ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Sithara007]

Yeah, you are right about local talent and i'm in favor of 5 foreign player in the playing XI, may be it could become reality in next 5-7 years when IPL expand to 12-14 teams, may be? Yes, There is a possibility of franchise recruiting or ending up with average or mediocre talent but i look at this differently. For young uncapped players playing in the IPL is learning platform, that's where they get to meet with top international players, top quality coaches etc. This doesn't happen in the domestic level regularly. Out of 30 uncapped players if we get 5-8 guys like Paddikal, Gaikwad, Venkatesh Iyer, Abdul Samad, Natarajan, Umran Malik etc kind of players then i would say IPL serving its purpose.

12-14 will be pushing it too far. I am not sure whether it can happen within the next decade. IPL started in 2008 and it took 14 years to expand from 8 teams to 10. The next expansion to 12 teams may also take a similar duration. Even now there are a lot of doubts about whether the 10-team format will work out properly in 2022. IMO, a better option would be to add a second tier league with 10 more teams, with the top most team being promoted to the IPL (and the lowest ranking side of the IPL relegated).

[coinism]

Guys please stop this all because we have one dedicated thread for all twenty/20 related discussion so better move on and talk about this all here we have to talk about ODI is much better.

Now if anyone wants to talk about twenty/20 IPL or BBL then move here and start your discussion thanks for understanding

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Thanks for highlighting this issue but even then people are talking about IPL here. Since this thread is about ODIs, we dont have any ODI series going on right now as WCT20 is about to begin. People are beyond any doubt getting crazy about IPL. The way things are going very soon we will have only IPL left to discuss in whole cricket eco system.

[UmerIdrees]

Guys please stop this all because we have one dedicated thread for all twenty/20 related discussion so better move on and talk about this all here we have to talk about ODI is much better.

Now if anyone wants to talk about twenty/20 IPL or BBL then move here and start your discussion thanks for understanding

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5102095.0;topicseen

Thanks for highlighting this issue but even then people are talking about IPL here. Since this thread is about ODIs, we dont have any ODI series going on right now as WCT20 is about to begin. People are beyond any doubt getting crazy about IPL. The way things are going very soon we will have only IPL left to discuss in whole cricket eco system.

That's what BCCI wants    It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

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That's what BCCI wants    It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

Everyone else is understanding the monopoly but the other cricket boards are not protesting and if there is a combined protest do you think that the ICC will not listen to their complaints.

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

Looks like you wanted to say 2 billion dollars but you claimed to have 2 million. A single board is having a net worth two billion dollars is absolutely crazy and since you pin pointed this, i wanted to know the net revenue each cricket board makes.

[JSRAW]

Yeah, you are right about local talent and i'm in favor of 5 foreign player in the playing XI, may be it could become reality in next 5-7 years when IPL expand to 12-14 teams, may be? Yes, There is a possibility of franchise recruiting or ending up with average or mediocre talent but i look at this differently. For young uncapped players playing in the IPL is learning platform, that's where they get to meet with top international players, top quality coaches etc. This doesn't happen in the domestic level regularly. Out of 30 uncapped players if we get 5-8 guys like Paddikal, Gaikwad, Venkatesh Iyer, Abdul Samad, Natarajan, Umran Malik etc kind of players then i would say IPL serving its purpose.

12-14 will be pushing it too far. I am not sure whether it can happen within the next decade. IPL started in 2008 and it took 14 years to expand from 8 teams to 10. The next expansion to 12 teams may also take a similar duration. Even now there are a lot of doubts about whether the 10-team format will work out properly in 2022. IMO, a better option would be to add a second tier league with 10 more teams, with the top most team being promoted to the IPL (and the lowest ranking side of the IPL relegated).

May be bit too much but I'm fan of 16 team format be it International ICC tourney or IPL so i won't mind if they give a green lights to couple of more team, if not 14. I'm not sure if its going to work out due to schedule and i'm skeptical if second tier league would be that effective in context of IPL because there is already Syed Mustaq Ali trophy running every year along with handful regional T-20 Tournaments.

[Sithara007]

May be bit too much but I'm fan of 16 team format be it International ICC tourney or IPL so i won't mind if they give a green lights to couple of more team, if not 14. I'm not sure if its going to work out due to schedule and i'm skeptical if second tier league would be that effective in context of IPL because there is already Syed Mustaq Ali trophy running every year along with handful regional T-20 Tournaments.

