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[ntrn500]

I like the new price

[DeAlquezar]

I like the new price http://img.ctrlv.in/img/14/10/21/5446404f95188.png

854520% ? Nice
Hehe, so I'm fucking millionaire

Maybe in a few years we will see Anoncoin with that price

[Arbitrageur]

when you try to withdraw from cryptsy it says something about negative balance.. so totally fucked up, this coin can't be moved anywhere.

[lihao1989311]

You just knew it ,it had happened few days.

[TheKoziTwo]

is it possible to get a reply on this comment summarizing the reason behind the dump,  .. thanks.

its hard to say exactly who dumped

the 30k dump at the top was by thekozitwo
its hard to say who dumped after the delay announcement, ...

You just said that Kozi was part of that pump and dump plan. That's explain why he come to ANC and run out so fast with profit.

I'm not part of any pump and dump plan. I discovered anoncoin in march this year so I have been here much longer than you have been on bitcointalk. I have seen all the delays anoncoin has had with the zerocoin implementation. As I stated on IRC I dumped 30k after gnosis announced that there would be 7 days delay. I would have dumped the rest of my coins on the announcement of 3 months further delay, but unfortunately my transaction is still pending for 30h+.

[JMcGrath]

Hello,

I really hope people don't jump all over me for asking this, I see that it has been asked before but I don't see any specific answers...

I recently purchased some ANC over at Cryptsy and tried to withdraw them to another exchange where I keep most of my coins. I have done this in the past without any problems, however all of my withdrawals are confirmed and show a txID but none can be found in the blockchain / explorer.

I see that other people have complained about the same thing and a few people blaming Cryptsy for either running an old version of the ANC client/server, or for sending too large of a transaction at a time (over 100Kb). I have contacted Cryptsy twice about this issue and asked them how long it would take and if it is because of these issues - both times I got a reply blaming it on an issue with ANC and not their fault, but they claim to be working with the developers of ANC. Both times they also directed me to this thread for more info and although I was very active with BTC in the early days, I really don't understand a lot of the technical side of altcoins (or even BTC for that matter).

Again, I hope I don't get bashed for asking this again - I have looked through a LOT of posts and haven't found an answer that helps me yet. Maybe I did and just did not understand the tech side of it?! Now days I am just a trader, and really just looking to get my coins back so I can get back to trading!!

If someone would be kind enough:

1) In lamens terms, what is holding up these transactions?

2) Will the transactions ever actually go through, or are they lost forever?

3) How long of a delay am I looking at to get my ANC in my other wallet? (Hours? Days? Weeks? Longer...??)

Thanks in advance!

I tried asking Cryptsy these same questions and got what looked like an automated response saying they had no timeline when all I was looking for was a rough guess!

FYI - If it helps at all, I have 3 separate txID's in different amounts: one is for 1,800 ANC, another for 240 ANC, and another for 100 ANC.

[ntrn500]

I also tend to suspect that the consecutive delay is fake and this time the team is still on track. Someone trying to get in just before the start of testnet? We'll see.

[thelibertycap]

Still no apology or an actual steps to remedy this situation like showing some work being done? And by work I mean code, not a list of things anybody can pull out of their ass. A trusted person from the the larger bitcointalk community would be sufficient to take a look and give a brief summary.

Btw, its quite funny how they point to donations that have not been touched meanwhile big bucks where behind the recent p&d enabling them to take huge profits.

If anybody knows a team of devs working on a zerocoin implementation (not zerocash) let me know, I would very much much like to support them. I am really not interested in sociopaths, scammers or young boys learning to program. It is obvious Gnosis knows shit about programming and even when he finally implements ZC, the code would be shit and it will get hacked in no time.

[darkota]

Still no apology or an actual steps to remedy this situation like showing some work being done? And by work I mean code, not a list of things anybody can pull out of their ass. A trusted person from the the larger bitcointalk community would be sufficient to take a look and give a brief summary.

Btw, its quite funny how they point to donations that have not been touched meanwhile big bucks where behind the recent p&d enabling them to take huge profits.

