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June 02, 2023, 03:25:50 PM
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the interesting thing is that the day we won't be able to identify if a text was written by and AI or not, or if an image was generated by AI or not, is not so far away
exponential techonologies are awesome (and can be dangerous sometimes)

the future will be really interesting to watch and participate.
Maybe later, we will need a scanner to determine whether it is from AI or humans, and I'm sure it will be in the future. I don't know. It's still beyond what I can imagine.

The future will be very interesting, especially if we participate and use it. It will be like a challenge for us. So let's see what the future looks like, and hopefully, we can all keep up with it.

as the days go by, there will certainly always be technological improvements, and one of them, AI will always be developed with adoption to get very accurate results, even if only 90%. however, in this adoption we should not rely on predictions or anything that has been displayed by AI because everything is still inaccurate and still has 10% error even though it has been developed to be more accurate.
so it would be better if AI was only used as a second option to consider or strengthen our predictions for betting.
Yes, it is. The latest technology will always be released, and the presence of AI will really be able to help humans in various activities and not just for gambling. And gambling using AI in collecting data may become more accurate along with the development of technology for AI. And I agree that it's better for us to rely on ourselves to make decisions and not to leave those decisions to AI. Even though we can get more and more accurate data and AI can provide a winning percentage from one game, we still have to analyze it to find out why we make that bet.
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June 02, 2023, 04:26:45 PM
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Well, the thing is that an AI will be able to calculate those odds with way more precision than any human could ever do.

The key is to be able to find a way to make that process profitable, because most of the time the casinos will have their odds in their favor.
Undoubtedly, AI is a super fast computer that can calculate all the opportunities that exist quickly compared if we search for ourselves. And if we can use it to our advantage, we will surely have a chance to win. But the casinos will still get the biggest advantage because there won't be many who will use AI and only certain gamblers.

Bare in mind that AI is really just making out that kind of response basing on whats been put up into their library.Yes, it might be that getting sophisticated on the time comes but this isnt something that would really be able to deal up with something that speculative which is something that AI cant really be able to predict out.They could give out some various information but those would be basing up with facts and something that had already happened. For knowing information then it would really be that relevant but asking about on things which are still happening in the future or something that talks about gambling then it isnt really something that you could really rely on. I dont know if there are people who are making use of AI on predicting games.
Nothing beats out if you are the ones who do make out searches and make out those analysis out of those things and would be something considerable than on relying with AI.
AI will become more sophisticated than now, so it will help us get more accurate information from the data we get. But we still can't leave the decision to AI because we must decide which one we choose based on all the data we have collected. Perhaps, for now, it's still strange if some people use AI in a way that AI hasn't progressed too well. We should wait until the time comes to see what will happen to the AI that can help us in our gambles.

the interesting thing is that the day we won't be able to identify if a text was written by and AI or not, or if an image was generated by AI or not, is not so far away
exponential techonologies are awesome (and can be dangerous sometimes)

the future will be really interesting to watch and participate.
Innovation and changes is really that something inevitable but its true that it does really impose such risks and con's if it was been used on the other way around but in overall it would really be that something beneficial.There are really just that people who are really that skeptical on things on what would be the possible risks that lies ahead about AI but for now its better not to mind it off and would be focusing
about into its benefits rather than into that imposed risks.Just like on what others been saying about using it up on predicting outcomes then it would really be just that common sense that AI isnt something
that would really be good at it or would be making 100% precise predictions basing up on a certain sport or fight or whatsoever. They might be that  good when it comes to information gathering
basing up into its library and would be basing into those information on which it could be able to formulate one if it wanted or been asked.

what do you think of the current talks about AI regulation by governments? do you think governments will be able to adapt fast enough?

and possible risks for humanity? too much alarm or real risk?

really curious about these questions
I don't really have answers, more like guesses

the way for me seems like we should join the machines, not fight them.

