ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[KennyR]

Yeh england bowler show himself little bit weak in this ODI as compared to African bowler, and the reason is that they unable to put pressure on them by taking early on wicket in starting overs, just like the African bowler did in starting over.
they dismissed the top order batter of England in early stages and didn't allow them to build a partnership, as a result they play under pressure in entire match but thanks to hareey brook  and Jos Buttler who some how mange to score and put his team away from danger.

I was surprised to see South Africa win comfortably against England despite the English posting a relatively high score thanks to Buttler and Brook as you mentioned. Almost all of the RSA batsmen played well.

Miller is in his prime at the moment primarily thanks to his excellent performance in last year's IPL.

It was easy win for South Africa in both matches. The best thing for South Africa is that there top order is performing and this will help them in upcoming ODI world cup. The ODI world cup will be in India and we know there are mostly batting tracks India. Any team with good batting lineup will defiantly have an edge over one who don't have strong one. South Africa haven't won T20 or ODI world cup despite the fact they have a strong team from day one.

Ok so finally we will be having the 3rd and the last one day match between the two teams tomorrow at Kimberley.

What do we expect of tomorrow's match. Although South Africa have won the series but they should try to white wash England and keep their winning streak. I think if South Africa can win this last ODI, it will be a big set back and upset for the England team.

In the previous ODI nothing favoured England even though they were able to make a good target. The opening order performance is big support for South Africa team. South Africa will surely try to keep its winning streak continue, on the other side England will surely try to have atleast a win. South Africa playing on the much used ground will be a favourable factor. Lets see what happens, as both the teams are almost equal in strength.

[Sithara007]

Today's match between England and South Africa is extremely important as far as the qualification for 2023 is considered. South Africa will be left with 89 points if they win today. They just need to win the remaining two matches against Netherlands to seal their spot. Ireland and West Indies virtually doesn't have any chance to overtake South Africa at this point. Now things will get interesting, if South Africa loses today. In that case, if Sri Lanka is able to win the series against New Zealand by a margin of 3-0, they will qualify for the world cup.

What South Africa doesn't want now is a over-rate penalty or something that would mess up the point table. BTW, England seems to be in big trouble. If they lose today, it will be their sixth straight defeat in an ODI match.

[BobK71]

South Africa Cricket Team vs England Cricket Team in Second ODI Match. South Africa cricket team won the toss and welcome England cricket team to bat. In today's match England cricket team has performed quite well in batting. England cricket team may be able to score 300+ after completing 50 overs in today's match. If the England cricket team can strengthen their bowling line-up in the second innings, they may have a chance to win the match against South Africa.

What a come back from the England team. At one time they were 33 for 2 and they ended up scoring 342 runs. Harry Brook and Jos Buttler scored a massive 80 and 94 each, which helped England to score this big target.

I feel that South Africa won be able to chase this big target. Remember in the first ODI, England failed to chase the target of 298. So chasing big score will not easy here.

Big comeback into the game. 342 runs is a good score, and with the good bowling England can surely win the match. Jos Butler missed his century, though he hasn't lost his wicket. Early wicket loss made this to be a low scoring innings, but the middle order the best to reach a better score. South Africa have reached 33 runs in five overs without losing wickets. De Cock and Bavuma on the crease will try to stand wicket which is a must to chase big targets.

England played well but South Africa turned the match and South Africa won the match by 5 wickets which was a great achievement for South Africa. But at the start of the match there was doubt that South Africa could win but South Africa played very well in the last moment and managed the match very well and they beat England in the last moment to win. It was really commendable for South Africa to play this match

A big target given by England in the last match was easily resisted by South Africa. They won the series by chasing 342 runs. Today will be the last match of that series. Perhaps this series from England was a special gift for South Africa. If England lose in the last match, they have to return by empty hand or white wash which will bring big criticism for their cricket. So maybe they will try their best to ensure victory in today's match.

