2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup

[Maslate]

I don't think there's an under the table deal, SMB is a big company, all their cash flow are monitored and it's under the table, the player will violate the tax law as that is under declaration of salary. I think it's most likely that Terrence is after of the bonuses SMB management are giving because SMB is a team that is always favored to win a championship.

I believed in under the table. Of course, it won't be disclosed in public.

For SMB to acquired Terrence Romeo on the said trade, they need to deduct the salary of other SMB players to fit with PBA's salary cap. PBA has set a salary cap that's why Terrence ended up on Php 200,000 a month and a salary deduction for other players. If no under the table involved, then maybe, Terrence would end up below Php 200,000.

Bonuses are after the championship, not a fixed salary so for players to agree, there should be a separate discussion. It's legal since SMB is still following the PBA salary cap terms. There is no way SMB superstars will accept a salary deduction for just a Terrence Romeo without a good agreement with the SMB management.

Deduction of salary to other players, it does not happen, Romeo was acquired through trade.

Here's the story, https://www.rappler.com/sports/pba/terrence-romeo-traded-to-san-miguel

Romeo, a 3-time PBA scoring champion, has been acquired by San Miguel in a trade with the KaTropa in exchange for Brian Heruela, David Semerad and a 2021 first round picks.

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[blockman]

Do you guys remember the offer sheet of Tanduay Rum to Danny Ildenfonso I once shared on this thread? That is one hell of an offer and you can see there the amount of money they get when getting into the playoffs.

I did not read it here but I was curious so I did a search, and here's what I found.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/bonus-scheme-in-danny-ildefonso-offer-sheet-from-tanduay-a1374-20200507?ref=article_tag


The basic salary is very small compared to the bonuses, damn, that's why some players choose to be playing in a good team.

Thank you for sharing this. This is a controversial contract that shouldn't be in public but I guess they've released it because the years indicated were already passed.
But we have an idea for those bonuses with awards and the salary that they have for each of their contracts for a superstar like Ildefonso. I wonder how much it is today, I think it's more than what we see on this sheet.

[chaser15]

Deduction of salary to other players, it does not happen, Romeo was acquired through trade.

Here's the story, https://www.rappler.com/sports/pba/terrence-romeo-traded-to-san-miguel

Under the table is obviously not for public announcement. What's on that article you have shared is the "formal" way.

Try to analyze the salary of Romeo from GB to SMB, salary cap per team, salaries of all SMB roster, and you can make a picture out of it. Anyway, I won't push further at this discussion as I don't have any source or link. It's just that, it's impossible for me that there's no under the table there.

[Russlenat]

Deduction of salary to other players, it does not happen, Romeo was acquired through trade.

Here's the story, https://www.rappler.com/sports/pba/terrence-romeo-traded-to-san-miguel

Under the table is obviously not for public announcement. What's on that article you have shared is the "formal" way.

Try to analyze the salary of Romeo from GB to SMB, salary cap per team, salaries of all SMB roster, and you can make a picture out of it. Anyway, I won't push further at this discussion as I don't have any source or link. It's just that, it's impossible for me that there's no under the table there.

If no source then it's just our own speculation, under the table usually happen in the Philippines it's not new actually, hehe..
I think Romeo requested to be traded and it happened, and when he was traded, he knows that he will only receive the same salary, maybe the under the table happened when he got renewed by the SMB, but regardless, he won a Finals MVP if I'm not mistaken, so that's more than an under the table money.

About the salary cap, I don't know if how much is the salary cap per team but there some report in the past that a salary cap was violated.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/pba-p5-million-reward-for-whistle-blower-on-salary-cap-violation-a791-20200428

[Japinat]

Cyrus Baguio finally retires after impressive 17-year PBA career

Veterans are leaving, it will open an opportunity for the young ones, Baguio though I have not seen his prime in the PBA, but I heard was really really good during his prime.

Another news.

Ping Exciminiano looking to reboot career with TnT franchise

TNT really need this kind of player, a guy who can put some pressure on a player he will defend, it will bring energy to the floor, I remember his days during with the Alaska and was still playing with the Calvin, he was really a contributor in the defensive side.

