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February 19, 2023, 08:08:50 AM
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~ The technology used on that AI program is something into a highest level.

That's the reason it can give predictions and speculations close to being accurate because it has lots of sources used to form an analyis.

In gambling related, if it's used as reference, nothing wrong on doing that as long as not totally relying all our bets with it.

We can check how it works and how accurate its predictions are, betting $0.20 at a time. We can make many such bets before we decide whether to rely on it or not. And even if we are satisfied with the results, we shouldn't "totally rely" on anything if by "totally relying" you mean risking more than we can afford to lose.

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February 19, 2023, 08:37:10 AM
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~ The technology used on that AI program is something into a highest level.

That's the reason it can give predictions and speculations close to being accurate because it has lots of sources used to form an analyis.

In gambling related, if it's used as reference, nothing wrong on doing that as long as not totally relying all our bets with it.

We can check how it works and how accurate its predictions are, betting $0.20 at a time. We can make many such bets before we decide whether to rely on it or not. And even if we are satisfied with the results, we shouldn't "totally rely" on anything if by "totally relying" you mean risking more than we can afford to lose.

If using this AI will bring about consistency, then it's likely that people will use it to win, potentially defeating the notion that no one wins in gambling or that it's hard to win. Honestly, I doubt that AI would help us win, but there's no harm in trying. Let's see.

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February 19, 2023, 10:06:31 AM
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ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are?  Any other thoughts?
I had to follow more of peiple who leave the hope of their betting to AI and well I see so much confidence in the morales of people who indulge in such practice of leaving their bets to AI and at some points I was really tempted to join but I really couldn't trust the process that much because it's a 50/50 ratio to me as there are both losses and progits and nothing is actually gauranteed in the gambling industry.

But I really don't see any reason why I ahould leave or trust an AI to mae my bets for me because I'm very sure that I wouldn't be able to tskenit lightly if thete was a loss because I love to see the cause of failure just incase there is one and this reason alone wouldn't let me use AI as there wouldn't be an physical person for me to verge the disappointment on.
AI betting decisions conflict me as a gambler. It's sensible to be suspicious of technologies that may fail and inflict losses. Own and learn from your bets. AI betting decisions may benefit. It can analyze enormous data sets and make statistical predictions humans cannot. Thus, the betting issue is whether to use AI tools or one's own judgment and knowledge.

Balance is essential. AI is hazardous, but ignoring its benefits is a mistake. Thus, one must weigh the pros and cons and make decisions based on their requirements and aspirations. Each gambler chooses AI. I'll move slowly. You? AI betting?

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February 19, 2023, 11:13:13 AM
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If using this AI will bring about consistency, then it's likely that people will use it to win, potentially defeating the notion that no one wins in gambling or that it's hard to win. Honestly, I doubt that AI would help us win, but there's no harm in trying. Let's see.

Yeah, well, casinos also are using AI to calculate their odds, so in reality it's the same as usual.

I don't think anything will change really, casinos will just change their odds, using the latest tech.

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February 19, 2023, 11:49:11 AM
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If using this AI will bring about consistency, then it's likely that people will use it to win, potentially defeating the notion that no one wins in gambling or that it's hard to win. Honestly, I doubt that AI would help us win, but there's no harm in trying. Let's see.

Yeah, well, casinos also are using AI to calculate their odds, so in reality it's the same as usual.

I don't think anything will change really, casinos will just change their odds, using the latest tech.
Casinos will surely also use AI to help their casinos work and will not allow people to win easily using AI. Everything may be based on AI in the future, both casinos and gamblers, because there is potential for AI to help humans work. But it will take time to see how AI can work optimally to help casinos work and help gamblers collect a lot of info from the games they want to play. So we'll see as soon as those developers release those AI technologies.

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February 19, 2023, 12:28:43 PM
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If using this AI will bring about consistency, then it's likely that people will use it to win, potentially defeating the notion that no one wins in gambling or that it's hard to win. Honestly, I doubt that AI would help us win, but there's no harm in trying. Let's see.

Yeah, well, casinos also are using AI to calculate their odds, so in reality it's the same as usual.

I don't think anything will change really, casinos will just change their odds, using the latest tech.
Casinos will surely also use AI to help their casinos work and will not allow people to win easily using AI. Everything may be based on AI in the future, both casinos and gamblers, because there is potential for AI to help humans work. But it will take time to see how AI can work optimally to help casinos work and help gamblers collect a lot of info from the games they want to play. So we'll see as soon as those developers release those AI technologies.

