Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[suchmoon]

In Russia, the service sector is underdeveloped, which in developed countries gives up to 70-80% of GDP. Also in Russia, the habit of living in debt is less developed, which also negatively affects the absolute figures of GDP, but is favorable for a healthier structure of the economy.

The "habit" seems to be developing quickly:

For the nine months of 2022, 10.9 million enforcement proceedings were issued to Russian citizens with restriction of the right to travel outside the country, Izvestia was told in the Federal Bailiff Service (FSSP). In the same period last year, 8.7 million people could not go abroad because of debts.

In total, from January to September, bailiffs had 110.4 million productions on execution. If we compare this number with the number of people not allowed to travel abroad, it turns out that approximately every tenth debtor in Russia is deprived of the opportunity to cross the border.

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[BADecker]

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As usual. Since you can't seem to get a clear picture of what is really going on, all you can do is spout some psychological, theoretical, meandering junk about ancient history that doesn't fit or have anything to do with what is going on in the war.

I do not want to get off-topic, but the fact that you despise history - probably because you think the world was created the moment you were born - perfectly explains why are you reinventing the wheel over and over, but making it a perfect square.

There is nothing psychological about it, religions and cultures coexist all over the world and is not ancient history. It is Belgium, Spain, Morocco (yes, not all Moroccans are actually Morrocans), perhaps around 10 countries in Africa, a few in Oceania and that is just to name a few... and yes, it is a question of willing to get alone and to not get poisoned from people who want to divide and confront. Again... no wonder you like Trump, your world is small and confrontational and you think you have "the right information" and any official media is by default wrong.

I commend you for your attempts to continue, especially to stay on topic. And I thank you for staying on topic indirectly, by focusing on something else, thereby showing you have stayed as far as you can stay on topic.

So, we see that the Ukrainians are just as Russian as the Russians are Ukrainian. It takes another country to push them all off balance, and that country is the US.

Why is the US doing it this way? Because the methods they were using to conquer countries in the past didn't work... at least not very well. That's why they are shoveling all kinds of money and armaments into Ukraine, and hoping that the Ukrainian people will love the money enough to fight the US war against Russia for her. It's a new world method.

Why did the US change methods? Because Russia changed to the free-trade method, and started to overcome US trade relations around the world.

The silly people of Ukraine don't even see how they are being bamboozled by the US. Even if nobody uses nukes, by the time it is all over:
1. The whole US economy will be hurt;
2. Russia will be damaged some;
3. Ukraine will essentially be destroyed, except that Russia might have mercy on this people who are essentially their brothers. But maybe they won't, if Ukraine stupidly destroys the last feelings of brotherhood that Russia might have for them.

Any sympathy that people of the US might have for Ukraine, will be gone when things get hard enough for Americans economically. It always works this way... when one country supports another to their own detriment.

[TwitchySeal]

Ukraine will essentially be destroyed, except that Russia might have mercy on this people who are essentially their brothers. But maybe they won't, if Ukraine stupidly destroys the last feelings of brotherhood that Russia might have for them.

For much of the war, Russian forces held onto a bright spot: the city of Kherson, the only regional capital they had captured since the invasion began.

But the Russians withdrew from the city in November. Intercepted phone calls from Russian soldiers in the region showed their bitterness as they were coming under fire — with much of their anger directed at their commanders.



The defeat carried a particular sting, because Russia had tried to assimilate the population of Kherson and stamp out Ukrainian identity.



Some soldiers felt sacrificed by hypocritical commanders trying to save themselves.



Bracing for death, some soldiers slipped into despair.



Read more and click the links: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/16/world/europe/russia-putin-war-failures-ukraine.html#collapsing-front

[Branko]

Lol, NY Times, PR wing of US Army

Meanwhile

https://socialbites.ca/politics/146958.html

"currently the leaders of EU countries are afraid of “caused discontent” by the United States or “blackmailed” by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky." - French EP MP Thierry Mariani

[paxmao]

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Why did the US change methods? Because Russia changed to the free-trade method, and started to overcome US trade relations around the world.

The silly people of Ukraine don't even see how they are being bamboozled by the US. Even if nobody uses nukes, by the time it is all over:
1. The whole US economy will be hurt;
2. Russia will be damaged some;
3. Ukraine will essentially be destroyed, except that Russia might have mercy on this people who are essentially their brothers. But maybe they won't, if Ukraine stupidly destroys the last feelings of brotherhood that Russia might have for them.