[chaser15]

Cyrus Baguio finally retires after impressive 17-year PBA career

Veterans are leaving, it will open an opportunity for the young ones, Baguio though I have not seen his prime in the PBA, but I heard was really really good during his prime.

He is giving time already to young ones before this retirement. He's one of the Yeng Guiao's fierce players during their Red Bull days.

Baguio is a high flyer. I was able to watch the Live Coverage of the PBA Slam Dunk Contest where he's one of the participants and become a Slam Dunk Champion. Unfortunately, no good quality video of it was uploaded to Youtube even just highlights. Search for it several months ago so I'm not sure if there's an available video now.

[Fredomago]

Deduction of salary to other players, it does not happen, Romeo was acquired through trade.

Here's the story, https://www.rappler.com/sports/pba/terrence-romeo-traded-to-san-miguel

Under the table is obviously not for public announcement. What's on that article you have shared is the "formal" way.

Try to analyze the salary of Romeo from GB to SMB, salary cap per team, salaries of all SMB roster, and you can make a picture out of it. Anyway, I won't push further at this discussion as I don't have any source or link. It's just that, it's impossible for me that there's no under the table there.

Same with my claim as I don't have any source just an assumptions on why he transfered from good team as TnT to SMB now,
It's hard to believe that hes just went there to win a title and an MVP finals for his career. Though incentives just like what had
been shared above is very convincing perks.

But  again, I'm still believing that there are things that needed not to be shared,
additional payment that a player like him can't resist to accept.

[blockman]

Alaska Aces still aiming to get Vic Manuel on their side. Now the story goes on that Alaska and Manuel are summarized in this article.
(https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/pba/story/_/id/30774737/aces-talks-manuel-reiterate-desire-re-sign-him)

[chaser15]

Alaska Aces still aiming to get Vic Manuel on their side. Now the story goes on that Alaska and Manuel are summarized in this article.
(https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/pba/story/_/id/30774737/aces-talks-manuel-reiterate-desire-re-sign-him)

Alaska is not aiming to get Vic. They just want a fair trade which is reasonable as Manuel already voiced his concern to the media. Since they still own the rights of Vic Manuel, it's reasonable to get a good deal out of this. If no teams will offer a good trade, Manuel has no choice but to either still play on Alaska or just sit out. Manuel is still lucky that for let's say no deal was done with other teams, he can still play and sign a 2 year with Alaska.

The message of Alaska was strong;
"If there's none (equal value), then he has to decide, come to talk to us again or just sit it out. The organization will move without him. It's no problem."

[blockman]

Alaska Aces still aiming to get Vic Manuel on their side. Now the story goes on that Alaska and Manuel are summarized in this article.
(https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/pba/story/_/id/30774737/aces-talks-manuel-reiterate-desire-re-sign-him)

Alaska is not aiming to get Vic. They just want a fair trade which is reasonable as Manuel already voiced his concern to the media. Since they still own the rights of Vic Manuel, it's reasonable to get a good deal out of this. If no teams will offer a good trade, Manuel has no choice but to either still play on Alaska or just sit out. Manuel is still lucky that for let's say no deal was done with other teams, he can still play and sign a 2 year with Alaska.

The message of Alaska was strong;
"If there's none (equal value), then he has to decide, come to talk to us again or just sit it out. The organization will move without him. It's no problem."

We'll wait for the final statement of Vic Manuel and his manager. I guess there's still a chance for him to play with Alaska if there's a possibility that he'll change his mind.
It's still his words and the decision has the final say.

[Finestream]

Alaska Aces still aiming to get Vic Manuel on their side. Now the story goes on that Alaska and Manuel are summarized in this article.
(https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/pba/story/_/id/30774737/aces-talks-manuel-reiterate-desire-re-sign-him)

Alaska is not aiming to get Vic. They just want a fair trade which is reasonable as Manuel already voiced his concern to the media. Since they still own the rights of Vic Manuel, it's reasonable to get a good deal out of this. If no teams will offer a good trade, Manuel has no choice but to either still play on Alaska or just sit out. Manuel is still lucky that for let's say no deal was done with other teams, he can still play and sign a 2 year with Alaska.

