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June 21, 2014, 09:11:35 AM
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Here a view from the inside:

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June 21, 2014, 09:12:40 AM
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June 21, 2014, 09:18:09 AM
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And advanced page:

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June 21, 2014, 09:23:58 AM
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Nice!

Thanks for the pics.

They built an aluminum plate to cool the vrms with extra paste.

That definetely can be over-over clocked.

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June 21, 2014, 09:26:56 AM
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Do I see right?

VRMs already running at around 99-100C?

Wtf, this is too much.

It will soon spit an error. Ericsson vrms are very sensitive.

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June 21, 2014, 09:38:48 AM
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Hi Elenenene,

can you post the advanced Menu for padrino, please?

I thing he has an idea how he can tweak the neptun. Is it also possible to copy the content of this file, if it exists:

/config/advanced.conf

open ssh and enter this command:

cat /config/advanced.conf

If you want, can you please post it here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=313978.1080

thanky you very much

I will try (I like to push the clock beyond 500 Mhz to say 575, which would give a 4 Ths machine). 

You'd better find a way to solder on another power connector before you try overclocking. You'll fry your cables and connectors.
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June 21, 2014, 09:45:04 AM
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Do I see right?

VRMs already running at around 99-100C?

Wtf, this is too much.

It will soon spit an error. Ericsson vrms are very sensitive.

Yes indeed, I saw some of them at 106 C.  I noticed as well that the aluminum plate isn't touching all the VRM's with the same pressure. Especially the one's at the end of the U-shape (at the out-flow side): some might have a small space of air (the DC/DC numbers 0 and 1 have significant higher temps).   I'm thinking, to add extra Fans on both sides blowing below the aluminum plate.
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June 21, 2014, 09:46:32 AM
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Hi Elenenene,

can you post the advanced Menu for padrino, please?

I thing he has an idea how he can tweak the neptun. Is it also possible to copy the content of this file, if it exists:

/config/advanced.conf

open ssh and enter this command:

cat /config/advanced.conf

If you want, can you please post it here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=313978.1080

thanky you very much

I will try (I like to push the clock beyond 500 Mhz to say 575, which would give a 4 Ths machine). 

You'd better find a way to solder on another power connector before you try overclocking. You'll fry your cables and connectors.

Yes: already ordered extra connectors
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June 21, 2014, 09:49:38 AM
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final hashing speed with 5 boxes running? Grin Grin
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June 21, 2014, 09:54:02 AM
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final hashing speed with 5 boxes running? Grin Grin

Are the 5 boxes all running stable? Or is it another RMA situation?

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June 21, 2014, 10:00:52 AM
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final hashing speed with 5 boxes running? Grin Grin

Are the 5 boxes all running stable? Or is it another RMA situation?

Ran them 17 hours. Stable on 3.3 Ths  (but between the first 5 min and about 2 hours, it's very jumpy and gives many "Failed to setwork" errors, for some reason this becomes much better when running it longer (then no errors any more) >> so some FW tweaks are still needed).

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June 21, 2014, 10:11:12 AM
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Those temps are freaky high.
What type of fans are used for the miner?
Brand, size and CFM.
You better modified those box with extra heatsink at the outside before you do a overclock.
That GREEDY SAM not COOL anymore save less than 1 yuan for a connector.


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June 21, 2014, 10:29:55 AM
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Those temps are freaky high.
What type of fans are used for the miner?
Brand, size and CFM.
You better modified those box with extra heatsink at the outside before you do a overclock.
That GREEDY SAM not COOL anymore save less than 1 yuan for a connector.

It's this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835345069

Looks OK to me.
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June 21, 2014, 10:33:04 AM
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The metal plate is about 36 C in front of the Fan, and about 46 C on the backside of the box
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June 21, 2014, 10:35:40 AM
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can anyone tell me how loud they are?

is it, ridiculous loud like a cointerra box that sounds like a vacuum cleaner running 24/7?

or is it whisper quiet like the jupiter? or somewhere in between? like an avalon?

noise is going to be my biggest limiting factor moving forward...

It's very quiet: Noise is about the same as Jupiter (Neptune has one more Fan, so 20% more).
Thanks Elenelen, this is good news that they are quiet, I was hoping they would be similar to Jupiter. I plan to run my Neppy at home to help with heating (it is winter now in the southern hemisphere).

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June 21, 2014, 10:52:26 AM
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I feel screwed when I know that KnC's "hash while you wait" means forfeiting "Neptune two-for-one"!

KnC announced "hash while you wait" on April 8, saying first batch customers will start their cloud mining from early June and the last customer will hash in their data center around the last week of June. Now this is close to the end of June, and finally the Plan B arrived.

