Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[s1gs3gv]

For ego maybe but its not cost effective:

It cost maunfacturers $500-600 per TH now and thats only 1.5w/gh performance, KNC cant even buy at price because they dont manufacture the chips themselves.  Prob cost them  $1000 TH to build their machines.

Samsonn25, no bitcoin ASIC miner company manufactures their own chips. They all have similar design and foundry costs.

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[s1gs3gv]

you guys are falling hard for this shill that has no orders with kfc. Dude's a tool, you guys are smarter than that. Seriously, put up or shut up, s1gshill

Just for you foetus. RoadStress is the one who needs to put up or shut up. Match KNC or not RoadStress ? Guaranteed SP30 refund or not RoadStress ?

[Searing]

Neptune Rising !

Neptune - 3TH/s - 6000$+VAT+shipping=~7500$ - ~0.8W/GH

SP30 - 6TH/s - 5095$+200$ shipping=5295$ - 0.5W/GH

Ok!

In your dreams bubba. I'm sure you will be willing to drop your SP30 prices to match the KNC Neptune $/GH for $/GH as soon as the Neptune ships, right RoadStress ?

~L)L~

er huh...the sp30 price was $4495.00 incl shipping that ships in august vs 10,131.80 knc neptune which you will likely get around (being optimistic) say July 1st if they really scream them out..more likely July 15th unit in hand...so we are talking 1 month diff likely?

not sure if I'd go with that Neptune plan (oh wait did not do so dumped my neptune for a Titan..yeah yean laugh I deserve it...still the better of
2 bad choices if it is neptune or titan imho) to be fair you do get a 3rd batch neptune probably end of sept/oct for waiting that long but 3th then don't lift much at that point...

anyway we will see

but with the price diff it is a 'wash' at worst or a win for SP30 under current situations (at this time crap changes) but imho

not a slam here...just saying (trying to be objective here)

Searing

[RoadStress]

you guys are falling hard for this shill that has no orders with kfc. Dude's a tool, you guys are smarter than that. Seriously, put up or shut up, s1gshill

faetos I'm just bored while waiting for BTC to hit $1000. The shilltard is owning himself so nobody can fall for him.

RoadStress rage quit … no matching offer … needs his beauty rest  … hopes the mods solve his problem for him ...

Someone please explain me what matching offer is s1gs3gv talking about! Please! I just don't get it.

Playing dumb huh ? Not everybody here is as dumb as you RoadStress.
Will you sell SP30 machines for Sept delivery with a 100% refund guarantee for the equivalent $/GH price of the Neptune that KNC ships ?

This is actually better than Inaba!

[s1gs3gv]

I am waiting to see what KNC and Bitmain do in the next month or so before I commit any more money to equipment.
The SP30 could well be still born ...

[RoadStress]

I am waiting to see what KNC and Bitmain do in the next month or so before I commit any more money to equipment.
The SP30 could well be still born ...

What mining equipment do you own right now?

[s1gs3gv]

the sp30 price was $4495.00 incl shipping that ships in august

And RoadStress is trying to get $5K for September delivery ? What a tosser ...

[Searing]

I am waiting to see what KNC and Bitmain do in the next month or so before I commit any more money to equipment.

it is actually a wash i can do just as well buying bitcoin now and holding as i can/could have done either keeping my batch 1 Neptune or
the $4495 group buy batch 1 that was previously offered for august

just buy coin...from my calcs on www.thegeneisisblock.com at 40% diff rise a month (which I think is low by the way) and 15c kwh and A/C in July/Aug or whatever..

i figure I make 0.20 more btc with equip then coin

whoop de do!

so it goes...(the boat may have sailed..big farms unite....create skynet ack!)

that would suck 'bitcoin network is skynet!"

Searing

[s1gs3gv]

I am waiting to see what KNC and Bitmain do in the next month or so before I commit any more money to equipment.
The SP30 could well be still born ...

What mining equipment do you own right now?

RoadStress, you are the one who needs to answer my question. I'm not selling anything here.
Will you or will you not SP30 match KNC $/GH on the Neptune they ship and include a 100% refund guarantee ?

Don't rush into anything RoadStress, I'll check back later to see what you have to say

~L)L~

[Searing]

the sp30 price was $4495.00 incl shipping that ships in august

And RoadStress is trying to get $5K for September delivery ? What a tosser ...

