La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24

[BitcoinHunt3r]

Yes Barcelona is struggling but this is not all on Koeman. Barcelona could have easily fired him last year if he was the only problem. You can place any of the top managers right now and they will continue to have poor results. Firing him if they don't do well in the next two matches won't any good for the club.

If Barcelona had enough funds to pay Koeman then I'm sure they would have done it last season after he didn't manage to win a title for Barcelona. Now the problem is, Koeman complain about getting less attention from management and that make him fail to improve the team's performance for the better. We all know that Barcelona is experiencing financial problem which forced the team to cancel its intention to bring in top players from other team and is known to make them fail to keep Lionel Messi. Obviously the lack of reliable players make the team's performance very unstable. I think this is the reason why Koeman is complaining.

I think any coach would complain if they were in Koeman's place. Another question is that this would not necessarily be reflected in the public plane, as it is happening now.

From what we saw Barcelona spent a lot of money this season buying a few players so what's the problem ?  Is Koeman restricted when it comes to buying players?
In my personal opinion, Koeman's coaching style doesn't suit Barcelona, it's good that barca is looking for a new coach in the middle of the season

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[rahmad2nd]

Yes Barcelona is struggling but this is not all on Koeman. Barcelona could have easily fired him last year if he was the only problem. You can place any of the top managers right now and they will continue to have poor results. Firing him if they don't do well in the next two matches won't any good for the club.

If Barcelona had enough funds to pay Koeman then I'm sure they would have done it last season after he didn't manage to win a title for Barcelona. Now the problem is, Koeman complain about getting less attention from management and that make him fail to improve the team's performance for the better. We all know that Barcelona is experiencing financial problem which forced the team to cancel its intention to bring in top players from other team and is known to make them fail to keep Lionel Messi. Obviously the lack of reliable players make the team's performance very unstable. I think this is the reason why Koeman is complaining.

I think any coach would complain if they were in Koeman's place. Another question is that this would not necessarily be reflected in the public plane, as it is happening now.

From what we saw Barcelona spent a lot of money this season buying a few players so what's the problem ?  Is Koeman restricted when it comes to buying players?
In my personal opinion, Koeman's coaching style doesn't suit Barcelona, it's good that barca is looking for a new coach in the middle of the season

Koeman is not entirely to blame for the crisis conditions experienced by Barcelona at the moment, as his arrival at the Camp Nou did not give management the flexibility and large enough money to be able to bring in players, even in the last transfer market they had to lose to compete with PSG for Wijnaldum. even though the player is a free transfer from Liverpool. personally Barcelona have face financial crisis and make almost coach there difficult how to get their player want.

[blackened515]

next two matches will be very important for Koeman because losing points may cost him the job of head coach.

I may be hasty with my conclusions, but it seems to me that the time of the Koeman in Barcelona is drawing to a close.

Yes Barcelona is struggling but this is not all on Koeman. Barcelona could have easily fired him last year if he was the only problem. You can place any of the top managers right now and they will continue to have poor results. Firing him if they don't do well in the next two matches won't any good for the club.

Barcelona was facing serious financial difficulties which   was one of the reasons they couldn't fire Koeman last year. This also resulted to them losing their key player (Messi), to PSG. Barcelona performance haven't been impressive, especially in the Champion League, they currently have 0 point. They have good players, what Barcelona needs is cooperation and a good Coach who can boost their morale. Koeman time in Barcelona is limited,

[slaman29]

The young ones, as in younger than 28 or 29 in my opinion love playing often and 3 times a week even is no problem for them. Some players do this actually in lower leagues with many more teams to play including clubs, and they don't have such a big squad. Then for them 3 games a week is totally normal

This makes sense when you play either in a lower league or in a second-rate team, since you most likely have a multi-year contract and it makes sense to give your best only either on important games or before the transfer window, so for such players 3 games a week is normal.

It's another matter when it comes to prospects, when you dream of moving to another league or to a better team, then a three-time game week will be a big burden for you, since you will have to give all your best, (in this case, neither an ice bath nor a pool will help). Although recovery training for high-paid players is significantly different from the same training in low budget clubs (beer with friends and going to a nightclub ... that's the whole recovery training).

