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May 30, 2018, 10:51:12 PM
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Interesting proposal. Would we be pushing for a hard fork of Steemit resulting in a totally new block chain, currency, and social media platform?

About a year ago, someone tried to fork Steemit--well, really, they took a snapshot of some sort and then reset accounts to beginning balances and went on from there. That fork is called Caliphae, and I haven't heard anything about it since. But that fork would be one to study to see if there are any mistakes or successes to learn from.

I've been on Steemit since 2016, and my activity level waxes and wanes depending on how much time I have (right now, very little). I'm OK with the reward structure, etc., in the sense that I can make it work for me. Mostly I have simply delegated out my SP through Minnowbooster.net so I don't even have to write to make money.

My big problem with Steemit, though, is that its block explorer has got to be the least user friendly from the point of view of keeping accurate records of transactions for tax purposes ever. I have to go to one of those dApps to get some of my transactions, and then manually look at the wallet and record for other transactions. I try to go through all my accounts like that once a month or so. It is a real pain in the butt. The first time when I had to go through an entire year of data that way was a literal nightmare. I couldn't get the books to add up right, and I finally just divided up the extra Steem that my wallets showed I had (but my transactions did not show I had) into equal monthly installments and was done with it. I think SP accumulates "interest" at a steady rate and it's handled as a constant balance adjustment rather than as a deposit, which means no way to record it. It's similar to XEM harvesting, except that there are apps that actually do keep track of harvesting instances so that information is out there. I don't know how to get it for Steem.

Anyway, the tax reporting issues are so big for me that after suffering through it in order to report taxes for 2017, I decided that I would gradually get out of Steemit in terms of having any real funds on the platform and instead move those funds to coins that among other things lend themselves to automatic tracking through APIs (which connect directly to my tracking program--I am not skilled to program them myself), or coins where if I have to manually process the transactions it's a straighforward process that yields accurate results. I might keep writing for fun on Steemit but my purpose wouldn't be to earn anymore because I wouldn't be accumulating SP once I power down everything.

I'm not in contact with any of the founders or developers so haven't felt like there was a good way to address this complaint, so I haven't bothered. I've just kind of resigned myself to "it's a big sea with plenty of other fish (coins) to get into." In fact, one of my favorite coins (DNotes) just went to proof of stake a few months ago, so I can earn passively that way without even having to keep up with my minnowbooster delegations.

I share all this to say that if you do fork Steemit to merge with Devcoin or anything like that, please design the block explorer to make it very easy to track and record transactions either through periodic file exports or through APIs that are kind of dummy proof. That's the only way I would even consider participating. I have good coins and don't need the complication of another, but will consider it if it's not going to be a compliance nightmare for me.

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May 31, 2018, 01:32:51 AM
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My feeling is that the only way to force change on those with the power to do so is to offer an ultimatum. That is to first make changes to the code with regards to the vote weighting and then present it to the top 20 witnesses explaining that if they do not except it that there will be a real fork in the traditional sense of the word. That is a fork like BTC/BCH where the branches both retain the original blockchain.

I don't know anything about Steemit other than what I've heard on this thread, nevertheless I'll give my opinion anyways.

I agree that there is a big problem in Steemit, but people don't like ultimatums. I think you should look for a nice way to fix the problem first. Even if it turns out there was no nice way to fix things, the fact that you tried would give you more support for an eventual ultimatum.

You could try putting the Steemit tokens of devcoiners together to form an honest whale, the devcoiners would pick someone to be a trustee. You would still only have a small whale, but once you have something then other Steemit users would join. Make a Steemit page where you describe how your whale would vote according to an equal voting of the token sharers. With at least 5% of the total Steemit tokens, you could in effect give your token holders equal voting weight to the whales, without having to change the n^2 part of the code.

In any case, you can suggest whatever bounties you want, and you could ask develCuy to use part of his up to 12 shares to fund Steemit projects you recommend.

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My feeling is that the only way to force change on those with the power to do so is to offer an ultimatum. That is to first make changes to the code with regards to the vote weighting and then present it to the top 20 witnesses explaining that if they do not except it that there will be a real fork in the traditional sense of the word. That is a fork like BTC/BCH where the branches both retain the original blockchain.


You could try putting the Steemit tokens of devcoiners together to form an honest whale, the devcoiners would pick someone to be a trustee. You would still only have a small whale, but once you have something then other Steemit users would join. Make a Steemit page where you describe how your whale would vote according to an equal voting of the token sharers. With at least 5% of the total Steemit tokens, you could in effect give your token holders equal voting weight to the whales, without having to change the n^2 part of the code.

