[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

[whonesta]

Fedex beat the living crap out of DHL for delivery, my units ordered over last Friday/Saturday are out for delivery. Faster delivery than even UPS express out of China- the previous speed winner. I am beyond pleased with the change in courier

   

Loosing .1657BTC a day whilst DHL cures their cranial rectumitis, but hey not like the difficulty is getting ready to jump (20%) and smoke what ever hope I had to ROI. Really wish this deal had worked out, making me look like an idiot to the investors, makes pitching the SP-30 a rough-starter.  

6 Days and counting....

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[timmah]

There are blade design differences bearing differences motor differences etc. There are 40mm fans ranging from 10 dB to 100 dB. Again if someone wants to bother and look at what fan and what specs. they currently are, they can then source their own "better" or "quieter" equivalent.

A fan spinning at 6000~9000 rpm can never be quiet, no matter the bearing or blade design. It's impossible. At this level, you don't hear any noise from the ball bearing, you just hear the airflow. At this fan speeds, you will NEVER achieve laminar flow.

The bearing does matter if you look for fans spinning at 300~500 rpm. Then you even prefer a sleeve bearing over ball bearing, because sleeve bearing is more quiet. Again, at this level you only hear the mechanics of the fan, not the actual airflow. But for fans with many thousand rpm, ball bearing is the only option and turbulent airflow will always be noisy.

If you want a quiet SP10, go for watercooling.

I agree with the watercooling, a cold plate could be placed on the bottom but it will only draw heat from the one blade, although it could pull out enough heat to turn the fans down depending if a chiller is used and pump, etc.

The thing is that with more than a few of these the noise is an issue too, also the heat, with the concentration in such a small area I think that it is not able to pull all the heat out with the slimmer heat sinks and the smaller fans, even if it does pull 150cfm.  On a 42u Rack they have to be spaced about 4u apart or the heat from the miner below will affect the top.  These are sitting on rack trays and a lot of heat is actually dissipated from the bottom, it's hot enough to cook an egg well with my contact thermometer it shows that the front of the heat sinks get to over 100c and is about the same on the bottom of the case.  The rack trays that I'm using has some vent holes and it helps a little bit but the entire tray gets hot as well so there is a large amount of heat transfer.  It's hot enough to burn my hand if I try to lift the miner from the bottom where the heat sinks are touching the case.  Over 100c as well.

From what I've looked at it may only cost a couple hundred at most for a single machine, cheaper of course with more since the same pumps and chiller would be able to be used for many miners.  Still for one miner it may be even less as I've seen some pumps that are less than $20 and would be able to move more than enough water though a cold plate...

I think I'm going to give this a shot and if it works I'll post some pics as I think that with one SP10 I may not even need a chiller as long as I have a large enough reservoir of water, I may hook it to a radiator that they sell on Amazon for about $40 and a 12" radiator fan which can also be found for about $20 on Amazon.

Oh, also to add where I live it gets very hot, up to 120f in the summer, my central AC does just fine but now with the extra heat from about 10Th of miners in total it can get toasty and this is sitting in a 10x15 sqft living room (which can not be used as a living room due to the sound) and my AC is on 100% of the time, there is air being exhausted out a window but it is not enough, on a good day and if the temp outside is below 85-90f I may get the living room ambient temp to about 85f but when it is hot like over 90f outside then it can get close to 100f inside.

This increases my power bill from not just the miners but also the AC on 100% at full blast all the time.  The bill is about $300-$400 more so it would likely be worth it to spend the one time costs to get water cooling system installed.  I'm not sure about others but it's worth the money as just one or 2 months would make up for the extra hardware, especially in the hottest part where it is over 120f in the day.

Just as a side note: if you use other cooling, you can use extra AC2DC power to get more out of the ASICs. The fans eat about 70 Watts - it's about 5% of the AC2DC power. If the cooling is effective and the ASICs stay cold, you also save on the leakage. So I would guess one could get more from such system.