I also see this one to happen if in case AI will be features then casino owners will also take the advantages of using the same system to prevent bigger losses and suffer from bankruptcy, they will find ways for sure, they've got developers who also have that same knowledge to work with this emerging technology.

What do we expect from them, just letting gamblers to see a good advantage? For sure no! they will also do things that will let them to continue being in the upper hands.

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February 19, 2023, 12:47:11 PM
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Emotion is just like a double blade which it could really be a disadvantage but at the same time it could really be an edge considering that AI's couldnt able to assess particular conditions which you would really be making out decisions basing into your own analysis.This is why its better to assess your own predictions basing up with your own skills and analysis rather than on making yourself that relying into these AI which i dont
see for it to be that relevant. Also, it should really be that separated because there are really that things which arent meant to be touched up by these things or not really
that relevant at all.
Yo, when it comes to gamblin, emotions can be a real double-edge sword. On the one hand, they can mess up your thinkin and make you do some cray impulsive stuff that aint based on no real analysis. But on the other hand, emotions can give you a real edge over them AI systems that cant read human intuition and perception. But let me tell ya, its important to keep them emotions in check and not be makin decisions solely based on how you feel. You gotta assess your own skills and analysis and not just rely on no AI or other external factors. And hey, there are some things that emotions just aint meant to be messin with, like ethical considerations and personal values. From my own wise experience, you gotta find that sweet spot between trustin your gut and doin some real rational analysis when makin decisions, whether its in gamblin or any other field.

I understand your point, sometimes when we play casino we would like to have the coolness of a robot or an AI to avoid mistakes that make us feel our emotions, now as almost everyone is with the AI fever, I didn't know they exist AI that are for predicting (although an AI in the World Cup in Qatar caught my attention), perhaps an AI predicts as it does the mathematical and probabilistic calculations, although for the World Cup in Qatar an AI predicted that the final would be between Argentina and Portugal and that Argentina would win it, it failed in one aspect but in the end it came out the winner, this AI is sometimes scary, I don't know what position it will leave humanity in if the AI begins to possess many things.

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Due to the recent success of neural networks in areas (drawings, music, programming, etc.) where they were considered incapable of succeeding, the letter AI is now attracting everyone's attention  Wink
By the way, let me try to guess - your example is about processing statistical information? It seems to me the most obvious, because knowing the "digitized personality" of an athlete/team, you can more accurately predict its results.
Was plenty surprised when a lot of AI samples generated realistic images. Not realistic drawings, but realistic images. I wouldn't have doubted it was a photo taken by someone else really if I didn't see that it was just AI-generated, I feel like just a few months back I doubted how AI can do this and that but now they've pretty much done a lot already comparatively speaking.

Also, I'd be plenty surprised if there was some sort of method that didn't need statistics to generate a guess. Generally speaking, most predictions made by people often rely on data, it can come from a lot of sources though and some may be incomplete or not but that's basically the basis for everything. Tbf I reckon an AI built on top of how bookmakers provide their odds can probably give out semi-accurate predictions already.

This was inevitable as the AI makes its generations of (whatever) better and better. For example, it is quite difficult to distinguish a fully generated person from a photograph of a real person.
As for predictions based on data, the real breakthrough will happen when the AI itself begins to collect them, and not just use the data sets provided by people/game protocols, etc.

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February 19, 2023, 05:28:34 PM
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As far as I know the AI is still having trouble generating the hands of people and soccer players, but I think that if the developers spend a little more time on this, and this issue will be resolved. And the faces of the generated people really are very harmonious and look real.

I'm afraid to even imagine what will happen when the AI will start looking for information on their own.

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February 19, 2023, 05:35:05 PM
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Due to the recent success of neural networks in areas (drawings, music, programming, etc.) where they were considered incapable of succeeding, the letter AI is now attracting everyone's attention  Wink
By the way, let me try to guess - your example is about processing statistical information? It seems to me the most obvious, because knowing the "digitized personality" of an athlete/team, you can more accurately predict its results.
Was plenty surprised when a lot of AI samples generated realistic images. Not realistic drawings, but realistic images. I wouldn't have doubted it was a photo taken by someone else really if I didn't see that it was just AI-generated, I feel like just a few months back I doubted how AI can do this and that but now they've pretty much done a lot already comparatively speaking.

