ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[bitgov]

Just out of curiosity i want to ask you guys what do you think about covered criket stadiums? Is there a possibility that these could be the future? I understand that permanently covered stadiums are obviously not practical as pitches need a lot of sunlight for preparation. But some sort of infrastructure where the sheds can be opened and closed. This obviously will be pretty costly but would be worth the cost for sure.

Covered stadiums do solve this problem but it also presents different challenges as well.

These stadiums are costly. Australia built one back in 2000s and the cost was around $300 Million. You can imagine how much it would cost now, a conservative estimate should be around Billion dollars. Not every board can afford it, even BCCI.

Having said that if these stadiums host multiple sports throughout the year then there is a chance this idea could work because you don't want billion dollar stadium only hosting 5 matches every year (15-20 events should cover the cost)

For sunlight issue, drop in pitches looks okay.

There are going to be a lot of problems with covered stadiums. First of all, as JSRAW said, it is going to cost a lot of money and I don’t think ICC is ready to spend that kind of money. They are more interested in having money for themselves. And the infrastructure is going to be have to maintained properly, otherwise, there can be a lot of accidents. And another thing is there are a lot of cricket boards that cannot even afford the DRS system. So building a stadium like that is going to be very hard for them.

But it can be good for cricket in the long run. The bad system of Duckworth Lewis is not going to have any kind of affect if stadiums like that are made. But honestly, I think we are a long way away from getting stadiums like that.

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There are going to be a lot of problems with covered stadiums. First of all, as JSRAW said, it is going to cost a lot of money and I don’t think ICC is ready to spend that kind of money. They are more interested in having money for themselves. And the infrastructure is going to be have to maintained properly, otherwise, there can be a lot of accidents. And another thing is there are a lot of cricket boards that cannot even afford the DRS system. So building a stadium like that is going to be very hard for them.
But it can be good for cricket in the long run. The bad system of Duckworth Lewis is not going to have any kind of affect if stadiums like that are made. But honestly, I think we are a long way away from getting stadiums like that.

Right now only Australia has grounds that is covered, rest India and England can also build such stadium but not small boards like Srilanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Just like no one imagined ten years ago how cricket will shift away from ODI and Test to T20, we cant say covered stadiums will never be a reality.
DRS is a good thing but DLS is something I dont understand and like at all.

As far as cricket is concerned, there is no way a covered stadium is supposed to be possible. In order to cope with the rain, the ICC will have to find another solution. At the moment, the best way to go about getting that done is to reserve a date for the major matches, which is the best way to go about it. Other than that, I don't think there are any other options that will work because either they are too expensive or they are simply too unrealistic to be a viable option.

[Vaskiy]

There are going to be a lot of problems with covered stadiums. First of all, as JSRAW said, it is going to cost a lot of money and I don’t think ICC is ready to spend that kind of money. They are more interested in having money for themselves. And the infrastructure is going to be have to maintained properly, otherwise, there can be a lot of accidents. And another thing is there are a lot of cricket boards that cannot even afford the DRS system. So building a stadium like that is going to be very hard for them.

But it can be good for cricket in the long run. The bad system of Duckworth Lewis is not going to have any kind of affect if stadiums like that are made. But honestly, I think we are a long way away from getting stadiums like that.

Right now only Australia has grounds that is covered, rest India and England can also build such stadium but not small boards like Srilanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Just like no one imagined ten years ago how cricket will shift away from ODI and Test to T20, we cant say covered stadiums will never be a reality.
DRS is a good thing but DLS is something I dont understand and like at all.

Closed stadiums are the solution, but this will affect the real gaming atmosphere. As mentioned the rich cricket boards can think of it to avoid match cancellation due to poor weather conditions.

DLS according to me is good, but at time it never takes into account the quality of players left behind. Another thing, without this method more number of matches could've ended with no result. DLS is applied if certain number of overs have been played and there is possible chances of playing.

[Sithara007]

Qualifying for the ODI world cup will be extremely difficult for Sri Lanka now. With 4 matches remaining, they are at 67 points. West Indies at 8th place has 88 points, and that means that Sri Lanka needs to win at least 3 out of the remaining 4 matches (1 against Afghanistan, 3 against New Zealand). And that is not all. South Africa is at 49 points, and they have 5 matches remaining. If they win 3 out of 5, then South Africa will qualify with 89 points (2 of their remaining matches are against the weak Netherlands side).

[Haunebu]

One is a left-arm bowler and the other clocks 150s so IMO both are very important for the future.

Agreed. India's primary issue these days is that they don't have many consistent bowlers like Bumrah, Ashwin, Zaheer, Jadeja, Kumble etc across all formats which is something they need to rectify asap.

Ben Stroke has tweeted - Hello Pakistan and Indians are so jealous and tell him to take care of himself - why this kind of messages are sent from across boarder.

