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September 30, 2014, 04:45:47 AM
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I'm looking to add to our team of core programmers. There is much to be done for 0.4.5. Anyone is welcome! Send me a PM or "apply" in this thread. Better yet, submit a pull on github Wink

I unfortunately have very little programming knowledge - but I would be more then willing to help beta-test any new versions or updates.  Smiley

Something else I noticed in 0.4.4 that maybe we could correct in 0.4.5; it seems that the 'estimated total blocks' and 'last block time' in the debug window might not be right.  Below is a screenshot of my debug window.  The client is fully synced and has been running for a few days.



OK thanks for offering to help test. The estimated total blocks just shows the last checkpoint in the code, so I will change it to show current block if greater than last checkpoint.

Hello Joe et al,

I believe the code for that element is problematic in lots of other coins, including bitcoin.  Looking at rpcconsole.ui the line is row 11, known as "totalBlocks". Now looking at rpcconsole.cpp function
Code:
void RPCConsole::setNumBlocks(int count, int countOfPeers)
{
    ui->numberOfBlocks->setText(QString::number(count));
    ui->totalBlocks->setText(QString::number(countOfPeers));
    if(clientModel)
    {
        // If there is no current number available display N/A instead of 0, which can't ever be true
        ui->totalBlocks->setText(clientModel->getNumBlocksOfPeers() == 0 ? tr("N/A") : QString::number(clientModel->getNumBlocksOfPeers()));
        ui->lastBlockTime->setText(clientModel->getLastBlockDate().toString());
    }
}

seems to set ui->totalBlocks to countOfPeers and then to getNumBlocksOfPeers()
and in main.cpp I see the function
Code:
// Return maximum amount of blocks that other nodes claim to have
int GetNumBlocksOfPeers()
{
    return std::max(cPeerBlockCounts.median(), Checkpoints::GetTotalBlocksEstimate());
}
Which is the maximum of whatever those two items are Huh

I think there is some (a lot) of cruft in the bitcoind and bitcoin-qt source code that *coin "cloners" just keep carrying along and pretty soon (it's been 5 years of bitcoin now) no one will know what or why some code exists Grin

I don't think the original bitcoin had any notion of checkpoints, so I don't know when this code came in?

I vote to fix the labels in rpcconsole.ui, rename the code in rpcconsole.cpp (and rpcconsole.h too) and in main.cpp to reflect whatever that element really is!!  Or just delete all of it!!!(lol)

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September 30, 2014, 01:02:51 PM
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Honestly the build date is more annoying to me... Wink

Either way, this function was changed in Bitcoin.

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4065
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September 30, 2014, 09:15:36 PM
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Hi Joe,

Honestly the build date is more annoying to me... Wink

Either way, this function was changed in Bitcoin.

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4065
I see, reading down in that link ...
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 laanwj commented on May 6

Yesterday on IRC we had a discussion about this and it was decided to remove the 'number of blocks of peers' display completely.
It is unreliable information and not needed for progress reporting - the progress estimate based on block times is used for that.
...

So on May 6th of this year, 2014, Wladimir decided to dump it!  After ~5 years!  Ah, great minds think alike Grin

The build date is in version.cpp  If you undef #define GIT_ARCHIVE 1 then you will get your compile date IIRC?

(tips may be placed in the hat on the floor Smiley )

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October 01, 2014, 06:23:02 AM
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I just tried mining for a day on yac.coinmine.pl

with 4x R7 240 4 GB.

each card hashes at about 340 h/s.

The problem is all the values of the miner are 0 and most values of the pool are very inaccurate.
Probably due to the fact that anything below 1 khash is rounded or not shown.

Also the payout is even below half of what you would normally expect with these 4 gpus.

I mine since nfactor 14/15 with these cards and in the past everything worked out as expected.
But the values you would expect since n 16 are totally off.

I'm pretty sure my settings for the gpus are correct just in case here is the bat:

yacminer.exe --scrypt-chacha -d 0,1,2,3 --buffer-size 3480 --no-submit-stale -w 64 -g 1 --rawintensity 1280 --lookup-gap 6 -o stratum+tcp://yac.coinmine.pl:9088 -u GrimVandal.yac -p yac --gpu-engine 1100,1100,1100,1100 --gpu-memclock 1000,1000,1000,1000


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October 01, 2014, 07:14:07 AM
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I just tried mining for a day on yac.coinmine.pl

with 4x R7 240 4 GB.

each card hashes at about 340 h/s.