Could it be possible Unthinkingbit to assign some regular shares for this purpose? I mean to fund a whale like this in steemit using DVCs?

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May 31, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
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Dear Listex,

I am the contact for Devcoin Exchange listings and administration.

I speak for our community when I say this.

If you want to advertise in our message thread, please be courteous enough to list Devcoin without requiring a fee for the listing.

Sincerely,

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My feeling is that the only way to force change on those with the power to do so is to offer an ultimatum. That is to first make changes to the code with regards to the vote weighting and then present it to the top 20 witnesses explaining that if they do not except it that there will be a real fork in the traditional sense of the word. That is a fork like BTC/BCH where the branches both retain the original blockchain.


You could try putting the Steemit tokens of devcoiners together to form an honest whale, the devcoiners would pick someone to be a trustee. You would still only have a small whale, but once you have something then other Steemit users would join. Make a Steemit page where you describe how your whale would vote according to an equal voting of the token sharers. With at least 5% of the total Steemit tokens, you could in effect give your token holders equal voting weight to the whales, without having to change the n^2 part of the code.

Could it be possible Unthinkingbit to assign some regular shares for this purpose? I mean to fund a whale like this in steemit using DVCs?

@novacadian, @wiser, @Unthinkingbit, @Qtera and everyone supporting the STEEM-DVC integration, first of all thanks for that. I have great hopes for Devcoin since the very beginning of this integration project!

So..., I'm taking a breathe from personal stuff to start working on the next stage of STEEM-DVC. I agree with the strategy proposed by @novacadian, in the STEEM world we can only set the rules if we are one of the top 20 witnesses. That is a very ambitious target but certainly not impossible! We just need to start and keep moving!

This is how I plan to split our 12 shares:

- Infrastructure & Apps: 4 shares for hosting
- Capital: 5 shares for buying STEEM POWER
- Marketing: 3 shares for collaborators (one for each)

Note that STEEM POWER generates more STEEM POWER and SBD, and my policy is to buy more STEEM POWER with those generated earnings, since our goal is to speed up the growth of our @devcoin whale. Also, this is a Devcoin project so we will always pay our collaborators with Devcoin.

Marketing efforts are key here, because we have to be campaigning actively in order to gain support from STEEM community. Every vote for our @devcoin whale will get us closer to our target.

In other news, I still owe you guys the STEEM article to announce all this great news. Stay tuned because Sunday is my inspiration day!

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As well as "DevCorp" whose mandate is to try to help the value of DeVCoins, I recalled there was also an entity we just called "DVC" that had been intended to try to become an actual warchest / treasury for DeVCoin, in the sense that just like you can add up the value of a nation or Corp's holdings and divide by the number of shares or coins to determine the value of a share or coin, we would eventually be able to add up the value of the holdings of this entity we called "DVC" and divide by the number of DeVCoins in existence to determine the value of a DeVCoin.

As of the first of June 2018, my records show the purported value of this "DVC" entity to be 4533130490.95700725 DeVCoins, based on the valuation of DeVCoins implied by today's "Latest rates include-file" ( http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/latestrates.inc )

Here is the current contents of that file, since it is updated periodically:

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BBQrate=8.37967615
sBCErate=119501.57733109
sBCIrate=132535.15857063
sBMCrate=160176.63484087
sBRFrate=163797.44053601
BTCrate=558354044.90843104
CDNrate=104541.03015075
CLCrate=.59240647
sCMCrate=132725.54662199
sCRFrate=180293.11781127
DVCrate=1.00000000
sDVCrate=614558.18872138
sGDCrate=477832.70016750
sGFCrate=2377836.82970407
sGHCrate=214046.06532663
GMCrate=145583.30709101
sGRCrate=2819.73701842
GRFrate=202365.32719151
GRPrate=4.38525963
sGRPrate=13.34170854
I0Crate=3294.28866554
IXCrate=8933.66443327
LTCrate=8841419.04634282
MBCrate=259714.16638749
NKLrate=3467.61641541
NMCrate=133999.38693467
TBXrate=.05583472
UKBrate=84431.71300949
UNSrate=101972.63372417
XGGrate=.20323841

As you can see from the fact that DVCrate is shown as 1.00000000, in this version of the file everything is priced in terms of DeVCoins.

By working backwards from these "prices of other things in terms of DeVCoins" you can of course compute the value of DeVCoins in terms of these other things.

The value of this entity "DVC" that is trying to become in effect the treasury of the DeVCoin nation, or the holdings of the DeVCoin Corp, mean only somewhat over four point five billion devcoins can actually be "backed" (by this entity alone with no help from anyone else) at the current purported value/price of DeVCoin as purported by the "Latest rates include file".

