Coronavirus Outbreak

[Cryptotourist]

Yes.

How about you set the good example here.
Flight to Wuhan, and knock yourself out.

I'll try to commemorate you.

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[Ibian]

Yes.

How about you set the good example here.
Flight to Wuhan, and knock yourself out.

I'll try to commemorate you.

This is a military operation. Send the nukes.

[USBitcoinServices.Com]

If the virus is manmade, according to whatever definition you prefer to use, then the chinese state is responsible. In this case, china must be destroyed.

More likely to be that way how it started like many others in the past, reasons are well known at this point in time!

[TwitchySeal]

It ultimately doesn't matter.

If the virus is manmade, according to whatever definition you prefer to use, then the chinese state is responsible. In this case, china must be destroyed.

If the virus is natural, again choose your preferred definition, then the entire chinese population is responsible due to their disgusting lack of hygiene. In this case, china must be destroyed.

China has no redeeming qualities. Besides their history of spreading plagues around the globe, including the actual plague, the spanish flu and the yearly sniffles, they are communists.

China delenda est.

I'd be cool with America trading our racist hate spewing knuckle-draggers for the Chinese unsanitary butchers.

Much easier to teach someone how to safely butcher animals.

[TECSHARE]

Is that what I said? Please quote.

I made the distinction in the original statement. This is desperate straw grasping. You have fun with the semantic argument over what "natural" is. The fact is this form of selective mutation does not leave the markers of genetic engineering, as cited as supposed proof that this virus was not created in a lab. This is evidence against it being genetically engineered, if the study is accurate. It is not evidence against accelerated selective mutation via natural incubation processes.

You provided no evidence that it was made in a lab. While you did not say "there is no evidence that the virus was made in a lab" verbatim, you did at least acquiesce to admit there is evidence against it being made in a lab.

You're going to say, well it could have been made in a lab in a way that has so far fooled hundreds of trained scientists into thinking that it was not. I'm saying neither one of us knows that for sure. Most people who have some to a large degree of expertise on the matter argue that either we don't know the origins or that it has natural origins (as in purely natural and not manipulated in a laboratory in any way):

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

An analysis of public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 and related viruses found no evidence that the virus was made in a laboratory or otherwise engineered.

https://sciencespeaksblog.org/2020/03/15/recent-data-and-maps-to-help-find-the-origin-of-covid-19/

Q:  What is the overwhelmingly likely origin of this outbreak-become-pandemic of the three possible ways an outbreak could begin: Naturally occurring, accidental, or intentional?

This outbreak was naturally occurring, arising from a still unidentified animal or more than one animal species. This coronavirus then infected humans and most likely over several months, e.g., between September and December, was able to acquire the ability to be transmitted from human-to-human. Whether it began in Wuhan, elsewhere in Hubei province or in China remains to be proven.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/theory-that-coronavirus-escaped-from-a-lab-lacks-evidence-67229

The pathogen appears to have come from wild animals, virologists say, and there are no signs of genetic manipulation in the SARS-CoV-2 genome.

Just for fun, here's an excerpt from that same reference that helps your conspiracy theory:

Mosher agrees that animals were the likely origin. “That doesn’t mean [the virus] wasn’t collected, brought to the lab, and was being tested on in various ways, and escaped from the lab,” he says. Mosher also does not claim that China genetically engineered the virus. “I’m not saying this has been genetically engineered to be a bioweapon that’s escaped from the lab. . . . I’m just saying that [China is] collecting dangerous pathogens, [and] they have a history of letting them escape from the lab,” he says.

(he is also the guy that wrote this article... still not exactly the same thing as "likely a bio-weapon", however)

What evidence do you have or does anybody has that it was made in a lab? What evidence do you have that anybody with any sort of medical or scientific background thinks that it was?

So do you think selectively editing my quotes makes you look better? Just lop off the end of a sentence, no big deal right? Now that you painted yourself into a corner it's not you who is mistaken, but "neither of us knows for sure".

To pretend there would be no political interference in this subject regardless of its source is just demonstrating suicidal amounts of naivete. Ignoring common sense and known established science only because some one who you think holds authority told you so is how cultists live, not free, thinking, people. There is no doubt these events are being taken advantage of to create more authoritarian control systems much like was done after 9/11/01, using the disaster to systematically strip rights and privacy. This is happening all over the world, not just in the US.