Viewership is pretty low for the Syed Mustaq Ali trophy, and national players mostly avoid it. A second tier league with 4-5 foreign players in the playing XI would increase the viewership, and at the same time may give some exposure to tier-2 and tier-3 cities such as Coimbatore, Guwahati, Shimla, Srinagar and Udaipur. The  English Premier League has a 20-team structure, but then it doesn't have any useless salary cap or foreign player restriction. IPL can be conducted in a similar format, but then the number of one sided matches would increase.

[bilal_jan321]

That's what BCCI wants    It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

Dominance of BCCI will remain in cricket world for at-least 2 to 3 years or may be beyond that. I really doubt that BCCI net worth is just 2 billion USD, it will be way more then that since the amount they are investing in IPL is huge. ICC major chunk of money is also coming from BCCI. Correct me if I am wrong.

Everyone else is understanding the monopoly but the other cricket boards are not protesting and if there is a combined protest do you think that the ICC will not listen to their complaints.

you are right, there are 3 big boards but there are 5 small boards also. If 2 or 3 small boards unite together then ICC has no other option left but to listen to them. But they are not doing it since they don't wanna lose IPL contracts.

[perfect999]

Viewership is pretty low for the Syed Mustaq Ali trophy, and national players mostly avoid it. A second tier league with 4-5 foreign players in the playing XI would increase the viewership, and at the same time may give some exposure to tier-2 and tier-3 cities such as Coimbatore, Guwahati, Shimla, Srinagar and Udaipur. The  English Premier League has a 20-team structure, but then it doesn't have any useless salary cap or foreign player restriction. IPL can be conducted in a similar format, but then the number of one sided matches would increase.

English Premier League is completely different from Indian Premier League we can't compare these because they have massive market and their few policies are also not applicable here in Indian Premier League like in few clubs they have no local player mostly dominant by foreign players and there are no restrictions from their The FA about anything. Here, you can't play more than 4 foreign players.

For me, it is good idea if they like to go all through English Premier League then surely they will be able to have massive revenue and exposure will also very big instead of current with nearly 16 to 20 teams, but it's need some very long time as well as 5 to 6 months which kill all other cricket.

[UmerIdrees]

That's what BCCI wants    It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

Dominance of BCCI will remain in cricket world for at-least 2 to 3 years or may be beyond that. I really doubt that BCCI net worth is just 2 billion USD, it will be way more then that since the amount they are investing in IPL is huge. ICC major chunk of money is also coming from BCCI. Correct me if I am wrong.

Everyone else is understanding the monopoly but the other cricket boards are not protesting and if there is a combined protest do you think that the ICC will not listen to their complaints.

you are right, there are 3 big boards but there are 5 small boards also. If 2 or 3 small boards unite together then ICC has no other option left but to listen to them. But they are not doing it since they don't wanna lose IPL contracts.

First the smaller boards are not willing to unite or stand on a stance. Secondly even they combine together, they won't be able to generate the funds to support the cricket.

Ramiz Raja, the chairman of Pakistan cricket board, told in an recent interview, that if ICC stop funding our board PCB, the cricket board will collapse. So in such situation , no one can speak against the policies of ICC.

[JSRAW]

May be bit too much but I'm fan of 16 team format be it International ICC tourney or IPL so i won't mind if they give a green lights to couple of more team, if not 14. I'm not sure if its going to work out due to schedule and i'm skeptical if second tier league would be that effective in context of IPL because there is already Syed Mustaq Ali trophy running every year along with handful regional T-20 Tournaments.

Viewership is pretty low for the Syed Mustaq Ali trophy, and national players mostly avoid it. A second tier league with 4-5 foreign players in the playing XI would increase the viewership, and at the same time may give some exposure to tier-2 and tier-3 cities such as Coimbatore, Guwahati, Shimla, Srinagar and Udaipur. The  English Premier League has a 20-team structure, but then it doesn't have any useless salary cap or foreign player restriction. IPL can be conducted in a similar format, but then the number of one sided matches would increase.

