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Author Topic: [2.5+ EH] Slush Pool (slushpool.com); World's First Mining Pool  (Read 4325902 times)
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September 13, 2014, 02:35:57 PM
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The last 2 days my income reduced and is still going down. And as finding a block takes as long as usual, I'm off now.
Sad to say, I love this pool, never had any major troubles the last year. But now it's time to move on.

I hope, times will change and slush will find a way to double blockfinding.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

Here's the reason: 9548835.185 Ghash/s !

When I turned off my machines a couple weeks ago the pool hash rate was around 6.0 mil.

I say thanks for all the memories.


Sure, but does a higher hashrate not mean faster blockfinding? Correct me, if I'm wrong.

You would expect less reward per block, but more blocks, so it should balance out.  But the block rate seems slower than expected.  The funny thing is, every time we have a slow one, we seem to have a quick one straight after, so it's probably going to cancel out?  I think it needs more time to settle down, so I'm going to hang around.


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September 13, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
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Here's the reason: 9548835.185 Ghash/s !

When I turned off my machines a couple weeks ago the pool hash rate was around 6.0 mil.

I say thanks for all the memories.


Sure, but does a higher hashrate not mean faster blockfinding? Correct me, if I'm wrong.

You would expect less reward per block, but more blocks, so it should balance out.  But the block rate seems slower than expected.  The funny thing is, every time we have a slow one, we seem to have a quick one straight after, so it's probably going to cancel out?  I think it needs more time to settle down, so I'm going to hang around.


You have the higher hash rate, which means that if your contributed rate is the same you get a smaller piece of the pie. But the higher pool hash helps mitigate the effect of increased difficulty. So while Slush may find 6-8 blocks a day now as it did before, you will keep getting less and less payout if your hash rate stays the same.

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September 13, 2014, 02:46:48 PM
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Here's the reason: 9548835.185 Ghash/s !

When I turned off my machines a couple weeks ago the pool hash rate was around 6.0 mil.

I say thanks for all the memories.


Sure, but does a higher hashrate not mean faster blockfinding? Correct me, if I'm wrong.

You would expect less reward per block, but more blocks, so it should balance out.  But the block rate seems slower than expected.  The funny thing is, every time we have a slow one, we seem to have a quick one straight after, so it's probably going to cancel out?  I think it needs more time to settle down, so I'm going to hang around.


You have the higher hash rate, which means that if your contributed rate is the same you get a smaller piece of the pie. But the higher pool hash helps mitigate the effect of increased difficulty.


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September 13, 2014, 02:49:17 PM
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that is not true

well, then explain you reasoning in detail.

There are a lot of misconceptions, personal beliefs and bad math when it comes to mining.

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September 13, 2014, 03:24:31 PM
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^Hi bozo, you are absolutely right. If you don't add personal hashrate when the pool hashrate goes up your payout goes down. Theoretically we should solve more blocks in relation to the added hashrate.  If you remember you and I talked about hashrate and mining profits a while back, so we can use those numbers as a reference:

FACTS
Old pool hashrate was 6000000 my 5TH had a 0.02  payout per block.

New pool hashrate is   9650000 my 5TH has a 0.012 payout per block.

ASSUMED
Problem is we are still solving around the same amount of blocks, mabey one or two more. This may be bad pool luck right now and we could start solving more blocks soon. Slushs luck number WAS based on 4-5 blocks per day = 100% luck. We are NOW at 99% luck and there has been 6 blocks solved in the last 24 hours so the new 100% luck must be 7-8 blocks in 24 hours.

Note: Once we stable out - our profits should be slightly higher per day/week/month.

Question?
I know on BTCGuild when their pool hashrate goes up or down dramatically their pool operator eleuthria makes adjustments to their shift block count and could adjust the size of the last N share to help their miners out(this can cause a high orphan rate if it's too low). That is a pplns pool with shifts and this is a score based pool. Is there any adjustments Slush can make to help us out with the larger pool hashrate?

PROBLEMS
I'm out of avalible amps to add more miners.
I've had the same strategy since October last year. Keep 0.02 per BLOCK on slush's pool and 0.02 per DAY on BTCGuild. I can no longer accomplish this due to power restrictions. I will have to keep 0.012 per BLOCK now. I guess I can undervolt/underclock what I have now so I can try to reduce amps and add a couple more small miners.


