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Author Topic: [40+ PH] SlushPool (slushpool.com); World's First Mining Pool  (Read 3857882 times)
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September 06, 2014, 01:13:22 AM
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This is a score based pool(most are pplns which are even more strict) so when you leave you loose and when you come back it takes some time to build back up. Pool hopping doesn't work. It's programmed into a pools software to make you loose profits thus preventing cheating by hopping around to pools having good luck at that time.

so i mine 15 of 16 hours and instead of earning 0.00625253 BTC for example, i earn 0.00000379 Huh Just for 1 hour without mining?Huh??

Wow SO FAIR yeah..........
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September 06, 2014, 01:29:05 AM
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Right, until that block is solved and confirming, you loose shares if you leave. There is a small delay, but it will go to zero reward quickly.

Note: These practices were put in place quickly by the pools because of cheating. People had wrote papers on techniques to pool hop and miners were abusing the network. So pools implemented hop proof software.

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September 06, 2014, 01:31:00 AM
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Right, until that block is solved and confirming, you loose shares if you leave. There is a small delay, but it will go to zero reward eventually.

its so much in 1 hour, if i mined 15 hours to receive nothing......... but ok... Huh Huh
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September 06, 2014, 01:38:37 AM
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I learned the hard way also. Now I just "set it and forget it".

Listen: meat beat manifesto ~ Edge of no control (pt.1)
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September 06, 2014, 02:06:05 AM
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I learned the hard way also. Now I just "set it and forget it".

Yeah but what sucks is if  you have a internet or power problem that takes your machines down you get penalized
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September 06, 2014, 02:10:28 AM
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I learned the hard way also. Now I just "set it and forget it".

Yeah but what sucks is if  you have a internet or power problem that takes your machines down you get penalized

+1... that system is not fair. Then it's not pps because I had all those shares and i received nothing because I just mined 15/16 hours . 15 hours lost . Fukin great system
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September 06, 2014, 02:33:13 AM
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I think only a few like polmine and discus fish are PPS now, but they charge a lot for it.

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September 06, 2014, 02:49:04 AM
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I learned the hard way also. Now I just "set it and forget it".

Yeah but what sucks is if  you have a internet or power problem that takes your machines down you get penalized

+1... that system is not fair. Then it's not pps because I had all those shares and i received nothing because I just mined 15/16 hours . 15 hours lost . Fukin great system

There is a whole thread on Pools if you aren't happy here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=41.0

All pools have some sort of penalty to prevent hopping which is what you did do. We all have been bit by it.

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September 06, 2014, 03:30:07 AM
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All pools have some sort of penalty to prevent hopping which is what you did do. We all have been bit by it.

No, actually Slush is pretty much the ONLY pool with an actual *penalty* to people that leave, by constantly degrading old submissions so they rapidly become worthless.  With PPLNS, the expected value of your share is the same whether you stop mining the second you submit it or you keep mining.  With PPS, your share has a pre-determined value.  With Eligius' CPPSRB, it's the same.  Those are really the 3 dominant payment methods used by all major pools these days, and all 3 are anti-hopping by being unhoppable, not by trying to penalize users if they leave the pool.

EDIT:  And for the post below:  Slush's score system is hoppable.  It's just not hopped much because the profitability of pool hopping is virtually 0 when there aren't multiple large hoppable pools, so nobody bothers anymore.

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September 06, 2014, 03:32:00 AM
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I learned the hard way also. Now I just "set it and forget it".

Yeah but what sucks is if  you have a internet or power problem that takes your machines down you get penalized

+1... that system is not fair. Then it's not pps because I had all those shares and i received nothing because I just mined 15/16 hours . 15 hours lost . Fukin great system

and if u came into the 16 hour block with 30minutes left u would have got paid like u were here all 16 hours.
basically if you dont like it dont mine slush.

it stops pool hopping.
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September 06, 2014, 03:47:42 AM
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All pools have some sort of penalty to prevent hopping which is what you did do. We all have been bit by it.

No, actually Slush is pretty much the ONLY pool with an actual *penalty* to people that leave, by constantly degrading old submissions so they rapidly become worthless.  With PPLNS, the expected value of your share is the same whether you stop mining the second you submit it or you keep mining.  With PPS, your share has a pre-determined value.  With Eligius' CPPSRB, it's the same.  Those are really the 3 dominant payment methods used by all major pools these days, and all 3 are anti-hopping by being unhoppable, not by trying to penalize users if they leave the pool.

EDIT:  And for the post below:  Slush's score system is hoppable.  It's just not hopped much because the profitability of pool hopping is virtually 0 when there aren't multiple large hoppable pools, so nobody bothers anymore.

I stand corrected "penalty" might not be the correct wording in referring to the other pools, but it is the anti hopping mechanism in place here (as the loss itself will discourage hopping).

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September 06, 2014, 04:43:59 AM
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I learned the hard way also. Now I just "set it and forget it".

Yeah but what sucks is if  you have a internet or power problem that takes your machines down you get penalized

+1... that system is not fair. Then it's not pps because I had all those shares and i received nothing because I just mined 15/16 hours . 15 hours lost . Fukin great system

Oskuro, oyes loco...yo me arte de los blockes de slush, de ves en cuando se me va el senal de internet y todo el tiempo que dure minando esta perdido.  me cambie a Ghash.  como dice 3Ball MTY "intentalo" alamejor te gusta mas. 

