[POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes

[LUCKMCFLY]

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Of course, obviously things with AI are like this, the data collected will never be the good option to decipher what can happen, also there are many things that influence sports games, who are the ones that motivate players to play like this, what It caught my attention, it was in the World Cup in Qatar where an AI predicted that the final would be between Portugal and Argentina, it was something really chilling because the one who won the mjudnial was Argentina, although the AI was wrong for the contender from Argentina, but It seems to me that it was just a coincidence, I know that the AI quickly pulls the statistics and that is a very good functionality.

There were also some other predictions that said that France and Brazil would be in the final.

At the end of the day, given enough predictions, one of them will be right. So always keep that in mind. People tend to ignore the failed predictions and focus on the ones that actually happened.

Agree to that, once it happen it happened and those who are believers will continue to follow those predictions as they will choose to pick winning side to remember and left the winning side to forge, I mean if AI developers will manage to bring something to the table and it happens that the predictions came true then expect that people will keep on eye with that services, while if that AI failed then those who thinks that it was true will forget about it and move on to another project,.

Well, with all this AI stuff, it's a fever, or I would say more like it's a fashionable way where everyone wants to be a part of it, either benefiting or taking many things into consideration in order to take advantage of it, obviously people think about the casinos to beat them, or in lotteries, or even to make sports bets, I'm sure that in the future AI will develop more, and I don't know how good it will be to predict events like sports, or do a better job in a casino, maybe yes, but for now it's far from that, they need a lot of development and that seems to me to be normal, it's just a beta release, of course now chatgpt 4 has many more capabilities.

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[nullama]

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Well, with all this AI stuff, it's a fever, or I would say more like it's a fashionable way where everyone wants to be a part of it, either benefiting or taking many things into consideration in order to take advantage of it, obviously people think about the casinos to beat them, or in lotteries, or even to make sports bets, I'm sure that in the future AI will develop more, and I don't know how good it will be to predict events like sports, or do a better job in a casino, maybe yes, but for now it's far from that, they need a lot of development and that seems to me to be normal, it's just a beta release, of course now chatgpt 4 has many more capabilities.

It's a bit like when the Internet started, just that now everyone gets the information in real time so it's all happening faster.

AI will be a defining moment in the history of technology, just as big as the Internet, the web 2.0, and smartphones.

Be ready to experience another bubble and start to live in a society that will be changed forever.

For example, can you imagine a society where you have to ask for directions?, or simply making a purchase without reading reviews online? Things will change when AI goes mainstream, and Microsoft is already starting that process by including chatGPT in their products.

[YuginKadoya]

I'd say AI can and should be able to form statistically based opinion on multiple event outcomes.  However like I've said for AI over decades, its behind the curve still. Musk saying be careful its too advanced it might be dangerous is funny, what is potentially dangerous is over reliance on various computer systems.   Like the Passenger Jet crash that failed because the Autopilot lost access to the available air speed, it froze over so autopilot and the pilots themselves had no way to diagnostically correct themselves and adjust course.   Every pilot and driver is required to stay awake and able to fly or drive, yet people want to resign this position basically its laziness we are still the weakest point.
    Those scenarios are dangerous, computers are still just computers but of course I hope AI is increasingly helpful enabling utility to those access to those skill sets manually.   Predicting game outcomes is statistics which is maths which is totally within the realm of a computer to extrapolate and spit out a verdict.

Well, what you are saying is a different kind of situation where AI predicts the outcome of a passenger aircraft, surely if the error is on autopilot it self but it can be prevented when one of the passengers is awake or an AI could wake them if an error occurs, well this kind of situation is not gambling prediction but it is a good application for AI to be put to the test and that is for a person's everyday's life, well there are certain things AI can do for us, and what it can not do without human interactions,

If you do know on how to make use of it and treat it as a tool on gathering up information then it would really be useful into gamblers on which they could accumulate all the information in one go rather than on making up some scattered search which is something that i would say to be that convenient in our part which i do see the relevance of it existence on this part and would really be applied on this way
but making yourself that relying on AI when choosing up your selection or bets then it is something that not that reliable or something you could really be that able to rely or
wise to do so.There's no way an AI could predict on what happen on things which outcomes or results are totally that random or unpredictable due to some factors.