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June 02, 2023, 06:42:53 PM
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AI will become more sophisticated than now, so it will help us get more accurate information from the data we get. But we still can't leave the decision to AI because we must decide which one we choose based on all the data we have collected. Perhaps, for now, it's still strange if some people use AI in a way that AI hasn't progressed too well. We should wait until the time comes to see what will happen to the AI that can help us in our gambles.
as the days go by, there will certainly always be technological improvements, and one of them, AI will always be developed with adoption to get very accurate results, even if only 90%. however, in this adoption we should not rely on predictions or anything that has been displayed by AI because everything is still inaccurate and still has 10% error even though it has been developed to be more accurate.
so it would be better if AI was only used as a second option to consider or strengthen our predictions for betting.

And just the same, even it's 99% the remaining percentage can still bring you to lose your bet, remember it's gambling and there are many things that will influence the potential outcome, I see the point where it can be developed and it can find more information but the accuracy especially when dealing in gambling, it's something that only luck can accurately dictate your winning chance.

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June 04, 2023, 06:48:13 AM
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what do you think of the current talks about AI regulation by governments? do you think governments will be able to adapt fast enough?

and possible risks for humanity? too much alarm or real risk?

really curious about these questions
I don't really have answers, more like guesses

the way for me seems like we should join the machines, not fight them.

One of the main issues I see currently is the spread of fake news everywhere.

You cannot trust a photograph any more, and video is almost at the same level.

Basically you can generate any kind of photographic evidence, and a text to go along with it, all made up, and publish it anywhere. People believe any type of thing they read. That's the main issue currently.

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June 05, 2023, 02:10:29 AM
 #885

~snip~
what do you think of the current talks about AI regulation by governments? do you think governments will be able to adapt fast enough?

and possible risks for humanity? too much alarm or real risk?

really curious about these questions
I don't really have answers, more like guesses

the way for me seems like we should join the machines, not fight them.

One of the main issues I see currently is the spread of fake news everywhere.

You cannot trust a photograph any more, and video is almost at the same level.

Basically you can generate any kind of photographic evidence, and a text to go along with it, all made up, and publish it anywhere. People believe any type of thing they read. That's the main issue currently.
And in part social media has played a big part on this, now people do not stop to think if what they are reading is true or not, they simply react to it, which in turn generates a reaction on other people which either support or condemn their exaggerated reaction, which then generates a reaction on other people and so on.

So if social media was already useless as a means to inform yourself, AI took it a step further and made it completely useless.

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June 05, 2023, 04:01:33 PM
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~snip~
what do you think of the current talks about AI regulation by governments? do you think governments will be able to adapt fast enough?

and possible risks for humanity? too much alarm or real risk?

really curious about these questions
I don't really have answers, more like guesses

the way for me seems like we should join the machines, not fight them.

One of the main issues I see currently is the spread of fake news everywhere.

You cannot trust a photograph any more, and video is almost at the same level.

Basically you can generate any kind of photographic evidence, and a text to go along with it, all made up, and publish it anywhere. People believe any type of thing they read. That's the main issue currently.
And in part social media has played a big part on this, now people do not stop to think if what they are reading is true or not, they simply react to it, which in turn generates a reaction on other people which either support or condemn their exaggerated reaction, which then generates a reaction on other people and so on.

So if social media was already useless as a means to inform yourself, AI took it a step further and made it completely useless.
It feels like we're trapped in an actual episode of Black Mirror, doesn't it? The concoction of AI and social platforms has changed the game, morphing our information ecosystem into a no-holds-barred free-for-all. When you throw in deepfake tech and misinformation plots into the mix, we're spiraling into a reality of illusions – and that, my friend, is a real dumpster fire.

Still, let's not be too quick on the trigger to scrap social media and AI off the map. They're just tools in our arsenal, and like any weapon, it's the handler that determines their use, good or evil. We've got to know how to swing them right. Take a peep at AI being the good guy, sniffing out fake news. Stuff like fact-checking bots and algorithms are here to debunk bogus news, and blockchain's got our backs in confirming the realness of digital content.

Regarding social platforms, loads of them are buckling up to take the fake news menace head-on. Sure, it's like climbing a wall, but it ain't an impossible feat. It all boils down to enhancing digital wisdom and critical thinking in netizens, changing from being easy-target consumers to keen-eyed participants.