If anybody knows a team of devs working on a zerocoin implementation (not zerocash) let me know, I would very much much like to support them. I am really not interested in sociopaths, scammers or young boys learning to program. It is obvious Gnosis knows shit about programming and even when he finally implements ZC, the code would be shit and it will get hacked in no time.

Gnosis has done nothing. The only possible explanation for him giving timelines, and then always postponing them(He said the 15th was tn date, now its postponed to 2-3 months later), is that he's pumping Anoncoin from the news, and dumping right before he postpones the date. It's all a pump and dump game, he hasn't done jack shit about implementing zerocoin.

[thelibertycap]

I also tend to suspect that the consecutive delay is fake and this time the team is still on track. Someone trying to get in just before the start of testnet? We'll see.

its like ~1% probability I have though about but why would they do that?

if they were serious about the ZC implementation in the first place, they could have acquired cheap coins before announcing the ZC implementation, this coin is quite old.
also - why would anybody with a good product make a complete fool and a lier out of himself?

If it is just a big charade, it will not succeed because nobody will support such a horrible project

So I doubt it. Occam's razor says its just a regular pump and dump - we can only hope they are at least trying to implement the ZC meanwhile fucking everybody in the ass.

Btw, what team? You mean the one man programmer show or the team of clowns around?

[00Smurf]

Still no apology or an actual steps to remedy this situation like showing some work being done? And by work I mean code, not a list of things anybody can pull out of their ass. A trusted person from the the larger bitcointalk community would be sufficient to take a look and give a brief summary.

Btw, its quite funny how they point to donations that have not been touched meanwhile big bucks where behind the recent p&d enabling them to take huge profits.

If anybody knows a team of devs working on a zerocoin implementation (not zerocash) let me know, I would very much much like to support them. I am really not interested in sociopaths, scammers or young boys learning to program. It is obvious Gnosis knows shit about programming and even when he finally implements ZC, the code would be shit and it will get hacked in no time.

Come check out SDC - Shadowcash, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745352.0 . Check out the roadmap and look at the projects released thus far. Head into IRC channel on freenode #shadowcash or #shadow on irc.anonops the dev is active and avail usually everyday if you have questions.

This is the only other promising altcoin developing ZK that isn't a scam. With ANC's 2-3 month delay this leaves only SDC with the ability to release ZK in the short term.

[thelibertycap]

Still no apology or an actual steps to remedy this situation like showing some work being done? And by work I mean code, not a list of things anybody can pull out of their ass. A trusted person from the the larger bitcointalk community would be sufficient to take a look and give a brief summary.

Btw, its quite funny how they point to donations that have not been touched meanwhile big bucks where behind the recent p&d enabling them to take huge profits.

If anybody knows a team of devs working on a zerocoin implementation (not zerocash) let me know, I would very much much like to support them. I am really not interested in sociopaths, scammers or young boys learning to program. It is obvious Gnosis knows shit about programming and even when he finally implements ZC, the code would be shit and it will get hacked in no time.

Come check out SDC - Shadowcash, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745352.0 . Check out the roadmap and look at the projects released thus far. Head into IRC channel on freenode #shadowcash or #shadow on irc.anonops the dev is active and avail usually everyday if you have questions.

This is the only other promising altcoin developing ZK that isn't a scam. With ANC's 2-3 month delay this leaves only SDC with the ability to release ZK in the short term.

Did I forget to mention I am not interested in scams?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818939.0

Also, I was interested in zerocoin, not zerocash which needs a trusted setup of the initial parameters - if I understand things correctly - I would certainly trust zerocash more (even if NSA evesdrop) than some shadowcash people who could generate infinite amount of coins.

[00Smurf]

Still no apology or an actual steps to remedy this situation like showing some work being done? And by work I mean code, not a list of things anybody can pull out of their ass. A trusted person from the the larger bitcointalk community would be sufficient to take a look and give a brief summary.

Btw, its quite funny how they point to donations that have not been touched meanwhile big bucks where behind the recent p&d enabling them to take huge profits.

If anybody knows a team of devs working on a zerocoin implementation (not zerocash) let me know, I would very much much like to support them. I am really not interested in sociopaths, scammers or young boys learning to program. It is obvious Gnosis knows shit about programming and even when he finally implements ZC, the code would be shit and it will get hacked in no time.

