[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

[Collider]

I have 40ms to raskuls node (from Iceland) .... I don´t know what you pinged, roadstress.....

Maybe you accidentally pinged from your computer, not the miner?

If anyone knows of a node in iceland though, feel free to tell me

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[raskul]

I have 40ms to raskuls node (from Iceland) .... I don´t know what you pinged, roadstress.....

Maybe you accidentally pinged from your computer, not the miner?

If anyone knows of a node in iceland though, feel free to tell me

it should also be said, when you decide to move nodes, use the same receiving address to mine with as you previously used - it 'should' carry over to your new node.

[Collider]

From Iceland miner to pool.centralcavern.uk:

64 bytes from 80.240.136.110: seq=13 ttl=56 time=40.233 ms
64 bytes from 80.240.136.110: seq=14 ttl=56 time=40.257 ms
64 bytes from 80.240.136.110: seq=15 ttl=56 time=40.248 ms
64 bytes from 80.240.136.110: seq=16 ttl=56 time=40.201 ms

I think you might have pinged from your local computer?

[RoadStress]

From Iceland miner to pool.centralcavern.uk:

64 bytes from 80.240.136.110: seq=13 ttl=56 time=40.233 ms
64 bytes from 80.240.136.110: seq=14 ttl=56 time=40.257 ms
64 bytes from 80.240.136.110: seq=15 ttl=56 time=40.248 ms
64 bytes from 80.240.136.110: seq=16 ttl=56 time=40.201 ms

I think you might have pinged from your local computer?

Oops. I pinged http://minefast.coincadence.com/ not CentralCavern. Sorry. Yeah good ping on the centralcavern pool. Anything else important to know about p2pool? I might change to it, but I need to know the important stuff about it.

[Collider]

Oops. I pinged http://minefast.coincadence.com/ not CentralCavern. Sorry. Yeah good ping on the centralcavern pool. Anything else important to know about p2pool? I might change to it, but I need to know the important stuff about it.

http://p2pool.in/

Just try it for a few days, if you like it, keep it.

Payout mode is PPLNS with the work (shares) being recorded in the p2pool sharechain.

London is also 40ms. Haven´t checked Scotland.

[raskul]

Oops. I pinged http://minefast.coincadence.com/ not CentralCavern. Sorry. Yeah good ping on the centralcavern pool. Anything else important to know about p2pool? I might change to it, but I need to know the important stuff about it.

http://p2pool.in/

Just try it for a few days, if you like it, keep it.

yes, it takes a few days to ramp up your share earnings properly. i enjoy it as it's not too dissimilar to mining DGM which has always previously been my preference.

[Guy Corem]

The amount of emails is out of control. Please always cc support@ or info@ so we'll be able to track and eventually get back to you.
Please be patient.

Guy

[DevonMiner]

Thanks for the Info, Just done my Sums for UK import duty.

(a)£530 pounds Import duty.

(b)£131 for a KW/m(month) at 0.16 Pence a KW/h

(c)£297 to £321 (2500w to 2700w) a Month in power usage

So 6 Month of usage in the UK  . Worst case  a+(6xc)=£2456  (current dollar conversion $4164).

Cost to Host with Setup and Shipping $1750.  

Saving $2414  or £1423.

Answer is Hosting all the Way.

C_C

Interesting C_C, I also am trying to work out the best way to resolve/work out the hosting 'issue'.

[bobsag3]

Thanks for the Info, Just done my Sums for UK import duty.

(a)£530 pounds Import duty.

(b)£131 for a KW/m(month) at 0.16 Pence a KW/h

(c)£297 to £321 (2500w to 2700w) a Month in power usage

So 6 Month of usage in the UK  . Worst case  a+(6xc)=£2456  (current dollar conversion $4164).

Cost to Host with Setup and Shipping $1750.  

Saving $2414  or £1423.

Answer is Hosting all the Way.

C_C

Interesting C_C, I also am trying to work out the best way to resolve/work out the hosting 'issue'.

For SP30 launch, we will have 2 datacenters ready, one in Oregon, and a new one in Denver to go along side our current place in Denver.

[hardhouseinc]

Take a lookt at my sp10

http://i61.tinypic.com/2q246ma.png

Also, i have a suggestion: You could add a button to the UI to switch pools from the ones in the list.

Nearly as good as my SP10
+1 for the idea about switching pools easier, since you need to get off ghash lol

Yeah, but it always is a pain to switch everything in the pool settings thing so i thought a button "switch to this pool" would be nice.

You wouldn´t have to wait for the whole cgminer to restart again either.

up and down arrows beside each pool line, to move already registered pools up and down in the list would be a good idea.
If not for SP10 (since the new f/w seems spot-on), something to introduce in the UI of SP30 perhaps?

Agree.  Id like to see UP and DOWN arrows at the pool settings to move them up and down.
Was thinking of this a couple weeks ago.