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June 05, 2023, 11:09:51 PM
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It feels like we're trapped in an actual episode of Black Mirror, doesn't it? The concoction of AI and social platforms has changed the game, morphing our information ecosystem into a no-holds-barred free-for-all. When you throw in deepfake tech and misinformation plots into the mix, we're spiraling into a reality of illusions – and that, my friend, is a real dumpster fire.

Still, let's not be too quick on the trigger to scrap social media and AI off the map. They're just tools in our arsenal, and like any weapon, it's the handler that determines their use, good or evil. We've got to know how to swing them right. Take a peep at AI being the good guy, sniffing out fake news. Stuff like fact-checking bots and algorithms are here to debunk bogus news, and blockchain's got our backs in confirming the realness of digital content.

Regarding social platforms, loads of them are buckling up to take the fake news menace head-on. Sure, it's like climbing a wall, but it ain't an impossible feat. It all boils down to enhancing digital wisdom and critical thinking in netizens, changing from being easy-target consumers to keen-eyed participants.

Black Mirror is an amazing show because it shows an actual possible reality that might happen in a few years. I think we're already seeing things in real life that were shown in the first few episodes. Can't wait to watch the new season, which is coming soon.

But yeah, social platforms these days are full of bots, automated messages, ads, and all of them are pushing the agenda of whoever is paying more to the creator of the social platform.

The internet is so centralized these days, it's almost like TV. At least with the internet you have the option to go somewhere independent, but those places usually have issues staying alive because they don't monetize.

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~ And in part social media has played a big part on this, now people do not stop to think if what they are reading is true or not, they simply react to it, which in turn generates a reaction on other people which either support or condemn their exaggerated reaction, which then generates a reaction on other people and so on.

So if social media was already useless as a means to inform yourself, AI took it a step further and made it completely useless.

But still, can we use AI to predict outcomes? And to what degree can we trust it? It's not like everything it says is bs, right? It's capable of a lot things, very helpful things, I mean. Currently I have a feeling that it all depends on the prompt and your analyzing the response from AI. People who are not good at it say AI is useless, but maybe we should just learn how to utilize the thing?

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what do you think of the current talks about AI regulation by governments? do you think governments will be able to adapt fast enough?

and possible risks for humanity? too much alarm or real risk?

really curious about these questions
I don't really have answers, more like guesses

the way for me seems like we should join the machines, not fight them.

One of the main issues I see currently is the spread of fake news everywhere.

You cannot trust a photograph any more, and video is almost at the same level.

Basically you can generate any kind of photographic evidence, and a text to go along with it, all made up, and publish it anywhere. People believe any type of thing they read. That's the main issue currently.

definitely that's a big issue
that's why I don't thing democracies will survive much longer, probably in next 2 or 3 elections in most countries the politicians elected will be the ones that know how to use AI in their favor
for better or for worse
what do you think?

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~ And in part social media has played a big part on this, now people do not stop to think if what they are reading is true or not, they simply react to it, which in turn generates a reaction on other people which either support or condemn their exaggerated reaction, which then generates a reaction on other people and so on.

So if social media was already useless as a means to inform yourself, AI took it a step further and made it completely useless.

But still, can we use AI to predict outcomes? And to what degree can we trust it? It's not like everything it says is bs, right? It's capable of a lot things, very helpful things, I mean. Currently I have a feeling that it all depends on the prompt and your analyzing the response from AI. People who are not good at it say AI is useless, but maybe we should just learn how to utilize the thing?

I don't think that the A.I could be useful in predicting outcomes of the things that's going to occur in future. The worst thing with A.I is that it changes its predictions every time and that's why someone who purely relies of such predictions could end up losing a lot of money. Even if someone who's the master of those A.I based predictors couldn't get a proper prediction with very good prompts. Even A.I won't be able to predict the future price of a crypto-currency like Bitcoin because it's totally dumb when it comes to predictions.

