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September 11, 2013, 01:07:57 AM
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September 11, 2013, 01:12:07 AM
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I forget, what does eidetic mean?
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September 11, 2013, 01:12:59 AM
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DeathAndTaxes sure seems to know alot about the KNCMiner... Do you have a inside hookup or do you work for them? Huh

Nope I just read a lot (and have an eidetic memory).

Perhaps your eidetic memory can recall this link
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-25

Specifically the statement "Embedded Linux SO_DIMM module"
As far as I know that still stands.

I'm prepared to be proven wrong, even though I never claimed it was a fact.
You no doubt remember me stating "If they use the SO-DIMM pictured"

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September 11, 2013, 01:21:40 AM
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bullshit on the eidetic memory.
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September 11, 2013, 01:24:13 AM
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Nothing holding back any equipment(miner) dev's from ordering their own "ARM-SoC FPGA SO-DIMM", connecting it to a "Beaglebone" and slapping their own miners to it. That's so cool, opensource Orsoc comes to the park with a fully programmable on-board system they've been working on for years. The magic will be seeing them run with the perfect project: our miners with Marcus, Andreas, Sam & the Swedish crew delivering our meatballs! I'm so stoked. We are so very close now... I can almost taste the meatballs. Smiley


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September 11, 2013, 01:27:40 AM
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Perhaps your eidetic memory can recall this link
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-25

Specifically the statement "Embedded Linux SO_DIMM module"
As far as I know that still stands.

I'm prepared to be proven wrong, even though I never claimed it was a fact.
You no doubt remember me stating "If they use the SO-DIMM pictured"

Yes however that doesn't mean things don't change.   KNC has reported in separate occasions that the package would be 2797 ball and 2046 ball and looking at the PCB today it is clearly neither.  The photos of the board (identified upthread not by me BTW) appear to be .  Still even if the SO-DIMM board is used, the reasons aren't the ones you listed.   USB isn't used, only single Ethernet port used, no need for FPGA to run cgminer, etc.
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September 11, 2013, 01:41:44 AM
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I'd imagine SPI for the interfaces. BUt that's just a total blind guess.

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September 11, 2013, 01:52:41 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/17/us/as-worries-over-the-power-grid-rise-a-drill-will-simulate-a-knockout-blow.html?pagewanted=all&_r=2&
whoa, maybe better get some solar panels..image they blow something up by accident during the drill  Cheesy

  One thing that sucks about solar panels.  Is if its a grid tide system like mine and most are.    They do not work when the power go out.    Its a safety future so you don't feed electricity back in to the lines and end up frying the guy working on them on the other end.   But you can always do a battery backup.  Witch in that case they would still work.  But cost and maintenance of batteries   Can be costly,  So most people don't bother.    Easier to just have a generator for a black out.
You can buy hybrid inverters that will grid feed and charge batteries so you can continue to mine if the grid goes out. They obviously wont feed the grid from the batteries for safety.

Yup you sure can.  But like i said batteries are not cheap.  And require more maintenance.  And usually last 8-10 with proper maintenance. Inverters we us and panels haver 25 year warranties"  and have to be replaced.  Have to be in a separate ventilated room.   "well at least here in Hawaii"  PV solar systems out here in Hawaii are going up like crazy.   I have installed over 100 systems my self.  And yet ran in to anyone wanting to go battery backup  after finding out the extra cost.    
But yes you can do a battery backup.   But unless you want to be total off grid.  I think a back up generator is much more practical for power outage.  
Just my opinion.


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September 11, 2013, 02:20:20 AM
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I know I have the arrow pointing at the wrong corner on the first pcb image, but it doesn't matter. Just look and dream that it's a real working miner.

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September 11, 2013, 02:27:31 AM
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looks empty to me!
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September 11, 2013, 02:44:22 AM
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looks empty to me!

It's not empty! Its full of hopes and dreams; dreams of becoming millionaires and never having to work evaaaar again!!! Yay for bitcoinz!
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September 11, 2013, 02:59:14 AM
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No embedded board is going to cost less than a rPi.
Well, the above is probably true. But I don't think additional $50 for a better hardware controller module would matter much.