[Sithara007]

A big target given by England in the last match was easily resisted by South Africa. They won the series by chasing 342 runs. Today will be the last match of that series. Perhaps this series from England was a special gift for South Africa. If England lose in the last match, they have to return by empty hand or white wash which will bring big criticism for their cricket. So maybe they will try their best to ensure victory in today's match.

South Africa should be concerned as well. They are regarded as a team with world class pacers - Anrich Nortje, Kagiso Rabada, Marco Jansen and Lungi Ngidi. But their bowlers leaked plenty of runs in the first two matches. And the less we talk about the spin options - Tabraiz Shamsi and Keshav Maharaj, that better. I would say that there are worrying signs for both the teams, ahead of the 2023 ODI World Cup. And at this point, I would say that South Africa's position is only marginally better than England.

[romero121]

A big target given by England in the last match was easily resisted by South Africa. They won the series by chasing 342 runs. Today will be the last match of that series. Perhaps this series from England was a special gift for South Africa. If England lose in the last match, they have to return by empty hand or white wash which will bring big criticism for their cricket. So maybe they will try their best to ensure victory in today's match.

South Africa should be concerned as well. They are regarded as a team with world class pacers - Anrich Nortje, Kagiso Rabada, Marco Jansen and Lungi Ngidi. But their bowlers leaked plenty of runs in the first two matches. And the less we talk about the spin options - Tabraiz Shamsi and Keshav Maharaj, that better. I would say that there are worrying signs for both the teams, ahead of the 2023 ODI World Cup. And at this point, I would say that South Africa's position is only marginally better than England.

South Africa have got World Class bowlers in a better order than England, but at times the pitch also matters. England's bowlers are not that strong, Chris Woakes, Topley, Sam Curran, Rashid who used to progress if they got a good start. In the previous match South Africa played in a well planned manner. Almost every country bowling are in the similar position, because we cannot say this team will win with limited runs with the strength of bowlers.

[BobK71]

A big target given by England in the last match was easily resisted by South Africa. They won the series by chasing 342 runs. Today will be the last match of that series. Perhaps this series from England was a special gift for South Africa. If England lose in the last match, they have to return by empty hand or white wash which will bring big criticism for their cricket. So maybe they will try their best to ensure victory in today's match.

South Africa should be concerned as well. They are regarded as a team with world class pacers - Anrich Nortje, Kagiso Rabada, Marco Jansen and Lungi Ngidi. But their bowlers leaked plenty of runs in the first two matches. And the less we talk about the spin options - Tabraiz Shamsi and Keshav Maharaj, that better. I would say that there are worrying signs for both the teams, ahead of the 2023 ODI World Cup. And at this point, I would say that South Africa's position is only marginally better than England.

The current South African team certainly has a lot of good players added who are doing well in the South African National Team. There is a relatively high number of new players who just played few ODI matches and the few who are experienced and old players who have played more than 100 matches, ODI captain Quinton de Kock is one of them. He has played 137 matches in ODIs while David Miller has also played 111 matches ‍and there are some players who are very close to completing 100 matches. As such, this team will be considered as a good team for the upcoming ODI World Cup.

[Sithara007]

The current South African team certainly has a lot of good players added who are doing well in the South African National Team. There is a relatively high number of new players who just played few ODI matches and the few who are experienced and old players who have played more than 100 matches, ODI captain Quinton de Kock is one of them. He has played 137 matches in ODIs while David Miller has also played 111 matches ‍and there are some players who are very close to completing 100 matches. As such, this team will be considered as a good team for the upcoming ODI World Cup.

South Africa has one of the most experienced ODI squads right now. They have players such as Temba Bavuma, Quinton de Kock, Heinrich Klaasen, Aiden Markram, Rassie van der Dussen and David Miller who have played in more than a hundred international matches. Batting is not a concern for them. Their concern is bowling. ODI world cup will take place in India and every team need to have quality spin bowlers in their squad. Unfortunately for South Africa, they don't have anyone with quality at this point in their squad. It is going to be extremely difficult for South Africa during the ODI World Cup.

