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June 13, 2014, 04:44:19 AM
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I am waiting to see what KNC and Bitmain do in the next month or so before I commit any more money to equipment.
The SP30 could well be still born ...

What mining equipment do you own right now?



RoadStress, you are the one who needs to answer my question. I'm not selling anything here.
Will you or will you not SP30 match KNC $/GH on the Neptune they ship and include a 100% refund guarantee ?

Don't rush into anything RoadStress, I'll check back later to see what you have to say

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June 13, 2014, 04:47:45 AM
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the sp30 price was $4495.00 incl shipping that ships in august

And RoadStress is trying to get $5K for September delivery ? What a tosser ...

August had 2 batches....spondoolies was imho trying to grab market share
thus the 4495 group buy offer with free shipping other discounts ....to again get
market share (which i think they did ) new kid on the block and all trying to show 'chops'

the 5K for september is the batch 1 offer...not sure of price on batch 2 for september offer

spondoolies is in house they farm stuff out 'continuously' as they can ..build as they go...thus the above batch arrangement
which seems to get the stuff out in the timeline they mention (so far) with little trouble

but as in my previous post

at 575 coin...just buy coin....elec and a/c etc at least for me at 15c kwh even at a low 40 diff increase a month in my case anyway

buying bitcoin right now vs equipment is dead even from my guesses/calcs

(hey again no slam we are all guessing here)

but timeline/vs $$$ invested in the equip is the issue...KNC at this time is over priced imho that may change..to 'salvage' the
Neptune to at least a break even situation...they need to get everyone's their equip in hand by July 15th (same  2 week rush
out like original 28mm equip last oct 2013)...with that done again imho it is a wash..neptune has advantage and sorta ok with the
somewhat 'dated' 3rd batch 3th offer later...so all would be good imho or as good as buying equip can be at this time vs buying
coin with the past refund at 450 a couple months back heh..but we are talking equip here...so they would salvage much imho

if people don't get equip (or equiv plan b hashing) till say middle of august well ouch...they took a 'credibility" hit big time esp
for repeat customers imho

anyway my view i know squat..i have a Titan (no refund) coming ..the above is my warped view

er as an added point if time is the key ...you can within 48 hours have from www.bitmain.com ship a 1 TH unit at $2261 USd so for $6783 usd that is like getting your Neptune in 1 week...so this link right now BEATS EVERYBODY imho

https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140429083756017VwGm90Xx06B5

things change quick

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edit: last point/link also had cost incorrect see above 6783 usd for 3th

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June 13, 2014, 04:48:56 AM
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For ego maybe but its not cost effective:

It cost maunfacturers $500-600 per TH now and thats only 1.5w/gh performance, KNC cant even buy at price because they dont manufacture the chips themselves.  Prob cost them  $1000 TH to build their machines.

Samsonn25, no bitcoin ASIC miner company manufactures their own chips. They all have similar design and foundry costs.


Companies in China can design and manufacture faster for themselves.  Such as bitmain and others.  Less r and d now because they improve what they can from previous gen. Not trying to be pioneers as time is too much of a risk factor.
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June 13, 2014, 04:53:50 AM
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the sp30 price was $4495.00 incl shipping that ships in august

And RoadStress is trying to get $5K for September delivery ? What a tosser ...

August had 2 batches....spondoolies was imho trying to grab market share (which i think they did ) new kid on the block

the 5K for september is the batch 1 number....not sure of price on batch 2 for september

spondoolies is in house they farm stuff out 'continuiously' as they can ..build as they go...thus the above batch arrangement
which seems to get the stuff out in the timeline they mention (so far) with little trouble

but as in my previous post

at 575 coin...just buy coin....elec and a/c etc at least for me at 15c kwh even at a low 40 diff increase a month

buying bitcoin right now vs equipment is dead even from my guesses

(hey again no slam we are all guessing here)

but timeline/vs $$$ invested in the equip is the issue...KNC at this time is over priced imho that may change..to 'salvage' the
Neptune to at least a break even situation...they need to get everyone's their equip in hand by July 15th (same  2 week rush
out like original 28mm equip last oct 2013)...with that done again imho it is a wash