I agree that A.I can be very useful for somethings, but most of the time A.I would cause more damage than good to humans and that's why many entrepreneurs are trying their best to stop further research on A.I because they can see that it could be very harmful for humans. I have used A.I software such as Stable-diffusion and I must say it was incredible in generating some images that were of low quality. However, it was still useful for the purpose.

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As AI gets smarter, I believe that one day it will be able to help users predict the final outcome of a match based on various data they have collected and advanced calculations. But still, I personally will not use this prediction at random, I will match this result based on my personal analysis and if it is correct then I will use the prediction results from this AI.

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June 08, 2023, 02:43:25 AM
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As AI gets smarter, I believe that one day it will be able to help users predict the final outcome of a match based on various data they have collected and advanced calculations. But still, I personally will not use this prediction at random, I will match this result based on my personal analysis and if it is correct then I will use the prediction results from this AI.

Yeah, but the thing is that even if the predictions are as good as it can get, the payout for the odds will also be calculated with the same AI, so the casino will offer a deal that has a slight advantage to the house.

It's like exchanging currency, the exchange will always make money from the transaction, no matter how good deal you find.

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Using artificial intelligence for predictions is a big mistake in my opinion. I give an example for football. There are thousands of possibilities for a position in the match. All the data obtained according to the logic of artificial intelligence are analyzed and an estimate emerges, but even this is insufficient. Because there is the luck factor. The luck factor makes predictability impossible. So I'm talking about 100% accurate predictability. Otherwise, it is quite normal for him to make inferences and say logical results based on the data at hand.

But we can make artificial intelligence guess for fun. It's also fun to follow. Sometimes I show off to my friends when the correct results come out. Because I was able to make this prediction thanks to artificial intelligence. Still, these predictions should not go beyond entertainment.
I think that using an AI at the moment for the prediction is indeed a big mistake, because it is not among the most viable ways to have a reliable answer, but in a few years things can change,or in a few months, it is known that many programmers are working day and night to get an AI that is the main ticket to be able to win lotteries, casinos, whatever, I don't know if they are more advanced than openia, but surely they are close,especially those criminals who like to leave to offline sites for stealing your funds.


That's something doable in my opinion as well, we can't measure the potential as there are smart people who really working behind and trying to make a good use of AI system, we can only imagine how wide the capabilities if in case that it really developed the way it's intentionally been done, though I also believe that in gambling industry, there are always good ways for the casino to improve and adjust and for sure they will not let AI bankrupt them.

A big possibility is that they will also create or program their business by the use of AI system to counter the advantages or possible edge from their end users.
I have been Seeing many Threads about AI and its Scope , obviously the AI at some point will have a bigger boom and those AI that are more specific will have Guaranteed Success , but how will the casinos then at that time when an AI starts to beat them ? so how will high-yield, high-profit game providers sell to casinos ? I think that each casino has to stop Buying so many games from the providers and opt for Original games so that they can attract more attention , Especially when it comes to Analysis that is done in favor of a system called Provably Fair , if an AI manages to beat that system is where everything can fall into Possible Chaos.

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June 08, 2023, 10:05:15 AM
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As AI gets smarter, I believe that one day it will be able to help users predict the final outcome of a match based on various data they have collected and advanced calculations. But still, I personally will not use this prediction at random, I will match this result based on my personal analysis and if it is correct then I will use the prediction results from this AI.

Gamblers can always get tips and suggestions that may be very helpful in gambling but not to rely on the use of AI to generate their gambling experience and make it a lifestyle, just as you've also advised that it not good enough to rely completely on the use of AI in gambling, we have to make use ot it the appropriate way because these same thing is what everyone will want to do by being totally dependent on the outcome of the use of AI while they are gambling which may not be possible because the casinos will be affected as everyone wins, but one can alwa adjust and readjusted the AI results received.