LOL you are absolutely right to be honest, and Championship teams in England play this schedule on small squad so they do tend to be fitter overall in terms of physical attributes but you're right when they progress to faster leagues where change of pace and harder running is required, then they lose fitness very quickly hence the Leeds syndrome.

In Spain I would say it's much easier to maintain that speed over the season with more weaker teams in the league (and I say this even though I follow and love La Liga more but I admit the league overall is weaker physically) but it's when the injuries happen that they suffer as playing means less recovery time.

[rahmad2nd]

The young ones, as in younger than 28 or 29 in my opinion love playing often and 3 times a week even is no problem for them. Some players do this actually in lower leagues with many more teams to play including clubs, and they don't have such a big squad. Then for them 3 games a week is totally normal

This makes sense when you play either in a lower league or in a second-rate team, since you most likely have a multi-year contract and it makes sense to give your best only either on important games or before the transfer window, so for such players 3 games a week is normal.

It's another matter when it comes to prospects, when you dream of moving to another league or to a better team, then a three-time game week will be a big burden for you, since you will have to give all your best, (in this case, neither an ice bath nor a pool will help). Although recovery training for high-paid players is significantly different from the same training in low budget clubs (beer with friends and going to a nightclub ... that's the whole recovery training).

LOL you are absolutely right to be honest, and Championship teams in England play this schedule on small squad so they do tend to be fitter overall in terms of physical attributes but you're right when they progress to faster leagues where change of pace and harder running is required, then they lose fitness very quickly hence the Leeds syndrome.

In Spain I would say it's much easier to maintain that speed over the season with more weaker teams in the league (and I say this even though I follow and love La Liga more but I admit the league overall is weaker physically) but it's when the injuries happen that they suffer as playing means less recovery time.

Barcelona's current financial problem, I think, will take quite a long time to be resolved, considering that the club ownership system in La Liga cannot be acquired by foreign parties, which makes it very difficult for the club to be free from the club's current debt. I think Barcelona should be able to get up and win every game to be able to boost the fans' confidence and at least make the Camp Nou filled again with Barcelona fans.

[zuzie]

The young ones, as in younger than 28 or 29 in my opinion love playing often and 3 times a week even is no problem for them. Some players do this actually in lower leagues with many more teams to play including clubs, and they don't have such a big squad. Then for them 3 games a week is totally normal

This makes sense when you play either in a lower league or in a second-rate team, since you most likely have a multi-year contract and it makes sense to give your best only either on important games or before the transfer window, so for such players 3 games a week is normal.

It's another matter when it comes to prospects, when you dream of moving to another league or to a better team, then a three-time game week will be a big burden for you, since you will have to give all your best, (in this case, neither an ice bath nor a pool will help). Although recovery training for high-paid players is significantly different from the same training in low budget clubs (beer with friends and going to a nightclub ... that's the whole recovery training).

LOL you are absolutely right to be honest, and Championship teams in England play this schedule on small squad so they do tend to be fitter overall in terms of physical attributes but you're right when they progress to faster leagues where change of pace and harder running is required, then they lose fitness very quickly hence the Leeds syndrome.

In Spain I would say it's much easier to maintain that speed over the season with more weaker teams in the league (and I say this even though I follow and love La Liga more but I admit the league overall is weaker physically) but it's when the injuries happen that they suffer as playing means less recovery time.

Barcelona's current financial problem, I think, will take quite a long time to be resolved, considering that the club ownership system in La Liga cannot be acquired by foreign parties, which makes it very difficult for the club to be free from the club's current debt. I think Barcelona should be able to get up and win every game to be able to boost the fans' confidence and at least make the Camp Nou filled again with Barcelona fans.

At least that's what we've been trying to do so far but unfortunately the results are not optimal somehow they can get past this problem
Unless the local federation can provide a solution because if it is allowed to continue then the impact will get worse

[slaman29]

Barcelona's current financial problem, I think, will take quite a long time to be resolved, considering that the club ownership system in La Liga cannot be acquired by foreign parties, which makes it very difficult for the club to be free from the club's current debt. I think Barcelona should be able to get up and win every game to be able to boost the fans' confidence and at least make the Camp Nou filled again with Barcelona fans.