August had 2 batches....spondoolies was imho trying to grab market share
thus the 4495 group buy offer with free shipping other discounts ....to again get
market share (which i think they did ) new kid on the block and all trying to show 'chops'

the 5K for september is the batch 1 offer...not sure of price on batch 2 for september offer

spondoolies is in house they farm stuff out 'continuously' as they can ..build as they go...thus the above batch arrangement
which seems to get the stuff out in the timeline they mention (so far) with little trouble

but as in my previous post

at 575 coin...just buy coin....elec and a/c etc at least for me at 15c kwh even at a low 40 diff increase a month in my case anyway

buying bitcoin right now vs equipment is dead even from my guesses/calcs

(hey again no slam we are all guessing here)

but timeline/vs $$$ invested in the equip is the issue...KNC at this time is over priced imho that may change..to 'salvage' the
Neptune to at least a break even situation...they need to get everyone's their equip in hand by July 15th (same  2 week rush
out like original 28mm equip last oct 2013)...with that done again imho it is a wash..neptune has advantage and sorta ok with the
somewhat 'dated' 3rd batch 3th offer later...so all would be good imho or as good as buying equip can be at this time vs buying
coin with the past refund at 450 a couple months back heh..but we are talking equip here...so they would salvage much imho

if people don't get equip (or equiv plan b hashing) till say middle of august well ouch...they took a 'credibility" hit big time esp
for repeat customers imho

anyway my view i know squat..i have a Titan (no refund) coming ..the above is my warped view

er as an added point if time is the key ...you can within 48 hours have from www.bitmain.com ship a 1 TH unit at $2261 USd so for $6783 usd that is like getting your Neptune in 1 week...so this link right now BEATS EVERYBODY imho

https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140429083756017VwGm90Xx06B5

things change quick

Searing

edit: last point/link also had cost incorrect see above 6783 usd for 3th

[samsonn25]

For ego maybe but its not cost effective:

It cost maunfacturers $500-600 per TH now and thats only 1.5w/gh performance, KNC cant even buy at price because they dont manufacture the chips themselves.  Prob cost them  $1000 TH to build their machines.

Samsonn25, no bitcoin ASIC miner company manufactures their own chips. They all have similar design and foundry costs.

Companies in China can design and manufacture faster for themselves.  Such as bitmain and others.  Less r and d now because they improve what they can from previous gen. Not trying to be pioneers as time is too much of a risk factor.

[samsonn25]

the sp30 price was $4495.00 incl shipping that ships in august

And RoadStress is trying to get $5K for September delivery ? What a tosser ...

August had 2 batches....spondoolies was imho trying to grab market share (which i think they did ) new kid on the block

the 5K for september is the batch 1 number....not sure of price on batch 2 for september

spondoolies is in house they farm stuff out 'continuiously' as they can ..build as they go...thus the above batch arrangement
which seems to get the stuff out in the timeline they mention (so far) with little trouble

but as in my previous post

at 575 coin...just buy coin....elec and a/c etc at least for me at 15c kwh even at a low 40 diff increase a month

buying bitcoin right now vs equipment is dead even from my guesses

(hey again no slam we are all guessing here)

but timeline/vs $$$ invested in the equip is the issue...KNC at this time is over priced imho that may change..to 'salvage' the
Neptune to at least a break even situation...they need to get everyone's their equip in hand by July 15th (same  2 week rush
out like original 28mm equip last oct 2013)...with that done again imho it is a wash

if people don't get equip (or equiv plan b hashing) till say middle of august well ouch

anyway my view i know squat..i have a Titan (no refund) coming

Searing

The key ingredient here is to use people's pre order money to currently mine then resell the used equipment at market price and keep lowering as diff increases but they are mining them in meantime.  They can go as low as their cost to build the machine.  They get away with what they can.  No one wants to be a hero now with the difficulty rising and with buyers buying less equipment as they suspect the jig is up. Meaning they know the game is  up soon.  

[RoadStress]

I am waiting to see what KNC and Bitmain do in the next month or so before I commit any more money to equipment.
The SP30 could well be still born ...

What mining equipment do you own right now?

RoadStress, you are the one who needs to answer my question. I'm not selling anything here.
Will you or will you not SP30 match KNC $/GH on the Neptune they ship and include a 100% refund guarantee ?