The problem is all the values of the miner are 0 and most values of the pool are very inaccurate.
Probably due to the fact that anything below 1 khash is rounded or not shown.


Do not mind pool statistics numbers as hashing speed or estimated reward.


What matter is amount of YAC you get to your account.

 (Note also 520 confirmation delay, nearly 9  hours)

Can you tell amount of coins what you get per hour?

Or example what is unconfirmed total amount after 9 hours of mining. 

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I canceled pool payouts and add confirmed and unconfirmed ...

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October 01, 2014, 07:55:15 AM
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4x 340 hash/s should give true 1200 hash/s (work utility)

so you guys tell me what to expect with 1.2 khash/s in yac per day ...

imo about 1300 to 1500 yac

my confirmed and unconfirmed after exactly 24h was about 650 yac

I'm now into 37 hours and it doesn't look to catch up at all.

PS:
in the past such calculations worked out just fine (n14 + n15)

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October 01, 2014, 08:02:13 AM
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4x 340 hash/s should give true 1200 hash/s (work utility)

so you guys tell me what to expect with 1.2 khash/s in yac per day ...

imo about 1300 to 1500 yac

my confirmed and unconfirmed after exactly 24h was about 650 yac

I'm now into 37 hours and it doesn't look to catch up at all.

PS:
in the past such calculations worked out just fine (n14 + n15)

650 YAC is too low for this your miner. (with today total net hashrate)


Go to your account and there transactions.

Take copypaste about ~20 last credits.

Here example


Last there is block number and amount of YAC
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22316112 2014-10-01 09:53:14 Credit Unconfirmed    733310 4.33114867
22316072 2014-10-01 09:51:14 Credit Unconfirmed    733309(Block) 6.30415787 (YAC)
22316020 2014-10-01 09:49:14 Credit Unconfirmed    733308 6.19066049
22315981 2014-10-01 09:45:15 Credit Unconfirmed    733306 8.06108196
22315940 2014-10-01 09:43:14 Credit Unconfirmed    733305 5.85000185
22315892 2014-10-01 09:39:16 Credit Unconfirmed    733302 4.84135920
22315857 2014-10-01 09:35:21 Credit Unconfirmed    733298 5.09200481
22315840 2014-10-01 09:35:19 Credit Unconfirmed    733297 9.21624784
22315824 2014-10-01 09:35:17 Credit Unconfirmed    733296 6.36020314
22315804 2014-10-01 09:35:15 Credit Unconfirmed    733295 6.64838603
22315780 2014-10-01 09:33:19 Credit Unconfirmed    733293 5.27050720
22315753 2014-10-01 09:33:17 Credit Unconfirmed    733292 4.07729032
22315722 2014-10-01 09:33:15 Credit Unconfirmed    733290 4.23483488
22315692 2014-10-01 09:31:17 Credit Unconfirmed    733289 7.39757501
22315647 2014-10-01 09:31:15 Credit Unconfirmed    733287 6.29055092
22315609 2014-10-01 09:27:27 Credit Unconfirmed    733285 7.74286435
22315577 2014-10-01 09:27:20 Credit Unconfirmed    733284 2.87797119
22315542 2014-10-01 09:27:18 Credit Unconfirmed    733283 4.13941994
22315511 2014-10-01 09:25:15 Credit Unconfirmed    733281 4.72250791
22315479 2014-10-01 09:23:17 Credit Unconfirmed    733280 8.85505025

I know now your hashrate (your miner showed hash rate) and I know my hashrate so I can do some kind of estimate if you have too low reward.

What is your accepted and invalids typically (%) bottom of dashboard?

