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June 10, 2014, 08:39:03 AM
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Seriously, if you don´t like pre-ordering then dont.

You will most likely be stuck with a technically inferior product with higher power draw and lower hashrate though.

This is the free market after all, and if there is demand for this, spondoolies will supply it.

They had in stock hardware of sp10s for a while, but as demand then increased, they aren´t able to produce any faster on such short notice.

Companys also need to be able to predict demand, and pre-orders are a great way of ensuring spondoolies will be able to ship the highest amount of rigs in the shortest time available.


If you don´t want a company doing pre-orders, that company will most likely end up mining with their own equipment. Is that what you prefer?

Also, AM Gen3 devices will not get much below 1w/GH at the wall, so yeah... seen that. Come Q3/Q4 they will be expensive doorstops.
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June 10, 2014, 08:42:27 AM
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What bogus numbers? Do you doubt AM sold ~8ph worth of chips or that they have 60ph worth of wafers in hand?

I'm not doubting any numbers provided by Friedcat. I'm doubting that the hash-rate will actually come online.
AM is playing and loosing catch-up game with Bitmain. Inferior ASIC, not relevant for Q3

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=641957.msg7227862#msg7227862


It hashes at 768gh with 0.85-0.92W/G without PSU.



Admit it, that's a beautiful miner.
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June 10, 2014, 08:46:19 AM
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Admit it, that's a beautiful miner.

Bitmain have stopped making similar rigs due to the fact that they are now obsolete.
nuff said.

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June 10, 2014, 08:46:43 AM
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It is exponentially more difficult to deploy, needs more power per GH than an sp10, doesn´t come with a PSU and takes up more space which transfers to higher hosting costs.
Management is also more difficult than with an easy web interface.

Have fun building your cable kraken with these.

It is a child´s toy.
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June 10, 2014, 08:55:13 AM
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It is exponentially more difficult to deploy, needs more power than an sp10, doesn´t come with a PSU and takes up more space which transfers to higher hosting costs.
Management is also more difficult than with an easy web interface.

None of that is true besides having a better web interface if that matters to you.

Power usage is about on par with sp10.

It is not exponentially more difficult to deploy. Looks quite stackable.

Any good hosting will charge you per electricity usage not space. Not that you would need to host it as there should be no problem with noise if it only requires one or two large fans.
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June 10, 2014, 08:57:17 AM
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It is exponentially more difficult to deploy, needs more power than an sp10, doesn´t come with a PSU and takes up more space which transfers to higher hosting costs.
Management is also more difficult than with an easy web interface.

None of that is true besides having a better web interface if that matters to you.

Power usage is about on par with sp10.

It is not exponentially more difficult to deploy. Looks quite stackable.

Any good hosting will charge you per electricity usage not space. Not that you would need to host it as there should be no problem with noise if you only need a single large fan.

seriously Jimmothy?
a miner that hashes at under 200GH/s cannot be compared with anything Spondoolies-Tech produces.
It is not even a catch-up on Bitmain. You are delusional. Sorry.

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June 10, 2014, 09:00:48 AM
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It is more difficult to deploy as you will produce the guardian knot with all the PSU and management cables required by buying 7 of these compared to one easy sp10.

Sp10s are 15% more power efficient.

Also, these will not be produced by AM as they state in their own thread, meaning you will be left with some cut-throat company and probably not getting a good price.
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June 10, 2014, 09:02:50 AM
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seriously Jimmothy?
a miner that hashes at under 200GH/s cannot be compared with anything Spondoolies-Tech produces.
It is not even a catch-up on Bitmain. You are delusional. Sorry.

That rectangular thing hashes at 768gh (probably overclockable to ~960gh/s @ 10gh per chip).

BTW you could put 2 of those cubes side by side and it would have more hashrate than an sp10.
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June 10, 2014, 09:03:00 AM
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It is more difficult to deploy as you will produce the guardian knot with all the PSU and management cables required by buying 7 of these compared to one easy sp10.

Sp10s are 15% more power efficient.

Also, these will not be produced by AM as they state in their own thread, meaning you will be left with some cut-throat company and probably not getting a good price.

And probably bad quality ...
You said it right - expensive door stop.

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June 10, 2014, 09:05:03 AM
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seriously Jimmothy?
a miner that hashes at under 200GH/s cannot be compared with anything Spondoolies-Tech produces.
It is not even a catch-up on Bitmain. You are delusional. Sorry.

That rectangular thing hashes at 768gh (probably overclockable to ~960gh/s @ 10gh per chip).

BTW you could put 2 of those cubes side by side and it would have more hashrate than an sp10.

It hashes at 192GH with 0.85-0.92W/G without PSU.

so i'm presuming friedcat does not know the actual spec of this doorstop.
24 chips on each blade.
if it is 192GH/s each BLADE, then that's not actually 10GH/s per chip, is it Mr Daydreamer?

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June 10, 2014, 09:08:01 AM
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And probably bad quality ...
You said it right - expensive door stop.

Just curious, which AM powered asic builder do you think makes bad quality hardware?