There is clear motive for certain organizations and individuals to want this kind of event. The idea that it could have been an intentionally started pandemic is not something outside of scientific fact. As with any investigation of a potential crime, you are looking first at the means, motive, and opportunity a perpetrator might have for taking the specified action. The whole point of the response to the article  "proving it could not be made in a lab" was to make it clear that it doesn't exclude these other methodologies, and is making overly exclusive claims based on the types of tests done looking for direct genetic engineering.
That being the means are there, the motive is there, and the opportunity is there.

This has created some very big economic shock waves for one. Are you saying it is impossible to imagine that some one might do something like this if they were to make billions of dollars on the foreknowledge of these events? What do these events acheive as far as national level controls of an increasingly unruly population worldwide? How do these events effect international relations? What does this mean for our privacy? Our bodily autonomy? Our livelihoods? Are you saying among all of those massive changes there is NO MOTIVE for some one, or some organizations to perpetrate this on the world population? You have fun waiting being told what you are approved to think of. I will use my own critical thinking skills, thank you.

[tvbcof]

I'd be cool with America trading our racist hate spewing knuckle-draggers for the Chinese unsanitary butchers.

Yeah, cuz there is no racism in China.

Much easier to teach someone how to safely butcher animals.

...says the guy in who's country pink slime was developed.

[DappPromotion]

We need to stay united during this crisis; therre is not need to rant about racism now.

[Lauda]

We need to stay united during this crisis; therre is not need to rant about racism now.

Liberals and their racism bullshit is unbelievable. If they can't stop ranting about it during a pandemic, there is something very messed up with their brains.

[DireWolfM14]

I'd be cool with America trading our racist hate spewing knuckle-draggers for the Chinese unsanitary butchers.

Yeah, cuz there is no racism in China.

Lol.  TwitchySeal would make the perfect subject.  He believes, without question all the propaganda that corporate MSM has been feeding him, including the lie that calling a spade a spade equates to racism.  Never mind the inherent racism demonstrated by the political party he supports, and their fondness for identity politics.

[suchmoon]

Are you saying it is impossible to imagine that some one might do something like this if they were to make billions of dollars on the foreknowledge of these events?

Can you use your imagination to create a vaccine? TYVM.

[OgNasty]

We need to stay united during this crisis; therre is not need to rant about racism now.

Liberals and their racism bullshit is unbelievable. If they can't stop ranting about it during a pandemic, there is something very messed up with their brains.

They’re liberals. They think the government is better suited to handle their money then they are but do nothing but complain about the government. Obviously there is something wrong with their brains...

[TwitchySeal]

We need to stay united during this crisis; therre is not need to rant about racism now.

Liberals and their racism bullshit is unbelievable. If they can't stop ranting about it during a pandemic, there is something very messed up with their brains.

They’re liberals. They think the government is better suited to handle their money then they are but do nothing but complain about the government. Obviously there is something wrong with their brains...

Pretty sure Ibian is not a liberal.

[Spendulus]

It ultimately doesn't matter.

If the virus is manmade, according to whatever definition you prefer to use, then the chinese state is responsible. In this case, china must be destroyed.

If the virus is natural, again choose your preferred definition, then the entire chinese population is responsible due to their disgusting lack of hygiene. In this case, china must be destroyed.

China has no redeeming qualities. Besides their history of spreading plagues around the globe, including the actual plague, the spanish flu and the yearly sniffles, they are communists.

China delenda est.

I'd be cool with America trading our racist hate spewing knuckle-draggers for the Chinese unsanitary butchers.

Much easier to teach someone how to safely butcher animals.

You'd clean out the Democratic Party ranks if you got ride of our racists.

Realistically, those sorts of unsanitary markets and cultural attitudes are not just in China, I have seen them all over the asian world. And oddly enough, the crude, harsh and totalitarian Communist party would be the Overlord that ordered such practices to stop. That would be done at international outrage but would NOT be acknowledged as being due to it.

We're deep partners and friends with the Chinese people, and we are largely responsible for their being lifted up out of the darkness of Maoism. But it's a gradual process, and there is much for them to learn from us. And us from them.

[tvbcof]

You'd clean out the Democratic Party ranks if you got ride of our racists.