Come check out SDC - Shadowcash, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745352.0 . Check out the roadmap and look at the projects released thus far. Head into IRC channel on freenode #shadowcash or #shadow on irc.anonops the dev is active and avail usually everyday if you have questions.

This is the only other promising altcoin developing ZK that isn't a scam. With ANC's 2-3 month delay this leaves only SDC with the ability to release ZK in the short term.

Did I forget to mention I am not interested in scams?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818939.0

Also, I was interested in zerocoin, not zerocash which needs a trusted setup of the initial parameters - if I understand things correctly - I would certainly trust zerocash more (even if NSA evesdrop) than some shadowcash people who could generate infinite amount of coins.

So because of that thread you denounce the entire project?

Shadows implementation, will be trustless on the initial setup parameters.

[Arbitrageur]

when you try to withdraw from cryptsy it says something about negative balance.. so totally fucked up, this coin can't be moved anywhere.

the issue was related to a slight negative balance on another coin. not to ANC

[lunokhod2]

Still no apology or an actual steps to remedy this situation like showing some work being done? And by work I mean code, not a list of things anybody can pull out of their ass. A trusted person from the the larger bitcointalk community would be sufficient to take a look and give a brief summary.

Btw, its quite funny how they point to donations that have not been touched meanwhile big bucks where behind the recent p&d enabling them to take huge profits.

If anybody knows a team of devs working on a zerocoin implementation (not zerocash) let me know, I would very much much like to support them. I am really not interested in sociopaths, scammers or young boys learning to program. It is obvious Gnosis knows shit about programming and even when he finally implements ZC, the code would be shit and it will get hacked in no time.

Come check out SDC - Shadowcash, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745352.0 . Check out the roadmap and look at the projects released thus far. Head into IRC channel on freenode #shadowcash or #shadow on irc.anonops the dev is active and avail usually everyday if you have questions.

This is the only other promising altcoin developing ZK that isn't a scam. With ANC's 2-3 month delay this leaves only SDC with the ability to release ZK in the short term.

Did I forget to mention I am not interested in scams?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818939.0

Also, I was interested in zerocoin, not zerocash which needs a trusted setup of the initial parameters - if I understand things correctly - I would certainly trust zerocash more (even if NSA evesdrop) than some shadowcash people who could generate infinite amount of coins.

So because of that thread you denounce the entire project?

Shadows implementation, will be trustless on the initial setup parameters.

Shadowcoin/shadow send is not 100% anonymous. Please discuss that coin on that thread. Not here.

[SebSebastian]

Still no apology or an actual steps to remedy this situation like showing some work being done? And by work I mean code, not a list of things anybody can pull out of their ass. A trusted person from the the larger bitcointalk community would be sufficient to take a look and give a brief summary.

Btw, its quite funny how they point to donations that have not been touched meanwhile big bucks where behind the recent p&d enabling them to take huge profits.

If anybody knows a team of devs working on a zerocoin implementation (not zerocash) let me know, I would very much much like to support them. I am really not interested in sociopaths, scammers or young boys learning to program. It is obvious Gnosis knows shit about programming and even when he finally implements ZC, the code would be shit and it will get hacked in no time.

Come check out SDC - Shadowcash, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745352.0 . Check out the roadmap and look at the projects released thus far. Head into IRC channel on freenode #shadowcash or #shadow on irc.anonops the dev is active and avail usually everyday if you have questions.

This is the only other promising altcoin developing ZK that isn't a scam. With ANC's 2-3 month delay this leaves only SDC with the ability to release ZK in the short term.

Did I forget to mention I am not interested in scams?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818939.0

Also, I was interested in zerocoin, not zerocash which needs a trusted setup of the initial parameters - if I understand things correctly - I would certainly trust zerocash more (even if NSA evesdrop) than some shadowcash people who could generate infinite amount of coins.

One thread from a group of fudsters filled with childish pictures and incoherent rants whilst behind the scenes they sent personal threats to people. If those are the kind of people you consider reliable sources then the rest of my post may be wasted on you.