Thanks for the tip, I can't wait to get the parts to try this out especially if it is efficient enough to take out some fans or lower them quite a bit more!  It's great that the new FW allows that to be done too!

Oh and on the cold plate price, it's a lot cheaper than it sounds, the cold plate does not need to be the exact size of the ASIC board just large enough to dissipate the heat that the miner generates, so some pricing for one that is a stock size which would work to dissipate all the heat from the bottom is about $100 as technically since it is pretty much the only place where the heatsinks touch the case and the board above it would still have to be air cooled unless the board can be flipped to touch the top of the case and I don't think that is a possibility.

So until someone makes custom sized cold plates for the boards to be swapped out with the heatsinks then we are stuck with cooling the bottom as much as possible...

Here is a list of some of my parts:

14" Fan for about $22 Shipped http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008FBTM6Y

or even bigger

16" Fan for about $33 Shipped http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002X1QV70

Radiator http://www.amazon.com/Hayden-Automotive-512-Performance-Transmission/dp/B000C3DDEA
OR
http://www.amazon.com/Hayden-Automotive-405-Ultra-Cool-Transmission/dp/B000C3F3HK
Both just under $40 especially if you have Amazon Prime. 

Thermal pad for the one radiator going under the unit $13 (Prime):
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007PPEW52

Get a small pump on ebay, they have some that can move about 2.5 GPM for under $20 shipped.  If you choose a submersible one then they are even cheaper.

Some tubing and fittings etc should be $30 or less as each radiator comes with some tubing too but it looks a bit short.

There is not going to be a lot of pressure so PVC plumbing is not needed, tubing and some clamps should work just fine.

Chiller if you want $20-$200 or more but I'm going to try mine with out one and see how well it works, I figure with 2 radiators one on the miner one with the fan exhausting the hot water through the 2nd radiator out the window should work well enough, at least for one miner...

Total rough price with everything but a chiller $176, now if this can save $176 in extra AC cost for the summer it will already have paid for itself... Pump and Fan run on 12v easy to connect to a variety of PSUs and don't use more than 50-100w max.  So that is about the power of just 1 fan in the system!

Lets see what happens when it gets here and I put it together...   For me, it's worth the $176 or even $200 to turn the fans down to like 50% maybe less?  Also should help the AC cool even better since the heat does not have to be air circulated, a lot harder to control than water

[whonesta]

Fedex beat the living crap out of DHL for delivery, my units ordered over last Friday/Saturday are out for delivery. Faster delivery than even UPS express out of China- the previous speed winner. I am beyond pleased with the change in courier

   

Loosing .1657BTC a day whilst DHL cures their cranial rectumitis, but hey not like the difficulty is getting ready to jump (20%) and smoke what ever hope I had to ROI. Really wish this deal had worked out, making me look like an idiot to the investors, makes pitching the SP-30 a rough-starter.  

6 Days and counting....

It appears US Customs is holding 2-SP10's for 5 days to inspect to insure it is not counterfeit. OMFG these idiots would not know their a$$ from a hole in the ground and THEY are going to know IF a circuit is counterfeit. This is a nightmare, mean while antMiners are flying into the country at record rates, correct me if I am wrong but aren't they clones? UGH Next I guess they will STOP music piracy..

[thomashrev89]

Fedex beat the living crap out of DHL for delivery, my units ordered over last Friday/Saturday are out for delivery. Faster delivery than even UPS express out of China- the previous speed winner. I am beyond pleased with the change in courier

   

Loosing .1657BTC a day whilst DHL cures their cranial rectumitis, but hey not like the difficulty is getting ready to jump (20%) and smoke what ever hope I had to ROI. Really wish this deal had worked out, making me look like an idiot to the investors, makes pitching the SP-30 a rough-starter.  