if people don't get equip (or equiv plan b hashing) till say middle of august well ouch

anyway my view i know squat..i have a Titan (no refund) coming

Searing


The key ingredient here is to use people's pre order money to currently mine then resell the used equipment at market price and keep lowering as diff increases but they are mining them in meantime.  They can go as low as their cost to build the machine.  They get away with what they can.  No one wants to be a hero now with the difficulty rising and with buyers buying less equipment as they suspect the jig is up. Meaning they know the game is  up soon.  
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June 13, 2014, 04:58:08 AM
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I am waiting to see what KNC and Bitmain do in the next month or so before I commit any more money to equipment.
The SP30 could well be still born ...

What mining equipment do you own right now?



RoadStress, you are the one who needs to answer my question. I'm not selling anything here.
Will you or will you not SP30 match KNC $/GH on the Neptune they ship and include a 100% refund guarantee ?

Don't rush into anything RoadStress, I'll check back later to see what you have to say

~L)L~

I'm not selling anything either. I'm just supporting a good company with a good miner and also I'm trying to donate something to charities and to bitcoin software developers.

There is nothing to match.

What mining equipment do you own right now?

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June 13, 2014, 05:01:11 AM
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the sp30 price was $4495.00 incl shipping that ships in august

And RoadStress is trying to get $5K for September delivery ? What a tosser ...

er had this tag'd to another post but man people reply fast here

if you want equip now this is the best deal (me i'd still just get coin)

but you get the equiv of a Neptune in 1 week

anyway try to get this here before someone else replies and posts past me lol


see below

er as an added point if time is the key ...you can within 48 hours have from www.bitmain.com ship a 1 TH unit at $2261 USd so for $6783 usd that is like getting your Neptune in 1 week...so this link right now BEATS EVERYBODY imho

https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140429083756017VwGm90Xx06B5

things change quick

Searing

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June 13, 2014, 06:31:07 AM
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Are you math challenged? Neptune is 2.5$/GH while SP30 is 0.88$/GH.

So you *will* agree to match Neptune $/GH for $/GH ? If Neptune comes in at $.50/GH you'll offer the SP30 at $.50/GH or less for September delivery with a 100% refund guarantee ?

I miss Bitcoinorama! At least he made sense.
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June 13, 2014, 06:40:20 AM
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Lots of people on this topic say that KNC has more then 5% of the hashrate of the network.
According to this website https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/ Sweden has only 1.65% of the hashrate of the network.

I know it doesn't mean much, as they can have a VPN with a US IP for example.

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June 13, 2014, 06:44:37 AM
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Are you math challenged? Neptune is 2.5$/GH while SP30 is 0.88$/GH.

So you *will* agree to match Neptune $/GH for $/GH ? If Neptune comes in at $.50/GH you'll offer the SP30 at $.50/GH or less for September delivery with a 100% refund guarantee ?

I miss Bitcoinorama! At least he made sense.

He's been bound and gagged. If he can at least add up, he should post.

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June 13, 2014, 10:11:57 AM
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the sp30 price was $4495.00 incl shipping that ships in august

And RoadStress is trying to get $5K for September delivery ? What a tosser ...

but you get the equiv of a Neptune in 1 week

What do you mean the equiv of a Neptune?

Are the Neptune's shipping? Do we really know what the official hash rate of the batch 1 & 2's will be? NO!

So how can you even say that? Use some common sense and stop talking BS! Geez! lol

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June 13, 2014, 10:17:24 AM
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Lots of people on this topic say that KNC has more then 5% of the hashrate of the network.
According to this website https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/ Sweden has only 1.65% of the hashrate of the network.

I know it doesn't mean much, as they can have a VPN with a US IP for example.
http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/
KnCMiner solo at 6.14%.
Plus there are still some workers at Eligius
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1D5FhoiuLMJJ43BCMGidwvbKWfr71g1vH9
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June 13, 2014, 10:31:49 AM
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Are you math challenged? Neptune is 2.5$/GH while SP30 is 0.88$/GH.