Also, I'd be plenty surprised if there was some sort of method that didn't need statistics to generate a guess. Generally speaking, most predictions made by people often rely on data, it can come from a lot of sources though and some may be incomplete or not but that's basically the basis for everything. Tbf I reckon an AI built on top of how bookmakers provide their odds can probably give out semi-accurate predictions already.

This was inevitable as the AI makes its generations of (whatever) better and better. For example, it is quite difficult to distinguish a fully generated person from a photograph of a real person.
As for predictions based on data, the real breakthrough will happen when the AI itself begins to collect them, and not just use the data sets provided by people/game protocols, etc.

AI generates answers I think based also on the indexed information by search engines so if it's possible AI may also collect from the sports pickers which the AI will search polls on sports forums not just depending on the bookmaker's odds.

But still, it's not a prediction that will give 100%. There are still upset fights that are unforeseeable by anyone. What would be surprising if the AI also gives you a calculation or cheats of how to win more money when you bet on different platforms.

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February 19, 2023, 05:41:56 PM
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As far as I know the AI is still having trouble generating the hands of people and soccer players, but I think that if the developers spend a little more time on this, and this issue will be resolved. And the faces of the generated people really are very harmonious and look real.

I'm afraid to even imagine what will happen when the AI will start looking for information on their own.

This AI thing has been going on for a long time and things have been happening in the background that we will never even get to know in the short term, the news is viral, but that does not indicate that this is new.

By the way, who could win the dunking competition 2023 NBA Slam Dunk Contest (AllStars NBA); and it didn't hit the player who won, although in fact, it player was a complete surprise.


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February 19, 2023, 07:29:20 PM
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AI generates answers I think based also on the indexed information by search engines so if it's possible AI may also collect from the sports pickers which the AI will search polls on sports forums not just depending on the bookmaker's odds.

But still, it's not a prediction that will give 100%. There are still upset fights that are unforeseeable by anyone. What would be surprising if the AI also gives you a calculation or cheats of how to win more money when you bet on different platforms.
When there are such limitations are still possible, I am not sure why this much hype is going on everywhere on all the products which are AI driven. When I tried openAI and I asked about future events, I got answers like future events are not covered. So, when these bots are running with the help of database, expecting predictions is complete foolishness and nothing else.

Honestly I do not have any plans to use any AI bots for my sportsbetting; I still believe into my own skills as per my past history and performances.
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Due to the recent success of neural networks in areas (drawings, music, programming, etc.) where they were considered incapable of succeeding, the letter AI is now attracting everyone's attention  Wink
By the way, let me try to guess - your example is about processing statistical information? It seems to me the most obvious, because knowing the "digitized personality" of an athlete/team, you can more accurately predict its results.

Yeah, I wouldn't count on that information too much.

It's well known that current AIs basically hallucinate, so they will tell you facts with a straight face, making it sound all official, but in reality it contains lots of information that is simply made up.

I wouldn't rely on that kind of information, specially because it's hard and time consuming to fact check everything.

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I also see this one to happen if in case AI will be features then casino owners will also take the advantages of using the same system to prevent bigger losses and suffer from bankruptcy, they will find ways for sure, they've got developers who also have that same knowledge to work with this emerging technology.

What do we expect from them, just letting gamblers to see a good advantage? For sure no! they will also do things that will let them to continue being in the upper hands.
There is bound to be technological competition between players and casino owners trying to earn money from gambling. And there is a possibility that players can win more matches because players can have more choices of matches to bet on. Casinos will try to develop technology that can prevent AI from helping players to get more information.

And it's very interesting to see it happen in the future after AI technology has been developed better than today. And maybe the casinos will still manage to keep an advantage over gamblers trying to win big bucks.

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We also evaluate the historical data when making predictions about the results of the matches. If we manage to give the right data to the AI technology, I think we can get the best predictions about the match results. Of course, we will not always get the best results from him, but I think we can get close to the best results. I see such developments as positive developments.

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February 20, 2023, 07:31:56 PM
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The technology used on that AI program is something into a highest level.

That's the reason it can give predictions and speculations close to being accurate because it has lots of sources used to form an analyis.

In gambling related, if it's used as reference, nothing wrong on doing that as long as not totally relying all our bets with it.
Yeah, there is a strong AI wind right now that is getting bigger and bigger, people are acting as if this is such a normal thing because AI is looking better than ever, but the reality is that we just cracked a few ceilings and have a bit better AI and it's nowhere near the level where it can predict outcomes of games.