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September 13, 2014, 03:31:27 PM
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This sucks.     What pool to while slushs gives us issues. Sad  dang dang.     I just want my first payout, I'm almost there.  Everyone should join back in slushs, maybe get the score back up.   


has anyone heard from the support team about this issue?

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September 13, 2014, 03:33:54 PM
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You have the higher hash rate, which means that if your contributed rate is the same you get a smaller piece of the pie. But the higher pool hash helps mitigate the effect of increased difficulty.

that is not true

Take a look at the stats page:
2014-09-08 - 3 blocks
2014-09-09 - 3 blocks
2014-09-10 - 5 blocks
2014-09-11 - 5 blocks
on average 4 blocks per day and then the hashrate increase with 33% = expected 6 blocks per day
2014-09-12 - 8 blocks
2014-09-13 (half the day) - 4 blocks = 6 blocks average ... and the day is not over yet

Before 2014-09-12 I got 0.002 per round and now it's down to 0.00135 or 0.008 per day before and 0.0081 per day now ... as you can it's more NOW than BEFORE
Don't trust me - do the math yourself

@Datelli cold figures from the day i have started mining - the difficulty was ~700k and now it is 27428630902, the BTC price was ~0.05$ and now it's ~500$, but the mining is still not dead and makes sense?

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September 13, 2014, 04:06:04 PM
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You have the higher hash rate, which means that if your contributed rate is the same you get a smaller piece of the pie. But the higher pool hash helps mitigate the effect of increased difficulty.

that is not true

Take a look at the stats page:
2014-09-08 - 3 blocks
2014-09-09 - 3 blocks
2014-09-10 - 5 blocks
2014-09-11 - 5 blocks
on average 4 blocks per day and then the hashrate increase with 33% = expected 6 blocks per day
2014-09-12 - 8 blocks
2014-09-13 (half the day) - 4 blocks = 6 blocks average ... and the day is not over yet

Before 2014-09-12 I got 0.002 per round and now it's down to 0.00135 or 0.008 per day before and 0.0081 per day now ... as you can it's more NOW than BEFORE
Don't trust me - do the math yourself

@Datelli cold figures from the day i have started mining - the difficulty was ~700k and now it is 27428630902, the BTC price was ~0.05$ and now it's ~500$, but the mining is still not dead and makes sense?

I pulled out until the total hash comes back to or in the 60's.. the 90/phs+ hurts

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September 13, 2014, 05:01:42 PM
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Im pulling out as off now, its hurting, and no one cares to explain, just had a look on Slush's facebook page and a lot of digruntled miners there too.   Sad
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September 13, 2014, 05:14:15 PM
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Im pulling out as off now, its hurting, and no one cares to explain, just had a look on Slush's facebook page and a lot of digruntled miners there too.   Sad
I'm pulling out reading this crap too
I have posted an explanation that the hashrate increase is giving us more, but you 'post' don't 'read' - that's why 'no one cares to explain'

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September 13, 2014, 05:26:06 PM
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Glad your confident over a 3 day higher hash rate average and an extra 1 and a half block per day...lets see how this pans out (meantime, no explanation as to hash rise) other than

"Dear miners, we had a busy night tonight. We were experiencing connectivity issues between our US and Europe datacenters which caused a delay in accounting for your submitted shares. No shares have been lost due to our robust stratum implementation. Once the connectivity has resumed all shares have been accounted for in our Europe data centers. Your Slush pool team."   Huh
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September 13, 2014, 06:35:01 PM
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Glad your confident over a 3 day higher hash rate average and an extra 1 and a half block per day...lets see how this pans out (meantime, no explanation as to hash rise) other than

"Dear miners, we had a busy night tonight. We were experiencing connectivity issues between our US and Europe datacenters which caused a delay in accounting for your submitted shares. No shares have been lost due to our robust stratum implementation. Once the connectivity has resumed all shares have been accounted for in our Europe data centers. Your Slush pool team."   Huh