Starting new second tier league looks odd to me when they already have few, schedule is major roadblock. IMO the best approach would be allowing foreign players to participate in Ranji, Sayed Mustaq Ali Trophy or Domestic season similar to County Cricket. It has some challenge like salary expectation for SENA players but this could be win-win situation for every party.

- Countries like SL, Ban, Afg, Ire, Zim and associates members can also take benefit. Teams like Afg, Ire and associates members don't get to play much 4 days cricket anyway.
- SENA players can finally learn how to play spin.
- Local players quality will increase and more competitive cricket in domestic arena.

**County allow 2 players in the team, BCCI can start with 1 and see how it goes

[Vaskiy]

May be bit too much but I'm fan of 16 team format be it International ICC tourney or IPL so i won't mind if they give a green lights to couple of more team, if not 14. I'm not sure if its going to work out due to schedule and i'm skeptical if second tier league would be that effective in context of IPL because there is already Syed Mustaq Ali trophy running every year along with handful regional T-20 Tournaments.

Viewership is pretty low for the Syed Mustaq Ali trophy, and national players mostly avoid it. A second tier league with 4-5 foreign players in the playing XI would increase the viewership, and at the same time may give some exposure to tier-2 and tier-3 cities such as Coimbatore, Guwahati, Shimla, Srinagar and Udaipur. The  English Premier League has a 20-team structure, but then it doesn't have any useless salary cap or foreign player restriction. IPL can be conducted in a similar format, but then the number of one sided matches would increase.

Starting new second tier league looks odd to me when they already have few, schedule is major roadblock. IMO the best approach would be allowing foreign players to participate in Ranji, Sayed Mustaq Ali Trophy or Domestic season similar to County Cricket. It has some challenge like salary expectation for SENA players but this could be win-win situation for every party.

- Countries like SL, Ban, Afg, Ire, Zim and associates members can also take benefit. Teams like Afg, Ire and associates members don't get to play much 4 days cricket anyway.
- SENA players can finally learn how to play spin.
- Local players quality will increase and more competitive cricket in domestic arena.

**County allow 2 players in the team, BCCI can start with 1 and see how it goes

That's what BCCI wants    It's a shame that ICC is unable to control the monopoly but unfortunately they are too late now.

According to some reports BCCI has a net worth of 2 million dollars while ICC has a net worth of 2.5 billion dollar, just half a billion more than BCCI. This can be flipped anytime.

Dominance of BCCI will remain in cricket world for at-least 2 to 3 years or may be beyond that. I really doubt that BCCI net worth is just 2 billion USD, it will be way more then that since the amount they are investing in IPL is huge. ICC major chunk of money is also coming from BCCI. Correct me if I am wrong.

Everyone else is understanding the monopoly but the other cricket boards are not protesting and if there is a combined protest do you think that the ICC will not listen to their complaints.

you are right, there are 3 big boards but there are 5 small boards also. If 2 or 3 small boards unite together then ICC has no other option left but to listen to them. But they are not doing it since they don't wanna lose IPL contracts.

First the smaller boards are not willing to unite or stand on a stance. Secondly even they combine together, they won't be able to generate the funds to support the cricket.

Ramiz Raja, the chairman of Pakistan cricket board, told in an recent interview, that if ICC stop funding our board PCB, the cricket board will collapse. So in such situation , no one can speak against the policies of ICC.

This is the fact and the true situation of Cricket boards. Going one by one each and every cricket board has got financial issues. Even the top order team board are into it. This won't get a conclusion or a perfection in performance until the functional governments of every country start funding. As of now I find India to be the only country that doesn't have any financial issue and the cricket board has got more deciding power than rest of the boards. This needs to change.

[Sithara007]

Starting new second tier league looks odd to me when they already have few, schedule is major roadblock. IMO the best approach would be allowing foreign players to participate in Ranji, Sayed Mustaq Ali Trophy or Domestic season similar to County Cricket. It has some challenge like salary expectation for SENA players but this could be win-win situation for every party.

- Countries like SL, Ban, Afg, Ire, Zim and associates members can also take benefit. Teams like Afg, Ire and associates members don't get to play much 4 days cricket anyway.
- SENA players can finally learn how to play spin.
- Local players quality will increase and more competitive cricket in domestic arena.

