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October 10, 2013, 08:15:48 AM
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I'd love if O'rama could inform us about KnC's position regarding ckolivas working on cgminer implementation, and about ETA for source code release.

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October 10, 2013, 08:24:02 AM
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is there a more extreme heat sink arrangement to improve your miner chip heat or is the arctic one that knc has is best in class?



thinking with the temp check in .94 that maybe if you saw one of the chips was really hot you could swap it out with something more
extreme then the arctic i30 heatsink provided


but alas I know nothing about this not even if it makes sense with these devices

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October 10, 2013, 08:27:45 AM
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also as a side note ..i'd just get a cheap wireless router and do it that way..myself charter has wireless on their cable modem was easier just to get a dlink  wireless router and go that route some...charter was a pain to set the wireless from their cable modem box

again just saying ...told charter to just d/c the wireless option from the cable modem and just used my box much easier with the install cd etc

not sure if it applies but just a thought (they still charge me $10 a month for the wireless by the by ) so be it for 19.95 for a netlink wireless router 915 version I think it was well worth not having the hassle of calling them and doing ip stuff thru them

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October 10, 2013, 08:32:36 AM
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also as a side note ..i'd just get a cheap wireless router and do it that way..myself charter has wireless on their cable modem was easier just to get a dlink  wireless router and go that route some...charter was a pain to set the wireless from their cable modem box

again just saying ...told charter to just d/c the wireless option from the cable modem and just used my box much easier with the install cd etc

not sure if it applies but just a thought (they still charge me $10 a month for the wireless by the by ) so be it for 19.95 for a netlink wireless router 915 version I think it was well worth not having the hassle of calling them and doing ip stuff thru them

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Be careful with such an advice. You need to know a little bit about networking etc. or you might fail.
Just be sure to know:

What installation do you have now?
Specially with (TV) cable Internet access you might be in trouble:

Do you really have a cable MODEM or do you have a cable ROUTER?
You need access informations (like username/password) and many cable providers do not hand out these.
Even when you just have a cable MODEM, you must buy a WiFi router that works with this modem.


have a static ip but also did this when I had dyn ip


Same is true for *DSL.

have a cablevision box modem  has a 3 way splitter before going to the modem box ..one to tv as well ...

anyway the modem had built in wireless from charter wireless...just d/c the wireless from charter and simply put my own wireless router up think it is a 915 version etc

works fine...the wireless modem version I had provided with charter they as you say would not tell me anything

so screw it just put my own wireless router up and as fire as wired connections also goes thru that as well

works fine password protected all that


and don't really use the static ip address just the default...unsure why I have such prob cause it is like only $15 bucks more should put up a www page etc again

anywhoo.....just saying got tired of calling charter when they had issues and such

been that way for about 9 months now ..mostly I do stuff with computers using the hard wired on my home network also

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October 10, 2013, 08:35:17 AM
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Hi all,

just a quick quest to every one who already have a miner at hand.

I've noticed quite high system load (see uptime(1) output):

Code:
root@XXXXXXX:~# uptime
 07:35:10 up 16:06,  load average: 1.92, 1.93, 1.94

looking at top(1) output is clear that the load is not due to some
cpu hogs hidden somewhere. the process that use more cpu is cgminer
with rate varying from 4% to 12%

Then I think that the hi-load is due to processes spending time waiting for some kind of
I/O. After a bit of searching I think I found the culprit:

Code:
PID USER       VSZ STAT COMMAND
  58 root         0 DW   [spi1]

this process spent a lot of his time in D/DW states. from ps(1) man pages:

D    uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)
W    paging (not valid since the 2.6.xx kernel)

Does this description apply to your miners too ?

Checked my 3 Jupiters PID 58 (spi1) sits pretty constant at 1%, cgminer sits solid on 15%
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October 10, 2013, 08:36:56 AM
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Hi all,

just a quick quest to every one who already have a miner at hand.

I've noticed quite high system load (see uptime(1) output):

Code:
root@XXXXXXX:~# uptime
 07:35:10 up 16:06,  load average: 1.92, 1.93, 1.94

looking at top(1) output is clear that the load is not due to some
cpu hogs hidden somewhere. the process that use more cpu is cgminer
with rate varying from 4% to 12%

Then I think that the hi-load is due to processes spending time waiting for some kind of
I/O. After a bit of searching I think I found the culprit:

Code:
PID USER       VSZ STAT COMMAND
  58 root         0 DW   [spi1]

this process spent a lot of his time in D/DW states. from ps(1) man pages:

D    uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)
W    paging (not valid since the 2.6.xx kernel)

Does this description apply to your miners too ?