So you *will* agree to match Neptune $/GH for $/GH ? If Neptune comes in at $.50/GH you'll offer the SP30 at $.50/GH or less for September delivery with a 100% refund guarantee ?

I miss Bitcoinorama! At least he made sense.

He's been bound and gagged. If he can at least add up, he should post.

well I heard he quit KNC and likely (he did code for a bit i think also) had to sign (this is imho) a NDA agreement...very likely
in that last thing KNC needed was a guy quitting KNC and coming back to bitcointalk and air'ing dirty laundry on KNC
(which I expect from the last 4 months is considerable)

again imho....but my bet is if you quit KNC you likely had a reason and would likely share it if you could..even if you did
leave the company and go to another employer on good terms with KNC....the fact he left and nothing has been heard
since makes at least me think he has been muzzled by a NDA
or just plain ass left KNC and kept the reasons for it to himself why to keep them on his resume

but from posts/pm's etc with bitcoinrama...I find it hard to believe we would not of heard 'why' he left KNC if he could
tell us ..from his past postings on bitcoin talk..unless he is covering his butt (prudently imho) for my above reasons

again above is speculation...but if I had to tip one way or another on a guess I'd tip in the direction above

again speculation on my part.....keep in mind I know zip (why I'm hanging out in forums with you guys)

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June 13, 2014, 10:47:35 AM
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the sp30 price was $4495.00 incl shipping that ships in august

And RoadStress is trying to get $5K for September delivery ? What a tosser ...

but you get the equiv of a Neptune in 1 week

What do you mean the equiv of a Neptune?

Are the Neptune's shipping? Do we really know what the official hash rate of the batch 1 & 2's will be? NO!

So how can you even say that? Use some common sense and stop talking BS! Geez! lol



if you are gonna quote me quote me (see bottom of post)

for $6783.00 usd NOW you can get from the link below SHIPPING IN 48 HRS  ... 3TH which means you would get these units
within the week

so...... as far as I know a Neptune min hash rate is 3TH .......first batch was $10,131.80 with shipping (I know I refunded one)

so do the frigging math!

you beat up spondoolies sp 30's for not shipping till Sept for 5k...I show you a way you can get 3TH in a week (no pre-order they ship in 48hrs stock in hand for 67% the price of a Neptune that has not shipped yet...now if Neptune shows up at 4TH ..you could get an extra 1Th unit for $9050 at 89% of the Neptune 3TH (they state as the floor TH wise on KNC's units) ..

er so I don't see the point ..you want stuff fast 4TH at 89% of what a Neptune 1st batch customer appreciation price (still not shipping) in 1 week...hey...that is the way to go equip wise

but again still better off just buying the coin

and by the by if you have trouble with the above math or equip or whatever that is IN HAND then you are just on here to try to stop folks from buying asic equip from other places shipping cause your panties are in a bunch due to Neptune profits are slipping away...tossing about FUD hoping in desperation something sticks

but again ...I got a Titan so what do I know...but 4TH now from www.bitmaintech.com 48hrs shipped for $9050 have not done the calc's but even if the 4 units use more elec the $1081.80 savings over waiting around for your Neptune *you do now that you CAN refund on them right?*....would more then cover such (at least in my neck of the woods) till End of Life on the units

so anyway you still should just refund an buy coins imho..you'd be better off ...if not the above get 4TH now...if not I respect your 'gamble' of maybe? KNC delivering more hash in 3rd batch (sept/oct) the other 3TH ..but with equip dump summer/fall I'm thinking that pig won't fly...

to each his own

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info below from my orig post that you did not bother to quote


the sp30 price was $4495.00 incl shipping that ships in august

And RoadStress is trying to get $5K for September delivery ? What a tosser ...
[/quote]

er had this tag'd to another post but man people reply fast here

if you want equip now this is the best deal (me i'd still just get coin)

but you get the equiv of a Neptune in 1 week

anyway try to get this here before someone else replies and posts past me lol


see below

er as an added point if time is the key ...you can within 48 hours have from www.bitmain.com ship a 1 TH unit at $2261 USd so for $6783 usd that is like getting your Neptune in 1 week...so this link right now BEATS EVERYBODY imho

https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140429083756017VwGm90Xx06B5

things change quick

Searing

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this fuckers or scammers calling whatever dont send refunds