Interestingly though, there is another Corp associated with DeVCoin: the Corp named DevCorp. Its mandate is to try to uphold and increase the value of DeVCoins.

Particularly interesting is that following this same monthend that produced the above figures, DevCorp's holdings are supposedly worth 614558188852.63372417 DeVCoins, not only shown in the Corp Values page at http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/companies.html but also by the entry for sDVC (Shares of DeVCorp) in the Latest Rates Include File. (It shows the value of a share of DeVCorp as sDVCrate, 614558.18872138, and there are, as reported in the Corp Values page, one million shares.)

Thus it kind of looks like maybe the simplest way for DeVCorp to fullifill its mandate of aiding / increasing the value of DeVCoins could be to either donate stuff to the entity we have been calling "DVC" or to take its place as the supposed "treasury" or "warchest" or "total holdings of the nation or Corp who issues and therefore presumably/hopefully backs with its full faith and fortunes the currency known as DeVCoin"...

Hmmm. I have to look into this more and think about it more. Maybe the entity we have been calling "DVC", which probably was instigated by DeVCorp, simply needs to invest some of its holdings in better-earning or faster-appreciating things than it has been.

-MarkM-

P.S. I suspect the above means DeVCoins are extremely undervalued, thus that they might well go up soon. Thus everyone who owes debts denominated in DeVCoins probably should make a concerted effort to pay them off as fast as they can while DeVCoin is so cheap. This suggestion is of course aimed especially much toward those folks who are between them in debt to the General (aka Galactic) Financial Corp (GFC) to a total (as of the same monthend used above) of 2286734117044.66566998 DeVCoins.


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June 04, 2018, 03:59:32 PM
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Thanks to all for the great feedback to my post concerning Steemit. The sensible solution then is to follow develCuy's suggestions (as well as a non-confrontational approach suggested by UTB) and move our @devcoin witness up in the fish tank of steem. Once with a better presence and following we might reconsider pushing some of the code changes to help the community grow into a more fairly distributed reward system. Expect more involvement on my part, develCuy.

Just have to mention a small bragging point; Roger Ver ( @rogerkver ) upvoted one of my steemit comments.  Grin

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[Edit : Forgot that some may get upset with the mention of that name around here? My apologies in advance. Smiley ]

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Thanks to all for the great feedback to my post concerning Steemit. The sensible solution then is to follow develCuy's suggestions (as well as a non-confrontational approach suggested by UTB) and move our @devcoin witness up in the fish tank of steem. Once with a better presence and following we might reconsider pushing some of the code changes to help the community grow into a more fairly distributed reward system. Expect more involvement on my part, develCuy.

Just have to mention a small bragging point; Roger Ver ( @rogerkver ) upvoted one of my steemit comments.  Grin

- Nova

[Edit : Forgot that some may get upset with the mention of that name around here? My apologies in advance. Smiley ]

That sounds like a sensible approach. I'd be willing to involve myself at some point in the sense that I can follow the trail and use the tag. Once you have the details worked out, please post the procedure for getting connected up again, and I'll bookmark it for when I'm ready.

Congratz on getting an upvote from Roger Ver. Whatever you think of him, he's famous in our industry, so getting an upvote from him is cool. Kind of like getting to meet the President of the US would be a cool experience even if you voted for the other guy.

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June 04, 2018, 10:56:14 PM
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Hi, I don't want to open a can of worms, specially now that everything seems to be working just fine. However, I would like to open a discussion about the convenience (or not) to use a soft wallet like coinomi or hardware wallets like Ledger or Trezor in addition to our good old DVC wallet.

The reason behind this is because I think this could help to foster the use of DVC, luring more people to it and maybe the willingness of more  exchanges to support us.  Reading the coinomi support page (https://coinomi.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/29000009776-which-coins-do-you-support-how-can-i-add-more-) it seems they can add new coins:

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I am a member of a coin community and I have an integration request for our coin/token. What do I do?

Open a new support ticket on this website and we can start discussing integration right away.

In the case of Ledger (https://trello.com/b/5nQ1mdzt/ledger-roadmap), it seems they can also add new cryptos:

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Ledger is not contracting coin support through paid integration anymore. Integration of new cryptocurrencies is done through internal evaluation criteria (market cap, community reach, etc).

Developers are welcome to build integrations based on our SDK (please refer to our Developer Slack community).

Please also refer to our list of already supported coins and tokens if you are unsure if your favorite coin is supported or not.