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October 01, 2014, 08:07:15 AM
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22316340   2014-10-01 10:03:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733320   1.50679363
22316304   2014-10-01 10:01:17   Credit   Unconfirmed         733319   1.55030560
22316250   2014-10-01 09:59:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733316   0.43363034
22316212   2014-10-01 09:57:20   Credit   Unconfirmed         733313   5.59282703
22316197   2014-10-01 09:57:18   Credit   Unconfirmed         733312   0.94767658
22316167   2014-10-01 09:57:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733311   0.79072479
22316087   2014-10-01 09:51:14   Credit   Unconfirmed         733309   1.16129224
22316036   2014-10-01 09:49:14   Credit   Unconfirmed         733308   1.35420698
22315992   2014-10-01 09:45:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733306   2.30316628
22315956   2014-10-01 09:43:14   Credit   Unconfirmed         733305   0.81627933
22315906   2014-10-01 09:39:16   Credit   Unconfirmed         733302   0.40344660
22315864   2014-10-01 09:35:21   Credit   Unconfirmed         733298   2.54600240
22315790   2014-10-01 09:33:19   Credit   Unconfirmed         733293   2.63525360
22315704   2014-10-01 09:31:17   Credit   Unconfirmed         733289   1.30545441
22315662   2014-10-01 09:31:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733287   1.30149329
22315554   2014-10-01 09:27:18   Credit   Unconfirmed         733283   1.18269141
22315520   2014-10-01 09:25:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733281   1.57416931
22315492   2014-10-01 09:23:17   Credit   Unconfirmed         733280   3.54202010
22315462   2014-10-01 09:23:14   Credit   Unconfirmed         733279   0.54824572
22315414   2014-10-01 09:19:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733276   0.67089192
22315369   2014-10-01 09:17:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733274   1.34660404
22315331   2014-10-01 09:15:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733272   1.75452770
22315260   2014-10-01 09:13:14   Credit   Unconfirmed         733268   2.09565559
22315227   2014-10-01 09:11:14   Credit   Unconfirmed         733266   0.28170141
22315167   2014-10-01 09:09:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733264   1.69457343
22315133   2014-10-01 09:07:17   Credit   Unconfirmed         733263   1.10741843
22315097   2014-10-01 09:07:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733261   1.17533640
22315058   2014-10-01 09:03:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733258   0.48356682
22315004   2014-10-01 08:59:17   Credit   Unconfirmed         733255   0.33286607
22314963   2014-10-01 08:59:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733254   1.24300278



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October 01, 2014, 08:23:55 AM
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4x 340 hash/s should give true 1200 hash/s (work utility)

so you guys tell me what to expect with 1.2 khash/s in yac per day ...

imo about 1300 to 1500 yac

my confirmed and unconfirmed after exactly 24h was about 650 yac

I'm now into 37 hours and it doesn't look to catch up at all.

PS:
in the past such calculations worked out just fine (n14 + n15)

As a brainstorm and without diving too much into it, I wonder if estimations assume pool hashrate as total network hashrate. At NFactor 14,15 it just so happened that coinmine dominated total network hashrate, so a mistake like that would have had negligible impacts.

I think it is time the pools post in hash/s vs khash/s. I contacted yac.m-s-t.org about it a while back, but it will be worth doing again, yac.coinmine.pl especially.

In other news, YAC is in THIRD place in voting at www.crypto-trade.com/voting. If nothing changes, YAC will be listed on that exchange (including a USD/YAC pair) in 6 weeks! It would be great to see it not be leap-frogged by another coin, but I guarantee it will require more votes. I'd love to see it happen organically without any more BTC donated to get YAC on that exchange.

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22316340   2014-10-01 10:03:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733320   1.50679363
22316304   2014-10-01 10:01:17   Credit   Unconfirmed         733319   1.55030560
22316250   2014-10-01 09:59:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733316   0.43363034
22316212   2014-10-01 09:57:20   Credit   Unconfirmed         733313   5.59282703
22316197   2014-10-01 09:57:18   Credit   Unconfirmed         733312   0.94767658
22316167   2014-10-01 09:57:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733311   0.79072479
22316087   2014-10-01 09:51:14   Credit   Unconfirmed         733309   1.16129224
22316036   2014-10-01 09:49:14   Credit   Unconfirmed         733308   1.35420698
22315992   2014-10-01 09:45:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733306   2.30316628
22315956   2014-10-01 09:43:14   Credit   Unconfirmed         733305   0.81627933
22315906   2014-10-01 09:39:16   Credit   Unconfirmed         733302   0.40344660
22315864   2014-10-01 09:35:21   Credit   Unconfirmed         733298   2.54600240
22315790   2014-10-01 09:33:19   Credit   Unconfirmed         733293   2.63525360
22315704   2014-10-01 09:31:17   Credit   Unconfirmed         733289   1.30545441
22315662   2014-10-01 09:31:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733287   1.30149329
22315554   2014-10-01 09:27:18   Credit   Unconfirmed         733283   1.18269141
22315520   2014-10-01 09:25:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733281   1.57416931
22315492   2014-10-01 09:23:17   Credit   Unconfirmed         733280   3.54202010
22315462   2014-10-01 09:23:14   Credit   Unconfirmed         733279   0.54824572
22315414   2014-10-01 09:19:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733276   0.67089192
22315369   2014-10-01 09:17:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733274   1.34660404
22315331   2014-10-01 09:15:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733272   1.75452770
22315260   2014-10-01 09:13:14   Credit   Unconfirmed         733268   2.09565559
22315227   2014-10-01 09:11:14   Credit   Unconfirmed         733266   0.28170141
22315167   2014-10-01 09:09:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733264   1.69457343
22315133   2014-10-01 09:07:17   Credit   Unconfirmed         733263   1.10741843
22315097   2014-10-01 09:07:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733261   1.17533640
22315058   2014-10-01 09:03:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733258   0.48356682
22315004   2014-10-01 08:59:17   Credit   Unconfirmed         733255   0.33286607
22314963   2014-10-01 08:59:15   Credit   Unconfirmed         733254   1.24300278



