[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[toknormal]

ROI is becoming a bit of a trigger word for you it seems, even though it has been used in cryptospace for many many many years now. With different definitions.

If Dash is to become "competitive" again - I mean aggressively competitive like it was in its early years before the market became crowded - then it can't afford the kind of laissez faire fanboy, "nothing to see here" promotion that you do in this thread.

You don't do Dash any favours.

There is only one definition of "ROI" and the clue is in the words "Return" on "Investment". The return is on the invested capital, not the 1000 Dash. So if, at the end of the year your 1060 Dash is worth less than what you paid for the 1000 Dash then the ROI is negative. It is not 6%.

You do not get to create your own fake definition of that term just so that what you're promoting looks good alongside competitors. If "other people are doing it" then "other people" are equally scammy. It doesn't do us any favours to join the bandwagon but rather stops us from adequately addressing the real issues such the capital value of holdings and optimising capital gain. It makes like it doesn't exist = you still get 6% return even if the coin loses value. Well you don't as any long term masternode holder will testify.

It's the same hypocrisy as bigging up the treasury system while at the same time dismissing any criticism of masternodes being an economic drag on the coin. Nobody would be likely to argue against getting good value from the treasury such that the proposals presented don't come in at a ridiculous budget over cost. Yet you seem happy for the blockchain to pay masternodes (which are no more than a treasury contractor) several thousands of percent over cost. The treasury and the masternode budget originate from exactly the same source. Paying "too much" for either causes exactly the same economic drag on the coin.

The same is not true for mining. The mining supply that gets "dumped" on markets draws a revenue that goes straight to paying for upwards difficulty adjustments so you can dump mining supply all day long and it just makes the coin harder to access.

Cleaning up these 2 pieces of "scamdom":

 • ditching the term ROI in favour of a more adequately termed descriptor and
 • getting rid of the huge masternode "flab" margins that hold our capital value down

...would go a long way to streamlining competitiveness and getting us ready for a more sustainable next bull market.

[birdonthewire]

It's not malicious though, it's a knowledge/understanding issue.

Mason ? I do not think so.

How can you say that about a universal "educator" of DASH and alma mater of global crypto pedagogy ?  

[qwizzie]

There is only one definition of "ROI" and the clue is in the words "Return" on "Investment".
If "other people are doing it" then "other people" are equally scammy.

Does that mean you think coinmarketcap is scammy in their definition of ROI ?


Source : https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/dash/historical-data/

It is certainly not ROI in the form of 'return of gain from investment divided by cost of investment' as you referenced in an earlier post.
To be precise, this one :

[toknormal]

Does that mean you think coinmarketcap is scammy in their definition of ROI ?

What are you talking about ?

coimerketcap's definition is correct. Yours is wrong.

They have the cost of the Dash on the denominator. You have the Dash itself on the denominator. They are completely different definitions - you made yours up.

It is certainly not ROI in the form of 'return of gain from investment divided by cost of investment' as you referenced in an earlier post.
To be precise, this one :

Shortly after launch, Dash price was around $0.74. Now it's around $100. So ROI (according to the definition that I posted which you negate) is:

[ Current value of investment ($100) - Cost of investment ($0.74) ] / [Cost of investment ($0.74)]

 = 134

 = 13,400%

Which squares with coinmarketcap's >9000%.

[qwizzie]

Does that mean you think coinmarketcap is scammy in their definition of ROI ?

What are you talking about ?

coimerketcap's definition is correct. Yours is wrong.

They have the cost of the Dash the denominator. You have the Dash itself on the denominator.

Are both ROI's calculated the same way ? Does coinmarketcap calculate their ROI % also as 'current value of investment - cost of investment divided by cost of investment' ?
And what about coinmarketcap's different definition of ROI ? We currently have two very different looking definitions :

1 : current value of investment - cost of investment divided by cost of investment --> which you keep referring to in pictures
2 : the approx return on investment if purchased at the time of launch (or earliest known price) --> which coinmarketcap and other sources reference

Are those two the same type of ROI ?

[toknormal]

1 : current value of investment - cost of investment divided by cost of investment --> which you keep referring to
2 : the approx return on investment if purchased at the time of launch (or earliest known price) --> which coinmarketcap and other sources reference

Are those two the same type of ROI ?

Yes. They are the same.

"the approx return on investment if purchased at the time of launch (or earliest known price)" = (current value of investment - cost of investment) divided by cost of investment

[qwizzie]

1 : current value of investment - cost of investment divided by cost of investment --> which you keep referring to
2 : the approx return on investment if purchased at the time of launch (or earliest known price) --> which coinmarketcap and other sources reference

Are those two the same type of ROI ?

Yes. They are the same.

"the approx return on investment if purchased at the time of launch (or earliest known price)" = (current value of investment - cost of investment) divided by cost of investment

Okay, then i was mistaken in that area. I thought coinmarketcap calculated ROI differently, and that it was therefore a different type of ROI that they just gave their own definition.

[toknormal]

Superb !

[robertrodriguez]

Superb !

he always throwing you off track/subject, that's what he does. your efforts are in vain, that's his job, to mask and alter the truth all day long, everyday 24/7! but your efforts are much appreciated! we all see who wants to do good and who's the scammer! 

[xkcdd]

he always throwing you off track/subject, that's what he does. your efforts are in vain, that's his job, to mask and alter the truth all day long, everyday 24/7! but your efforts are much appreciated! we all see who wants to do good and who's the scammer! 

Slither back into the filthy orifice whence you came, greaseball. 

[toknormal]

I think the term that's starting to be more commonly applied to this type of thing in crypto is "Yearly yield".

That's what the Atomic Wallet calls it at least when comparing staking rewards across different currencies.