At least that's what we've been trying to do so far but unfortunately the results are not optimal somehow they can get past this problem
Unless the local federation can provide a solution because if it is allowed to continue then the impact will get worse

Personally I think it's a good restriction. Spanish clubs want to be retained by Spanish hands, no matter the consequences. Unlike the fanbase of other megaclubs, the majority of Barca fans or lifetime supporters must be from the city or related to the city's families or some other very hard to achieve status. This is good and forces them to find a logical and practical solution instead of just a buyover.

[LittleBitFunny]

Barcelona's current financial problem, I think, will take quite a long time to be resolved, considering that the club ownership system in La Liga cannot be acquired by foreign parties, which makes it very difficult for the club to be free from the club's current debt. I think Barcelona should be able to get up and win every game to be able to boost the fans' confidence and at least make the Camp Nou filled again with Barcelona fans.

At least that's what we've been trying to do so far but unfortunately the results are not optimal somehow they can get past this problem
Unless the local federation can provide a solution because if it is allowed to continue then the impact will get worse

Personally I think it's a good restriction. Spanish clubs want to be retained by Spanish hands, no matter the consequences. Unlike the fanbase of other megaclubs, the majority of Barca fans or lifetime supporters must be from the city or related to the city's families or some other very hard to achieve status. This is good and forces them to find a logical and practical solution instead of just a buyover.

I think I heard a rumor that a Saudi Arabia organization might invest in Barcelona, don't know how the truthfulness of that but one thing that's sure is that Barcelona is in huge debt - €1 billion as per what Laporta said. So, recovering from this huge debt will take some time and I don't think during the next few transfer windows we will see any big signings from Barcelona as they practically cannot afford that.

[poldanmig]

I think I heard a rumor that a Saudi Arabia organization might invest in Barcelona, don't know how the truthfulness of that but one thing that's sure is that Barcelona is in huge debt - €1 billion as per what Laporta said. So, recovering from this huge debt will take some time and I don't think during the next few transfer windows we will see any big signings from Barcelona as they practically cannot afford that.

I didn't find any news saying if any Arab organization wants to invest in Barcelona at this time, there are indeed some news about Arab organizations interest to invest in a debt-ridden football club but not Barcelona but so far as I know it's Intermilan club. Yes, currently Barcelona have a very large debt to several other clubs in terms of buying players, but the latest news says that Barcelona will release players who are a burden on the team in January and this is done to be able to re-balance the club balance sheet for next season competition.

[icopress]

Could you show how such a sum of probabilities is obtained? This is interesting to me because any probability that is higher than one (100%) is impossible by definition, which means that somewhere there is either a mathematical or a methodological error.
As for Slow death's question, I think this is a common phenomenon of a distorted bet (occurs when the mood of the crowd does not correspond to the real chances and the bookmakers are guided by the mood of the crowd to balance the odds).

Well, I'd like to say that odds providers are never guided by the mood of the crowd ... although I don't deny that bookmakers can use crowd expectations against the crowd, (how it was in the last fight with Joshua). As for the sum of probabilities, everything is simple ... at least if you do not delve into the details of the formulas. Let's say the providers of the odds estimate the win of Barcelona at 1.5 / draw 3.5 and the win of Valencia at 5, and the sum of these coefficients is 100% excluding the bookmaker's margin. Further, a margin is added to these numbers (say 5%) and distributed in accordance with the odds.

This adds 2.5% to the victory of Valencia, 1.75% to the draw and 0.75% to the victory of Barça, in the end it looks like this.

Code:

Barça Win: 1.5 + 0.75% = 1.51 / Valencia Win: 5 + 2.5% = 5.13 / Draw: 3.5 + 1.75% = 3.56

[Zilon]

I didn't find any news saying if any Arab organization wants to invest in Barcelona at this time, there are indeed some news about Arab organizations interest to invest in a debt-ridden football club but not Barcelona but so far as I know it's Intermilan club. Yes, currently Barcelona have a very large debt to several other clubs in terms of buying players, but the latest news says that Barcelona will release players who are a burden on the team in January and this is done to be able to re-balance the club balance sheet for next season competition.