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Now it is clear. Something is not ok and you really do not get enough if rig is 4x 0.34kh/s (>1.3kh/s brut. total) and all works optimally.

I can not help with R7 240 4Gb settings (and also there is many other things that just card model)  because I use Nvidia 750 Ti rigs for YAC. (one 750Ti give around 0.3 - 0.33kh/s with very conservative OC and also with 1x risers. (1x risers also drop  small amount of hashrate when use with Nvidia cards but  Radeons are different and risers do not mean "anything")

If you look pool  statistics and there Graphs, what it tell about your hashing speed (if yoy try estimate some kind of average from graph)

(With R9 280x rigs I meet so severe difficulties with chacha N16  that I give hands up with these, partially also due to lack of time to do exercises, and I leave these for N14 mining)

I have one R7 240 4Gb waiting on my table for some tests later after I get some free  time and some HW for start testing with it.

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October 01, 2014, 08:50:22 AM
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Only the first 6 miners at https://www2.coinmine.pl/yac show a hashrate above 1 khash,
I do believe many miners there share the same issues as I do at that pool.


It seems to me that the pool doesn't count every share.

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October 01, 2014, 09:19:50 AM
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yep just switched to http://yac.m-s-t.org and everything works out fine ...


https://www2.coinmine.pl/yac has a share count issue !!!!

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October 01, 2014, 10:46:29 AM
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4x 340 hash/s should give true 1200 hash/s (work utility)

so you guys tell me what to expect with 1.2 khash/s in yac per day ...

imo about 1300 to 1500 yac

my confirmed and unconfirmed after exactly 24h was about 650 yac

I'm now into 37 hours and it doesn't look to catch up at all.

PS:
in the past such calculations worked out just fine (n14 + n15)

As a brainstorm and without diving too much into it, I wonder if estimations assume pool hashrate as total network hashrate. At NFactor 14,15 it just so happened that coinmine dominated total network hashrate, so a mistake like that would have had negligible impacts.

I think it is time the pools post in hash/s vs khash/s. I contacted yac.m-s-t.org about it a while back, but it will be worth doing again, yac.coinmine.pl especially.

In other news, YAC is in THIRD place in voting at www.crypto-trade.com/voting. If nothing changes, YAC will be listed on that exchange (including a USD/YAC pair) in 6 weeks! It would be great to see it not be leap-frogged by another coin, but I guarantee it will require more votes. I'd love to see it happen organically without any more BTC donated to get YAC on that exchange.

Good news! Yac/Usd is cool, hopefully they don't kill crypto-trade this time.
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yep just switched to http://yac.m-s-t.org and everything works out fine ...


https://www2.coinmine.pl/yac has a share count issue !!!!

My ping time to coinmine.pl is short (ok)
to m-s-t.org I have nearly 200ms ping. (too long)

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I set up my own pool after latest N change and my coin generation doubled after that.
However I have issues with my network that only affect my gpu miner.

I get at least 10% of these errors with yaccminer (gpu):
Rejected 810ea74e Diff 1/0 GPU 0  (job not found)

Every couple of minutes I get "Stratum connection to pool 0 interrupted".

No errors from cpu miner working on the same machine, connecting to same port with same pool difficulty.
Nevertheless yacminer's sucessfull submission share rate is almost double than my cpus (so is it's hash rate).

But my gpu miner consistently!!! (over a week now) finds only half (or even less) of blocks of what my cpu miner does inspite of it's doubled hash (and sucessfull share submission) rate. Nobody can convince me this is by chance - something is favoring cpu mining. Favoring big time.

My friend also mines on this pool with all cpu miners - he is also finding far more (2x-3x) blocks with his miners than I do with my gpu miner and he's comulative hashing rate isn't much higher than my gpu's. Besides more of my gpu mined blocks get orphaned (50% at least).