[robertrodriguez]

he always throwing you off track/subject, that's what he does. your efforts are in vain, that's his job, to mask and alter the truth all day long, everyday 24/7! but your efforts are much appreciated! we all see who wants to do good and who's the scammer! 

Slither back into the filthy orifice whence you came, greaseball. 

bitch you are quizzy girlfriend? you faggot worm. you always jump to his defense like a little bitch that you are lol. get lost you little bug

[Pang.]

BTC has sneezed and Dash has caught a cold.

At the moment the reality is what we see, we go up less than BTC for months, and when BTC goes down we go down more.

What panorama awaits the holders?

Nothing new at the moment. The monthly candle that the @quizzie partner expected green, it may not be ... but there are still 10 days until the miracle, and maybe things will change as fast as the weather in spring.


Realistically, if BTC falls to support in the $ 18,000 zone, we are likely to return to $ 70.

It's hard to watch, but I think the holders have accepted it as good.

I hope that the new Dash Platform is a new horizon of uses, beyond a fast and cheap payment  method ... something we already have, but it seems not enough in a universe where that, almost any currency does. .

Greetings to all, and cheers.

[birdonthewire]

BTC has sneezed and Dash has caught a cold.

At the moment the reality is what we see, we go up less than BTC for months, and when BTC goes down we go down more.

What panorama awaits the holders?

Nothing new at the moment. The monthly candle that the @quizzie partner expected green, it may not be ... but there are still 10 days until the miracle, and maybe things will change as fast as the weather in spring.


Realistically, if BTC falls to support in the $ 18,000 zone, we are likely to return to $ 70.

It's hard to watch, but I think the holders have accepted it as good.

I hope that the new Dash Platform is a new horizon of uses, beyond a fast and cheap page method ... something we already have, but it seems not enough in a universe where that, almost any currency does. .

Greetings to all, and cheers.

It really does not matter that DASH technology improves, the only undeniable fact in crypto is that BTC has established itself as a standard and that exponentially increases a wealth extraction capacity that was already notorious and even DNA of the sector.

Better tech qualities of DASH will not eliminate that threat: As long as it is an open trading currency, it will be a wide  door to be drained by BTC or any other hot money that attacks it (the speculative fiat from the delusional emissions of the Global CB that wander around the economy looking for destiny is already entering a huge volume also because BTC is already a new mainstream reference perfectly accepted in certain circles ).

A balanced and progressive growth of DASH - in short, a long-term financial self-sufficiency - is not a technological question, but a strategic and monetary one. But no problem : i'm sure that Manson & Valenzuela "educate" us on this any day.

...Sorry, year ... maybe around 2030...




...or 40...  

[Nthelight]

I think the term that's starting to be more commonly applied to this type of thing in crypto is "Yearly yield".

That's what the Atomic Wallet calls it at least when comparing staking rewards across different currencies.

The term 'yield' is not a bad suggestion either.

[Nthelight]

BTC has sneezed and Dash has caught a cold.

At the moment the reality is what we see, we go up less than BTC for months, and when BTC goes down we go down more.

What panorama awaits the holders?

Nothing new at the moment. The monthly candle that the @quizzie partner expected green, it may not be ... but there are still 10 days until the miracle, and maybe things will change as fast as the weather in spring.

Realistically, if BTC falls to support in the $ 18,000 zone, we are likely to return to $ 70.

It's hard to watch, but I think the holders have accepted it as good.

I hope that the new Dash Platform is a new horizon of uses, beyond a fast and cheap payment  method ... something we already have, but it seems not enough in a universe where that, almost any currency does. .

Greetings to all, and cheers.

Some people keep thinking that BTC is going to fall back. I highly doubt it.

Of course Dash isn't doing as great as we would like, but ask yourself, what can you do about it?

Almost any cryptocurrency has fast and cheap transactions? You lost me there.

DashPay and Dash Platform will take us to the next level.

[Nthelight]

If anyone thinks Dash is just like any other cryptocurrency out there, you may need a reminder:

[espressodelisi]

If anyone thinks Dash is just like any other cryptocurrency out there, you may need a reminder:

DASH since many years is the best curreny. I think we waited and lost lots of time to market it by waiting the long awaited evolution.
Dash platfor (formerly named avolution) is good, yer very good but before that dash is better than most currencies. Lets not wait for it.

[Nthelight]

If anyone thinks Dash is just like any other cryptocurrency out there, you may need a reminder:

DASH since many years is the best curreny. I think we waited and lost lots of time to market it by waiting the long awaited evolution.
Dash platfor (formerly named avolution) is good, yer very good but before that dash is better than most currencies. Lets not wait for it.

Don't wait for DCG to solve the marketing problem. It's not their strength. They have an incredibly powerful development team like no other in the cryptocurrency space, but strong promotion skills are missing. We need to fill in that gap ourselves. It's really going to depend on the community becoming active and making noise.

Ask what you can do to promote Dash and spread the word.

Join the effort to pump our social media presence.

Show the world why you're invested in Dash.

[jdmcg]

Realistically, if BTC falls to support in the $ 18,000 zone, we are likely to return to $ 70.

This is more or less my prediction... I expect 1st or 2nd week of January BTC breaks below $20K and tests its 21 weekly moving average which should be somewhere around $17K by then... all the alts will get crushed either posting new ATLs vs BTC or double bottoming.

From there though I predict the alt season begins and as BTC roars back above $20K there will be some alts that 7-10x by February. Maybe DASH, maybe not. But likely by April, any alt left behind would have caught up anyway.

This is all based on my continual learning of technical analysis and how predictable we all seem to be so consider it for entertainment purposes only. I may be completely wrong and BTC hits $30K next week (I just don't see that happening right now).

I also think by fall of 2021... LTC, XMR, ETH, etc and of course DASH holders will all be very happy.