True, there are a lot higher percentage of Jews in the Democratic party, or at least ones that don't go to excessive lengths to hide it.

It's unclear how much of the racial surpreamacy remains after the religious elements of Judaism have been shelved, but in my experience with my many secular Jewish friends, I would say that elements of it linger on.  Hard not to when they see in themselves and their peers, relative to the goyim, a distinct and obviously statistically relevant difference in aspects of their being (intellectual prowess in particular), and I cannot fault them for this as I see the same thing in them.

OTOH, it's hard to know exactly how 'secular' a self-professed secular Jew actually is since there is a rich history of going crypto (often times for very understandable reasons.)  Complicating that, is someone who is an enthusiast of kabbalah or Zionism religious or not?  Both frameworks are rooted in Jewish supremacy, but they can be (and often are) marketed as secular.

[nutildah]

So do you think selectively editing my quotes makes you look better? Just lop off the end of a sentence, no big deal right? Now that you painted yourself into a corner it's not you who is mistaken, but "neither of us knows for sure".

To pretend there would be no political interference in this subject regardless of its source is just demonstrating suicidal amounts of naivete. Ignoring common sense and known established science only because some one who you think holds authority told you so is how cultists live, not free, thinking, people. There is no doubt these events are being taken advantage of to create more authoritarian control systems much like was done after 9/11/01, using the disaster to systematically strip rights and privacy. This is happening all over the world, not just in the US.

There is clear motive for certain organizations and individuals to want this kind of event. The idea that it could have been an intentionally started pandemic is not something outside of scientific fact. As with any investigation of a potential crime, you are looking first at the means, motive, and opportunity a perpetrator might have for taking the specified action. The whole point of the response to the article  "proving it could not be made in a lab" was to make it clear that it doesn't exclude these other methodologies, and is making overly exclusive claims based on the types of tests done looking for direct genetic engineering.
That being the means are there, the motive is there, and the opportunity is there.

This has created some very big economic shock waves for one. Are you saying it is impossible to imagine that some one might do something like this if they were to make billions of dollars on the foreknowledge of these events? What do these events acheive as far as national level controls of an increasingly unruly population worldwide? How do these events effect international relations? What does this mean for our privacy? Our bodily autonomy? Our livelihoods? Are you saying among all of those massive changes there is NO MOTIVE for some one, or some organizations to perpetrate this on the world population? You have fun waiting being told what you are approved to think of. I will use my own critical thinking skills, thank you.

Okay, so zero evidence. You have no evidence that backs up your theory that this disease is "likely a bio-weapon." Even though this section of the forum has never been a bastion of critical thought - people don't exactly come here to get the latest information about an issue - I just think its irresponsible to be pushing a divisive narrative about a sensitive topic when there is absolutely no evidence behind it.

[squatz1]

I'd be cool with America trading our racist hate spewing knuckle-draggers for the Chinese unsanitary butchers.

Yeah, cuz there is no racism in China.

Lol.  TwitchySeal would make the perfect subject.  He believes, without question all the propaganda that corporate MSM has been feeding him, including the lie that calling a spade a spade equates to racism.  Never mind the inherent racism demonstrated by the political party he supports, and their fondness for identity politics.

WELL YEAH BUT CHINA IS GOOD AND AMERICA BAD (/s if anyone didn't notice) Do people not notice the atrocities that China commits every day, not even something that can compare to America. China literally has people in concentration camps right now and have been seen on video taking out their organs while they're still alive.

No one bats an eye. What the FUCK.

[TwitchySeal]

I'd be cool with America trading our racist hate spewing knuckle-draggers for the Chinese unsanitary butchers.

Yeah, cuz there is no racism in China.

Lol.  TwitchySeal would make the perfect subject.  He believes, without question all the propaganda that corporate MSM has been feeding him, including the lie that calling a spade a spade equates to racism.  Never mind the inherent racism demonstrated by the political party he supports, and their fondness for identity politics.

WELL YEAH BUT CHINA IS GOOD AND AMERICA BAD (/s if anyone didn't notice) Do people not notice the atrocities that China commits every day, not even something that can compare to America. China literally has people in concentration camps right now and have been seen on video taking out their organs while they're still alive.

No one bats an eye. What the FUCK.

