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May 24, 2014, 03:26:28 AM
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Does 48 hour 5% special offer add up to 10% discount with a proof of purchase from other manufacturers? 15% altogether?

Not anymore. That 10% was mainly for the GB.

bobsag3 has the right idea really, build your own, forget about all that raised floor, hot/cold aisles, 47U APC racks, redundant diesel generators etc etc. This bitcoin stuff is short term. You just need a well ventilated warehouse with decent aircon and flow. Get industrial shelving to put the miners on and make sure you have enough electricity to keep it going.
Exactly. You not only don't need uninterruptible power, you'll be better of buying cheap, explicitly interruptible power from the utility company using special industrial/agricultural/pumping tariffs. I even dare to say that air-conditioning is an overkill, good airflow (which for SP10 means getting rid of the cases) and maybe cheap, evaporative cooling will be good enough. Get a small UPS to have a continuous network connection just for the local switches/routers and security cameras.

Or just admit to yourself that you've got your Bitcoin mining hardware as a status symbol.


Let's get an Iceland colocation company to have a special room for bitcoin mining with these attributes. Nothing fancy. Power and good airflow is all that we need.

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May 24, 2014, 03:51:00 AM
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Does 48 hour 5% special offer add up to 10% discount with a proof of purchase from other manufacturers? 15% altogether?

Not anymore. That 10% was mainly for the GB.

bobsag3 has the right idea really, build your own, forget about all that raised floor, hot/cold aisles, 47U APC racks, redundant diesel generators etc etc. This bitcoin stuff is short term. You just need a well ventilated warehouse with decent aircon and flow. Get industrial shelving to put the miners on and make sure you have enough electricity to keep it going.
Exactly. You not only don't need uninterruptible power, you'll be better of buying cheap, explicitly interruptible power from the utility company using special industrial/agricultural/pumping tariffs. I even dare to say that air-conditioning is an overkill, good airflow (which for SP10 means getting rid of the cases) and maybe cheap, evaporative cooling will be good enough. Get a small UPS to have a continuous network connection just for the local switches/routers and security cameras.

Or just admit to yourself that you've got your Bitcoin mining hardware as a status symbol.


Let's get an Iceland colocation company to have a special room for bitcoin mining with these attributes. Nothing fancy. Power and good airflow is all that we need.

We have a large swamp cooler + passive/active exhausts installed, gives us more than enough cooling capacity for even the hottest days. My prices aint bad either, and this machines are lonely Smiley
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May 24, 2014, 05:26:34 AM
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Can the SP10 be setup on its side when using no rack? Of course I would need something to make sure it wouldn't fall over, but that may be the best way to keep it cooler.

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May 24, 2014, 05:27:05 AM
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Does 48 hour 5% special offer add up to 10% discount with a proof of purchase from other manufacturers? 15% altogether?

Not anymore. That 10% was mainly for the GB.

bobsag3 has the right idea really, build your own, forget about all that raised floor, hot/cold aisles, 47U APC racks, redundant diesel generators etc etc. This bitcoin stuff is short term. You just need a well ventilated warehouse with decent aircon and flow. Get industrial shelving to put the miners on and make sure you have enough electricity to keep it going.
Exactly. You not only don't need uninterruptible power, you'll be better of buying cheap, explicitly interruptible power from the utility company using special industrial/agricultural/pumping tariffs. I even dare to say that air-conditioning is an overkill, good airflow (which for SP10 means getting rid of the cases) and maybe cheap, evaporative cooling will be good enough. Get a small UPS to have a continuous network connection just for the local switches/routers and security cameras.

Or just admit to yourself that you've got your Bitcoin mining hardware as a status symbol.


Let's get an Iceland colocation company to have a special room for bitcoin mining with these attributes. Nothing fancy. Power and good airflow is all that we need.

We have a large swamp cooler + passive/active exhausts installed, gives us more than enough cooling capacity for even the hottest days. My prices aint bad either, and this machines are lonely Smiley
What are your rates? I have to host or sell this thing, the noise is f'ing ridiculous! Big time buyers remorse Sad
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May 24, 2014, 05:41:11 AM
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I've started a H/w Hosting Directory & Reputation thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622998.0

Feel free to post your experiences with hosting providers.