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June 13, 2014, 10:59:47 AM
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this fuckers or scammers calling whatever dont send refunds



could be true I was trying ? to be optimistic in my above post on supposedly knc will refund on the first batch Neptune ( i got refunded)
got a Titan just before the honeymoon ended and KNC went off the rails (as usual my timing was bad)...sigh

but you could be right the ways of KNC are mysterious to me these days...seems a dumb way to get customers/keep customers

maybe the just don't care anymore and they are just gonna make chips for their PH farm(s) at this point onward after Titan
no more pesky timelines they have to post..just nice easy investor money to scam....on the farm(s)

actually the only thing that makes sense the obviously don't need customers the way they are acting imho

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June 13, 2014, 11:10:44 AM
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this fuckers or scammers calling whatever dont send refunds



could be true I was trying ? to be optimistic in my above post on supposedly knc will refund on the first batch Neptune ( i got refunded)
got a Titan just before the honeymoon ended and KNC went off the rails (as usual my timing was bad)...sigh

but you could be right the ways of KNC are mysterious to me these days...seems a dumb way to get customers/keep customers

maybe the just don't care anymore and they are just gonna make chips for their PH farm(s) at this point onward after Titan
no more pesky timelines they have to post..just nice easy investor money to scam....on the farm(s)

actually the only thing that makes sense the obviously don't need customers the way they are acting imho

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dunno, mate, i've said it before - that titty might just manage you some returns; depends how many of 'the few' you are one of, at the end of the day.
Then again, if they don't sell 'em all, they'll just mine with them, themselves as per, and that's gonna fuck you right up the shitter. As is their wont.  Undecided

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June 13, 2014, 11:37:51 AM
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this fuckers or scammers calling whatever dont send refunds



could be true I was trying ? to be optimistic in my above post on supposedly knc will refund on the first batch Neptune ( i got refunded)
got a Titan just before the honeymoon ended and KNC went off the rails (as usual my timing was bad)...sigh

but you could be right the ways of KNC are mysterious to me these days...seems a dumb way to get customers/keep customers

maybe the just don't care anymore and they are just gonna make chips for their PH farm(s) at this point onward after Titan
no more pesky timelines they have to post..just nice easy investor money to scam....on the farm(s)

actually the only thing that makes sense the obviously don't need customers the way they are acting imho

Searing


dunno, mate, i've said it before - that titty might just manage you some returns; depends how many of 'the few' you are one of, at the end of the day.
Then again, if they don't sell 'em all, they'll just mine with them, themselves as per, and that's gonna fuck you right up the shitter. As is their wont.  Undecided

yeah maybe ....my timing sucks..KNC's rep went to hell starting 1 wk after i got the Titan....jeez

but yeah I'm stuck with the Titan

as it is now it is pretty clear anyone with 5k or some such should just buy btc on the old (can it be old if btc born in 2009) the ''old' adage...anything UNDER 1k per bitcoin will seem like a 'deal' in 2 years....or the *we shall not mention crosses self* alternative of bust in 2 years

one or the other (at least my splat will be bigger then most if we all fall from 'orbit" neaha neaha)

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June 13, 2014, 11:47:22 AM
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this fuckers or scammers calling whatever dont send refunds



could be true I was trying ? to be optimistic in my above post on supposedly knc will refund on the first batch Neptune ( i got refunded)
got a Titan just before the honeymoon ended and KNC went off the rails (as usual my timing was bad)...sigh

but you could be right the ways of KNC are mysterious to me these days...seems a dumb way to get customers/keep customers

maybe the just don't care anymore and they are just gonna make chips for their PH farm(s) at this point onward after Titan
no more pesky timelines they have to post..just nice easy investor money to scam....on the farm(s)

actually the only thing that makes sense the obviously don't need customers the way they are acting imho