I am sure coinmine.pl is loosing at least half of what it could produce with that hash rate. I don't know why.

Also I think CPU miners on that pool are loosing even more: Pool difficulty was probably not ment to go that far below 1 than it was "pushed" with N factor increments. I tried setting my pool difficulty to 0.001, 0.000001, even 1e-15 and dual core athlon 64bit for example still needed hours to hit a share. That means pools don't know exactly "when" cpu miners were working because their share submissions are so rare. And gpu miners submit far more shares and rarely find a block - at least that is what I am observing.

So there are many issues combined here, but I think current block rewards this high are due problems that GPU miners are observing. Pools also have issues with setting/calculating fair share difficulty. Perhaps miner software also have issues with recognizing difficulty (difficulty number get's rounded and numeric precision isn't accounted properly?).

I don't have time to check all the code now, my own priority is to fix my network issues. And after that gpu miner's picture could improve a bit.
But I can also confirm that my friend who is now mining on my pool with cpu miners gets 2-3x what he got on the public pool before.

I mean together we have less than 1kh and we hit 5-10 blocks per day. Plus orphans.
In a way that is encouraging, because I think we all could be mining on "private" pools until reward get's below 40 or even 25.

I will be glad to hear if someone has any recommendations for my gpu miner's problems (yacminer --scrypt-chacha --lookup-gap 6 -R 1280).

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October 01, 2014, 01:13:43 PM
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Only the first 6 miners at https://www2.coinmine.pl/yac show a hashrate above 1 khash,
I do believe many miners there share the same issues as I do at that pool.


It seems to me that the pool doesn't count every share.

I'll shed some light on this - For some reason feelep lowered the share difficulty to 0.25 (a non-integer).  From my memory, the mining software doesn't even validate any share unless its difficulty is 1 or higher - and it's all integer based, so it would be a major undertaking to make it work for his pool.  So, you are definitely losing out compared to people who can submit shares lower than 1 (maybe cudaminer or ccminer can?).  I spent an afternoon looking through the yacminer code for where it made that determination to only validated shares of diff 1 or higher, but never found it (it may have been in the CPU miner software).  That's when I decided to solo mine, and started netting almost double compared to the pool.


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October 01, 2014, 02:43:59 PM
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Only the first 6 miners at https://www2.coinmine.pl/yac show a hashrate above 1 khash,
I do believe many miners there share the same issues as I do at that pool.


It seems to me that the pool doesn't count every share.

I'll shed some light on this - For some reason feelep lowered the share difficulty to 0.25 (a non-integer).  From my memory, the mining software doesn't even validate any share unless its difficulty is 1 or higher - and it's all integer based, so it would be a major undertaking to make it work for his pool.  So, you are definitely losing out compared to people who can submit shares lower than 1 (maybe cudaminer or ccminer can?).  I spent an afternoon looking through the yacminer code for where it made that determination to only validated shares of diff 1 or higher, but never found it (it may have been in the CPU miner software).  That's when I decided to solo mine, and started netting almost double compared to the pool.




Hi - sorry - I could not follow this thread. I was not aware of miner's limitation to diff 1 so I will change stratum settings right now.

feeleep

EDIT: diff changed to 1

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October 01, 2014, 03:28:02 PM
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Now it works great. My earnings from last blocks are up for x2 or x3 from previous one.
The problem started 1 month ago, but  solution was obviously fast and simple. Maybe next time   Lips sealed
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October 02, 2014, 05:00:47 AM
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Now it works great.

Great?  My earnings drops dramatically. 50% drop or even more. Without any markable change in difficulty what have been around 0.0012. Something is now very odd if compare time before this change. Also now there is lot of more times when my workers drops offline. Previously my 2 rigs (GPU rigs) never show in pool "my workers" that they are off. Now many times. Now my other miners, (i7 cpu's) are mostly  "off".   Previously system (pool) works just ok. Now it is so terrible that perhaps need try solo. I do not accept over 50% drop without any markable change in Network and my hashrate. Rule no 1. is that do not "repair" and "adjust" well working system.

Please change pool hashrate display to display hashes/s instead of khashes/s.  khash/s display is too rough for N16.
With this peoples can check what miner display and pool thinks about hashrate. If there is too big difference then people need find problem in his own end.

I can not yet proof it but now it really looks like that pool do not count every accepted shares. (if I look my miners displays and pool dashboard "valid" count. They do not match and after this change situation looks like  more bad. (lest in my case)

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