Don't rush into anything RoadStress, I'll check back later to see what you have to say

~L)L~

I'm not selling anything either. I'm just supporting a good company with a good miner and also I'm trying to donate something to charities and to bitcoin software developers.

There is nothing to match.

What mining equipment do you own right now?

[Searing]

the sp30 price was $4495.00 incl shipping that ships in august

And RoadStress is trying to get $5K for September delivery ? What a tosser ...

er had this tag'd to another post but man people reply fast here

if you want equip now this is the best deal (me i'd still just get coin)

but you get the equiv of a Neptune in 1 week

anyway try to get this here before someone else replies and posts past me lol


see below

er as an added point if time is the key ...you can within 48 hours have from www.bitmain.com ship a 1 TH unit at $2261 USd so for $6783 usd that is like getting your Neptune in 1 week...so this link right now BEATS EVERYBODY imho

https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140429083756017VwGm90Xx06B5

things change quick

Searing

edit: last point/link 2

[xstr8guy]

Are you math challenged? Neptune is 2.5$/GH while SP30 is 0.88$/GH.

So you *will* agree to match Neptune $/GH for $/GH ? If Neptune comes in at $.50/GH you'll offer the SP30 at $.50/GH or less for September delivery with a 100% refund guarantee ?

I miss Bitcoinorama! At least he made sense.

[AFox]

Lots of people on this topic say that KNC has more then 5% of the hashrate of the network.
According to this website https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/ Sweden has only 1.65% of the hashrate of the network.

I know it doesn't mean much, as they can have a VPN with a US IP for example.

[raskul]

Are you math challenged? Neptune is 2.5$/GH while SP30 is 0.88$/GH.

So you *will* agree to match Neptune $/GH for $/GH ? If Neptune comes in at $.50/GH you'll offer the SP30 at $.50/GH or less for September delivery with a 100% refund guarantee ?

I miss Bitcoinorama! At least he made sense.

He's been bound and gagged. If he can at least add up, he should post.

[smoothrunnings]

the sp30 price was $4495.00 incl shipping that ships in august

And RoadStress is trying to get $5K for September delivery ? What a tosser ...

but you get the equiv of a Neptune in 1 week

What do you mean the equiv of a Neptune?

Are the Neptune's shipping? Do we really know what the official hash rate of the batch 1 & 2's will be? NO!

So how can you even say that? Use some common sense and stop talking BS! Geez! lol

[ujka]

Lots of people on this topic say that KNC has more then 5% of the hashrate of the network.
According to this website https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/ Sweden has only 1.65% of the hashrate of the network.

I know it doesn't mean much, as they can have a VPN with a US IP for example.

http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/
KnCMiner solo at 6.14%.
Plus there are still some workers at Eligius
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1Nbq2XZaRsKknf5fcT2wTXvBS31PaUWSeX
http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1D5FhoiuLMJJ43BCMGidwvbKWfr71g1vH9

[Searing]

Are you math challenged? Neptune is 2.5$/GH while SP30 is 0.88$/GH.

So you *will* agree to match Neptune $/GH for $/GH ? If Neptune comes in at $.50/GH you'll offer the SP30 at $.50/GH or less for September delivery with a 100% refund guarantee ?

I miss Bitcoinorama! At least he made sense.

He's been bound and gagged. If he can at least add up, he should post.

well I heard he quit KNC and likely (he did code for a bit i think also) had to sign (this is imho) a NDA agreement...very likely
in that last thing KNC needed was a guy quitting KNC and coming back to bitcointalk and air'ing dirty laundry on KNC
(which I expect from the last 4 months is considerable)

again imho....but my bet is if you quit KNC you likely had a reason and would likely share it if you could..even if you did
leave the company and go to another employer on good terms with KNC....the fact he left and nothing has been heard
since makes at least me think he has been muzzled by a NDA
or just plain ass left KNC and kept the reasons for it to himself why to keep them on his resume

but from posts/pm's etc with bitcoinrama...I find it hard to believe we would not of heard 'why' he left KNC if he could
tell us ..from his past postings on bitcoin talk..unless he is covering his butt (prudently imho) for my above reasons

again above is speculation...but if I had to tip one way or another on a guess I'd tip in the direction above

again speculation on my part.....keep in mind I know zip (why I'm hanging out in forums with you guys)

Searing