**County allow 2 players in the team, BCCI can start with 1 and see how it goes

Some of the suggestions are good. Senior players like Virat and Rohit hardly takes part in domestic cricket these days, and that reduces the overall viewership and fan interest. The addition of foreign players can slightly reverse that trend. But I don't know whether the state associations would agree to this suggestion. At least a section would argue that cricket in smaller countries should not be developed at the expense of promising young cricketers in India. And for players from countries like England and Australia, the low salary will be an issue. The match fee for experienced players in Ranji Trophy is around ₹240,000 per 4-day match ($3,200).

[CryptoCraze11]

This is the fact and the true situation of Cricket boards. Going one by one each and every cricket board has got financial issues. Even the top order team board are into it. This won't get a conclusion or a perfection in performance until the functional governments of every country start funding. As of now I find India to be the only country that doesn't have any financial issue and the cricket board has got more deciding power than rest of the boards. This needs to change.

Well as of now no board is looking towards icc as they know how worthless icc is after the formation of big 3. Everyone board knows his survival is to stick with one of big 3. Even players are not listening to boards since they are getting huge money in IPL.

Ramiz Raja, the chairman of Pakistan cricket board, told in an recent interview, that if ICC stop funding our board PCB, the cricket board will collapse. So in such situation , no one can speak against the policies of ICC.

This is clear example of how a board despite having talented players is sidelined because of its differences with India.

[bilal_jan321]

This is the fact and the true situation of Cricket boards. Going one by one each and every cricket board has got financial issues. Even the top order team board are into it. This won't get a conclusion or a perfection in performance until the functional governments of every country start funding. As of now I find India to be the only country that doesn't have any financial issue and the cricket board has got more deciding power than rest of the boards. This needs to change.

I think its just a matter of time before things will settled in cricket. I mean money just arrived in cricket that's why few big boards are dominating for past 5 to 6 years. With time small boards will start voicing for there rights and that will be the moment when we have stronger n neutral icc. It's just a matter of time, just relax n enjoy the moment.

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I think its just a matter of time before things will settled in cricket. I mean money just arrived in cricket that's why few big boards are dominating for past 5 to 6 years. With time small boards will start voicing for there rights and that will be the moment when we have stronger n neutral icc. It's just a matter of time, just relax n enjoy the moment.

Due to this Covid-19 not only cricket boards many other sports Associations and businesses are suffering very badly one of my friend starts a small shop just in January 2020, and we have very long lock down which hurt him very badly, and now he is already out of this business and looking for some job or any stuff. Now you can imagine what happening we will have some after shocks as well but hopefully now in next few months things could be better, and we will be able to have some better and positive things which was happening back in 2018 and 2019 could be back for all of us.

Now after this T20 world cup many events coming and few teams also going for bilateral series which will bring revenue and better financial opportunities.

[Sithara007]

I think its just a matter of time before things will settled in cricket. I mean money just arrived in cricket that's why few big boards are dominating for past 5 to 6 years. With time small boards will start voicing for there rights and that will be the moment when we have stronger n neutral icc. It's just a matter of time, just relax n enjoy the moment.

As long as the BCCI dominates the ICC, this situation will continue. The other big boards (ECB, CA and CNZ) are not as powerful as the BCCI, but they act like the sidekicks of the Indian board and try to get a disproportionate share of the revenue for themselves. All that said, I would say that the issues doesn't lies with the BCCI. The real problem lies in the way cricket is being administered. All the other sports bodies (FIFA, FIBA, FILA, IOC, FIH.etc) are being administered by former players. But in case of cricket, most of those at the top are businessmen who care only about money.

[JSRAW]

Starting new second tier league looks odd to me when they already have few, schedule is major roadblock. IMO the best approach would be allowing foreign players to participate in Ranji, Sayed Mustaq Ali Trophy or Domestic season similar to County Cricket. It has some challenge like salary expectation for SENA players but this could be win-win situation for every party.

- Countries like SL, Ban, Afg, Ire, Zim and associates members can also take benefit. Teams like Afg, Ire and associates members don't get to play much 4 days cricket anyway.
- SENA players can finally learn how to play spin.
- Local players quality will increase and more competitive cricket in domestic arena.