On April 28, KnC announced that "KnCMiner, the most trusted brand in Bitcoin mining, announced today that it will give every current customer who has an outstanding order for a machine from its Neptune line’s first two batches a free Neptune from its upcoming “third batch” of Neptunes."  I felt happy when KnC announced this, because it shows KnC at least tries to bring more profits to the customers (although, in fact, two Neptune still cannot reach ROI). To my understanding, this is a bonus/gift/giveaway from KnC, it has nothing to do with the compensation due to delay of delivery.

In the email I receved from KnC two days ago, I am notified to choose either "hash while you wait" or "switch to Titan". There was no terms saying that by select any of the options, the "neptune two-for-one" plan will no longer be valid. I read their T&C (convert.kncminer.com/terms/), the two options they offered has nothing to do with the two-for-one plan, therefore I signed up "hash while you wait", happily waiting for the cloud mining next week, first Neptune by the end of June, and second one in August.

Then I read the forum discussion, and I know that KnC actually use "hash while you wait" in replace of "neptune two-for-one"! I feel totally cheated and pissed off! How come KnC breaks their public promises, and deprive my rights by just giving some vague and ambiguous terms and conditions?

I use the online calculator for some maths: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/calculator. (I set the difficulty increase 20%, power consumption 2.1kW, the rest parameters are with default values)

I spent 12999 USD on 3TH Neptune. With current difficulty, even if I start mining today, I can mine up to 6BTC before electricity fee exceeds the income. Suppose bitcoin price is 600USD, I can get back 3600 USD. There is still a gap of 9399USD!

If I receive a second neptune by Aug 31 (earliest estimated delivery date), then before electricity bill wins, I can mine up to 8.4 BTC together with the first neptune. This is about 5040USD in total. And the gap is still 7959USD!

"hash while you wait" has a max period of 45 days. Suppose I don't receive my neptune and therefore I use up all the cloud mining time, then I can get around 3.8BTC, equivalent to 2280USD. Of course, if KnC ships my first Neptune by end of June, then I only get 0.8-0.9 BTC while waiting...

So, even if I have both "hash while you wait" and "neptune 2-for-1", I can get maximum $(5040+2280)=$7320. The gap is $5679.

If I only have "hash while you wait" and one neptune, then revenue is $(3600+2280)=$5880, gap is $7119!

Now I can buy a 1TH miner for about 1500-1700 USD(e.g. http://www.lketc.com/goods/show-172.aspx  the dragon miner, one of the well-known mining rigs in China), and such mining rig is in stock and can be delivered in 2-3 days. With 12999 USD, I can buy up to 7-8 TH mining power! This is far more than 6TB that KnC can provide.

KnC said Neptune is to be delivered in Q1/Q2, and they make customers believe it refers to March/early April. Now it is the very end of Q2, and I feel disappointed.

KnC said the "hash while you wait" will be started in early June, and it is delayed, and I feel disappointed.

Now KnC will revoke their promises of give away a second Neptune, I am totally pissed!

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June 21, 2014, 10:56:38 AM
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Those temps are freaky high.
What type of fans are used for the miner?
Brand, size and CFM.
You better modified those box with extra heatsink at the outside before you do a overclock.
That GREEDY SAM not COOL anymore save less than 1 yuan for a connector.

perhaps he/they would prefer if your rigs burst into flames so he can blame you for plugging/unplugging connectors too much..

and the metal plate not fitting over the VRMs snugly is hardly surprising, i was half expecting them to turn up in pieces (although they kinda did with the multiple boxes)
If they burst into flames KfC will blame it on shipping or the customer mishandling their duct taped, poorly designed, cheap component crap.
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June 21, 2014, 11:06:37 AM
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Do I see right?

VRMs already running at around 99-100C?

Wtf, this is too much.

It will soon spit an error. Ericsson vrms are very sensitive.

Yes indeed, I saw some of them at 106 C.  I noticed as well that the aluminum plate isn't touching all the VRM's with the same pressure. Especially the one's at the end of the U-shape (at the out-flow side): some might have a small space of air (the DC/DC numbers 0 and 1 have significant higher temps).   I'm thinking, to add extra Fans on both sides blowing below the aluminum plate.

I think the erricson vrm are different then on the november batch. "I hope!!!", because the specs for the nov errics are:

max 40 amp and max 125 degree C.

If the vrm are the same, then they are running out of the specs.


And No, there are not many space for overclocking. Problem the vrm and it temp.


Aaaannd, thx Elenelen
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June 21, 2014, 11:23:02 AM
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It is exactly the same VRMs as Ericsson BMR464 series 50 Ampere.

I wonder, since this setup needs more power how could they use the same number of Vrm modules ( 8 of them) as the Jup boards?

Jup were designed for 170W , with 8x vrms, handling each approximately 22W.

Now with a stock Nep card, it uses around 36-37W each vrm ?

Is it only the metal plate+thermal pad for saving the extra vrms?

No space for overclocking.

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June 21, 2014, 11:30:36 AM
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No space for overclocking.

I expect these are first customer appreciation batch boards and designed with that purpose in mind.

I'm sure the ones heading to boden will be a much better design Tongue

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