I was referring to him attacking the billions of innocent Chinese citizens and their culture, which includes the millions of Uyghurs locked in those camps just for being muslim.

If the virus is natural, again choose your preferred definition, then the entire chinese population is responsible due to their disgusting lack of hygiene. In this case, china must be destroyed.

[Ibian]

We need to stay united during this crisis; therre is not need to rant about racism now.

Liberals and their racism bullshit is unbelievable. If they can't stop ranting about it during a pandemic, there is something very messed up with their brains.

They’re liberals. They think the government is better suited to handle their money then they are but do nothing but complain about the government. Obviously there is something wrong with their brains...

Pretty sure Ibian is not a liberal.

Going by the political compass, I'm literally Hitler a radical centrist. Dead center on both axi. But that means my primary value is personal freedom so, you could call me that if you want.

Personally I see myself as primarily an observer. History repeats, and I see where things are going. There is nothing I can do about it and nobody listens anyway.

You'd clean out the Democratic Party ranks if you got ride of our racists.

True, there are a lot higher percentage of Jews in the Democratic party, or at least ones that don't go to excessive lengths to hide it.

It's unclear how much of the racial surpreamacy remains after the religious elements of Judaism have been shelved, but in my experience with my many secular Jewish friends, I would say that elements of it linger on.  Hard not to when they see in themselves and their peers, relative to the goyim, a distinct and obviously statistically relevant difference in aspects of their being (intellectual prowess in particular), and I cannot fault them for this as I see the same thing in them.

OTOH, it's hard to know exactly how 'secular' a self-professed secular Jew actually is since there is a rich history of going crypto (often times for very understandable reasons.)  Complicating that, is someone who is an enthusiast of kabbalah or Zionism religious or not?  Both frameworks are rooted in Jewish supremacy, but they can be (and often are) marketed as secular.

The very fact that they call anyone not a jew a goy is part of the jewish problem. It has precisely the same meaning as barbarian, nigger, cracker, nazi, gaijin and all the other similar terms. It means you are not one of us, and we are better.

Jews need to clean up their own ranks if they don't want another holocaust within a generation or two. Hate towards them is growing.

I'd be cool with America trading our racist hate spewing knuckle-draggers for the Chinese unsanitary butchers.

Yeah, cuz there is no racism in China.

Lol.  TwitchySeal would make the perfect subject.  He believes, without question all the propaganda that corporate MSM has been feeding him, including the lie that calling a spade a spade equates to racism.  Never mind the inherent racism demonstrated by the political party he supports, and their fondness for identity politics.

WELL YEAH BUT CHINA IS GOOD AND AMERICA BAD (/s if anyone didn't notice) Do people not notice the atrocities that China commits every day, not even something that can compare to America. China literally has people in concentration camps right now and have been seen on video taking out their organs while they're still alive.

No one bats an eye. What the FUCK.

Current westerners hate themselves. They literally want their own people to die, and foreigners to prosper, at our own expense. They are traitors. This is how nations fall.

[nutildah]

I was referring to him attacking the billions of innocent Chinese citizens and their culture, which includes the millions of Uyghurs locked in those camps just for being muslim.

If the virus is natural, again choose your preferred definition, then the entire chinese population is responsible due to their disgusting lack of hygiene. In this case, china must be destroyed.

I recommend everyone just put him on ignore. I've had him on ignore for quite a while, it works great. Based on the quotes of him I've read, I offer the following advice:

Don't be like Ibian. Try to keep it together, for yourself and for the people around you.

I myself will make extra attempts from here on out to follow my own advice.

Good luck to everybody!

[TECSHARE]

Okay, so zero evidence. You have no evidence that backs up your theory that this disease is "likely a bio-weapon." Even though this section of the forum has never been a bastion of critical thought - people don't exactly come here to get the latest information about an issue - I just think its irresponsible to be pushing a divisive narrative about a sensitive topic when there is absolutely no evidence behind it.

Is that what I said, or what your prefer to imagine? You don't find this section useful because you not only demand to have information spoon fed to you from people in positions of authority, you lack the ability to exercise independent critical thought. Good thing we have you here to tell everyone else what is reasonable to think about and discuss. We wouldn't want anyone thinking for themselves right? Free thought is irresponsible. What is responsible is to be told what to think by the proper authorities!