In the space of four months the Shadow developers have delivered encrypted messaging, a unique implementation of dual-key stealth addresses, PoS lite wallets, mobile PoS wallets and the first HTML5 wallet - many industry firsts. For a 'scam' they're sure putting in a lot of work.

There's been mostly respectful and supportive interactions between our two communities, something that's pretty much absent from other altcoin communities on this forum. Many of our main goals are the same, after all. Let's not ruin that by giving credence to the claims of the kind of blathering morons who started that thread.

[00Smurf]

Still no apology or an actual steps to remedy this situation like showing some work being done? And by work I mean code, not a list of things anybody can pull out of their ass. A trusted person from the the larger bitcointalk community would be sufficient to take a look and give a brief summary.

Btw, its quite funny how they point to donations that have not been touched meanwhile big bucks where behind the recent p&d enabling them to take huge profits.

If anybody knows a team of devs working on a zerocoin implementation (not zerocash) let me know, I would very much much like to support them. I am really not interested in sociopaths, scammers or young boys learning to program. It is obvious Gnosis knows shit about programming and even when he finally implements ZC, the code would be shit and it will get hacked in no time.

Come check out SDC - Shadowcash, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745352.0 . Check out the roadmap and look at the projects released thus far. Head into IRC channel on freenode #shadowcash or #shadow on irc.anonops the dev is active and avail usually everyday if you have questions.

This is the only other promising altcoin developing ZK that isn't a scam. With ANC's 2-3 month delay this leaves only SDC with the ability to release ZK in the short term.

Did I forget to mention I am not interested in scams?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818939.0

Also, I was interested in zerocoin, not zerocash which needs a trusted setup of the initial parameters - if I understand things correctly - I would certainly trust zerocash more (even if NSA evesdrop) than some shadowcash people who could generate infinite amount of coins.

So because of that thread you denounce the entire project?

Shadows implementation, will be trustless on the initial setup parameters.

Shadowcoin/shadow send is not 100% anonymous. Please discuss that coin on that thread. Not here.

He asked about other coins developing ZK tech, i merely answered his question.

And your correct its not 100% anon atm, it will be when ZK is implemented.

As far as ANC goes, The delay could just be fud in and of itself for people to gather up a bunch of cheap ANC before a release. IT just seems odd timing to announce a 2-3 month delay.

[thelibertycap]

Still no apology or an actual steps to remedy this situation like showing some work being done? And by work I mean code, not a list of things anybody can pull out of their ass. A trusted person from the the larger bitcointalk community would be sufficient to take a look and give a brief summary.

Btw, its quite funny how they point to donations that have not been touched meanwhile big bucks where behind the recent p&d enabling them to take huge profits.

If anybody knows a team of devs working on a zerocoin implementation (not zerocash) let me know, I would very much much like to support them. I am really not interested in sociopaths, scammers or young boys learning to program. It is obvious Gnosis knows shit about programming and even when he finally implements ZC, the code would be shit and it will get hacked in no time.

Come check out SDC - Shadowcash, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745352.0 . Check out the roadmap and look at the projects released thus far. Head into IRC channel on freenode #shadowcash or #shadow on irc.anonops the dev is active and avail usually everyday if you have questions.

This is the only other promising altcoin developing ZK that isn't a scam. With ANC's 2-3 month delay this leaves only SDC with the ability to release ZK in the short term.

Did I forget to mention I am not interested in scams?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818939.0

Also, I was interested in zerocoin, not zerocash which needs a trusted setup of the initial parameters - if I understand things correctly - I would certainly trust zerocash more (even if NSA evesdrop) than some shadowcash people who could generate infinite amount of coins.

So because of that thread you denounce the entire project?

Shadows implementation, will be trustless on the initial setup parameters.

So SDC implementing zerocash does not require trusted parameters?
How come zerocash devs require them? Are you trying to claim you made some mathematical breakthrough?
Interesting but I would need to read a proper explanation, like a paper with the math introduced to believe you.

[00Smurf]

Still no apology or an actual steps to remedy this situation like showing some work being done? And by work I mean code, not a list of things anybody can pull out of their ass. A trusted person from the the larger bitcointalk community would be sufficient to take a look and give a brief summary.