Checked my 3 Jupiters PID 58 (spi1) sits pretty constant at 1%, cgminer sits solid on 15%

uptime ?
ps | grep  spi ?


edit: I'm asking for the above output command because having a such high system load (~1.9) on a box with only one cpu means that your system is overloaded almost by a factor of 2.
        uptime show sys avg load  average for the past 1, 5, and 15 minute in regard to both the CPU and IO.


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October 10, 2013, 08:50:05 AM
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what diff to put at jupiter worker 512 or 625???
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October 10, 2013, 08:50:51 AM
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uptime ?
ps | grep  spi ?

Saturn @ 0.93

root@Saturn-C78:~# uptime
 08:47:04 up 2 days, 20:58,  load average: 1.87, 1.89, 1.92
root@Saturn-C78:~# ps | grep spi | grep -v grep
   58 root         0 DW   [spi1]
   61 root         0 SW   [spi2]
root@Saturn-C78:~# top -n 1

Mem: 32484K used, 478088K free, 0K shrd, 152K buff, 21580K cached
CPU:   9% usr   9% sys   0% nic  81% idle   0% io   0% irq   0% sirq
Load average: 1.99 1.94 1.95 1/67 18226
  PID  PPID USER     STAT   VSZ %VSZ %CPU COMMAND
17824 17822 root     S    89648  18%  18% /usr/bin/cgminer --default-config /config/cgminer.conf
  381     1 root     S     3272   1%   0% /usr/bin/ntpd -p /var/run/ntp.pid -g
  396     1 root     S     2980   1%   0% /usr/sbin/lighttpd -f /etc/lighttpd.conf
17952   378 root     S     2732   1%   0% /usr/sbin/dropbear -r /config/dropbear_rsa_host_key -p 22
  389     1 avahi    S     2728   1%   0% avahi-daemon: running [Saturn-C78.local]
  390   389 avahi    S     2728   1%   0% avahi-daemon: chroot helper
17822     1 root     S     2616   1%   0% {screen} SCREEN -S cgminer -t cgminer -m -d /usr/bin/cgmine
17953 17952 root     S     2328   0%   0% -sh
  378     1 root     S     2272   0%   0% /usr/sbin/dropbear -r /config/dropbear_rsa_host_key -p 22
 1749     1 root     S     2148   0%   0% {monitordcdc} /bin/sh /sbin/monitordcdc
  359     1 root     S     2148   0%   0% udhcpc -b -x hostname Saturn-C78 eth0
18226 17953 root     R     2148   0%   0% top -n 1
18223  1749 root     S     2016   0%   0% sleep 60
 1747     1 root     S     1908   0%   0% /sbin/getty 115200 ttyO0
 1748     1 root     S     1908   0%   0% /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
    1     0 root     S     1652   0%   0% init [5]
 1734     1 root     S     1496   0%   0% /usr/bin/monitor-pwbtn /usr/bin/factory_config_reset.sh
   58     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [spi1]
   15     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [kworker/0:1]
   10     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [rcu_sched]
   36     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [irq/87-4802a000]
   11     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [watchdog/0]
    3     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [ksoftirqd/0]
   41     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [khungtaskd]
   21     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [kworker/u:1]
   16     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [bdi-default]
    2     0 root     SW       0   0%   0% [kthreadd]
    4     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [kworker/0:0]
    5     2 root     SW<      0   0%   0% [kworker/0:0H]
    7     2 root     SW<      0   0%   0% [kworker/u:0H]
    8     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [migration/0]
    9     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [rcu_bh]
   12     2 root     SW<      0   0%   0% [khelper]
   13     2 root     SW       0   0%   0% [kdevtmpfs]
root@Saturn-C78:~#

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October 10, 2013, 08:51:23 AM
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The point is that with lower temperatures, you get a much higher hashrate and less errors, i think. I think the temperature thing is the main thing that affects the hashrate.

My machine is just getting slower as each day passes, hw errors are getting worse, started off around 10% now up to 14%.  It's not a temperature issue



It's not a firmware issue in so much as flashing to previous versions where i'd got higher hashrates/lower hw errors aren't helping.