Why do you think the Saudi Arabia organisation would go for intermilan instead any news on this?. I can't find any club online the Saudi Arabia organisation is directing it's advancement to except for the fact the would invest in debt-ridden clubs let's be patient until the finally make their moves. Both Barcelona and intermilan needs this sponsorship to help offset some debt but for me Barcelona needs it more

[icopress]

In Spain I would say it's much easier to maintain that speed over the season with more weaker teams in the league (and I say this even though I follow and love La Liga more but I admit the league overall is weaker physically) but it's when the injuries happen that they suffer as playing means less recovery time.

I think it's not a matter of physical weakness, but of the lack of financial motivation among the players. In fact, La Liga is three or four clubs, since only these clubs successfully sell their TV broadcasts, here I would add the fact that during the signing of the agreement on the equal distribution of income in La Liga, Real and Barça pushed through the edits according to which they cannot get less money than they received in previous seasons.

I tried to search the Internet for information on profits from TV broadcasts in La Liga, but I did not find anything, although I am almost sure that in the Premier League, the clubs that occupy the last places in the table earn the same as the top clubs of any European league. I hope I have not strayed too far from the topic, but still I am deeply convinced that it all comes down to money.

[DU18]

Barcelona's current financial problem, I think, will take quite a long time to be resolved, considering that the club ownership system in La Liga cannot be acquired by foreign parties, which makes it very difficult for the club to be free from the club's current debt. I think Barcelona should be able to get up and win every game to be able to boost the fans' confidence and at least make the Camp Nou filled again with Barcelona fans.

Barcelona financial problems actually surfaced recently and I think their main problem causing debt is due to reckless recruitment of players and also giving high salaries to players who don't have much contribution to the club, I think, if the current management can cut salaries players and maybe selling those who don't have a contribution to the club, will certainly ease their current financial problems a bit.

[ShowOff]

I think any coach would complain if they were in Koeman's place. Another question is that this would not necessarily be reflected in the public plane, as it is happening now. Barcelona has very big problems with finances and even just parting with the coach will cost the club about 12 million. Therefore, it may look like a kind of insurance for Koeman and the club is forced to hope until the last for the situation to be corrected, but given all the events that have taken place, there is not even a hint of this yet and you need to understand that this cannot continue indefinitely. Koeman and Barcelona are kind of hostages of this situation, but it seems that a lot will become clear after the El Classico, because in case of an unsatisfactory result, some measures will need to be taken.

It is difficult to decide something when the club's finance are not supportive and at least it makes Barcelona have to be patient and hope that Koeman can still provide positive things for this club during this season. Somehow the development of an offer of fund from one of the big companies to Barcelona some time ago in an effort to pay off the club's debt in the past. If Barcelona are willing to accept this offer I think they will be able to plan other big things in an effort to improve the club's finance and income for the better.

[slaman29]

I think I heard a rumor that a Saudi Arabia organization might invest in Barcelona, don't know how the truthfulness of that but one thing that's sure is that Barcelona is in huge debt - €1 billion as per what Laporta said. So, recovering from this huge debt will take some time and I don't think during the next few transfer windows we will see any big signings from Barcelona as they practically cannot afford that.

Doubt the supporters clubs/organizations would allow for that. Unlike in England or other clubs Barca ownership structure needs buyin from the members, and unless the Saudi guys do a PR campaign to win people over, I doubt it'll even get past approval.

But what do I know? President managed to keep everything under the radar with everything else bad happening with us.

[Luzin]

, I think, if the current management can cut salaries players and maybe selling those who don't have a contribution to the club, will certainly ease their current financial problems a bit.

Looks like it's been done, but they sold their basic player. It's a bit of a mistake that makes Barca look bad at the moment. Yes it is a difficult decision but it must be done. Management has the right to manage finances, has the right to determine the best course of action for the club. I myself do not really understand their business strategy. But I think they are trying to save Barca from crisis. I can only see from the outside as a football fan.

[Woodie]

Yes Barcelona is struggling but this is not all on Koeman. Barcelona could have easily fired him last year if he was the only problem. You can place any of the top managers right now and they will continue to have poor results. Firing him if they don't do well in the next two matches won't any good for the club.