Feel free to post your services (i.e. hosting ads).

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May 24, 2014, 06:15:27 AM
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I talked to a DC in Iceland and they gave me a price of 95 EUR per kW per month. That comes out to about the same price.
Last quote i got was 78 €/kw for small customers, ofcourse this only gets cheap if you order multiple racks (ideally a whole DC container, then they can give you all the cooling you want)

Let's start working some details with them and then let's start a Group Buy for hosting. I am sure that there are a lot of small miners in Europe who would love to colocate their rigs if they will have nice price/kw.

Excellent! Strength in numbers. I like it

(Let me know if you need help)

Thank you for the support!

Collider how would you feel contacting the DC again and start discussing some terms?

@DevonMiner my August SP30 units will be hosted in the WA DC. Don't like it? Or just want a DC that is closer to home?

@bobsag3 keep us updated while we wait for some prices
I will contact all the DCs in Iceland now (atleast all the ones i know of).
(I went to sleep yesterday Wink )

They typically have several electricity lines (or are connected to a ring) so backup power comes from the Iceland power grid, too, all electricity is renewable (hydrothermal).
DCs pay 3-4ct / kwh, price is guaranteed for 10 years.

My guess would be, Tier2 redundancy is enough? (as we aren´t trying to host system crytical servers....)

I just wrote the emails, asking for both a 2 rack and 20 rack high density solution above 20kw, so we should be able to get some rough estimates for bulk power prices.
I also specifically asked how low cold aisle temperatures they would be able to achieve.

If there are additional questions, feel free to state your ideas here (or pm me, i dont know how much spondoolies likes this thread to be cluttered with hosting information)

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May 24, 2014, 06:47:12 AM
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Got mine setup and hashing away at 1.27 thash. Temp shows 33/74. When I look at ASIC stats most chips are listed as 77 and a bunch showing as 113. Is there something wrong with my hardware?

Got my unit setup and I think that the noise has been downplayed. It is very loud and high pitched and louder than my 21 ants combined. Hope I can get my hash rate up closer to 1.4, getting 1.27 right now.

In ASIC stats 18 chips say 113 and 1 says 119 the rest are all 77. Problem with thermal paste on some ASICS maybe?

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May 24, 2014, 11:38:54 AM
Last edit: May 24, 2014, 11:57:57 AM by Collider
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We have a special facility for Bitcoin miners. Its a Tier 1 facility with no ups or diesel backup and we use direct air cooling with PUE of around 1,15.
Density per rack is 15-20kW depending on the design of the miners.

The price is 90 EUR per kW all inclusive, power, cooling and internet.

Seems quite nice for some sp10s.
When i first heard about 90€/kW i thought it would be power cost only, not including space. However, this is an all-inclusive solution.

Also, this is 100% renewable, geothermal power.

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In Reykjavik, summer lies between June and August with a peak of 13 degrees Celsius which is mild.
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May 24, 2014, 11:40:43 AM
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We have a special facility for Bitcoin miners. Its a Tier 1 facility with no ups or diesel backup and we use direct air cooling with PUE of around 1,15.
Density per rack is 15-20kW depending on the design of the miners.

The price is 90 EUR per kW all inclusive, power, cooling and internet.

Seems quite nice for some sp10s.
When i first heard about 90€/kW i thought it would be power cost only, not including space. However, this is an all-inclusive solution.

that is very reasonable indeed.

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May 24, 2014, 12:56:22 PM
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Thats pretty good, is that plus VAT which is 25.5% in Iceland?