[jtoomim]

Since you guys are talking about datacenters, I'm going to shamelessly plug ASICSPACE, the one I'm working on:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=657461

We're still building it, and still working out the details on pricing, but I'm pretty sure our prices will be better than anyone else's by a very wide margin. Right now we're thinking $90/kW/month for month-to-month contracts, and around $68/kW/mo if you pay 12 months at once. No per-kWh usage charge, the $90 or $68 is everything.

We won't accept anybody's money until the facility is online or nearly so, and we can't currently guarantee that we'll be online in time for your preorders. However, I will state that I myself have quite a few August SP30s coming in, so I have a strong incentive to have everything running by August. If you're getting September SP30s and you're willing to wait until around August 1st before making a decision, I think we will probably be able to accommodate you. My guess is that we'll have half a MW available in September, with more to come soon after.

We plan to do a p2pool node. We'd prefer email-based pool configuration and overclocking. I'd like to also offer customers the option of port-forwarded access to their machines' web UIs or SSH ports if they can accept the reduction in security that comes therewith, but I can't guarantee that yet.

[joeltang]

I'm seriously looking at buying a few SP30s.  Can someone tell me how far along the design of this product has come?  Are there units already shipped?  Are there prototype results being published or is the SP30 using much of what the SP10 has already proven to work?

[jtoomim]

I'm seriously looking at buying a few SP30s.  Can someone tell me how far along the design of this product has come?  Are there units already shipped?  Are there prototype results being published or is the SP30 using much of what the SP10 has already proven to work?

I'll save Spondoolies some time and answer what can be answered based on publicly available information:

The first SP30s are scheduled to ship in July. The ASIC was taped out before or on May 29th. They should be getting their chips back from the fab pretty soon, but AFAIK they don't have silicon yet.

The new design, Rockerbox, is a relatively straightforward die shrink of their old Hammer 40nm ASIC down to 28 nm, and as such is unlikely to have any new major problems. It should use the same serial protocol as Hammer, so there isn't much risk in the new PCB designs either.

They have everything finished for the SP30 except for the ASIC. There are a few photos that have been circulated on this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg7347228#msg7347228) with SP30s fully assembled except for the ASICs themselves.

No results have been published that I'm aware of except from the pre-tapeout simulations. Expect around 6 Th/s +/- 10% at 2.7 kW. Based on performance of the SP10s and the common design, the SP30s are likely to have better performance in cold rooms than in warm rooms, and to also perform better if they're run on 208V or 230V rather than 115V.

[Guy Corem]

I'm seriously looking at buying a few SP30s.  Can someone tell me how far along the design of this product has come?  Are there units already shipped?  Are there prototype results being published or is the SP30 using much of what the SP10 has already proven to work?

I'll save Spondoolies some time and answer what can be answered based on publicly available information:

The first SP30s are scheduled to ship in July. The ASIC was taped out before or on May 29th. They should be getting their chips back from the fab pretty soon, but AFAIK they don't have silicon yet.

The new design, Rockerbox, is a relatively straightforward die shrink of their old Hammer 40nm ASIC down to 28 nm, and as such is unlikely to have any new major problems. It should use the same serial protocol as Hammer, so there isn't much risk in the new PCB designs either.

They have everything finished for the SP30 except for the ASIC. There are a few photos that have been circulated on this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg7347228#msg7347228) with SP30s fully assembled except for the ASICs themselves.

No results have been published that I'm aware of except from the pre-tapeout simulations. Expect around 6 Th/s +/- 10% at 2.7 kW. Based on performance of the SP10s and the common design, the SP30s are likely to have better performance in cold rooms than in warm rooms, and to also perform better if they're run on 208V or 230V rather than 115V.

Fair summary.

The Tapeout was done on May 14. http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/news/14226621-rockerbox-2nd-gen-asic-tape-out
Same team as our 1st gen. Same vehicle - Global Unichip Taiwan (The chairman of GUC is the vice chairman of TSMC: http://www.guc-asic.com/1-0.php?MD=5)
Same CM - Flextronics Israel.

Guy

[ManeBjorn]

That is great news.
So you can expect the same great quality and schedule of rollout.
That must make it easier to meet demand and control your production times.
 

I'm seriously looking at buying a few SP30s.  Can someone tell me how far along the design of this product has come?  Are there units already shipped?  Are there prototype results being published or is the SP30 using much of what the SP10 has already proven to work?

I'll save Spondoolies some time and answer what can be answered based on publicly available information:

The first SP30s are scheduled to ship in July. The ASIC was taped out before or on May 29th. They should be getting their chips back from the fab pretty soon, but AFAIK they don't have silicon yet.

The new design, Rockerbox, is a relatively straightforward die shrink of their old Hammer 40nm ASIC down to 28 nm, and as such is unlikely to have any new major problems. It should use the same serial protocol as Hammer, so there isn't much risk in the new PCB designs either.