If Barcelona had enough funds to pay Koeman then I'm sure they would have done it last season after he didn't manage to win a title for Barcelona. Now the problem is, Koeman complain about getting less attention from management and that make him fail to improve the team's performance for the better. We all know that Barcelona is experiencing financial problem which forced the team to cancel its intention to bring in top players from other team and is known to make them fail to keep Lionel Messi. Obviously the lack of reliable players make the team's performance very unstable. I think this is the reason why Koeman is complaining.

I think any coach would complain if they were in Koeman's place. Another question is that this would not necessarily be reflected in the public plane, as it is happening now.

From what we saw Barcelona spent a lot of money this season buying a few players so what's the problem ?  Is Koeman restricted when it comes to buying players?
In my personal opinion, Koeman's coaching style doesn't suit Barcelona, it's good that barca is looking for a new coach in the middle of the season

Imo If we looking at Barcelona from that angle then will shall paint a picture that will make them look fine but that's far from the truth to what's happening! The main Issue that they have should be finances and as we know these players are part of their employees and if news of finances reaches them then an element of uncertainty comes in which will affect their performance as they aren't sure if their contracts are safe...it's a chain reaction but hope they find a solution to their problems.

[EdenHazard]

I think I heard a rumor that a Saudi Arabia organization might invest in Barcelona, don't know how the truthfulness of that but one thing that's sure is that Barcelona is in huge debt - €1 billion as per what Laporta said. So, recovering from this huge debt will take some time and I don't think during the next few transfer windows we will see any big signings from Barcelona as they practically cannot afford that.

Doubt the supporters clubs/organizations would allow for that. Unlike in England or other clubs Barca ownership structure needs buyin from the members, and unless the Saudi guys do a PR campaign to win people over, I doubt it'll even get past approval.

But what do I know? President managed to keep everything under the radar with everything else bad happening with us.

Yet another BS headline.
we can see the media pattern thesedays.. as newcastle take over become trending , no wonder some other random media rumored similar shit mentioned arab money coming in to barcelona door.
perfect headline for perfect situations in barcelona , but to be honest .. changing ownership could be a huge step into a revolution.

barcelona need that arab guy with infinity cash.

[Zilon]

, I think, if the current management can cut salaries players and maybe selling those who don't have a contribution to the club, will certainly ease their current financial problems a bit.

Looks like it's been done, but they sold their basic player. It's a bit of a mistake that makes Barca look bad at the moment. Yes it is a difficult decision but it must be done. Management has the right to manage finances, has the right to determine the best course of action for the club. I myself do not really understand their business strategy. But I think they are trying to save Barca from crisis. I can only see from the outside as a football fan.

This is what you get when you future one player too often and adapt a single play pattern that suits just one player alone. I wasn't this drastical fall in Barcelona. Their bad performance is a clear indication they centered all their games around Messi and now he is gone no one can fit into the play pattern. It's simple cut down on players wages, build back a new formation and build back the Barcelona spirit of team work. Messi is gone and might not return back to Barcelona

[mrongoz_imut]

That is true. Barcelona does have the players to at least finish top 4 in the league. At the start of the season, many key players were out due to injury. Now that most of them, especially Aguero are back we can be optimistic of them doing good. What they need to do now is leave behind the dependency they had on Messi and try to play as a team and since they have some really quality players like Depay, Aguero, Pedri, and so many more, finishing top 4 should not be that tough of a challenge for them once they get the team chemistry right.

next two matches will be very important for Koeman because losing points may cost him the job of head coach. La Liga match vs Valencia and Champions League match vs Dynamo Kyiv will define his future.

They say so for several games in a row, but nothing happens, even though I did not like this coach initially, but I think he will not last long, so he does not have much time left. Sooner or later he will resign as head coach. If they lose to Dynamo, it will be a shame

after messi left, the barcelona players seemed to have lost the enthusiasm to play, now they are in 9th place in the standings, below valencia, they have the same points, if barcelona loses at the hands of valencia I am very sure, the position of the coach in the hands of Koeman will definitely be shifted, although Aguero has recovered from his injury, I don't believe Aguero will be able to bring Barcelona to victory path..