Best I have seen is a 1/2 rack in poland with 10Kw for 87EUR per Kw with 10Mb connection

Thats a total price of 870EUR for 21U, 10Kw & 10Mb


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May 24, 2014, 02:10:29 PM
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Sorry about the uneducated question:

Some DCs quote price per kWh, others quote per amp for a 220v circuit.
What is the correct and realistic conversion between the two? I'm assuming that volts*amps = kWh is missing some efficiency factors?
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May 24, 2014, 02:12:12 PM
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Sorry about the uneducated question:

Some DCs quote price per kWh, others quote per amp for a 220v circuit.
What is the correct and realistic conversion between the two? I'm assuming that volts*amps = kWh is missing some efficiency factors?

http://www.supercircuits.com/resources/tools/volts-watts-amps-converter

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May 24, 2014, 02:27:20 PM
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Sorry about the uneducated question:

Some DCs quote price per kWh, others quote per amp for a 220v circuit.
What is the correct and realistic conversion between the two? I'm assuming that volts*amps = kWh is missing some efficiency factors?

http://www.supercircuits.com/resources/tools/volts-watts-amps-converter
kVolt * Amps is kW
kW * 720 = kWh per month

so 1 Amp @ 220V =0,22kV*1A =0,22kVA = 0,22 kW
0,22kW *720h/m = 158,4 kWh/m
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May 24, 2014, 02:44:20 PM
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And in my sig. That one will get renovated some time in the next 20 days.

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May 24, 2014, 02:57:19 PM
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And in my sig. That one will get renovated some time in the next 20 days.
Easiest initial setup of all miners by far and I like the interface as well. Thanks for the help everyone.
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May 24, 2014, 03:06:35 PM
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As you design more efficent chips for devices like SP30, will you continue to make a < 1200W version for those who don't have the ability to plug in 2 different circuits (single 1 kW PSU)?

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May 24, 2014, 03:59:26 PM
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We have a special facility for Bitcoin miners. Its a Tier 1 facility with no ups or diesel backup and we use direct air cooling with PUE of around 1,15.
Density per rack is 15-20kW depending on the design of the miners.

The price is 90 EUR per kW all inclusive, power, cooling and internet.

Seems quite nice for some sp10s.
When i first heard about 90€/kW i thought it would be power cost only, not including space. However, this is an all-inclusive solution.

Also, this is 100% renewable, geothermal power.

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In Reykjavik, summer lies between June and August with a peak of 13 degrees Celsius which is mild.

Hi Collider,

are you quoting an email to you from advania?

I had space reserved there for BitMine units, had they delivered, but my quoted price was higher at 120 EUR/kW, maybe now they have a better offer for miners.

They have 25% VAT on imported goods though, so you have to consider that.

This is what they told me about VAT

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> The VAT in Iceland is 25,5%. Companies shipping machines to Iceland
>have to pay this amount when the shipment arrives and get it back
>within 2 months.
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>For smaller shipments we have usually taken care of this for our
>clients, but if the shipment is very large then we have to charge you
>for the VAT payment and then reimburse it to you within 2 months.

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May 24, 2014, 04:25:35 PM
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Yes, that is the quote i got just this morning. However, i told them i would deploy multiple kW, i don´t know how many ants you have with them.

The way you are describing it is, they need you to pay VAT but you will get reimbursed after 2 months?
So basically you don´t pay VAT? Just give a two-month interest-free loan?
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May 24, 2014, 05:09:28 PM
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Yes, that is the quote i got just this morning. However, i told them i would deploy multiple kW, i don´t know how many ants you have with them.

The way you are describing it is, they need you to pay VAT but you will get reimbursed after 2 months?
So basically you don´t pay VAT? Just give a two-month interest-free loan?

If they're reclaiming the VAT and 'being' the importer, they'll have to pay it upfront and reclaim it from the government every quarter. They're asking for you to cover that 0-4 month delay.

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May 24, 2014, 05:20:19 PM
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Yes, that is the quote i got just this morning. However, i told them i would deploy multiple kW, i don´t know how many ants you have with them.

The way you are describing it is, they need you to pay VAT but you will get reimbursed after 2 months?
So basically you don´t pay VAT? Just give a two-month interest-free loan?

No Ants, they were Coincraft rigs of BitMine Sad

Anyway, if you are a company, you can have it back in two months, if you're not, you have to pay it.

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