Source: https://trello.com/c/4Aa7Ug5a/20-altcoin-support-information

Unfortunately, I couldn't find much information about how to contact Trezor about this matter.

What do you think about it? Huh

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June 05, 2018, 01:33:53 AM
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It can't hurt to open a support ticket with Coinomi. That seems simple enough.

With Ledger it sounds like we'd have to build some of that integration ourselves, so it's a matter of someone knowing how to do it.

I'd say go for it.

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"May I have your attention please!" (Eminem feat.)

I managed to write an STEEM article, it is more an introduction to this new stage and I hope to get lots of feedback on it, whether comments, questions, constructive critics, etc. STEEM is a blogging community, good content IS gold!

There you have it:

https://steemit.com/witness-category/@devcoin/the-present-and-future-of-devcoin-steem-integration

P.S: Marketing team, please recommend improvements to the post in a PM to me Wink

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Nice article and good to see Steemit being used Smiley retweeted

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"May I have your attention please!" (Eminem feat.)

I managed to write an STEEM article, it is more an introduction to this new stage and I hope to get lots of feedback on it, whether comments, questions, constructive critics, etc. STEEM is a blogging community, good content gold!

There you have it:

https://steemit.com/witness-category/@devcoin/the-present-and-future-of-devcoin-steem-integration

P.S: Marketing team, please recommend improvements to the post in a PM to me Wink


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It can't hurt to open a support ticket with Coinomi. That seems simple enough.

With Ledger it sounds like we'd have to build some of that integration ourselves, so it's a matter of someone knowing how to do it.

I'd say go for it.

I opened a ticket with Coinomi and will let you know what happens.

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CTYA wrote the devcoin trading code and committed it to Bisq:
https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq-assets/pull/3

and devcoin is now trading on the Bisq network:

I have v7 bisq installed on a doze 7 64bit PC & can confirm that DVC is there. For anyone having trouble displaying it:

Click on settings.
In preferences, go to Display altcoins (bottom right)
Click on "add altcoin"
click on Devcoin (DVC)

Start trading!  Smiley

so CTYA is awarded 40 shares for listing devcoin on the second exchange.

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June 06, 2018, 01:59:21 AM
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ctya, congratulations on the 2nd exchange. Here is another one to check out: https://stocks.exchange/

I would especially love to have DVC listed there because two of my other coins are also listed.

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ctya, congratulations on the 2nd exchange. Here is another one to check out: https://stocks.exchange/

I would especially love to have DVC listed there because two of my other coins are also listed.

I submitted the listing form at stocks.exchange and will let you know of any progress there.


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CTYA wrote the devcoin trading code and committed it to Bisq:
https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq-assets/pull/3

and devcoin is now trading on the Bisq network:

I have v7 bisq installed on a doze 7 64bit PC & can confirm that DVC is there. For anyone having trouble displaying it:

Click on settings.
In preferences, go to Display altcoins (bottom right)
Click on "add altcoin"
click on Devcoin (DVC)

Start trading!  Smiley

so CTYA is awarded 40 shares for listing devcoin on the second exchange.

Well deserved!!!!

- Nova

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Fantastic work CYTA and gtz on the share reward yes very much deserved Smiley

Will have a look at the Bisq as not seen this before and looks a very exciting exchange / project.

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CTYA wrote the devcoin trading code and committed it to Bisq:
https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq-assets/pull/3

and devcoin is now trading on the Bisq network:

I have v7 bisq installed on a doze 7 64bit PC & can confirm that DVC is there. For anyone having trouble displaying it:

Click on settings.
In preferences, go to Display altcoins (bottom right)
Click on "add altcoin"
click on Devcoin (DVC)

Start trading!  Smiley

so CTYA is awarded 40 shares for listing devcoin on the second exchange.

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June 07, 2018, 01:47:11 PM
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Fantastic work CYTA and gtz on the share reward yes very much deserved Smiley

Will have a look at the Bisq as not seen this before and looks a very exciting exchange / project.

Fuzzybear

CTYA wrote the devcoin trading code and committed it to Bisq:
https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq-assets/pull/3

and devcoin is now trading on the Bisq network:

I have v7 bisq installed on a doze 7 64bit PC & can confirm that DVC is there. For anyone having trouble displaying it:

Click on settings.
In preferences, go to Display altcoins (bottom right)
Click on "add altcoin"
click on Devcoin (DVC)

Start trading!  Smiley

so CTYA is awarded 40 shares for listing devcoin on the second exchange.


I'm going to have to take a look at this too. So, you have to install something on your computer first? I don't really understand.

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