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September 06, 2014, 03:30:07 AM
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All pools have some sort of penalty to prevent hopping which is what you did do. We all have been bit by it.

No, actually Slush is pretty much the ONLY pool with an actual *penalty* to people that leave, by constantly degrading old submissions so they rapidly become worthless.  With PPLNS, the expected value of your share is the same whether you stop mining the second you submit it or you keep mining.  With PPS, your share has a pre-determined value.  With Eligius' CPPSRB, it's the same.  Those are really the 3 dominant payment methods used by all major pools these days, and all 3 are anti-hopping by being unhoppable, not by trying to penalize users if they leave the pool.

EDIT:  And for the post below:  Slush's score system is hoppable.  It's just not hopped much because the profitability of pool hopping is virtually 0 when there aren't multiple large hoppable pools, so nobody bothers anymore.

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September 06, 2014, 03:32:00 AM
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I learned the hard way also. Now I just "set it and forget it".

Yeah but what sucks is if  you have a internet or power problem that takes your machines down you get penalized

+1... that system is not fair. Then it's not pps because I had all those shares and i received nothing because I just mined 15/16 hours . 15 hours lost . Fukin great system

and if u came into the 16 hour block with 30minutes left u would have got paid like u were here all 16 hours.
basically if you dont like it dont mine slush.

it stops pool hopping.
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September 06, 2014, 03:47:42 AM
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All pools have some sort of penalty to prevent hopping which is what you did do. We all have been bit by it.

No, actually Slush is pretty much the ONLY pool with an actual *penalty* to people that leave, by constantly degrading old submissions so they rapidly become worthless.  With PPLNS, the expected value of your share is the same whether you stop mining the second you submit it or you keep mining.  With PPS, your share has a pre-determined value.  With Eligius' CPPSRB, it's the same.  Those are really the 3 dominant payment methods used by all major pools these days, and all 3 are anti-hopping by being unhoppable, not by trying to penalize users if they leave the pool.

EDIT:  And for the post below:  Slush's score system is hoppable.  It's just not hopped much because the profitability of pool hopping is virtually 0 when there aren't multiple large hoppable pools, so nobody bothers anymore.

I stand corrected "penalty" might not be the correct wording in referring to the other pools, but it is the anti hopping mechanism in place here (as the loss itself will discourage hopping).

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September 06, 2014, 04:43:59 AM
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I learned the hard way also. Now I just "set it and forget it".

Yeah but what sucks is if  you have a internet or power problem that takes your machines down you get penalized

+1... that system is not fair. Then it's not pps because I had all those shares and i received nothing because I just mined 15/16 hours . 15 hours lost . Fukin great system

Oskuro, oyes loco...yo me arte de los blockes de slush, de ves en cuando se me va el senal de internet y todo el tiempo que dure minando esta perdido.  me cambie a Ghash.  como dice 3Ball MTY "intentalo" alamejor te gusta mas. 

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September 06, 2014, 06:16:48 AM
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ok my dance doesn't seem to be working this time. Someone else's turn to find the right rain dance Smiley

and yeah we all get frustrated when a miner or pi craps out 3 minutes before a 23 hour block is solved and your payout is 1/2 what it would have been but so it goes. If you want straight PPS there are other pools out there, please find one, I would like a bigger share of my favorite slushy.
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September 06, 2014, 07:42:39 AM
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yes, all you whiners leave so we can have your share of the pie

https://www.buytrezor.com?a=55c37b866c11   well sir, I like it!
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September 06, 2014, 09:30:13 AM
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I learned the hard way also. Now I just "set it and forget it".

Yeah but what sucks is if  you have a internet or power problem that takes your machines down you get penalized

+1... that system is not fair. Then it's not pps because I had all those shares and i received nothing because I just mined 15/16 hours . 15 hours lost . Fukin great system

Oskuro, oyes loco...yo me arte de los blockes de slush, de ves en cuando se me va el senal de internet y todo el tiempo que dure minando esta perdido.  me cambie a Ghash.  como dice 3Ball MTY "intentalo" alamejor te gusta mas. 

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pues ya ves... menuda mierda que si se te va la luz o lo que sea no te den nada... flipante. minas 15 horas de 16 y no te dan nada, es acojonante. Pero bueno, probaré otras y sino pues vuelvo. Wink
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September 06, 2014, 10:55:05 AM
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yes, all you whiners leave so we can have your share of the pie

First of all, if the whiners leave, you won't have their share of the pie. You are going to be getting a bigger piece from a pie that will proportionally take more time to be baked, so your net gain over time is the same, haven't you figured that out yet? Unless you are referring to the single block that gets mined right after they leave, in which case I believe that anyone wanting to leave, would do so right after a block is mined.