[RealMalatesta]

In the previous ODI nothing favoured England even though they were able to make a good target. The opening order performance is big support for South Africa team. South Africa will surely try to keep its winning streak continue, on the other side England will surely try to have atleast a win. South Africa playing on the much used ground will be a favourable factor. Lets see what happens, as both the teams are almost equal in strength.

In first ODI's South African batting giving them impressive support which is surely big change for them because if they are capable of having 300+ runs in every match then surely they can do good things for their preparation for the next world cup even their bowing is conceding good runs but still they are managing good batting in both matches and now having better chance for the qualification of the next world cup by direct instead of going into qualifiers.

Now in third and final ODI which is going to play in Kimberley most chances they will give their best and having whitewash against the world champions because they are high in confidence, and they can give their best against for this best possible result Bavuma is also on good run as his ton was the key for their third-best chase in their ODI history.

[LittleBitFunny]

The current South African team certainly has a lot of good players added who are doing well in the South African National Team. There is a relatively high number of new players who just played few ODI matches and the few who are experienced and old players who have played more than 100 matches, ODI captain Quinton de Kock is one of them. He has played 137 matches in ODIs while David Miller has also played 111 matches ‍and there are some players who are very close to completing 100 matches. As such, this team will be considered as a good team for the upcoming ODI World Cup.

South Africa has one of the most experienced ODI squads right now. They have players such as Temba Bavuma, Quinton de Kock, Heinrich Klaasen, Aiden Markram, Rassie van der Dussen and David Miller who have played in more than a hundred international matches. Batting is not a concern for them. Their concern is bowling. ODI world cup will take place in India and every team need to have quality spin bowlers in their squad. Unfortunately for South Africa, they don't have anyone with quality at this point in their squad. It is going to be extremely difficult for South Africa during the ODI World Cup.

You are right. South Africa's squad now has plenty of experienced batsmen. Every batsman's performance is very good. In the last match against England, South Africa won easily despite batting at a huge target of 343. But the performance of their bowlers was not good. If South Africa is aiming for the ODI World Cup title, they definitely need experienced bowlers. But currently, none of the bowlers in their squad is performing well on a regular basis. South Africa needs to strengthen its bowling line-up.

[doomloop]

Jofra Archer featured in the first ODI and Protea's batters beat the shit out of him all over the park and he went for 80 runs in his quota.

@Sithara007 If you look at England's squad for this series then this is almost full strength bowling lineup of England (minus Mark Wood). Ollie Robinson is yet to make his ODI debut so his name is irrelevant in the ODI setup.

I guess Archer need a few more months for his rehabilitation to international cricket. The last time he played regular international cricket was almost 18 months ago. His absence have been a big blow for England, across all the formats. I agree that Robinson is not strictly limited overs material. Even in domestic cricket, he has stayed away from 50-over and 20-over formats. So you are right. For now, England doesn't have too many experienced pacers available for selection. Retirement of Ben Stokes left a void for them as well.

Here I agreed about Jofra Archer which was England's best player and surely need more time for his rehabilitation because currently he is completely out of the touch and this is not good deal for the England because they need better and fit players which give them better results for their defend in ODI world cup which is looking in hang after performance like this they have the best domestic set up for the all formats but still sadly they fail to produce having few top ranks bowlers in white ball format which is mystery because recently they have good bowlers in RED BALL which give them good results, but sadly things are completely different which needs quick work because if they are not getting results quickly then surely they are going to lose their best time for the next world cup.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

A big target given by England in the last match was easily resisted by South Africa. They won the series by chasing 342 runs. Today will be the last match of that series. Perhaps this series from England was a special gift for South Africa. If England lose in the last match, they have to return by empty hand or white wash which will bring big criticism for their cricket. So maybe they will try their best to ensure victory in today's match.

South Africa should be concerned as well. They are regarded as a team with world class pacers - Anrich Nortje, Kagiso Rabada, Marco Jansen and Lungi Ngidi. But their bowlers leaked plenty of runs in the first two matches. And the less we talk about the spin options - Tabraiz Shamsi and Keshav Maharaj, that better. I would say that there are worrying signs for both the teams, ahead of the 2023 ODI World Cup. And at this point, I would say that South Africa's position is only marginally better than England.