You can believe in that as much as you want, you can think that it is possible, but it is just not possible at all, it never will be, you will never know this result at all. Maybe a percentage of who may win could be given, but even a team with 1% chance to win could end up winning, it's not zero, it's 1% and that means there is a chance for it.
We can believe that AI can give us good predictions, but they never hold guarantees that they can be the final outcome. It’s still a trial and error method, so never make it a point that all your bets will be based on the answers given by AI machine. Those are merely predictions. It’s still best to use our human intelligence especially when risking our money in gambling. Although gambling should be more fun, but having more fun means gaining profits too aside from being entertained.

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February 20, 2023, 07:46:11 PM
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The technology used on that AI program is something into a highest level.

That's the reason it can give predictions and speculations close to being accurate because it has lots of sources used to form an analyis.

In gambling related, if it's used as reference, nothing wrong on doing that as long as not totally relying all our bets with it.
Yeah, there is a strong AI wind right now that is getting bigger and bigger, people are acting as if this is such a normal thing because AI is looking better than ever, but the reality is that we just cracked a few ceilings and have a bit better AI and it's nowhere near the level where it can predict outcomes of games.

You can believe in that as much as you want, you can think that it is possible, but it is just not possible at all, it never will be, you will never know this result at all. Maybe a percentage of who may win could be given, but even a team with 1% chance to win could end up winning, it's not zero, it's 1% and that means there is a chance for it.
We can believe that AI can give us good predictions, but they never hold guarantees that they can be the final outcome. It’s still a trial and error method, so never make it a point that all your bets will be based on the answers given by AI machine. Those are merely predictions. It’s still best to use our human intelligence especially when risking our money in gambling. Although gambling should be more fun, but having more fun means gaining profits too aside from being entertained.
There were no statistics or numbers which does prove out that using AI on predictions could give out some good result or winning rate but pretty much sure that there are people who are already making use of it
just to prove out by themselves that it could really be that effective.Just like on what most people been saying that its not something that could really be relied upon.We dont know if it is really that something
worth on trying into because we know that strategic type of approach in sports betting is more sensible and have sense if human being are the ones who do make up their decisions
on where they would gonna bet and not into some AI where information is really just been stored up.

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February 20, 2023, 08:04:33 PM
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We also evaluate the historical data when making predictions about the results of the matches. If we manage to give the right data to the AI technology, I think we can get the best predictions about the match results. Of course, we will not always get the best results from him, but I think we can get close to the best results. I see such developments as positive developments.
I believe that AI can help you to predict outcomes but we should remember that in online gambling it is also run by algorithm, i think the accuracy of the AI is not that high in terms of this, and casinos might changing their algorithm now or using another strategy so the result will not be same 100% to  this predictions of the AI. We can also say that with the use of AI we can see some patterns but these patterns cannot be our assurance.
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February 20, 2023, 08:40:31 PM
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^

As far as I know the AI is still having trouble generating the hands of people and soccer players, but I think that if the developers spend a little more time on this, and this issue will be resolved. And the faces of the generated people really are very harmonious and look real.

I'm afraid to even imagine what will happen when the AI will start looking for information on their own.

Yes, at the moment AI can't draw fingers. But the current problems do not matter if you see a trend and it is obvious to everyone. Today they do not know how, but tomorrow they will do better than any person, such is the reality.
As for the collection and evaluation of data, on the contrary, I really look forward to it. It will be very interesting to get a new point of view on what people have a certain consensus on (useful action in football for example), I think there will be many surprises.

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I believe that AI can help you to predict outcomes but we should remember that in online gambling it is also run by algorithm, i think the accuracy of the AI is not that high in terms of this, and casinos might changing their algorithm now or using another strategy so the result will not be same 100% to  this predictions of the AI. We can also say that with the use of AI we can see some patterns but these patterns cannot be our assurance.

To be honest, I've never tried using Al, so I can't speculate much about how artificial intelligence technology can be used as a reference for predicting the outcome of a match. as we know, artificial intelligence technology can actually help us solve complex problems, including making our work easier.

However, I really doubt if AI can be applied to predict a sports match, let alone to be a reference for gamblers. because IMO, sports are more complex, cannot be predicted accurately, there are no exact calculations like an algorithm. in fact we can only guess, even after a series of analyses. maybe, if AI is used to find all the latest information related to sports. I'm sure it's very helpful.

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