The message of Alaska was strong;
"If there's none (equal value), then he has to decide, come to talk to us again or just sit it out. The organization will move without him. It's no problem."

We'll wait for the final statement of Vic Manuel and his manager. I guess there's still a chance for him to play with Alaska if there's a possibility that he'll change his mind.
It's still his words and the decision has the final say.

Looks like there's a tension happening between the management and Manuel, I hope they will just let him go, or find some player to trade for him. Manuel is like James Harden, he is not anymore happy playing with his current team.

[bisdak40]

Alaska Aces still aiming to get Vic Manuel on their side. Now the story goes on that Alaska and Manuel are summarized in this article.
(https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/pba/story/_/id/30774737/aces-talks-manuel-reiterate-desire-re-sign-him)

Alaska is not aiming to get Vic. They just want a fair trade which is reasonable as Manuel already voiced his concern to the media. Since they still own the rights of Vic Manuel, it's reasonable to get a good deal out of this. If no teams will offer a good trade, Manuel has no choice but to either still play on Alaska or just sit out. Manuel is still lucky that for let's say no deal was done with other teams, he can still play and sign a 2 year with Alaska.

The message of Alaska was strong;
"If there's none (equal value), then he has to decide, come to talk to us again or just sit it out. The organization will move without him. It's no problem."

Announcing publicly that he did not want to play for Alaska anymore, backfired on him and he may suffer the consequences on doing that.

I don't think that Alaska will trade him to the teams he want to play, they will retain him as a punishment for what he did (hope i'm wrong).

He may sit out, Alaska can afford as they are not title contender anymore.

Slaughter and Manuel are victim of this old rules of the PBA regarding free agents. Good thing they are scrapping that rules next year.

[blockman]

Looks like there's a tension happening between the management and Manuel, I hope they will just let him go, or find some player to trade for him. Manuel is like James Harden, he is not anymore happy playing with his current team.

That's his first statement but it could change whenever he finally decides to truly get out or still give the team a chance and grab the contract that they're offering to him.

Announcing publicly that he did not want to play for Alaska anymore, backfired on him and he may suffer the consequences on doing that.

I don't think that Alaska will trade him to the teams he want to play, they will retain him as a punishment for what he did (hope i'm wrong).

He may sit out, Alaska can afford as they are not title contender anymore.

Slaughter and Manuel are victim of this old rules of the PBA regarding free agents. Good thing they are scrapping that rules next year.

That is possible. It's a franchise to franchise talk and they won't accept him as punishment. But we'll still see what will happen to him, hoping the best for him.

[Russlenat]

Looks like there's a tension happening between the management and Manuel, I hope they will just let him go, or find some player to trade for him. Manuel is like James Harden, he is not anymore happy playing with his current team.

That's his first statement but it could change whenever he finally decides to truly get out or still give the team a chance and grab the contract that they're offering to him.

Manuel has a high value in the market, why would he stay in a team that does not value him based on his market value.
Giving 1 year contract only while other teams are giving years of contract on a player or players that helps to contribute for the success of the team.

Announcing publicly that he did not want to play for Alaska anymore, backfired on him and he may suffer the consequences on doing that.

I don't think that Alaska will trade him to the teams he want to play, they will retain him as a punishment for what he did (hope i'm wrong).

He may sit out, Alaska can afford as they are not title contender anymore.

Slaughter and Manuel are victim of this old rules of the PBA regarding free agents. Good thing they are scrapping that rules next year.

That is possible. It's a franchise to franchise talk and they won't accept him as punishment. But we'll still see what will happen to him, hoping the best for him.

I don't wanna see that and it's not possible that Alaska will only sit him, fans will protest, lol.. that's really unfair, they are using their power to give a player with no choice, a capital punishment IMO.

[blockman]

Looks like there's a tension happening between the management and Manuel, I hope they will just let him go, or find some player to trade for him. Manuel is like James Harden, he is not anymore happy playing with his current team.