Several people enumerated advantages of rPi. But this thing has also a lot of drawbacks for the hardware-oriented developer:

1) GPIO pins are weak/insensitive/slow/generally rather low signal quality
2) lack of high-quality and high-productivity low-level/close-to-the metal debugging tools
3) whatever debugging tools are available are seriously hampered by the closed-source and anti-reverse-engineering approach from the BroadCom about the BCM2835 chip architecture
4) The true/main CPU of rPI is VideoCore, the ARM is a peripheral/attached CPU. Under Linux only the small subset of VideoCore is available as a GPU and some power controller. This is a serious drawback when developing/debugging the board-level reset sequencing.
5) Ethernet goes through the internal USB including both hardware hub and software translation layer. Another major drawback during debugging.

I agree with that FPGA chip probably has little use in the normal operation of the miner. It kinda depends on the details of the communciation protocol, apparently Avalon uses one small Xilinx FPGA per 10 hashing chips.

But during the debugging/prototyping/initial-rollout of the miner FPGA is a godsend. With Altera SignalTap (equivalent of Xilinx Chipscope) it is like having a high-quality high-speed logic analyzer for almost free. This is a tremendous help when working on a project where shortest time-to-market is the top objective.

I don't have any specific information about internal design choices of ORSoC. I'm very familiar with competitors' DIMM SoC hardware controllers and I can credit them with at least order-of-magnitude time and effort savings when doing chip-level development. For this particular purpose rPi could be considered a serious step back even in comparison with the hobbyist-level hardware like the BeagleBoard/BeagleBone.

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September 11, 2013, 03:05:22 AM
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I don't have any specific information about internal design choices of ORSoC. I'm very familiar with competitors' DIMM SoC hardware controllers and I can credit them with at least order-of-magnitude time and effort savings when doing chip-level development. For this particular purpose rPi could be considered a serious step back even in comparison with the hobbyist-level hardware like the BeagleBoard/BeagleBone.

From the picture it appears to a beaglebone, which I agree is a better choice. Seems to be a much more open platform as well.
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September 11, 2013, 03:20:53 AM
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Either way I am glad to see somewhat of an "Update"!  Grin

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September 11, 2013, 03:37:43 AM
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Now on the KNC home page:

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KnCMiner, based in the tech hub that is Stockholm, Sweden. KnCMiner specialises in building leading edge Bitcoin ASIC Miners for a secure and distributed decentralised global Bitcoin network.

Combined with the prodigious talent housed at Sweden’s illustrious ORSoC IC engineering consultancy KnCMiner is on track to smash the world record for the time taken to develop and manufacture 28nm Application Specific Integrated Circuits.

KnCMiner –  We Under Promise, We Over Deliver. Cryptocurrency Hardware for 21st Century Finance.
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Now on the KNC home page:

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KnCMiner, based in the tech hub that is Stockholm, Sweden. KnCMiner specialises in building leading edge Bitcoin ASIC Miners for a secure and distributed decentralised global Bitcoin network.

Combined with the prodigious talent housed at Sweden’s illustrious ORSoC IC engineering consultancy KnCMiner is on track to smash the world record for the time taken to develop and manufacture 28nm Application Specific Integrated Circuits.

KnCMiner –  We Under Promise, We Over Deliver. Cryptocurrency Hardware for 21st Century Finance.
love their word of confidence! now moving on to KNC's related GB share! labcoin is too much of a risk now
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For this particular purpose rPi could be considered a serious step back even in comparison with the hobbyist-level hardware like the BeagleBoard/BeagleBone.

I hadn't realized how cheap Beagle had gotten.  The entry level board BeagleBone Black (which is what appears to be used in KNC rigs) is only $45 and probably less in volume.  Since Pi has gone up in price ($35) and you need to add a SD Card they are roughly the same cost.  I must be getting old, IIRC at one time the cheapest BeagleBoard was almost $200 and that was considered a deal.
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September 11, 2013, 04:25:48 AM
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hasher87: What is your avatar from?

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September 11, 2013, 04:28:33 AM
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hasher87: What is your avatar from?
It looks like Rurouni Kenshin...

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