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June 08, 2023, 11:34:36 AM
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As AI gets smarter, I believe that one day it will be able to help users predict the final outcome of a match based on various data they have collected and advanced calculations. But still, I personally will not use this prediction at random, I will match this result based on my personal analysis and if it is correct then I will use the prediction results from this AI.
We will see as soon as there are many developments from each developer in the gambling field. AI can indeed collect data faster than us and provide a percentage of each team so we can know which one we choose. But as you said, we need to compare the results from the AI with our results so that there will be more clues that will help us choose. And all decisions are yours once you know which team has the bigger winning percentage so you don't choose the wrong one.

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June 08, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
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And just the same, even it's 99% the remaining percentage can still bring you to lose your bet, remember it's gambling and there are many things that will influence the potential outcome, I see the point where it can be developed and it can find more information but the accuracy especially when dealing in gambling, it's something that only luck can accurately dictate your winning chance.
in the end, from 99% there is still 1% luck left. as we saw when Barcelona played against Celta but Barcelona ended up losing, right?
well, this is an obvious case and maybe if using AI to predict the match AI will favor Barcelona because it is clear that the top team already has the perfect strength to beat Celta but luck of surprise and luck is always present in every sporting match.
so everything still depends on luck just like you said.

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June 08, 2023, 08:51:23 PM
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Using artificial intelligence for predictions is a big mistake in my opinion. I give an example for football. There are thousands of possibilities for a position in the match. All the data obtained according to the logic of artificial intelligence are analyzed and an estimate emerges, but even this is insufficient. Because there is the luck factor. The luck factor makes predictability impossible. So I'm talking about 100% accurate predictability. Otherwise, it is quite normal for him to make inferences and say logical results based on the data at hand.

But we can make artificial intelligence guess for fun. It's also fun to follow. Sometimes I show off to my friends when the correct results come out. Because I was able to make this prediction thanks to artificial intelligence. Still, these predictions should not go beyond entertainment.
I think that using an AI at the moment for the prediction is indeed a big mistake, because it is not among the most viable ways to have a reliable answer, but in a few years things can change,or in a few months, it is known that many programmers are working day and night to get an AI that is the main ticket to be able to win lotteries, casinos, whatever, I don't know if they are more advanced than openia, but surely they are close,especially those criminals who like to leave to offline sites for stealing your funds.


That's something doable in my opinion as well, we can't measure the potential as there are smart people who really working behind and trying to make a good use of AI system, we can only imagine how wide the capabilities if in case that it really developed the way it's intentionally been done, though I also believe that in gambling industry, there are always good ways for the casino to improve and adjust and for sure they will not let AI bankrupt them.

A big possibility is that they will also create or program their business by the use of AI system to counter the advantages or possible edge from their end users.
I have been Seeing many Threads about AI and its Scope , obviously the AI at some point will have a bigger boom and those AI that are more specific will have Guaranteed Success , but how will the casinos then at that time when an AI starts to beat them ? so how will high-yield, high-profit game providers sell to casinos ? I think that each casino has to stop Buying so many games from the providers and opt for Original games so that they can attract more attention , Especially when it comes to Analysis that is done in favor of a system called Provably Fair , if an AI manages to beat that system is where everything can fall into Possible Chaos.


Indeed, and for sure gambling business owners and providers will not allow that to happen, they will use this same system to program and update their business to make sure that in anyhow they can still on the upper hand here, I think with AI gamblers can learn the usages of advance research but the guaranteed outcome, that's not possible in any gambling related business, there are still other factors than the stats and anything that AI can provide or can collect to whatever resources it may have.

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June 08, 2023, 11:49:31 PM
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Using artificial intelligence for predictions is a big mistake in my opinion. I give an example for football. There are thousands of possibilities for a position in the match. All the data obtained according to the logic of artificial intelligence are analyzed and an estimate emerges, but even this is insufficient. Because there is the luck factor. The luck factor makes predictability impossible. So I'm talking about 100% accurate predictability. Otherwise, it is quite normal for him to make inferences and say logical results based on the data at hand.