6 Days and counting....

It appears US Customs is holding 2-SP10's for 5 days to inspect to insure it is not counterfeit. OMFG these idiots would not know their a$$ from a hole in the ground and THEY are going to know IF a circuit is counterfeit. This is a nightmare, mean while antMiners are flying into the country at record rates, correct me if I am wrong but aren't they clones? UGH Next I guess they will STOP music piracy..

You are wrong, probably thinking about the A1 clones.

[wpgdeez]

Hoping my SP10 order to Canada slides through quickly.

[Biffa]

Fedex beat the living crap out of DHL for delivery, my units ordered over last Friday/Saturday are out for delivery. Faster delivery than even UPS express out of China- the previous speed winner. I am beyond pleased with the change in courier

   

Loosing .1657BTC a day whilst DHL cures their cranial rectumitis, but hey not like the difficulty is getting ready to jump (20%) and smoke what ever hope I had to ROI. Really wish this deal had worked out, making me look like an idiot to the investors, makes pitching the SP-30 a rough-starter.  

6 Days and counting....

It appears US Customs is holding 2-SP10's for 5 days to inspect to insure it is not counterfeit. OMFG these idiots would not know their a$$ from a hole in the ground and THEY are going to know IF a circuit is counterfeit. This is a nightmare, mean while antMiners are flying into the country at record rates, correct me if I am wrong but aren't they clones? UGH Next I guess they will STOP music piracy..

You are wrong, probably thinking about the A1 clones.

Not that US customs would give a monkeys about the politics of a dumb Swiss guy who signed himself up for a dumb distro deal on a chip without realising it needed working pcbs before it was too late and the deal expired. Innosilicon who is selling the A1 chips to the "clones" is the actual manufacturer of the A1, so there are no counterfeit clones or any such thing.

[Zelek Uther]

My SP10 was delivered to New Zealand by DHL and I am very happy with that delivery. Happy to have my August SP30s delivered to NZ by DHL.

[blaiser]

My SP10 was delivered to New Zealand by DHL and I am very happy with that delivery. Happy to have my August SP30s delivered to NZ by DHL.

Me too, to have DHL deliver my SP30...

My DHL Express Shipment:

Ship Date: 1:09 PM Wednesday, April 16, 2014  (Israel)
 +1 Pieces
Total Weight: 30.9 lbs   

Delivered 12:31 PM Friday, April 18, 2014  (USA)
 +1 Pieces
Total Weight: 30.9 lbs

~Blaise

[whonesta]

My SP10 was delivered to New Zealand by DHL and I am very happy with that delivery. Happy to have my August SP30s delivered to NZ by DHL.

Me too, to have DHL deliver my SP30...

My DHL Express Shipment:

Ship Date: 1:09 PM Wednesday, April 16, 2014  (Israel)
 +1 Pieces
Total Weight: 30.9 lbs   

Delivered 12:31 PM Friday, April 18, 2014  (USA)
 +1 Pieces
Total Weight: 30.9 lbs

~Blaise

Shipped May 15th, Israel

May 19th, "The shipment is pending completion of customs inspection. "

May 20th, "The shipment is pending completion of customs inspection. "

May 21st, "The shipment is pending completion of customs inspection. "

DHL == DUH. NO thanks I am happy to have the option, not that I will ever ROI so...

[Guy Corem]

My SP10 was delivered to New Zealand by DHL and I am very happy with that delivery. Happy to have my August SP30s delivered to NZ by DHL.

Me too, to have DHL deliver my SP30...

My DHL Express Shipment:

Ship Date: 1:09 PM Wednesday, April 16, 2014  (Israel)
 +1 Pieces
Total Weight: 30.9 lbs   

Delivered 12:31 PM Friday, April 18, 2014  (USA)
 +1 Pieces
Total Weight: 30.9 lbs

~Blaise

Shipped May 15th, Israel

May 19th, "The shipment is pending completion of customs inspection. "

May 20th, "The shipment is pending completion of customs inspection. "

May 21st, "The shipment is pending completion of customs inspection. "

DHL == DUH. NO thanks I am happy to have the option, not that I will ever ROI so...