Any sympathy that people of the US might have for Ukraine, will be gone when things get hard enough for Americans economically. It always works this way... when one country supports another to their own detriment.

The US economy is not much hurt - thought yes, China, US, and EU will not grow much next year. US will be selling weapons for the next decade like never before.
The Russian Federation is not being hurt "some", is being specifically bashed for second year in a row. And there is much more to come after breaking relations with half of the civilised world.

Ukraine will have a severe damage. If it gets an agreement with Europe, which is likely, will be rebuilt better.

US does not have "sympathy" for Ukraine. Nations do not have friends, they have interests and on this case US interests are very clear.

Lol, NY Times, PR wing of US Army

Meanwhile

https://socialbites.ca/politics/146958.html

"currently the leaders of EU countries are afraid of “caused discontent” by the United States or “blackmailed” by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky." - French EP MP Thierry Mariani

Interpretation="Blackmail", facts: negotiation under pressures, which everyone knows is happening.

[BADecker]

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Why did the US change methods? Because Russia changed to the free-trade method, and started to overcome US trade relations around the world.

The silly people of Ukraine don't even see how they are being bamboozled by the US. Even if nobody uses nukes, by the time it is all over:
1. The whole US economy will be hurt;
2. Russia will be damaged some;
3. Ukraine will essentially be destroyed, except that Russia might have mercy on this people who are essentially their brothers. But maybe they won't, if Ukraine stupidly destroys the last feelings of brotherhood that Russia might have for them.

Any sympathy that people of the US might have for Ukraine, will be gone when things get hard enough for Americans economically. It always works this way... when one country supports another to their own detriment.

The US economy is not much hurt - thought yes, China, US, and EU will not grow much next year. US will be selling weapons for the next decade like never before.
The Russian Federation is not being hurt "some", is being specifically bashed for second year in a row. And there is much more to come after breaking relations with half of the civilised world.

Ukraine will have a severe damage. If it gets an agreement with Europe, which is likely, will be rebuilt better.

US does not have "sympathy" for Ukraine. Nations do not have friends, they have interests and on this case US interests are very clear.

The thing that you and many others are missing is, the whole US and European economy is built on stolen money. It has to do with the banking system collecting loan repayment money from the people at least two times.

The people are finding out about this. And when they find out fully, they will move on to other things. It's starting with cryptocurrencies... and around the world with BRICS.

When the US banking system fails, there won't be anything left to support world projects with. Russia could easily become the dominant nation, because they are basing their money on real-value rather than stolen money. At least they are more in the direction of real value than stolen fake fiat money.

This is happening right now. It's the reason why world elite money people are pushing for the Great Reset. Current money systems are failing for the West.

When US money fails for Ukraine, Russia will run right over her.

[Synchronice]

Probably because West wants their resources, so they sent Germany in WW1, then Lenin to make revolution, then supported bloodshed that ensued
in civil war, then sent Hitler, then sent Chicago boys and now sent Zelensky...hard to develop when big chunk of the world is working against that
all the time

Do you mean the USA in the west or a combination of some western countries? I don't get it, which country or part of countries sent Germany in WW1? So, as you say, the west sent Germany in WW1 to get Russia's resources but instead were helping them against the Germany, right? Do you find any logic here? I don't remember the west helping Germany against the Soviet Union, so idk what's in your mind.

[Branko]

Probably because West wants their resources, so they sent Germany in WW1, then Lenin to make revolution, then supported bloodshed that ensued
in civil war, then sent Hitler, then sent Chicago boys and now sent Zelensky...hard to develop when big chunk of the world is working against that
all the time

Do you mean the USA in the west or a combination of some western countries? I don't get it, which country or part of countries sent Germany in WW1? So, as you say, the west sent Germany in WW1 to get Russia's resources but instead were helping them against the Germany, right? Do you find any logic here? I don't remember the west helping Germany against the Soviet Union, so idk what's in your mind.

Its a bit more complicated, as its how the game is been played.
People are writing books about the subject

I recommend

https://ia902904.us.archive.org/5/items/F.WilliamEngdahlCenturyOfWar/F.%20William%20Engdahl%20-%20Century%20of%20War.pdf

and



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btF6nKHo2i0

[TwitchySeal]

The thing that you and many others are missing is, the whole US and European economy is built on stolen money. It has to do with the banking system collecting loan repayment money from the people at least two times.