That's his first statement but it could change whenever he finally decides to truly get out or still give the team a chance and grab the contract that they're offering to him.

Manuel has a high value in the market, why would he stay in a team that does not value him based on his market value.
Giving 1 year contract only while other teams are giving years of contract on a player or players that helps to contribute for the success of the team.

I think Alaska realized it too late and they're trying to offer him 2 years contract then. But that wouldn't change his mind I guess.

That is possible. It's a franchise to franchise talk and they won't accept him as punishment. But we'll still see what will happen to him, hoping the best for him.

I don't wanna see that and it's not possible that Alaska will only sit him, fans will protest, lol.. that's really unfair, they are using their power to give a player with no choice, a capital punishment IMO.

We know how the association works. They did to some players and disallow them to play but suddenly they allow it but it took for too long.

[Maslate]

I think Alaska realized it too late and they're trying to offer him 2 years contract then. But that wouldn't change his mind I guess.

Why 2 years of contract? Why make it 3?
I don't know what the max year contract for a PBA player but I see some players getting signed for 3 yeas, probably that's the max, so why can't the Alaska give that to Manuel?

[agustina2]

Manuel has a high value in the market, why would he stay in a team that does not value him based on his market value.
Giving 1 year contract only while other teams are giving years of contract on a player or players that helps to contribute for the success of the team.

The problem for Manuel is, he brings that issue in public making it much worst. If only, there's a negotiation made before crying to the public then there will be no problem. I'm not siding with Alaska here but if I'm the team owner or who else is responsible for handling this type of negotiation, I also want a good trade with Manuel.

[harizen]

I don't think that Alaska will trade him to the teams he want to play, they will retain him as a punishment for what he did (hope i'm wrong).

For me, it's best if Manuel doesn't name his preferred teams so that other teams will make some offers too. In NBA for example, if a player asks for a trade, they will not publicly name their preferred teams and let the negotiation happens privately as what matters here is, they want to get out on that team asap.

The boundary now becomes limited as Manuel's preferred teams might not even interested in acquiring him as it will cost them destroying their current lineup although there's a talk happening but not a priority.

Teams are busy now on the PBA draft and seeing the current status of PBA, most are focused on rebuilding so yes, thru young cores. Manuel is now on his post-prime status so he should be careful on his next move. Alaska is now eyeing a big man on the PBA draft. Let's see if there's progress about his after the PBA draft.

[Japinat]

I don't think that Alaska will trade him to the teams he want to play, they will retain him as a punishment for what he did (hope i'm wrong).

For me, it's best if Manuel doesn't name his preferred teams so that other teams will make some offers too. In NBA for example, if a player asks for a trade, they will not publicly name their preferred teams and let the negotiation happens privately as what matters here is, they want to get out on that team asap.

The boundary now becomes limited as Manuel's preferred teams might not even interested in acquiring him as it will cost them destroying their current lineup although there's a talk happening but not a priority.

Teams are busy now on the PBA draft and seeing the current status of PBA, most are focused on rebuilding so yes, thru young cores. Manuel is now on his post-prime status so he should be careful on his next move. Alaska is now eyeing a big man on the PBA draft. Let's see if there's progress about his after the PBA draft.

He did not name one team only, I think he does discourage the weak teams to sign him as he wants to only play in a championship contender team. SMB has capability of spending for him but I think they will not sign him, we don't know yet which team he will land but the scary part is we still don't have any update regarding his status about asking to be traded to other team.

[blockman]

I think Alaska realized it too late and they're trying to offer him 2 years contract then. But that wouldn't change his mind I guess.

Why 2 years of contract? Why make it 3?
I don't know what the max year contract for a PBA player but I see some players getting signed for 3 yeas, probably that's the max, so why can't the Alaska give that to Manuel?

I don't know what's with them. They seem to be reliable with a 2-year contract to Manuel and don't think he should get on board for a longer contract.
About the longest or max contract in history, I think that's Duremdes and with our current time. I haven't seen someone max more than 3 years too.