The current South African team certainly has a lot of good players added who are doing well in the South African National Team. There is a relatively high number of new players who just played few ODI matches and the few who are experienced and old players who have played more than 100 matches, ODI captain Quinton de Kock is one of them. He has played 137 matches in ODIs while David Miller has also played 111 matches ‍and there are some players who are very close to completing 100 matches. As such, this team will be considered as a good team for the upcoming ODI World Cup.

Today is going to be a deciding match for both teams that either South Africa will whitewash England in this series or England will won this one to save themselves from embarrassing defeat. 
Right now South Africa Is performing marvellously so is England,  you cannot say England is lagging behind in something just the thing is South Africa batting was mind blowing in previous ODI.

[coinerer]

The current South African team certainly has a lot of good players added who are doing well in the South African National Team. There is a relatively high number of new players who just played few ODI matches and the few who are experienced and old players who have played more than 100 matches, ODI captain Quinton de Kock is one of them. He has played 137 matches in ODIs while David Miller has also played 111 matches ‍and there are some players who are very close to completing 100 matches. As such, this team will be considered as a good team for the upcoming ODI World Cup.

South Africa has one of the most experienced ODI squads right now. They have players such as Temba Bavuma, Quinton de Kock, Heinrich Klaasen, Aiden Markram, Rassie van der Dussen and David Miller who have played in more than a hundred international matches. Batting is not a concern for them. Their concern is bowling. ODI world cup will take place in India and every team need to have quality spin bowlers in their squad. Unfortunately for South Africa, they don't have anyone with quality at this point in their squad. It is going to be extremely difficult for South Africa during the ODI World Cup.

You are right. South Africa's squad now has plenty of experienced batsmen. Every batsman's performance is very good. In the last match against England, South Africa won easily despite batting at a huge target of 343. But the performance of their bowlers was not good. If South Africa is aiming for the ODI World Cup title, they definitely need experienced bowlers. But currently, none of the bowlers in their squad is performing well on a regular basis. South Africa needs to strengthen its bowling line-up.

Although South Africa has good batsmen, England has good players in both bowling and batting.  So England is leading in cricket game so South Africa vs England matches are always hard fought and we saw them in 2nd match South Africa won very hard in last moment but South Africa won first two matches with England but in third match I am confused that South Africa  can win. Because both teams have good team management

[ZAINmalik75]

South Africa Vs England
South Africa captain win the toss and take decision to let the england to bat first, hope england palyer will step on the ground with new hopes to win this 3rd ODI match of this series against South Africa, I think this match is more important for England than Africa to save his reputation in cricket world and safe himself from White wash.
England make just one change they replaced J.Archer with O.stone. while south Africa made 3 changes they remove de kock , nortje, and maharaj and put hendericks , Magala and Shami back in team squad.

[pakhitheboss]

I do not think England would be able to win the last match of this ODI series. South Africa has been playing brilliantly in this series. Bowlers have not been that effective but their batters have been in form. I never expected them to chase 340+ runs in the second ODI. England is struggling with thier bowlers  and I am expecting them to perform in the same manner in today's match too.

[Juggy777]

I do not think England would be able to win the last match of this ODI series. South Africa has been playing brilliantly in this series. Bowlers have not been that effective but their batters have been in form. I never expected them to chase 340+ runs in the second ODI. England is struggling with thier bowlers  and I am expecting them to perform in the same manner in today's match too.

@pakhittheboss looks like England’s trouble just don’t seem to end, because they have already lost two wickets under 3.1 overs and if their batsmen don’t find a way to score runs then they’ll be on route to a humiliating defeat. Also I doubt that they’ll win this match even if they manage to put some runs on the board, hence I feel that SA will comfortably win this match and England player’s will have to answer some tough questions as to why they performed so poorly during this series.

[John Abraham]

I do not think England would be able to win the last match of this ODI series. South Africa has been playing brilliantly in this series. Bowlers have not been that effective but their batters have been in form. I never expected them to chase 340+ runs in the second ODI. England is struggling with thier bowlers  and I am expecting them to perform in the same manner in today's match too.