My best guess is that more cores are failing as time goes on.

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Hi all,

just a quick quest to every one who already have a miner at hand.

I've noticed quite high system load (see uptime(1) output):

Code:
root@XXXXXXX:~# uptime
 07:35:10 up 16:06,  load average: 1.92, 1.93, 1.94

looking at top(1) output is clear that the load is not due to some
cpu hogs hidden somewhere. the process that use more cpu is cgminer
with rate varying from 4% to 12%

Then I think that the hi-load is due to processes spending time waiting for some kind of
I/O. After a bit of searching I think I found the culprit:

Code:
PID USER       VSZ STAT COMMAND
  58 root         0 DW   [spi1]

this process spent a lot of his time in D/DW states. from ps(1) man pages:

D    uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)
W    paging (not valid since the 2.6.xx kernel)

Does this description apply to your miners too ?

Checked my 3 Jupiters PID 58 (spi1) sits pretty constant at 1%, cgminer sits solid on 15%

uptime ?
ps | grep  spi ?


edit: I'm asking for the above output command because having a such high system load (~1.9) on a box with only one cpu means that your system is overloaded almost by a factor of 2.
        uptime show sys avg load  average for the past 1, 5, and 15 minute in regard to both the CPU and IO.



Code:
root@Jupiter-5A6:~# uptime
 08:49:44 up 21:08,  load average: 1.94, 1.91, 1.90

Code:
root@Jupiter-5A6:~# ps | grep spi
   58 root         0 DW   [spi1]
   61 root         0 SW   [spi2]
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The point is that with lower temperatures, you get a much higher hashrate and less errors, i think. I think the temperature thing is the main thing that affects the hashrate.

My machine is just getting slower as each day passes, hw errors are getting worse, started off around 10% now up to 14%.  It's not a temperature issue



It's not a firmware issue in so much as flashing to previous versions where i'd got higher hashrates/lower hw errors aren't helping.

My best guess is that more cores are failing as time goes on.

Please don't give up like that. You lose hope, then we all lose hope. What happens when you do a hard reset, and what hash rates did you get before and are getting now? Maybe there is high temperature on other components or something that ram heatsinks can fix. Maybe you should open your case. maybe you should disconnect the cables then reconnect them, while the machine is off and no metal is on your fingers.
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uptime ?
ps | grep  spi ?

Saturn @ 0.93

root@Saturn-C78:~# uptime
 08:47:04 up 2 days, 20:58,  load average: 1.87, 1.89, 1.92
root@Saturn-C78:~# ps | grep spi | grep -v grep
   58 root         0 DW   [spi1]
   61 root         0 SW   [spi2]

(removed top output)


so it seems it is a common scenario, and maybe it's normal and nothing is wrong.
but I can't be helped cause every time I see high load my gut feeling is that thre's something wrong going on.

it's a real pity there's no source code somewhere, just for audit purpose.

anyhow my theory (pure speculation) based on the high IO time (spi procces state = uninterruptible sleep) is that
communication with the ASIC core is not optimal. time will tell.

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Code:
root@Jupiter-5A6:~# uptime
 08:49:44 up 21:08,  load average: 1.94, 1.91, 1.90

Code:
root@Jupiter-5A6:~# ps | grep spi
   58 root         0 DW   [spi1]
   61 root         0 SW   [spi2]

thanks!

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in fact we had 4 fires/burnt caps so far

2 x 0.92
1 x 0.93
1 x 0.94 (this one today at the datacenter of anotherhosting.se)

Sounds like I'm installing 0.91

If it has happened on 3 different firmware versions, the most likely conclusion is that it has nothing to do with the firmware, and is simply a hardware issue, either bad design or bad build.

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Ok so finally my order is shipped 8xx day 2 payment, and it will take only 11 days to arrive ..i am so royally, majorly and monumentally screwed .....
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in fact we had 4 fires/burnt caps so far

2 x 0.92
1 x 0.93
1 x 0.94 (this one today at the datacenter of anotherhosting.se)

Sounds like I'm installing 0.91

If it has happened on 3 different firmware versions, the most likely conclusion is that it has nothing to do with the firmware, and is simply a hardware issue, either bad design or bad build.


again is there a more extreme cooling options ie off the slelf better then the arctic i30 cooler KNC provides.....just saying if I had a really weak unit out of say 3 boards..might be worth doing (rather then send it back rma) but then again maybe nothing much exists off the shelf for this?

