HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s

[minternj]

 You come to a very convoluted conclusion from the reply. That really, really reaching. I guess that will be up to the judge/arbitrator come January if it gets to that, huh?

[MrTeal]

You come to a very convoluted conclusion from the reply. That really, really reaching. I guess that will be up to the judge/arbitrator come January if it gets to that, huh?

I really don't think it is. Granted IANAL, but the precedent in most industries is that if the unit is priced at USD$XX.XX and you pay BTC/EUR/CDN$YY.YY, when you get a refund a month later you will get back BTC/EUR/CDN$ZZ.ZZ, worth USD$XX.XX.
If you go before the arbiter and that quote is the only evidence you have that HashFast promised to pay back the same amount of BTC, I would be surprised if the judgement went your way.

[ninjarobot]

Also , I don't see a box of finished wafers , here it's just a box , it might even be weed in it , and that is plausible and matching his laugh.

No doubt. It is a box full of Hashish.

[DeathAndTaxes]

Here is another quote:

Now since the only payment option is in BTC Will I get the same ammount of BTC back should you fail to deliver by December 31st?

Orders are taken in BTC, in the unlikely event we get to refunds they will be given in BTC.

and

personally at this point im hoping there are major delays and i can just get a refund of my exact amount of coins. Its clear at this point the correct move would have been knc and as much as I dislike BFL, BFL may end up shipping before hashfast.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but you are not going to get a refund of "exact amount of coins".  Prices were in USD, invoices in USD, all advertising in USD.  If you get a refund it will be in USD.  If you want that refund paid in BTC (instead of say a bank wire) it will be at the exchange rate of the day.  The only way you are getting exact coins back is if by some small miracle the exchange rate crashes back to the same one it was on the day you paid.

You don't have to believe me, and don't attack the messenger.  You can hold out hope and wait for Hashfast to contradict me but that contradiction isn't coming.

I don't think this is correct. When I visited HF last week John specifically mentioned that refunds would be done in the currency it was paid in at the amount paid in at the time of the order. So if you paid 50 BTC you will get back 50 BTC.

Another topic was the possibility of refunds and John was pretty specific that if refunds do happen they will be full refunds in the currency the order was paid in (BTC in BTC, USD in USD).

[Kouye]

No doubt. It is a box full of Hashish.

More seriously, several people here asked about the funny crushed-shape of the glorious box with not even a shill being able to answer to that.

[minternj]

You come to a very convoluted conclusion from the reply. That really, really reaching. I guess that will be up to the judge/arbitrator come January if it gets to that, huh?

I really don't think it is. Granted IANAL, but the precedent in most industries is that if the unit is priced at USD$XX.XX and you pay BTC/EUR/CDN$YY.YY, when you get a refund a month later you will get back BTC/EUR/CDN$ZZ.ZZ, worth USD$XX.XX.
If you go before the arbiter and that quote is the only evidence you have that HashFast promised to pay back the same amount of BTC, I would be surprised if the judgement went your way.

Dont need to present evidence at all . I have my receipt of sending them 59 btc. They said they offer refunds after Dec 31st. Hence refund what I gave. Very similar to a barter. I am due what I gave, or present value of the item that was bartered with, to replace the item I gave. Pretty easy concept, and backed with years of small claims court case law.

Anyways, i digress... this discussion is all very useless as we will all need to initiate our own remedy after the date has passed. We are clogging the thread from a meaningful reply from hashfast's paid community liaison, HashFast_CL.

[mmfiore]

I was looking for information on how to operate the Baby Jet when I receive mine hopefully sometime this year. Are there any instructions on how to operate the baby jet? I am also searching for instructions on how to install the upgrade kit as well. So far I have not been able to find anything on those two topics yet. If anyone has info on those two topics I would greatly appreciate an update.

Thanks...

[DPoS]

I was looking for information on how to operate the Baby Jet when I receive mine hopefully sometime this year. Are there any instructions on how to operate the baby jet? I am also searching for instructions on how to install the upgrade kit as well. So far I have not been able to find anything on those two topics yet. If anyone has info on those two topics I would greatly appreciate an update.

Thanks...

Just hang it over the crib

[perezoso]

I have my receipt of sending them 59 btc.

The Hashfast order confirmation says "59 BTC"?

[minternj]

Yessir. I have  day 1 order when cart was broken. Had them send me a confirmation/receipt. Says 59btc.

[MrTeal]

Yessir. I have  day 1 order when cart was broken. Had them send me a confirmation/receipt. Says 59btc.

Interesting, I got a phone confirmation.
Can you post a redacted image of the email you got?

[minternj]

Sorry not going to post it. Even though i'm sure they can figure out who i am, I would rather them not know exactly. Going have to take my word, which in this community isn't worth much i guess. yes, I'm disenchanted with the mining part of the community if you haven't figured that out. Money just brings out the worst and attracts the worst of people.

[Epoch]

Money just brings out the worst and attracts the worst of people.

Very true.

[ProfMac]

No doubt. It is a box full of Hashish.

More seriously, several people here asked about the funny crushed-shape of the glorious box with not even a shill being able to answer to that.

The bottom of the box is tapered.  On all 4 corners.

[perezoso]

There is really nothing to hide, the invoice sent by email shows the amount in USD and (x BTC) among parenthesis.

Not mine. Wonder how many permutations there are.  

Just like all the different TOS versions.  The one posted on the site on the day I bought is different than the one appended to my order confirmation (yes, I have it saved).  

I think they kind of screwed some of this stuff up from the beginning, and imagine that there's inconsistency in many places.

All unimportant, however, if they do their first batch shareholders customers whatever right.  We'll see.

[stompix]

Also , I don't see a box of finished wafers , here it's just a box , it might even be weed in it , and that is plausible and matching his laugh.

No doubt. It is a box full of Hashish.

You see , that's what I'm worried about . That is was actually something like that in the box , which is now empty.

[stompix]

Posted again for posterity about btc refund.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270384.msg2903338#msg2903338

Quote
Simon Barber
Re: HashFast launches sales of the Baby Jet
August 10, 2013, 06:08:08 AM

Quote from: cycloid on August 10, 2013, 05:18:15 AM
Now since the only payment option is in BTC Will I get the same ammount of BTC back should you fail to deliver by December 31st?

Orders are taken in BTC, in the unlikely event we get to refunds they will be given in BTC.

That quote I do remember. They were asked if they would be given the same amount of BTC, but the answer does not say that. It only says that orders were taken in BTC and refunds would be given in BTC. He didn't say the quantity would be the same. As far as I know, the only statement saying the that the quantity would be the same was ninjarobot's hearsay account from his visit to the office.

Well , if there is anyone on this forum who paid in btc , he could trace where the payments went.
If we come across a wallet full of btc that match 30-40 or so orders , there is still hope.
If they went to an exchanger , kiss them goodbye.
Also the third , where we can't trace them , which bring both fear and hope.

[fubly]

[qwk]

More seriously, several people here asked about the funny crushed-shape of the glorious box with not even a shill being able to answer to that.

This is what your standard wafer carrier looks like, unwrapped:




This is what HF's wafer carrier looks like, wrapped.



I don't see any evidence of "crushing" or damage at all, just an overly generous application of foil.

[cedivad]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=341583.msg3659061#msg3659061



One month after the supposed delivery time, and they only have a rendering of the boards.

I guess it's because renderings are not under NDA?