I've seen nothing but praise for those overpriced r-boxes just like I've seen nothing but praise for those overpriced sp10s.
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June 10, 2014, 09:10:28 AM
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It seems like the cube design is actually 4 of the mentioned boards. You would still need two of them to get into the sp10´s hashrate range.

They wouldn´t be nearly silent though, as you would need to push enough air through there to cool the ~700W per cube.

It still remains that power efficiency of these is worse than even the sp10. These cubes are currently not available on the market compared to the sp10.

By the time any of these hit the market, spondoolies will have sp30s ready. Those have double the power efficiency and you will be left with some power gobbling, inefficient device.
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June 10, 2014, 09:12:07 AM
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It seems like the cube design is actually 4 of the mentioned boards. You would still need two of them to get into the sp10´s hashrate range.

They wouldn´t be nearly silent though, as you would need to push enough air through there to cool the ~700W per cube.

It still remains that power efficiency of these is worse than even the sp10. These cubes are currently not available on the market compared to the sp10.

By the time any of these hit the market, spondoolies will have sp30s ready. Those have double the power efficiency and you will be left with some power gobbling, inefficient device.

also the fact that after the current batch, SP10 is no longer being produced; SP10 is todays tech and it's hashing now.
Collider is quite correct.

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June 10, 2014, 09:20:13 AM
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They wouldn´t be nearly silent though, as you would need to push enough air through there to cool the ~700W per cube.

Looks like there is only room for 2 fans. And there is a huge selection on powerful and quiet 120mm+ fans.

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By the time any of these hit the market, spondoolies will have sp30s ready. Those have double the power efficiency and you will be left with some power gobbling, inefficient device.

If they are extremely slow then maybe there will be a few sp30 from the first batch before these start shipping from stock. But I very much doubt it will take them longer than 3 months.
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June 10, 2014, 09:26:14 AM
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They wouldn´t be nearly silent though, as you would need to push enough air through there to cool the ~700W per cube.

Looks like there is only room for 2 fans. And there is a huge selection on powerful and quiet 120mm+ fans.
I think you are not quite undestanding these issues of thermal engineering correctly.

If the unit uses 700W, that is the amount of energy that needs to be pushed out of the system.

When one 120mm fan needs to push enough air through there, it is going to be loud, as you will probably need atleast a 90cfm fan.

This will only be sufficient if these chips have the same temperature threshholds than spondoolies, and the unit won´t overheat other components at those temperatures.

It will also force you to get the input temperatures to around the same level of an sp10.

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June 10, 2014, 09:33:47 AM
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They wouldn´t be nearly silent though, as you would need to push enough air through there to cool the ~700W per cube.

Looks like there is only room for 2 fans. And there is a huge selection on powerful and quiet 120mm+ fans.
I think you are not quite undestanding these issues of thermal engineering right.

If the unit uses 700W, that is the amount of energy that needs to be pushed out of the system.

When one 120mm fan needs to push enough air through there, it is going to be loud, as you will probably need atleast a 90cfm fan.

There are plenty of quiet 90cfm 120m fans. Not that you would need 90cfm.

Spondoolies managed to cool ~1.3KW with 110 cfm iirc.
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June 10, 2014, 09:37:50 AM
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Spondoolies chips can operate up to 119°C and are kept from overheating by dynamic, individual clock adjustments (on a per-chi basis).

I doubt that AM will implement that within a reasonable timeframe.

Anyway, i think we have gotten off-topic here.

If you like these units so much, buy them instead of spondoolies, once they become available.

I think the preorder vs in stock debate has been done multiple times and both optios have valid arguments.

In the end the customer is the "invisible hand of the market".
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June 10, 2014, 09:39:55 AM
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Spondoolies chips can operate up to 119°C and are kept from overheating by dynamic, individual clock adjustments (on a per-chi basis).

I doubt that AM will implement that within a reasonable timeframe.

Both 40nm chips are made from the same fab so I assume they can operate at around the same temperature.

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If you like these units so much, buy them instead of spondoolies, once they become available.

Probably will if they are less than $1/gh.

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I think the preorder vs in stock debate has been done multiple times and both optios have valid arguments.

I thought we finally reached a general consensus that preordering is not the way to go?
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June 10, 2014, 09:41:10 AM
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Any numbers on the Pickaxe chips yet Spondoolies? Kind of more interested in what Spondoolies does here vs. AM chips and AM based hardware.

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June 10, 2014, 09:46:51 AM
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Any numbers on the Pickaxe chips yet Spondoolies? Kind of more interested in what Spondoolies does here vs. AM chips and AM based hardware.
Last time i heard, these are still highly experimental and therefore spondoolies won´t give you a clear answer (as they simply don´t know yet).

I guess information will be available once sp30s have shipped and their tech-team have some real results and hopefully accurate simulations.

It also looks like these chips will be deployed differently, and not necessarily sold to individual consumers but managed by spondoolies (possibly in datatank containers? who knows.)


It will all come down to how the mining business will develop, as half a year in Bitcoin world is a long timeframe and everything could happen.
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