The people are finding out about this. And when they find out fully, they will move on to other things. It's starting with cryptocurrencies... and around the world with BRICS.

Actually the banking system only collects money to repay loans once.  If they were collecting repayment twice, people would have noticed already.  I'm sure you're right in BADeckerville, just not in the real world.

[BADecker]

The thing that you and many others are missing is, the whole US and European economy is built on stolen money. It has to do with the banking system collecting loan repayment money from the people at least two times.

The people are finding out about this. And when they find out fully, they will move on to other things. It's starting with cryptocurrencies... and around the world with BRICS.

Actually the banking system only collects money to repay loans once.  If they were collecting repayment twice, people would have noticed already.  I'm sure you're right in BADeckerville, just not in the real world.

Except that when you check into it, you will find that the promissory note in a loan is a negotiable instrument (NI). Negotiable instruments are being and have been used as money. In the past (possibly for hundreds of years), many NIs were actually used as money publicly at times. The banks still use them that way by depositing them into a bank account after receiving them from the borrowers.

Following that, many of the banks trade them for cash or other NIs in ways that shows that they are money. All it takes are a few Internet searches to dig up bank pamphlets that say this, and websites that explain it.

So, the borrower pays his loan back twice:
1. First time with the promissory note he uses to get the loan;
2. Second time with the payments he makes over the years;

In addition, the interest might make it 3 or 4 times. The interest wouldn't exist if the first time (#1) had been recognized as the payment that it was.

As far as people not recognizing this, we can see how gullible people are by the fact that they think that the US is actually helping Ukraine fight a war for the benefit of Ukraine and freedom.

[TwitchySeal]

So, the borrower pays his loan back twice:
1. First time with the promissory note he uses to get the loan;
2. Second time with the payments he makes over the years;

Promissory note is just an agreement to the terms of the loan. It can be transferred and negotiated, but using one doesnt mean you "pay back the loan twice" since using one does not pay back the loan.  

That concludes this finance debate. You win in badeckerville. Congrats. I'll take the boring real world win.

[BADecker]

So, the borrower pays his loan back twice:
1. First time with the promissory note he uses to get the loan;
2. Second time with the payments he makes over the years;

Promissory note is just an agreement to the terms of the loan. It can be transferred and negotiated, but using one doesnt mean you "pay back the loan twice" since using one does not pay back the loan.  

That concludes this finance debate. You win in badeckerville. Congrats. I'll take the boring real world win.

You entirely ignore the fact that the promissory note or mortgage note are negotiable instruments (NI). Some other NIs are checks and money orders. If they are not technically money, they are all at least treated as money, especially by the bank.

The excess paid to banks the second time, over the years - because people don't realize that NIs are money, and that they paid off their promissory-note/NI by trading it to the bank for cash/bank-check - goes for loads of things, including into Ukraine for their military support in the war.


‘We Are Facing the Entire NATO in Ukraine’ – Kremlin Says, as UK Mulls Battle Tanks


https://www.infowars.com/posts/we-are-facing-the-entire-nato-in-ukraine-kremlin-says-as-uk-mulls-battle-tanks/
Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolay Patrushev has issued ultra-provocative words claiming that it's not fundamentally Ukraine that Russia is at war with, but that the Russian military is facing all of NATO inside Ukraine.

"The events in Ukraine aren't a clash between Moscow and Kiev. It's a military confrontation of NATO, first of all the US and Britain, with Russia. Fearing a direct engagement, NATO instructors push Ukrainian men to certain death," he said in a fresh interview with state-owned newspaper aif.ru.

Patrushev continued by describing Russia's military as geared toward seeking to "free its regions from occupation and must put an end to the West's bloody experiment to destroy the fraternal people of Ukraine."

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[suchmoon]

We Are Facing the Entire NATO in Ukraine

I thought Konashenkov can destroy 3 NATOs per day, what are they crying about now...

[BADecker]

We Are Facing the Entire NATO in Ukraine

I thought Konashenkov can destroy 3 NATOs per day, what are they crying about now...

They aren't crying about their lack of ability to do that job... 3 NATOs per day. What they are crying about is that they don't want to be killers. They are peaceful people, being forced into killing to protect themselves.