What the heck are you talking about shill? He mentioned that he will donate his match fees to Pakistan flood victims.

[pakhitheboss]

Qualifying for the ODI world cup will be extremely difficult for Sri Lanka now. With 4 matches remaining, they are at 67 points. West Indies at 8th place has 88 points, and that means that Sri Lanka needs to win at least 3 out of the remaining 4 matches (1 against Afghanistan, 3 against New Zealand). And that is not all. South Africa is at 49 points, and they have 5 matches remaining. If they win 3 out of 5, then South Africa will qualify with 89 points (2 of their remaining matches are against the weak Netherlands side).

I doubt they will be able to win all the three matches against Newzealand. If the last match against Afghanistan had not been abandoned then they would have two games against them and it would have been a little easier for them to qualify. At the moment it is an impossible task. South Africa might get through this time I feel.

[GigaBit]

Qualifying for the ODI world cup will be extremely difficult for Sri Lanka now. With 4 matches remaining, they are at 67 points. West Indies at 8th place has 88 points, and that means that Sri Lanka needs to win at least 3 out of the remaining 4 matches (1 against Afghanistan, 3 against New Zealand). And that is not all. South Africa is at 49 points, and they have 5 matches remaining. If they win 3 out of 5, then South Africa will qualify with 89 points (2 of their remaining matches are against the weak Netherlands side).

Afghanistan have confirmed their place in the top seven after getting no result in the last ODI match due to rain. Seven teams will directly participate in the upcoming ODI World Cup, those countries are India, England, New Zealand, Australia, Bangladesh ,Pakistan and Afghanistan. But here another team will get a chance but there are a few teams to contend with including West Indies, South Africa, Sri Lanka and Ireland. Recently Sri Lanka's performance is not very satisfactory. Next year there are Test, T20 and ODI series with New Zealand. If we think in terms of current performance of New Zealand then the possibility of losing the series for Sri Lanka definitely high.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

Rank  Team        Points
1)India (hosts) (Q)134
2)England 125
3)NewZealand 125
4)Australia 120
5)Bangladesh 120
6)Pakistan 120
7)Afghanistan 115
8)West Indies 88
9)Ireland 68
10)Sri Lanka 67
11)South Africa 59
12)Zimbabwe 45
13)Netherlands 25
 This is ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup rankings.
Afghanistan qualifies for world cup 2023.

[justdimin]

Qualifying for the ODI world cup will be extremely difficult for Sri Lanka now. With 4 matches remaining, they are at 67 points. West Indies at 8th place has 88 points, and that means that Sri Lanka needs to win at least 3 out of the remaining 4 matches (1 against Afghanistan, 3 against New Zealand). And that is not all. South Africa is at 49 points, and they have 5 matches remaining. If they win 3 out of 5, then South Africa will qualify with 89 points (2 of their remaining matches are against the weak Netherlands side).

Right now, situation is very interesting with seven teams are already in for automatic qualification and remaining all teams are looking for just one spot from current situation I have a feeling most chances South Africa could be last eight team to qualify and after this all teams have to fight for their place into qualification round which is really shameful for the countries like West indies and Sri Lanka after T20i now in ODI they are falling down badly and have to play qualifiers which giving all details about their strength and domestic system which is also falling down badly with this all now it's time for them to do some work for increasing quality and performance in these two formats otherwise this could be ended in a disaster.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/icc-world-cup-super-league-scenarios-west-indies-south-africa-sri-lanka-and-ireland-contest-for-one-spot-1346818

[pakhitheboss]

Rank  Team        Points
1)India (hosts) (Q)134
2)England 125
3)NewZealand 125
4)Australia 120
5)Bangladesh 120
6)Pakistan 120
7)Afghanistan 115
8)West Indies 88
9)Ireland 68
10)Sri Lanka 67
11)South Africa 59
12)Zimbabwe 45
13)Netherlands 25
 This is ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup rankings.
Afghanistan qualifies for world cup 2023.

I wonder what happens if PCB chairman sticks to his word that Pakistan won't come to India to play ODIWC if India doesn't come to Pakistan to play the Asia cup. One thing I am sure India won't come to Pakistan then can Pakistan afford to boycott ODIWC in Indian and if it does then it will be a cakewalk for WI. Intresting situation at the moment only Ramiz Raza can give the direction to what will happen next.

[Juggy777]

Rank  Team        Points
1)India (hosts) (Q)134
2)England 125
3)NewZealand 125
4)Australia 120
5)Bangladesh 120
6)Pakistan 120
7)Afghanistan 115
8)West Indies 88
9)Ireland 68
10)Sri Lanka 67
11)South Africa 59
12)Zimbabwe 45
13)Netherlands 25
 This is ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup rankings.
Afghanistan qualifies for world cup 2023.