Lungi Ngidi Strikes again. He got Jason Roy, Ben Duckett, and Harry Brook in Three overs. England Batters were unable to face his balls. Lungi Ngidi got some pace and swing as well. Let's see how good batters can face him with the new ball. He becomes dangerous with the new ball. Let's see if he can continue the pressure. Dawid Malan trying to survive, and he scored only four runs from 17 balls so far. At this point, He shouldn't care about the balls right now. He should try to survive as he doing right now.

[LDL]

lungi Ngidi brilliant bowling and England's wicket disaster

Today I thought maybe England would win their last ODI match against South Africa but that thought is starting to change. Lungi Ngidi's excellent bowling in the opening especially caused havoc in England's batting line-up. Lungi Ngidi took England's first three wickets with 7 runs in just 3 overs. Whether today's match will be dominated by England or South Africa will not be predicted without watching the full match. In my view, South Africa will win today's match and whitewash England.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

lungi Ngidi brilliant bowling and England's wicket disaster

Today I thought maybe England would win their last ODI match against South Africa but that thought is starting to change. Lungi Ngidi's excellent bowling in the opening especially caused havoc in England's batting line-up. Lungi Ngidi took England's first three wickets with 7 runs in just 3 overs. Whether today's match will be dominated by England or South Africa will not be predicted without watching the full match. In my view, South Africa will win today's match and whitewash England.

This is some smashing balling by South Africa,  lungi Ngidi totally crushed England opening batting lineup . The run rate is too low till now England having trouble in collecting runs due to balling of SA.
Its too early to say but expected target might be 200 today with this sort of performance from both sides.

[LDL]

lungi Ngidi brilliant bowling and England's wicket disaster

Today I thought maybe England would win their last ODI match against South Africa but that thought is starting to change. Lungi Ngidi's excellent bowling in the opening especially caused havoc in England's batting line-up. Lungi Ngidi took England's first three wickets with 7 runs in just 3 overs. Whether today's match will be dominated by England or South Africa will not be predicted without watching the full match. In my view, South Africa will win today's match and whitewash England.

This is some smashing balling by South Africa,  lungi Ngidi totally crushed England opening batting lineup . The run rate is too low till now England having trouble in collecting runs due to balling of SA.
Its too early to say but expected target might be 200 today with this sort of performance from both sides.

Although the batting line of England was devastated in the beginning, Dawid Malan and Josh Butler are two batsmen who are trying to take England to a crucial position. As England fell by 3 wickets for 14 runs, Dawid Malan and Jos Butler batted very smartly to take the team to a crucial solid position of 190/3 so far. Both batsmen are close to centuries, Dawid Malan on 90 runs and Jos Butler on 85 runs &  both are undefeated.

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What's a combination!!!!



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David malan: 117(110)
Josh Butler:102(107)

[rojan]

lungi Ngidi brilliant bowling and England's wicket disaster

Today I thought maybe England would win their last ODI match against South Africa but that thought is starting to change. Lungi Ngidi's excellent bowling in the opening especially caused havoc in England's batting line-up. Lungi Ngidi took England's first three wickets with 7 runs in just 3 overs. Whether today's match will be dominated by England or South Africa will not be predicted without watching the full match. In my view, South Africa will win today's match and whitewash England.

This is some smashing balling by South Africa,  lungi Ngidi totally crushed England opening batting lineup . The run rate is too low till now England having trouble in collecting runs due to balling of SA.
Its too early to say but expected target might be 200 today with this sort of performance from both sides.

England's batsmen have started a good game now. They have scored 212 runs in 38 overs. So far England have lost 3 wickets. But they have only 3 overs left. Now it is to be seen how many runs England can score in these 3 overs. England's batsman Jos Buttler 104  Scored 98 runs. And scored 99 runs from 105 balls. These two batsmen scored almost all the runs. If they have a few more runs, both of them will complete 100 runs. If England can score 240 runs today, then maybe we will see a tough game in the match.