Or haven't you listened to Putin's New Year's speech, yet >>> https://beforeitsnews.com/international/2023/01/putin-delivers-new-year-2023-speech-2510566.html.

[hasan21]

You can see it on the guide if need.
We extreme immense barrage on us.
Presently unique politicans from RF simply go to us by youtube. They say that Ukraine will be annihilated.
For this second I need to sort out something like a philanthropic cycle in my locale.
Since I inhabit Pokotilovka. It is on the city borders.
Individuals are coordinated well, and some food was moved here today.
Yet, there are many individuals having issue to get to it on account of calculated issues, specifically It happens to elderly folks individuals. What's more, the food supply was not such huge(at all I can say).
So I simply need to arrange a vehicle to philanthropic centers or even buy some at item stockpiles.
Likewise need to say regarding myself - I have a spouse and 3 childrens in addition to father and mother in my home until further notice. What's more, our food stocks are around 1 fourteen days.
At that point online installment administrations are working in my country.

[suchmoon]

Speaking of Clownashenkov, he seems to be contradicting the Z-hero himself, Putin's heir apparent, Wagner's hammerman Prigozhin. The latter claimed that wagnerists control Soledar, RF MOD says not yet, fight is ongoing. Ukrainian MOD says the same, so it's quite bizarre that Russia's chief liar might be telling the truth for once. Veleor will be happy.

[BADecker]

You can see it on the guide if need.
We extreme immense barrage on us.
Presently unique politicans from RF simply go to us by youtube. They say that Ukraine will be annihilated.
For this second I need to sort out something like a philanthropic cycle in my locale.
Since I inhabit Pokotilovka. It is on the city borders.
Individuals are coordinated well, and some food was moved here today.
Yet, there are many individuals having issue to get to it on account of calculated issues, specifically It happens to elderly folks individuals. What's more, the food supply was not such huge(at all I can say).
So I simply need to arrange a vehicle to philanthropic centers or even buy some at item stockpiles.
Likewise need to say regarding myself - I have a spouse and 3 childrens in addition to father and mother in my home until further notice. What's more, our food stocks are around 1 fourteen days.
At that point online installment administrations are working in my country.

The American people need to wake up and change their banking system and government... before their government does the same things to them as it did to Ukraine.

[suchmoon]

Russian general "Armageddon" Surovikin, who was supposed to turn the shitshow around but ended up giving up Kherson and wasting missiles on transformers, has been demoted from the position of the commander of the "special operation". The new commander is Valery Gerasimov (Chief of the General Staff), who seems to get a lot of hate in the Z-channels for alleged corruption and incompetence. I doubt this will improve anything for the Russian forces. Maybe Gerasimov will be the fall guy.

[be.open]

Speaking of Clownashenkov, he seems to be contradicting the Z-hero himself, Putin's heir apparent, Wagner's hammerman Prigozhin. The latter claimed that wagnerists control Soledar, RF MOD says not yet, fight is ongoing. Ukrainian MOD says the same, so it's quite bizarre that Russia's chief liar might be telling the truth for once. Veleor will be happy.

As I understand it, a cauldron was formed there for at least 400 fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who heroically continue to resist without much chance of success after losing control over the dominant height. Good job Wagner.

Russian general "Armageddon" Surovikin, who was supposed to turn the shitshow around but ended up giving up Kherson and wasting missiles on transformers, has been demoted from the position of the commander of the "special operation". The new commander is Valery Gerasimov (Chief of the General Staff), who seems to get a lot of hate in the Z-channels for alleged corruption and incompetence. I doubt this will improve anything for the Russian forces. Maybe Gerasimov will be the fall guy.

It seems that Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny spoke well of Gerasimov, saying that "read all his books."

[Branko]

Russian general "Armageddon" Surovikin, who was supposed to turn the shitshow around but ended up giving up Kherson and wasting missiles on transformers, has been demoted from the position of the commander of the "special operation". The new commander is Valery Gerasimov (Chief of the General Staff), who seems to get a lot of hate in the Z-channels for alleged corruption and incompetence. I doubt this will improve anything for the Russian forces. Maybe Gerasimov will be the fall guy.

NATO in Serbia did nothing but wasted missiles on transformers, bridges, buses, hospitals etc for weeks...and it worked in the end