as soon as I get time.


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October 07, 2013, 03:46:30 PM
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#17XX here - "In Progress" as of this morning.
Payment date?

Ordered 6/9 - Paid 6/13
Thx
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October 07, 2013, 03:48:16 PM
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Man you are getting on my nerves. I tried to explain it to you before but you just don't want to get it.
Those are in no way "crazy demands". They are economically correct in every way.
I do not want a refund on my orders, neither do I want btc or money from them now. So basically I do not want to touch any money they have made until now or will mine themselves in the future.
But you just don't seem to get it. So here it is in numbers for you:
What I lost since my order was not shipped in September and is not until today: let's say 10,5 btc
What I paid them: 7k dollar    
What it cost them: (with R&D and production cost) for the Sept/Oct orders  I would estimate 2,5k$ max.
With November included: 1,8k$ max.
These are rough estimates and they depend strongly on the amount sold, I took the conservative approach with around 1000 Jupiter orders for Sept/Oct. IRL their cost would be more around 800-1000$ at most.
So when I say I want a voucher for every unit delivered late and we estimate the price of next gen to be around the same as november unit prices: 5k
they would still make 2,5k-1,8k = 700 Dollars profit of those units.
Please stop posting if you have no idea what you are talking about.

They basically said that they will start shipping on the last day of September. Every asic company says they ship on the last day of their stated month. Hashfast, Cointerra, Bitfury. They all ship on the last day of their stated month, which basically is the first few days of the next month. You are a bad customer. You won't get what you ask because I am a nicer person and you are not. face facts.

Bah!
Just shut up and read the last posts before you spout such bullshit. Also, those are not the facts, are they? They did not ship in September, they stated in front of witnesses that you would have your september order in hand in September and I am in Germany, that is a 1 day delivery.

But hey, why argue with facts when you can just spout bs all over the place?

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October 07, 2013, 04:05:52 PM
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using .92/.93 lead to very frequent cgminer restart. something like a restart every 30-50secs.

I can corfirm the restarts but not the interval at my Saturn running 0.93.
It looks like mine restarts (cgminer) 1-2x per hour.
This is really annoying, as the system seems to startup at slow hashing rate (80GH ?) and takes
some minutes to get up to full speed.

Anyone have a hint where to find the logfiles on their Unix?

Anyone tried to setup ssh public-key authentication by creating a /etc/dropbear/authorized_keys (chmod 600)?
It's not working for me.

Ralf / trepex

Maybe '/etc/dropbear' is the wrong location.
Have a look at /etc/init.d/dropbear, there you can find the ssh config in the form of arguments. (at least it's the default location)

What about '~/.ssh/authorized_keys' ?
btw: chmod 600 for user root or for the user running cgminer ?

If they have not removed key-login from the source, it should work if configured correctly:
https://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html
"Compatible with OpenSSH ~/.ssh/authorized_keys public key authentication"

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October 07, 2013, 04:06:37 PM
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why you want to use cheap PSU with device, which cost thousands of dollars and any failure of PSU cost more, then PSU itself?

ok tell me good psu

Seasonic or Corsair, gold or platinum

For mercury, saturn, or jupiter?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139044

Trust my recommended psu rather than that other guys.

mine gets a 9.6 on techowerup review and his gets a 9.1
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/AX860/11.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/LEPA/G1600-MA/9.html



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October 07, 2013, 04:11:43 PM
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why you want to use cheap PSU with device, which cost thousands of dollars and any failure of PSU cost more, then PSU itself?

ok tell me good psu

Seasonic or Corsair, gold or platinum

For mercury, saturn, or jupiter?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139044

Trust my recommended psu rather than that other guys.

mine gets a 9.6 on techowerup review and his gets a 9.1
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/AX860/11.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/LEPA/G1600-MA/9.html



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