[CLOSED] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers

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Eleuthria, I'm sorry for your problems. I had similar issue with over-paying people few weeks ago during database issue. Thankfully I can keep really low balance on my hot wallet, so it didn't hurt me so much (and I'm also educated by paying school fee 3000 BTC year ago). I also contacted users and around 50% people responded and sent coins back. The rest simply didn't respond. But what an idiot from that pastebin...?

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[ThickAsThieves]

Goodbye faith in humanity: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6W3NvW8T

That's way more hideous than if he hadn't replied at all...

[BitSyncom]

Goodbye faith in humanity: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6W3NvW8T

what a deal, dignity worth less $2,300.

[beekeeper]

what a deal, dignity worth less $2,300.

Lol, such sociopath isn't able to conceptualize "dignity"..

[-ck]

Holy crap 

For what it's worth, I've moved my mining to this pool for now. Eleuthria you need to add a donation% option to allow us to donate above the usual pool fee.

[DrG]

Yeah what an asshat.  Go ahead and post his/her info.  I'm sure some people on here with some "technical support" would be happy to pay him/her a cyber visit (if not a real visit).  That and just believe in karma.

[ThickAsThieves]

Yeah what an asshat.  Go ahead and post his/her info.  I'm sure some people on here with some "technical support" would be happy to pay him/her a cyber visit (if not a real visit).  That and just believe in karma.

While i do think the guy is obnoxious, please think twice before releasing his info if you have it.

[DrG]

When you mine at a pool there is a certain level on anonymity to be expected, but there is also a set of guidelines that your are supposed to follow.  It may not be explicitly stated but blatantly stealing (and this guy knows he is stealing) is not commiserate with the ideals of the Bitcoin community.  I don't recall signing a huge legal form when applying to BTCGuild but perhaps it may be warranted for all guild operators to make their miners sign forms.

Nobody makes you mine on a pool.  It's your choice.  The behavior exemplified above is exactly the kind of person the Bitcoin community does not need.  It's not some cultural or ethnic bias that we may have - I don't see how anyone can justify that behavior as being proper.  If you rat that person out then he/she has no chance in hell of scamming or stealing from somebody else.

It's not like the person is selling marijuana which may or may not agree with an individuals viewpoint/cultural bias. The person is blatantly and willfully violating the trust of Bitcoin network and for that he/she should be reprimanded.

[beekeeper]

Holy crap 

For what it's worth, I've moved my mining to this pool for now. Eleuthria you need to add a donation% option to allow us to donate above the usual pool fee.

I was thinking about something similar. However, in order to get it working, he should send a personal mail to all pool users, just hanging a donate button there wont be enough.
Since I mine PPS, I actually leaved pool for the moment.

[ThickAsThieves]

When you mine at a pool there is a certain level on anonymity to be expected, but there is also a set of guidelines that your are supposed to follow.  It may not be explicitly stated but blatantly stealing (and this guy knows he is stealing) is not commiserate with the ideals of the Bitcoin community.  I don't recall signing a huge legal form when applying to BTCGuild but perhaps it may be warranted for all guild operators to make their miners sign forms.

Nobody makes you mine on a pool.  It's your choice.  The behavior exemplified above is exactly the kind of person the Bitcoin community does not need.  It's not some cultural or ethnic bias that we may have - I don't see how anyone can justify that behavior as being proper.  If you rat that person out then he/she has no chance in hell of scamming or stealing from somebody else.

It's not like the person is selling marijuana which may or may not agree with an individuals viewpoint/cultural bias. The person is blatantly and willfully violating the trust of Bitcoin network and for that he/she should be reprimanded.

The guy was a jerk, but I disagree with your logic. If anonymity is off the table, and if miners are called thieves when the pool operator makes mistake, why would anyone mine there? The pool manager then becomes judge, jury, and executioner. What if someone murders the "thief" based on personal contact info revealed? What if someone robs him of 10x more coins than he got? What's "fair"?

Whether he pays the coin back is mostly a moral issue, as they were given to him, not stolen. Ultimately it was the responsibility of the pool to manage the coins.

[beekeeper]

Whether he pays the coin back is mostly a moral issue, as they were given to him, not stolen. Ultimately it was the responsibility of the pool to manage the coins.

If bank places by mistake 10k into your account, and you cash it out, your will probably rot in jail..

[ThickAsThieves]

Whether he pays the coin back is mostly a moral issue, as they were given to him, not stolen. Ultimately it was the responsibility of the pool to manage the coins.

If bank places by mistake 10k into your account, and you cash it out, your will probably rot in jail..

Reference?

[MPOE-PR]

So basically, Asicminer got 1k free BTC, are not disgorging?

This is the Asicminer pool right?