I wonder what happens if PCB chairman sticks to his word that Pakistan won't come to India to play ODIWC if India doesn't come to Pakistan to play the Asia cup. One thing I am sure India won't come to Pakistan then can Pakistan afford to boycott ODIWC in Indian and if it does then it will be a cakewalk for WI. Intresting situation at the moment only Ramiz Raza can give the direction to what will happen next.

@pakhitheboss if both the team’s decide to skip the respective tournament’s then ICC should heavily penalise both country’s, because it sets a very bad precedent. Furthermore even if India and Pakistan boards agree to send their team’s I feel that political issue’s may prevent team Indian from travelling, and these same issue’s will prevent from Pakistan entering India and therefore I’m really curious to see how ICC will defuse this situation.

[Naficopa]

Rank  Team        Points
1)India (hosts) (Q)134
2)England 125
3)NewZealand 125
4)Australia 120
5)Bangladesh 120
6)Pakistan 120
7)Afghanistan 115
8)West Indies 88
9)Ireland 68
10)Sri Lanka 67
11)South Africa 59
12)Zimbabwe 45
13)Netherlands 25
 This is ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup rankings.
Afghanistan qualifies for world cup 2023.

I wonder what happens if PCB chairman sticks to his word that Pakistan won't come to India to play ODIWC if India doesn't come to Pakistan to play the Asia cup. One thing I am sure India won't come to Pakistan then can Pakistan afford to boycott ODIWC in Indian and if it does then it will be a cakewalk for WI. Intresting situation at the moment only Ramiz Raza can give the direction to what will happen next.

@pakhitheboss if both the team’s decide to skip the respective tournament’s then ICC should heavily penalise both country’s, because it sets a very bad precedent. Furthermore even if India and Pakistan boards agree to send their team’s I feel that political issue’s may prevent team Indian from travelling, and these same issue’s will prevent from Pakistan entering India and therefore I’m really curious to see how ICC will defuse this situation.

India can refuse to come to Pakistan for Asia Cup and BCCI will definitely give strong reasons for that and tournament will be held at a neutral venue as far as I think, India have that power in ICC . But Pakistan unfortunately cannot do that if world cup is in India Pakistan will go and play there  unless Ramiz Raja do something regarding this thing but this thing has to be settled before hand and peacefully as this is a big thing in international cricket.

[JSRAW]

I wonder what happens if PCB chairman sticks to his word that Pakistan won't come to India to play ODIWC if India doesn't come to Pakistan to play the Asia cup. One thing I am sure India won't come to Pakistan then can Pakistan afford to boycott ODIWC in Indian and if it does then it will be a cakewalk for WI. Intresting situation at the moment only Ramiz Raza can give the direction to what will happen next.

If you ask me then I firmly believe that it would be a pretty stupid and suicidal move from the PCB and I think Rambo also knows that. I guess in this case with his viral and proactive statements he's catering to a domestic audience only for some brownie points.

This would happen next if Pak decides to boycott WC in India.

- They will not receive a single penny from ICC funding. Conservative estimates say that 50-60% of PCB's revenue comes from this pool.
- Possibly some radical response from the BCCI, which is very much possible in a long game of power struggle. Unofficial Ban on every foreign player who is participating in the PSL.

[fullhdpixel]

if both the team’s decide to skip the respective tournament’s then ICC should heavily penalise both country’s, because it sets a very bad precedent. Furthermore even if India and Pakistan boards agree to send their team’s I feel that political issue’s may prevent team Indian from travelling, and these same issue’s will prevent from Pakistan entering India and therefore I’m really curious to see how ICC will defuse this situation.

Even in this case every one is going with his personal view but for me ICC is completely joke because they have never done anything on merit which is now creating issues like these which are surely going to hurt the spirit of the game and no one can do any positive thing for the end of this conflict which is surely not favourable for the game with in other games they are playing against each other and also visiting other countries like we have few days back Indian Tennis team was in Pakistan, but this is just happening in cricket which is really sad.

What will going to happen right now I am now in position to give any final verdict but most chances I have feeling India is 100% not going to play in Pakistan for the Asia Cup with now how Pakistan will give their response this is not clear because now if Pakistan is going to have election then most chances they will also not go to India for World Cup but if we have this government which is currently in then we can expect they will go to India for the World Cup.

[Sithara007]

If you ask me then I firmly believe that it would be a pretty stupid and suicidal move from the PCB and I think Rambo also knows that. I guess in this case with his viral and proactive statements he's catering to a domestic audience only for some brownie points.

This would happen next if Pak decides to boycott WC in India.

- They will not receive a single penny from ICC funding. Conservative estimates say that 50-60% of PCB's revenue comes from this pool.
- Possibly some radical response from the BCCI, which is very much possible in a long game of power struggle. Unofficial Ban on every foreign player who is participating in the PSL.