They have everything finished for the SP30 except for the ASIC. There are a few photos that have been circulated on this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg7347228#msg7347228) with SP30s fully assembled except for the ASICs themselves.

No results have been published that I'm aware of except from the pre-tapeout simulations. Expect around 6 Th/s +/- 10% at 2.7 kW. Based on performance of the SP10s and the common design, the SP30s are likely to have better performance in cold rooms than in warm rooms, and to also perform better if they're run on 208V or 230V rather than 115V.

Fair summary.

The Tapeout was done on May 14. http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/news/14226621-rockerbox-2nd-gen-asic-tape-out
Same team as our 1st gen. Same vehicle - Global Unichip Taiwan (The chairman of GUC is the vice chairman of TSMC: http://www.guc-asic.com/1-0.php?MD=5)
Same CM - Flextronics Israel.

Guy

[tempestb]

Can anyone speculate why KNC, who did the same thing in that they took a known design and shrunk it without changing anything, took 6 months to start shipping but Spondoolies is able to do it in a month and a half?

I get that BFL went with some new design to get their power down, so that is why they are super late, and Black Arrow is late because they couldn't figure out how to assemble their miners.  But what happened with KNC that it took that long for them to ship?  It seems amazing to me that Spondoolies is able to do this so quickly compared to everyone else. 

[Collider]

Can anyone speculate why KNC, who did the same thing in that they took a known design and shrunk it without changing anything, took 6 months to start shipping but Spondoolies is able to do it in a month and a half?

I get that BFL went with some new design to get their power down, so that is why they are super late, and Black Arrow is late because they couldn't figure out how to assemble their miners.  But what happened with KNC that it took that long for them to ship?  It seems amazing to me that Spondoolies is able to do this so quickly compared to everyone else.  

KnC uses the still experimental 20nm node. That is the holdup.
Spondoolies is able to achieve a better efficiency using the very well known and widely used 28nm process, as their design is superior.

Does that answer your questions?

[raskul]

Can anyone speculate why KNC, who did the same thing in that they took a known design and shrunk it without changing anything, took 6 months to start shipping but Spondoolies is able to do it in a month and a half?

I get that BFL went with some new design to get their power down, so that is why they are super late, and Black Arrow is late because they couldn't figure out how to assemble their miners.  But what happened with KNC that it took that long for them to ship?  It seems amazing to me that Spondoolies is able to do this so quickly compared to everyone else.  

KnC uses the still experimental 20nm node. That is the holdup.
Spondoolies is able to achieve a better efficiency using the very well known and widely used 28nm process, as their design is superior.

Does that answer your questions?

yes, KfC's 'stepping stone' chip is not a known design, it was a total gamble, powered by greed and trying to be overly-competitive.
By the time Spondoolies et al get to 16nm, KfC will still be trying to shrink their 20nm and as a result of their complete incompetence where customer service is concerned, they'll most likely just try and sell chips in wholesale than make any miners (apart from the ones they decide to install in their dat0rhalls)

cunch of bunts.

[opentoe]

Mining is affordable if miner manufacturers lower their prices.  Everytime the difficulty rises by X percent, the manufacturer needs to lower their price by an equal percentage or risk being priced out of the market.  The hardware company that can best afford to adapt to that is the one that will survive.

Do you know any company that systematically does that week after week, apart from Bitmain. I don't.

I wish Spondoolie would drop on their SP30. Been over a month or more and same price ( I think ). Right now cost about 9 bitcoins for an SP30. Wonder how long an SP30 will make back 9 bitcoins....will it? Have to be a cheapo these days....bill collectors are abundant.

[opentoe]

Hosting companies DO NOT pass electricity savings to customers. if you compare prices in WA-they are essentially the same despite the fact that they pay 2c/electricity.
Electrical savings transmission simply does not WORK!

Sure it does. Ask advania in iceland how much they charge for power when you supply the fully populated container.
They pay 4 ct for power, they will bill you 5 ct.

Instant savings.

Mining is affordable if miner manufacturers lower their prices.  Everytime the difficulty rises by X percent, the manufacturer needs to lower their price by an equal percentage or risk being priced out of the market.  The hardware company that can best afford to adapt to that is the one that will survive.

Do you know any company that systematically does that week after week, apart from Bitmain. I don't.

This argument is irrelevant, aswell as impractical. You can´t expect companies to lower the price every day, as at the end of the day they will be left with nothing to sell at a profit.

It also doesn´t change the fact that when you buy in bulk, you get it cheaper.

When you deploy in bulk (atleast in a smart manner) you get it cheaper.

Therefore you will always have an advantage if you are either a big player, or many little players together.

Same as it always has been. Rich get richer, poorer get poorer. Easier to make money when you have it.