Btw, its quite funny how they point to donations that have not been touched meanwhile big bucks where behind the recent p&d enabling them to take huge profits.

If anybody knows a team of devs working on a zerocoin implementation (not zerocash) let me know, I would very much much like to support them. I am really not interested in sociopaths, scammers or young boys learning to program. It is obvious Gnosis knows shit about programming and even when he finally implements ZC, the code would be shit and it will get hacked in no time.

Come check out SDC - Shadowcash, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745352.0 . Check out the roadmap and look at the projects released thus far. Head into IRC channel on freenode #shadowcash or #shadow on irc.anonops the dev is active and avail usually everyday if you have questions.

This is the only other promising altcoin developing ZK that isn't a scam. With ANC's 2-3 month delay this leaves only SDC with the ability to release ZK in the short term.

Did I forget to mention I am not interested in scams?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818939.0

Also, I was interested in zerocoin, not zerocash which needs a trusted setup of the initial parameters - if I understand things correctly - I would certainly trust zerocash more (even if NSA evesdrop) than some shadowcash people who could generate infinite amount of coins.

So because of that thread you denounce the entire project?

Shadows implementation, will be trustless on the initial setup parameters.

So SDC implementing zerocash does not require trusted parameters?
How come zerocash devs require them? Are you trying to claim you made some mathematical breakthrough?
Interesting but I would need to read a proper explanation, like a paper with the math introduced to believe you.

Please check this post,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745352.msg8906146#msg8906146

The parameter generation, in a non-interactive zero knowledge system is always going to be an issue, unless its created through a consensus..
Interactive would mean you'd need the other party to be online to redeem your input, so we're working on a way of sending your funds into infinity, where they will be redeemed from infinity.
At a base level there's always going to be some sort of mixing involved, whether its destroying/minting, or whether its using some sort of tokens, etc..

"we're working on a way of sending your funds into infinity, where they will be redeemed from infinity."

After thinking about this for a while I am still not sure if I completely understand what you mean. I have read the zk-snarks whitepaper, etc. Can you elaborate on this point a little?

Thanks!

Coins are removed from circulation, effectively placed in escrow when they are placed in an anonymous output.
We need to prove that we redeemed an output, without revealing which output was redeemed and a redeem transaction would look like a coinbase.
The redeem transaction destroys one of the anonymous outputs but it is not possible to know which one was destroyed.
It won't be possible to use the same output twice, as it would require a secret key which becomes known to everyone when the output is redeemed.
The zk-proof proves the secret key is linked to an output in the set, but only the redeemer knows which one.

Thank you very much! Your explanations really help. I think they also make it easier for people to understand why zk-snarks anonymity is vastly superior to the coinjoin based "anonymous" coins on the marker today.

Can I also assume that it would be best if there was a time delay between when the coins are removed from circulation and when the anonymous output is sent from escrow?

Can the sender purchase an anonymous escrow amount greater than the amount he ultimately wants to send the recipient (the remainder of which he can redeem for another transaction later) so that the amount of coins removed from his wallet will not directly match the amount of coins the recipient receives?

The outputs can be broken up into set values, i.e.: 100000, 10000, 1000, 100, 10, 1, 0.1, 0.01, etc..
So if you send someone 13921.301 SDC, the outputs available to them would be 10000, 1000, 1000, 1000, 100, 100, 100......, 10, 10, 1, 0.1, 0.1, 0.1, 0.001.

The redeemer would be able to redeem whichever output he wants, as they will all have different secret keys.

Now that you will be able to do things like this, it doesn't really make sense as what you really want to accomplish is breaking chain history.

Once the history has been broken, you have a fresh coinbase, with no trace where it came from, so it wouldn't make sense to send an anonymous transaction immediately afterwards, as you will incur more fees.

Hopefully that answered most of your question/questions. If you have any others feel free to direct them to ryno (sdcdev) on the shadowcash thread.

Even if you don't pick up any SDC keep an eye on it, it can;t hurt to watch. I think you will be surprised.

[shtako]

lots of bullshit...

Lol. Just gtfo. Pumping random scam coins in this thread serves no purpose whatsoever.