First of all, PCB needs to increase their revenue. The complex restrictions on live sports coverage (content sharing with the national broadcaster, limitations on advertising.etc) hampers this. And till now, PCB hasn't been successful in utilizing the huge Pakistani diaspora that is living in the GCC nations such as Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. And also, they need to build good relationship with other boards. Rameez is moving in the right direction, but at this point he should be careful not to take any drastic steps.

[lixer]

If you ask me then I firmly believe that it would be a pretty stupid and suicidal move from the PCB and I think Rambo also knows that. I guess in this case with his viral and proactive statements he's catering to a domestic audience only for some brownie points.

This would happen next if Pak decides to boycott WC in India.

- They will not receive a single penny from ICC funding. Conservative estimates say that 50-60% of PCB's revenue comes from this pool.
- Possibly some radical response from the BCCI, which is very much possible in a long game of power struggle. Unofficial Ban on every foreign player who is participating in the PSL.

Right now, my feeling is Rambo also understand ground realities his statement, but he is trying to play mind games for having some sympathy which is not going to work for them in current time because India and BCCI is having powerful role in ICC, and they will never go behind from their statement about Asia Cup and PCB surely going to send their team for the next world cup in India because they can't afford to lose this funding which is covering good part of their budget.

But one thing is surely right now ICC or BCCI can't play any role in PSL as they ban foreign players things like these are not going to happen because they all also understand how things are working here in this region but still we have nearly 11 months hopefully we will have positive development in this case, and we will have good news about this all issue which is no easy.

[kro55]

if both the team’s decide to skip the respective tournament’s then ICC should heavily penalise both country’s, because it sets a very bad precedent. Furthermore even if India and Pakistan boards agree to send their team’s I feel that political issue’s may prevent team Indian from travelling, and these same issue’s will prevent from Pakistan entering India and therefore I’m really curious to see how ICC will defuse this situation.

Even in this case every one is going with his personal view but for me ICC is completely joke because they have never done anything on merit which is now creating issues like these which are surely going to hurt the spirit of the game and no one can do any positive thing for the end of this conflict which is surely not favourable for the game with in other games they are playing against each other and also visiting other countries like we have few days back Indian Tennis team was in Pakistan, but this is just happening in cricket which is really sad.
What will going to happen right now I am now in position to give any final verdict but most chances I have feeling India is 100% not going to play in Pakistan for the Asia Cup with now how Pakistan will give their response this is not clear because now if Pakistan is going to have election then most chances they will also not go to India for World Cup but if we have this government which is currently in then we can expect they will go to India for the World Cup.

Pakistan should be smart. Even if India does not come to Pakistan, it doesn't matter what excuse they make, it is not going to hurt India that much in my opinion. But on the other hand, if Pakistan does end up boycotting that One Day International World Cup it is going to hurt them a lot. I really do not want to see that happen.

On the other hand, the ICC will also not want that to happen because Pakistan VS India is the biggest money-making fixture for them. And with the current situation, the current political situation in Pakistan, it will be very easy for India to say that Pakistan is not capable of providing them with enough security.

That way, I see it, Pakistan has a lot more to lose in the situation compared to India. So, they should be very smart about this.

[pakhitheboss]

India VS Newzealand

The third and the final ODI will be played today. Newzealand have won the toss and selected to bowl first. Considering the first ODI if India wants to win the last match they would need a target of 320 plus. The weather at the moment looks okay but rain is predicted today. I do not want this match to get abandoned like the second ODI due to rain. If it does then Newzealand will win the series.
 

[rojan]

New Zealand vs India 3rd ODI New Zealand won the toss and decided to bowl.  India are now batting 25 runs in 7.3 overs. India's run rate is now 3.26.  Shubman Gill scored 5 runs from 18 balls. Shikhar Dhawan scored 25 runs from 30 balls. New Zealand and India players played very well in this match. But I think if India can score 300 runs in this match then India has a chance to win.

[pakhitheboss]

India VS Newzealand

The third and the final ODI will be played today. Newzealand have won the toss and selected to bowl first. Considering the first ODI if India wants to win the last match they would need a target of 320 plus. The weather at the moment looks okay but rain is predicted today. I do not want this match to get abandoned like the second ODI due to rain. If it does then Newzealand will win the series.
 

It is still not clear which team will win between India and New Zealand. With Shikhar Dhawan and one other player out, it looks like India will not be able to score 300 runs in this match. New Zealand bowlers are bowling well. India batting is under pressure. New Zealand bowler Adam Milne has 28 runs in 5 overs  Got two wickets

India is in pretty bad situation at the moment. I now doubt they will be able to give a decent target of 200+. The match has been completed dominated by the Kiwis bowlers. Not much batting left for India now. Tail enders need to form a partnership if India needs to set up a decent target for the NZ batters