For US customers, we're currently shipping with Fedex. We'll start shipping with UPS as well to test who give the better service.

[whonesta]

I want to make sure to state:

ST shipped my order fast, next day. My complaint is with the shipper. ST followed through Quickly to support the "additional information" request by DHL. I can imagine I would be much happier if DHL had not destroyed my shipment and then claim US customs inspection. I will update after I have a talk with the "Port Master" in the morning. Archaic titles to match their antiquated and myopic processes all while holding bankers hours...  too much

[Collider]

I don´t want to seam smug or anything but, how would they know if a machine was counterfeit?

Also, how can a machine be counterfeit, if it is shipped by the original producer?

Are you sure about the counterfeit thing?
My guess is that they don´t really get what it is, and if you tell them long enough that it is server equipment (which it technically is, it is a bitcoin mining server) they would let it through.

[whonesta]

I don´t want to seam smug or anything but, how would they know if a machine was counterfeit?

Also, how can a machine be counterfeit, if it is shipped by the original producer?

Are you sure about the counterfeit thing?
My guess is that they don´t really get what it is, and if you tell them long enough that it is server equipment (which it technically is, it is a bitcoin mining server) they would let it through.

I have told them 3-4 times it is a rack server, today I am going to tell them it is a vibrator and invite them to try it out, go on shove it up there you greasy little pig..

UPS called asking about a couple S2's, which are shipped to a "whonesta", "Sir what is a whonesta", reply a chat board nickname this item is consumer electronics and I bought it as a private CITIZEN (das gud mine piggy). Customs responds "clears that up, your good to go, thanks".. Next day 2200 GH/s burning trons for my mine.

[seljo]

Ok anyone had some experience with ordering from Spondoolies, I just ordered SP10 and on my account page it says payment status pending and I payed in full with Bitpay option?

[raskul]

Ok anyone had some experience with ordering from Spondoolies, I just ordered SP10 and on my account page it says payment status pending and I payed in full with Bitpay option?

don't worry, it's a busy factory at the moment, they shipping from stock now so your order will be (i can only presume) processing.

[seljo]

Ok anyone had some experience with ordering from Spondoolies, I just ordered SP10 and on my account page it says payment status pending and I payed in full with Bitpay option?

don't worry, it's a busy factory at the moment, they shipping from stock now so your order will be (i can only presume) processing.

They answered my mail in like 4 minutes.

[Collider]

It takes some hours to confirm the payment, you will get another email. (from robot@... or something)

If you chose payment via bitpay, it will only show payment pending when bitpay confirmed full funds arrived.

[vpn1]

Now this is some seriously good thinking. Did not cross my mind about a window ac which is way more efficient than portables.

http://woodbox.dparker.org/

Ramming 18 C cold air straight down SP10 throat 

MSRP 109 $ probably find it on sale a lot less

http://www.lg.com/us/air-conditioners/lg-LW5012J-window-air-conditioner

500 watts
52 dB (which is emitted out the front end)

Find an even smaller unit. Less btu, less watt, lower dB, less price.

10 $ of scrap wood of if you hover around the lumber section of home depot, and ask nicely 0 $

Make the box as big as need for as many machines you have. Go so far as to insulate the interior with soundproofing foam for added measure.

Very interesting. Stick it on your balcony, patio, in your basement, in your garage and you're set.

[seljo]

It takes some hours to confirm the payment, you will get another email. (from robot@... or something)

If you chose payment via bitpay, it will only show payment pending when bitpay confirmed full funds arrived.

Thanks for info that's exactly what they said in reply to my e-mail.

[Collider]

At ~1,3 kw per sp10 you need 4435BTU cooling.

One of those posted units should do nicely for 1 sp10 (1450GH+), you should be able to overclock to maximum performance, airflow also seems okay.

http://www.lg.com/us/air-conditioners/lg-LW1213ER-window-air-conditioner
for three sp10.