(me my plan is my Minnesota basement this winter..heh)

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October 10, 2013, 09:13:11 AM
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Please don't give up like that. You lose hope, then we all lose hope. What happens when you do a hard reset, and what hash rates did you get before and are getting now?

I'm not giving up and I'm still happy. It was delivered on time and is still quicker than what I paid for, just to trying to figure out what's happening.

Don't have the exact numbers

0.90 @ 500GH
didn't notice hardware errors on this one, wasn't running long before 0.91 came out

0.91 - 0.93 were all similar, I noticed an increase in hashrate to around 530, hw errors were around 10%

0.94 saw a dramatic drop in hashrate to 500, after 12+ hours it had settled back to 525 but the errors went up to 14% and reported speeds at the pool were significantly lower.

I've then tried going back to 0.91 and 0.93 but the error rate remains high.

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October 10, 2013, 09:18:30 AM
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Ok so finally my order is shipped 8xx day 2 payment, and it will take only 11 days to arrive ..i am so royally, majorly and monumentally screwed .....



yeah you and me both I'm a 304x and 520x orders....so I guess it is time to put on my "denial" tin foil hat ..and convince myself it is a "hobby" (hey sports cars are hobbies right....cooler hobbies but the equip sits outside and rusts...with this asic stuff I can look at it everyday as doorstops ..at least the BFL stuff....actually re-read that better to hide in the attic.


so find the next "hot" sha256 coin and point your stuff at it now and hope for "pump and dump" when everyone else does the same rather then turn their asic miners off...(I assume they at that point will also play the "denial" game with tin foil hat accessory)

heck there is no way I'm gonna get my 65gh from BFL according to their timeline till at least the first week of novemeber .....ALT SHA256 coins here I come...or alternate is door stops..

(man I really really hate these "LIFE" lessons....should just plan on having a "hut" 'food' and do recreation 'tanning' for hobbies...much more tranquil ...)

I STILL plan on sending one of my BFL units to the bronze baby shoe place and put it on my mantle...much like bombing of pearl harbor..."never again".

(it is hard finding out at my late age i'm a gasp "optimist" or why else would I have jumped on this bandwagon?)

Searing


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October 10, 2013, 09:22:21 AM
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Just wondering why your tagline has 400gh monarch? the www page at bfl still shows 600gh am I missing something

(Yeah ...I jumped at the upgrade....had to or i'd have more doorstops at this time .....and that 60gh still an't moving much I upgraded)

no fool like an old fool

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October 10, 2013, 09:24:09 AM
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Ok so finally my order is shipped 8xx day 2 payment, and it will take only 11 days to arrive ..i am so royally, majorly and monumentally screwed .....



yeah you and me both I'm a 304x and 520x orders....so I guess it is time to put on my "denial" tin foil hat ..and convince myself it is a "hobby" (hey sports cars are hobbies right....cooler hobbies but the equip sits outside and rusts...with this asic stuff I can look at it everyday as doorstops ..at least the BFL stuff....actually re-read that better to hide in the attic.


so find the next "hot" sha256 coin and point your stuff at it now and hope for "pump and dump" when everyone else does the same rather then turn their asic miners off...(I assume they at that point will also play the "denial" game with tin foil hat accessory)

heck there is no way I'm gonna get my 65gh from BFL according to their timeline till at least the first week of novemeber .....ALT SHA256 coins here I come...or alternate is door stops..

(man I really really hate these "LIFE" lessons....should just plan on having a "hut" 'food' and do recreation 'tanning' for hobbies...much more tranquil ...)

I STILL plan on sending one of my BFL units to the bronze baby shoe place and put it on my mantle...much like bombing of pearl harbor..."never again".

(it is hard finding out at my late age i'm a gasp "optimist" or why else would I have jumped on this bandwagon?)

Searing



You more or less took the words out of my mouth old chap.....i would be amazed even if i get my investment back ..let alone profit....that will be my hard earned money spend/blood shed for the BTC community ....15 years from now i can say to people "you know i was one of the first to buy KNC miners" ...lol

on a secondary note i doubt we will be able mine alts on our kkncs...with all the bbqing going on i would be happy if i can just mine BTC.....

Madz
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