**County allow 2 players in the team, BCCI can start with 1 and see how it goes

Some of the suggestions are good. Senior players like Virat and Rohit hardly takes part in domestic cricket these days, and that reduces the overall viewership and fan interest. The addition of foreign players can slightly reverse that trend. But I don't know whether the state associations would agree to this suggestion. At least a section would argue that cricket in smaller countries should not be developed at the expense of promising young cricketers in India. And for players from countries like England and Australia, the low salary will be an issue. The match fee for experienced players in Ranji Trophy is around ₹240,000 per 4-day match ($3,200).

We can't expect Premier players or who regularly feature in all 3 format to play in domestic arena. They are already treated like cash cow from the BCCI so adding extra duties in their existing jam packed schedule would be torture. Btw upcoming Sayed Mustaq Trophy is going to be exciting, many famous names are going to play for their respective states.

Yeah you are right. Some board might even put Unmukt Chand kind of example that how he had to leave India and join the ranks in the USA cricket.

I think its just a matter of time before things will settled in cricket. I mean money just arrived in cricket that's why few big boards are dominating for past 5 to 6 years. With time small boards will start voicing for there rights and that will be the moment when we have stronger n neutral icc. It's just a matter of time, just relax n enjoy the moment.

As long as the BCCI dominates the ICC, this situation will continue. The other big boards (ECB, CA and CNZ) are not as powerful as the BCCI, but they act like the sidekicks of the Indian board and try to get a disproportionate share of the revenue for themselves. All that said, I would say that the issues doesn't lies with the BCCI. The real problem lies in the way cricket is being administered. All the other sports bodies (FIFA, FIBA, FILA, IOC, FIH.etc) are being administered by former players. But in case of cricket, most of those at the top are businessmen who care only about money.

This is not accurate reason imo. ICC revenue share is not big for ECB, CA. Big chunk of their revenue comes when they host India in bilateral series, just to give you example CA earned more than $300 Million when India toured Australia and that's how BCCI manipulate the other boards and because of this very reason PCB is pissed off.

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you are right, there are 3 big boards but there are 5 small boards also. If 2 or 3 small boards unite together then ICC has no other option left but to listen to them. But they are not doing it since they don't wanna lose IPL contracts.

So what is the point of complaint as you cannot have it both ways, either the smaller cricket boards join hands and complaint against the injustice or they need to accept the fact that all they need is money and they are satisfied. They are satisfied and yet they are not complaining and yet we are here in this forum complaining about the big three while the ones complaining about them are silent  .

[Sithara007]

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Yeah you are right. Some board might even put Unmukt Chand kind of example that how he had to leave India and join the ranks in the USA cricket.
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The problem here in India is that we have too much talent. There is only one cricket team to represent 1.4 billion people (on the other hand, the cricket team of Bermuda has played the world cup and they have a population of just 70,000). So obviously a lot of talented players like Umukt Chand have no option other than to immigrate to another country, if they want to play international cricket. The ICC has made a mockery of the eligibility rules. Anyone who has arrived in another country on a 6-month tourist visa can play for that country. Teams like Oman and UAE are fielding teams that are 100% comprised of Indian and Pakistani nationals. Given this, why can't the ICC add a couple of additional teams from India to the world cup? They can name them as India B or India C.

[barbara44]

The problem here in India is that we have too much talent. There is only one cricket team to represent 1.4 billion people (on the other hand, the cricket team of Bermuda has played the world cup and they have a population of just 70,000). So obviously a lot of talented players like Umukt Chand have no option other than to immigrate to another country, if they want to play international cricket. The ICC has made a mockery of the eligibility rules. Anyone who has arrived in another country on a 6-month tourist visa can play for that country. Teams like Oman and UAE are fielding teams that are 100% comprised of Indian and Pakistani nationals. Given this, why can't the ICC add a couple of additional teams from India to the world cup? They can name them as India B or India C.

Right now, ICC have no choice because they are doing some good marketing but still have no results which they were expecting just because of this they are allowing few countries with foreign players hopefully in near future they will have some better local players.

In case of allowing more teams from India, it's also not fair with many other boards because every country is going with just one national team so India even with 1.4 billion population is OK with one team because if one Sports authority will start like this than many others also demand things like this mean China also can ask for 2 soccer teams or more teams for many other sports. India need some better marketing in other sports also, specially in soccer and Basketball because these also can give very good and positive results in long run.