Secondly, the "if you don't like it, get out/if you don't like it there are other alternatives" argument is plain stupid and invalid. The whole purpose of a discussion forum is for people to express their opinion on how something could be improved. You may disagree, so please feel free to express your reason for disagreeing. But nothing is built perfect, so arguments like "no-one forces you to use it" do not invalidate the original argument.
Isn't obvious that the individual chooses for various other reasons to use a service, but still thinks that there are ways for it to be improved? Otherwise, his post would be like "Please suggest me some alternative cause I think this one is crappy"

tl;dr People using the "if you don't like it, you can get out" argument are in a fanboy mental state. Needless to say that rarely are they not plain wrong, because they believe they use a perfect system, which is never the case.
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September 06, 2014, 12:03:01 PM
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yes, all you whiners leave so we can have your share of the pie

First of all, if the whiners leave, you won't have their share of the pie. You are going to be getting a bigger piece from a pie that will proportionally take more time to be baked, so your net gain over time is the same, haven't you figured that out yet? Unless you are referring to the single block that gets mined right after they leave, in which case I believe that anyone wanting to leave, would do so right after a block is mined.

Secondly, the "if you don't like it, get out/if you don't like it there are other alternatives" argument is plain stupid and invalid. The whole purpose of a discussion forum is for people to express their opinion on how something could be improved. You may disagree, so please feel free to express your reason for disagreeing. But nothing is built perfect, so arguments like "no-one forces you to use it" do not invalidate the original argument.
Isn't obvious that the individual chooses for various other reasons to use a service, but still thinks that there are ways for it to be improved? Otherwise, his post would be like "Please suggest me some alternative cause I think this one is crappy"

tl;dr People using the "if you don't like it, you can get out" argument are in a fanboy mental state. Needless to say that rarely are they not plain wrong, because they believe they use a perfect system, which is never the case.

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September 06, 2014, 02:29:55 PM
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I have found 3 blocks in past hour, no rewards Undecided
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September 06, 2014, 04:14:42 PM
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yes, all you whiners leave so we can have your share of the pie

First of all, if the whiners leave, you won't have their share of the pie. You are going to be getting a bigger piece from a pie that will proportionally take more time to be baked, so your net gain over time is the same, haven't you figured that out yet? Unless you are referring to the single block that gets mined right after they leave, in which case I believe that anyone wanting to leave, would do so right after a block is mined.

Secondly, the "if you don't like it, get out/if you don't like it there are other alternatives" argument is plain stupid and invalid. The whole purpose of a discussion forum is for people to express their opinion on how something could be improved. You may disagree, so please feel free to express your reason for disagreeing. But nothing is built perfect, so arguments like "no-one forces you to use it" do not invalidate the original argument.
Isn't obvious that the individual chooses for various other reasons to use a service, but still thinks that there are ways for it to be improved? Otherwise, his post would be like "Please suggest me some alternative cause I think this one is crappy"

tl;dr People using the "if you don't like it, you can get out" argument are in a fanboy mental state. Needless to say that rarely are they not plain wrong, because they believe they use a perfect system, which is never the case.

Wow, first post? Anyway, actually individual payout for block shares are larger with less people mining here. More people helps us get more blocks(if they don't keep hopping around) but with less coin rewarded for each miner.

Welcome to the pool if you are new!! Or enjoy the new alt account if your not.

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September 06, 2014, 04:15:35 PM
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Hi all do you know haw find referral link in mining.bitcoin.cz aka Slush's pool? if know say me ok thanks all. i cannot find
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September 06, 2014, 04:20:59 PM
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Hi all do you know haw find referral link in mining.bitcoin.cz aka Slush's pool? if know say me ok thanks all. i cannot find

^ This will get someone to sign up page. It's not really a referral link like a few pools have.

https://mining.bitcoin.cz/


Did some pool spill over to here today? Sure looks/sounds like it.

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September 06, 2014, 04:55:53 PM
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I have found 3 blocks in past hour, no rewards Undecided

What you are probably looking at is the pool has solved 3 blocks. It's takes 100 confirmations for a block to mature to be valid and payout. It used to be 120 but the bitcoin devs lowered it awhile back. You can follow the blocks maturing on the pools statistics page. Third link from the top of the pool page.

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September 06, 2014, 10:24:39 PM
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why does the pool register my hash rate at abotu 20% less than what it is?
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September 06, 2014, 11:18:12 PM
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How long has you miner been connected to the pool? It take several hours to build up to actual speed on pool side. Also some of these newer miners report different on different pools. I have some Rockminers that show 40ghs less on the pool than what cgminer reports.

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September 06, 2014, 11:53:14 PM
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As that last 10 hour 2 min round was an orphaned block (319461) does that mean it will be invalid?

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September 07, 2014, 12:19:36 AM
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Orphaned block = no pay

Note: Hopefully the reason for the Orphaned block isn't slow reporting buy the pool. I doubt it was, but it always makes me wonder. Especially on a 10+ hour block.

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September 07, 2014, 12:25:24 AM
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Nothing is showing orphaned on my end  Wink

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September 07, 2014, 12:29:17 AM
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Look at the Block height of 319461

http://blockchain.info/block/000000000000000014c0aec199c1a52d6fc34c1cada3b3e36189c228fc1b864b?site=slush

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