But we can make artificial intelligence guess for fun. It's also fun to follow. Sometimes I show off to my friends when the correct results come out. Because I was able to make this prediction thanks to artificial intelligence. Still, these predictions should not go beyond entertainment.
I think that using an AI at the moment for the prediction is indeed a big mistake, because it is not among the most viable ways to have a reliable answer, but in a few years things can change,or in a few months, it is known that many programmers are working day and night to get an AI that is the main ticket to be able to win lotteries, casinos, whatever, I don't know if they are more advanced than openia, but surely they are close,especially those criminals who like to leave to offline sites for stealing your funds.


That's something doable in my opinion as well, we can't measure the potential as there are smart people who really working behind and trying to make a good use of AI system, we can only imagine how wide the capabilities if in case that it really developed the way it's intentionally been done, though I also believe that in gambling industry, there are always good ways for the casino to improve and adjust and for sure they will not let AI bankrupt them.

A big possibility is that they will also create or program their business by the use of AI system to counter the advantages or possible edge from their end users.
I have been Seeing many Threads about AI and its Scope , obviously the AI at some point will have a bigger boom and those AI that are more specific will have Guaranteed Success , but how will the casinos then at that time when an AI starts to beat them ? so how will high-yield, high-profit game providers sell to casinos ? I think that each casino has to stop Buying so many games from the providers and opt for Original games so that they can attract more attention , Especially when it comes to Analysis that is done in favor of a system called Provably Fair , if an AI manages to beat that system is where everything can fall into Possible Chaos.


Indeed, and for sure gambling business owners and providers will not allow that to happen, they will use this same system to program and update their business to make sure that in anyhow they can still on the upper hand here, I think with AI gamblers can learn the usages of advance research but the guaranteed outcome, that's not possible in any gambling related business, there are still other factors than the stats and anything that AI can provide or can collect to whatever resources it may have.
If ever it would work then for sure these business would really be making that ANTI-AI kind of thing on which it would really be just that common sense that if it does work then gambling business or industry would be
no more on which AI could really be able to predict outcomes but in overall essence and realistic approach on which it would really be just that normal that it wont really be that effective. There's no way on predicting on what would be the game outcome of such sport or simply talks about sports betting. There are lots of factors which it would really affect out such result on which it would really be that normal that
results would really be totally random. AI might be able to give out those research or keywords on what you do asked on basing up on the past results which its a common response
but asking about future? Cant be that possible.

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June 10, 2023, 12:11:07 PM
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And just the same, even it's 99% the remaining percentage can still bring you to lose your bet, remember it's gambling and there are many things that will influence the potential outcome, I see the point where it can be developed and it can find more information but the accuracy especially when dealing in gambling, it's something that only luck can accurately dictate your winning chance.
in the end, from 99% there is still 1% luck left. as we saw when Barcelona played against Celta but Barcelona ended up losing, right?
well, this is an obvious case and maybe if using AI to predict the match AI will favor Barcelona because it is clear that the top team already has the perfect strength to beat Celta but luck of surprise and luck is always present in every sporting match.
so everything still depends on luck just like you said.

the best odds are usually against all probabilities too, even in the future with the development of more sophisticated AIs we'll probably won't have AIs predicting black swan events
I can be wrong, of course, it's just what I feel about it right now

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June 11, 2023, 02:56:11 AM
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And just the same, even it's 99% the remaining percentage can still bring you to lose your bet, remember it's gambling and there are many things that will influence the potential outcome, I see the point where it can be developed and it can find more information but the accuracy especially when dealing in gambling, it's something that only luck can accurately dictate your winning chance.
in the end, from 99% there is still 1% luck left. as we saw when Barcelona played against Celta but Barcelona ended up losing, right?
well, this is an obvious case and maybe if using AI to predict the match AI will favor Barcelona because it is clear that the top team already has the perfect strength to beat Celta but luck of surprise and luck is always present in every sporting match.
so everything still depends on luck just like you said.
While those results happen from time to time it is not common and even casinos can suffer huge losses if someone was crazy enough to take a huge bet on favor of the underdog at the time.

So it is natural that even an AI will struggle to identify and accurately predict those results, still if given enough information about a particular sport and guiding the model in a very careful way I think it should be possible to produce an AI which could predict outcomes with enough accuracy to produce profits.

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