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September 06, 2014, 06:16:48 AM
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ok my dance doesn't seem to be working this time. Someone else's turn to find the right rain dance Smiley

and yeah we all get frustrated when a miner or pi craps out 3 minutes before a 23 hour block is solved and your payout is 1/2 what it would have been but so it goes. If you want straight PPS there are other pools out there, please find one, I would like a bigger share of my favorite slushy.
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September 06, 2014, 07:42:39 AM
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yes, all you whiners leave so we can have your share of the pie

https://www.buytrezor.com?a=55c37b866c11   well sir, I like it!
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September 06, 2014, 09:30:13 AM
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I learned the hard way also. Now I just "set it and forget it".

Yeah but what sucks is if  you have a internet or power problem that takes your machines down you get penalized

+1... that system is not fair. Then it's not pps because I had all those shares and i received nothing because I just mined 15/16 hours . 15 hours lost . Fukin great system

Oskuro, oyes loco...yo me arte de los blockes de slush, de ves en cuando se me va el senal de internet y todo el tiempo que dure minando esta perdido.  me cambie a Ghash.  como dice 3Ball MTY "intentalo" alamejor te gusta mas. 

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pues ya ves... menuda mierda que si se te va la luz o lo que sea no te den nada... flipante. minas 15 horas de 16 y no te dan nada, es acojonante. Pero bueno, probaré otras y sino pues vuelvo. Wink
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September 06, 2014, 10:55:05 AM
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yes, all you whiners leave so we can have your share of the pie

First of all, if the whiners leave, you won't have their share of the pie. You are going to be getting a bigger piece from a pie that will proportionally take more time to be baked, so your net gain over time is the same, haven't you figured that out yet? Unless you are referring to the single block that gets mined right after they leave, in which case I believe that anyone wanting to leave, would do so right after a block is mined.

Secondly, the "if you don't like it, get out/if you don't like it there are other alternatives" argument is plain stupid and invalid. The whole purpose of a discussion forum is for people to express their opinion on how something could be improved. You may disagree, so please feel free to express your reason for disagreeing. But nothing is built perfect, so arguments like "no-one forces you to use it" do not invalidate the original argument.
Isn't obvious that the individual chooses for various other reasons to use a service, but still thinks that there are ways for it to be improved? Otherwise, his post would be like "Please suggest me some alternative cause I think this one is crappy"

tl;dr People using the "if you don't like it, you can get out" argument are in a fanboy mental state. Needless to say that rarely are they not plain wrong, because they believe they use a perfect system, which is never the case.
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September 06, 2014, 12:03:01 PM
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yes, all you whiners leave so we can have your share of the pie

First of all, if the whiners leave, you won't have their share of the pie. You are going to be getting a bigger piece from a pie that will proportionally take more time to be baked, so your net gain over time is the same, haven't you figured that out yet? Unless you are referring to the single block that gets mined right after they leave, in which case I believe that anyone wanting to leave, would do so right after a block is mined.

Secondly, the "if you don't like it, get out/if you don't like it there are other alternatives" argument is plain stupid and invalid. The whole purpose of a discussion forum is for people to express their opinion on how something could be improved. You may disagree, so please feel free to express your reason for disagreeing. But nothing is built perfect, so arguments like "no-one forces you to use it" do not invalidate the original argument.
Isn't obvious that the individual chooses for various other reasons to use a service, but still thinks that there are ways for it to be improved? Otherwise, his post would be like "Please suggest me some alternative cause I think this one is crappy"

tl;dr People using the "if you don't like it, you can get out" argument are in a fanboy mental state. Needless to say that rarely are they not plain wrong, because they believe they use a perfect system, which is never the case.

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September 06, 2014, 02:29:55 PM
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I have found 3 blocks in past hour, no rewards Undecided
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September 06, 2014, 04:14:42 PM
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yes, all you whiners leave so we can have your share of the pie

First of all, if the whiners leave, you won't have their share of the pie. You are going to be getting a bigger piece from a pie that will proportionally take more time to be baked, so your net gain over time is the same, haven't you figured that out yet? Unless you are referring to the single block that gets mined right after they leave, in which case I believe that anyone wanting to leave, would do so right after a block is mined.

Secondly, the "if you don't like it, get out/if you don't like it there are other alternatives" argument is plain stupid and invalid. The whole purpose of a discussion forum is for people to express their opinion on how something could be improved. You may disagree, so please feel free to express your reason for disagreeing. But nothing is built perfect, so arguments like "no-one forces you to use it" do not invalidate the original argument.
Isn't obvious that the individual chooses for various other reasons to use a service, but still thinks that there are ways for it to be improved? Otherwise, his post would be like "Please suggest me some alternative cause I think this one is crappy"

tl;dr People using the "if you don't like it, you can get out" argument are in a fanboy mental state. Needless to say that rarely are they not plain wrong, because they believe they use a perfect system, which is never the case.

Wow, first post? Anyway, actually individual payout for block shares are larger with less people mining here. More people helps us get more blocks(if they don't keep hopping around) but with less coin rewarded for each miner.

Welcome to the pool if you are new!! Or enjoy the new alt account if your not.

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September 06, 2014, 04:15:35 PM
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Hi all do you know haw find referral link in mining.bitcoin.cz aka Slush's pool? if know say me ok thanks all. i cannot find
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