Searing


dunno, mate, i've said it before - that titty might just manage you some returns; depends how many of 'the few' you are one of, at the end of the day.
Then again, if they don't sell 'em all, they'll just mine with them, themselves as per, and that's gonna fuck you right up the shitter. As is their wont.  Undecided

yeah maybe ....my timing sucks..KNC's rep went to hell starting 1 wk after i got the Titan....jeez

but yeah I'm stuck with the Titan

as it is now it is pretty clear anyone with 5k or some such should just buy btc on the old (can it be old if btc born in 2009) the ''old' adage...anything UNDER 1k per bitcoin will seem like a 'deal' in 2 years....or the *we shall not mention crosses self* alternative of bust in 2 years

one or the other (at least my splat will be bigger then most if we all fall from 'orbit" neaha neaha)

Searing


been doing a bit of buying myself today (it's that time of the month) ups n downs, gotta love em!
I think my problem is that i'm a tad precious about my held BTC - I just won't pay btc for mining gear - that's all done with fiat, I won't sell my btc under a certain level (and that level always changes, like the weather). But it's good to see that Expedia are taking btc for hotel bookings now though, every little step is a step in the right direction - and, for me, a step towards sunnier climbs!

It'll be good to hear from you when you eventually receive that titty, alpha-thingumy-people have upped the spec of theirs so I guess it just depends on who gets the miner out first... If *yes-i'm-a -fanboi* plonk a scrypt miner on the market in the meantime (which, knowing their track record is very likely) i'll maybe have to reconsider my standing towards scrypt mining. Never took you for an alt-head tho, i gotta admit.

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June 13, 2014, 12:02:21 PM
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yeah maybe ....my timing sucks..KNC's rep went to hell starting 1 wk after i got the Titan....jeez

but yeah I'm stuck with the Titan

as it is now it is pretty clear anyone with 5k or some such should just buy btc on the old (can it be old if btc born in 2009) the ''old' adage...anything UNDER 1k per bitcoin will seem like a 'deal' in 2 years....or the *we shall not mention crosses self* alternative of bust in 2 years

one or the other (at least my splat will be bigger then most if we all fall from 'orbit" neaha neaha)

Searing


yeah, no refund for the Titan - it's easy to guess why. Neptune was fucked up and people used refunds. With a Titan you're stuck forever with the pre-order. Investing in Bitcoins themselves has become more lucrative than hoping for good miners.
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June 13, 2014, 02:51:52 PM
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RoadStress, you are the one who needs to answer my question. I'm not selling anything here.
Will you or will you not SP30 match KNC $/GH on the Neptune they ship and include a 100% refund guarantee ?


I'm not selling anything either. I'm just supporting a good company with a good miner and also I'm trying to donate something to charities and to bitcoin software developers.

There is nothing to match.

What mining equipment do you own right now?

RoadStress what is that referral link in your sig about ? Do you personally financially benefit in any way when you refer a SP30 sale to Spondoolies ?




For the readers who aren't native English language speakers and those who pretend not to understand when it is convenient for them:

If KNC ships a Neptune for September delivery at a price/performance point lower than the SP30 for September delivery is offered at  (for example a 10TH Neptune machine for $5000 => $.50/GH) , will members of Spondoolies referral programs offer SP30 machines at the same or better price/performance ?



Folks there is a reason why the SP30 went from over $10K each to less than $4500 each almost overnight as a Pre-Order with NO REFUND GUARANTEE and all the referrers are out waiving their charity banners and pushing the 'buy now while you can get one' buttons. Its because by the time September gets here, it could well be the best engineered boat anchor of all time.

Of course, a miracle could happen and the Central Bank of China could make BTC the national currency and then we'd all be slapping each other on the back …


We are at another inflection point in the arms race and I, for one, am waiting to see what KNC and Bitmain actually ship in the next month or so before committing to another pre-order without a refund guarantee.
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