[DrG]

When you mine at a pool there is a certain level on anonymity to be expected, but there is also a set of guidelines that your are supposed to follow.  It may not be explicitly stated but blatantly stealing (and this guy knows he is stealing) is not commiserate with the ideals of the Bitcoin community.  I don't recall signing a huge legal form when applying to BTCGuild but perhaps it may be warranted for all guild operators to make their miners sign forms.

Nobody makes you mine on a pool.  It's your choice.  The behavior exemplified above is exactly the kind of person the Bitcoin community does not need.  It's not some cultural or ethnic bias that we may have - I don't see how anyone can justify that behavior as being proper.  If you rat that person out then he/she has no chance in hell of scamming or stealing from somebody else.

It's not like the person is selling marijuana which may or may not agree with an individuals viewpoint/cultural bias. The person is blatantly and willfully violating the trust of Bitcoin network and for that he/she should be reprimanded.

The guy was a jerk, but I disagree with your logic. If anonymity is off the table, and if miners are called thieves when the pool operator makes mistake, why would anyone mine there? The pool manager then becomes judge, jury, and executioner. What if someone murders the "thief" based on personal contact info revealed? What if someone robs him of 10x more coins than he got? What's "fair"?

Whether he pays the coin back is mostly a moral issue, as they were given to him, not stolen. Ultimately it was the responsibility of the pool to manage the coins.

The pool operator did make a mistake and admitted to it.  He did not openly call all those who received overpayment thieves but he did state they probably knew what they were doing.  The fact that the operator contacted said person and politely asked for the funds is the correct thing to do is it not?

The fact that the alleged thief laughed in his face is not the correct thing to do is it not?  The operator did not enforce any action on this individual. If you know eleuthria then you would know he is a very stand-up guy - the kind that refunds fees when somebody pays too much by making a simple mistake.  It is for the bitcoin community to make a judgement as to what to do.

As for your what ifs... well if somebody feels a need to murder another individual over 47 Bitcoin then we have a real problem with our community do we not?  Its not like I or eleuthria said to go pummel the guy's head with a baseball bat.  I am owed hundreds of thousands of dollars by many patients and I have never sent one to collections because although I would be legally justified to collect payment for my services people would see it as avarice greed.  Nor have I used guidos to collect payment...

Releasing the info will simply alert people to avoid dealing with the said individual.  Again if some newbie doesn't due his due diligence he would conned from this crook, but I don't think the members of this forums should be subject to having to deal with such people.

Where is the logic failure here?

[eleuthria]

So basically, Asicminer got 1k free BTC, are not disgorging?

This is the Asicminer pool right?

ASICMINER mines here and on ozcoin (possibly another pool by now as well).  ASICMINER only makes up about 25-30% of the pool, and they were not overpaid.  Only a small subset of miners on the mergedmining pool were credited too much.  Of those miners, only 16 were able to cash out before the hot wallet was empty.

[SolarSilver]

So basically, Asicminer got 1k free BTC, are not disgorging?

This is the Asicminer pool right?

I don't think ASICminer does merged mining, they are using the stratum servers (I hope)

by the way eleuthria, the mergedmining.btcguild.com server is not listed on https://www.btcguild.com/index.php?page=support

[organofcorti]

Whether he pays the coin back is mostly a moral issue, as they were given to him, not stolen. Ultimately it was the responsibility of the pool to manage the coins.

If bank places by mistake 10k into your account, and you cash it out, your will probably rot in jail..

Reference?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_unjust_enrichment_law

[eleuthria]

Holy crap 

For what it's worth, I've moved my mining to this pool for now. Eleuthria you need to add a donation% option to allow us to donate above the usual pool fee.

Thanks for the support.  In the past I've been very stubborn on the idea that if a pool charges a fee, there shouldn't be another box asking you to "donate" more than that fee.  On a 0% pool, sure.

But at this point, I may put up some kind of donate button.  So far only one user has made a positive response about how to return the money, which would reduce the amount lost from 1,254 to 1,207.  At this point I'll take every coin I can get because it is going to take a long time to earn that amount back.

[organofcorti]

Holy crap 

For what it's worth, I've moved my mining to this pool for now. Eleuthria you need to add a donation% option to allow us to donate above the usual pool fee.

Thanks for the support.  In the past I've been very stubborn on the idea that if a pool charges a fee, there shouldn't be another box asking you to "donate" more than that fee.  On a 0% pool, sure.

But at this point, I may put up some kind of donate button.  So far only one user has made a positive response about how to return the money, which would reduce the amount lost from 1,254 to 1,207.  At this point I'll take every coin I can get because it is going to take a long time to earn that amount back.

Make it a donation button on the site and non-miners can also contribute.

[beekeeper]

Also add option for pool users to donate x percent of their mined bitcoins to pool. And send an e-mail anyone who used lately the pool and ask them to help with donations to keep things going.