Maybe the "slush pool team " can tell us where the hell all that hashing power came from that cut our payout by about 40 %...
Please pretty please
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September 13, 2014, 06:57:30 PM
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CEX has 50 blocks so far today  WTF      Huh
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September 13, 2014, 07:09:14 PM
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CEX has 50 blocks so far today  WTF      Huh
9% diff change incoming in next hour hope the rain comes in the next 2 weeks Kiss

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September 13, 2014, 07:17:58 PM
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CEX has 50 blocks so far today  WTF      Huh
9% diff change incoming in next hour hope the rain comes in the next 2 weeks Kiss
lol was just looking at coinbase had it open in another browser tab and when i hit buy sell updated showing a 370.00 btc price i tried to buy 1k and it asked me to log in btc price on login was back to 480.00 ticker shows a low of 479.00 so coinbase played a mean joke on me  Cry thought i was gonna get 3 btc for 1k lol

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September 13, 2014, 08:11:03 PM
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CEX has 50 blocks so far today  WTF      Huh
9% diff change incoming in next hour hope the rain comes in the next 2 weeks Kiss

One last block before the increase.......
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September 13, 2014, 08:36:52 PM
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We are up to 8 blocks in 24 hours so my payout is now better for the day, just not for each block.
I feel the rain coming 5-6 sub 60min blocks in a row c'mon baby daddies knee's are aching Grin

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September 13, 2014, 08:38:39 PM
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I to agree.  You get a smaller payout per block,  but a larger payout per day because of solving blocks at a higher pace.     The only down fall is difficulty increase,  a little scare went from 16-18(when i actually started)  to 29(now).   It may make the btc price go up,  but also making the moneys harder.   Hopefully causing people to sell their miners,  (or turn more online)


Either way,   Im ready,  its all a win win in the end,  just takes time getting there.  



However it would be nice if the Hashrate calculator was correct.   I got 600GH/s running and confirmed,   slushs says its only 450GH/s, im not really complaining for the fact of I know the speed and payout is all there its just calculations or something is off.  


OH well,  Give it time and we will be back up and running perfectly like always.     Just give it time.

And in the mean time...mine mine mineaway,  mining mining mining, im mining cause its fun... and a pretty awesome hobby


I look at the statistics,  and all I see is like 10 blocks for Sept 12-13   this is insane,   payouts might be lower,  but shit were up like 5 more blocks than before.   Cheesy Cheesy   increasing our payout. 

Slush I dont know wether to question you,  or simply love you,  but I think ill love you because your pool has never let me down before,  and id like to say its never let anyone else down either. 


Thank you

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September 13, 2014, 08:45:25 PM
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I to agree.  You get a smaller payout per block,  but a larger payout per day because of solving blocks at a higher pace.     The only down fall is difficulty increase,  a little scare went from 16-18(when i actually started)  to 29(now).   It may make the btc price go up,  but also making the moneys harder.   Hopefully causing people to sell their miners,  (or turn more online)


Either way,   Im ready,  its all a win win in the end,  just takes time getting there.  



However it would be nice if the Hashrate calculator was correct.   I got 600GH/s running and confirmed,   slushs says its only 450GH/s, im not really complaining for the fact of I know the speed and payout is all there its just calculations or something is off.  


OH well,  Give it time and we will be back up and running perfectly like always.     Just give it time.

And in the mean time...mine mine mineaway,  mining mining mining, im mining cause its fun... and a pretty awesome hobby


I look at the statistics,  and all I see is like 10 blocks for Sept 12-13   this is insane,   payouts might be lower,  but shit were up like 5 more blocks than before.   Cheesy Cheesy   increasing our payout. 

Slush I dont know wether to question you,  or simply love you,  but I think ill love you because your pool has never let me down before,  and id like to say its never let anyone else down either. 


Thank you
I agree with a lot of that statement at least the pool is very consistent I've had issues elsewhere missing payments missing hash-rate etc when the issue occurred the other day they reprocessed and recalculated the three blocks affected quite quickly and resolved any front end misinformation as well as even paying out on third affected block some value with no recorded shares as seen in another post screenshot and for me as well as I had moved to a PPS pool just until I was informed from support that the issue was resolved

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September 13, 2014, 09:17:28 PM
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We are up to 8 blocks in 24 hours so my payout is now better for the day, just not for each block.

6 blocks today not 8
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