AI could surely be used in certain aspects in life it could mostly help in a more positive way or even in a harmful way, it will surely depend on the human interaction if what kind of things they could possibly use the AI in their hands, for me we can not rely on AI alone you will have to deduct and check what does the AI have done in order to check its liability if it can help or if it can not help a certain person, the outcome is surely more important,

[len01]

Well, with all this AI stuff, it's a fever, or I would say more like it's a fashionable way where everyone wants to be a part of it, either benefiting or taking many things into consideration in order to take advantage of it, obviously people think about the casinos to beat them, or in lotteries, or even to make sports bets, I'm sure that in the future AI will develop more, and I don't know how good it will be to predict events like sports, or do a better job in a casino, maybe yes, but for now it's far from that, they need a lot of development and that seems to me to be normal, it's just a beta release, of course now chatgpt 4 has many more capabilities.

more the years, the faster the development of technology and there is no doubt that in the future AI or ChatGPT will always be developed to be able to help humans with all questions.
Currently ChatGPT has been developed to the ChatGPT4 model which is more accurate in answering every question we ask.
but even if AI is developed to be as accurate as possible it can never make correct predictions for sports betting. that's all because the development of the gambling system will certainly find ways to counteract all of this.

[OgNasty]

Elon Musk has come out and said that he doesn't like the way that AI is being trained to lie by the companies that are currently controlling it.  As a result, he has stated that he will begin building an AI that won't be taught to lie or be politically correct to push an alternative agenda on mankind.  This gives me hope that you will be able to use his AI product without trying to trick it into breaking it's own rules in order to get the desired outcome.  I have high hopes after seeing how he's exposed the government via his Twitter acquisition.  At this point he's looking like humanity's biggest freedom fighter.

[Lucasgabd]

You can use that argument as a good advantage, though not an assurance, but it is relevant to how you anticipate how the direction will proceed. It's better to have the right knowledge as you can predict and trust your position. I'm pretty sure most of the experienced gamblers are using this information while trying to sort which game or which sports they can apply to this slight advantage.

Betting strategy is more about how you taking into the account if how you will execute your plan and strategy that will give you the edge against the house.

now, with AI that is always being developed, it can help gamblers to strengthen their predictions. I mean when a gambler is doing research and wants to predict a match in sports betting, the gambler can use AI to get the information the gambler needs to be able to predict with greater accuracy.
although in this case there is no guarantee of victory but at least AI can help gamblers who want to make predictions.

AI development can strengthen the decision making of someone who already done with his research and analysis, it can give a good glimpse of possible outcome but it's still need to remember that accuracy wise there's nothing that we can conclude that it can be precise, gambling is a play of a high-risk venue to try making money.

If you are already done with doing your part and you see that AI is giving you a same advantages, possible that you will proceed and take that call and place your bet.

Just as they mean by trusting the AI after confirming that you have the same prediction of the outcome. It's what it's used for when there really is a  finished AI product for this special purpose. If the AI somehow predicted right at least on its first try, there will be a lot of users intrusting thier money when the users who won brag about it online.

Just a few days ago, there is a thread about AI predicting BTC bull run. Although not really a definitive statement was given by the AI, still it stimulates the brain to believe AI predicted the rise.

most important point here is that AI can be useful for gamblers if gamblers feel doubtful or lack confidence in their own predictions, but it should be noted that something said by AI is not necessarily true and we still need to correct the results displayed by AI.
to be honest, I've never tried predicting using AI assistance, but I think it will come in handy when I really need it for sports betting.

on the other hand, AI can also provide more knowledge experience when we don't know the latest news about sports and that is very helpful.

While AI can provide a good glimpse of possible outcomes, accuracy-wise, there's nothing conclusive that we can rely on. We should trust our own research and analysis first and then use AI to strengthen our decision-making process. If we end up seeing that AI is giving us the same advantages as our own predictions, then we can proceed and take that call and place our bet.

it's worth noting that just because AI predicted something correctly on its first try doesn't mean it will always be right

[maydna]

Elon Musk has come out and said that he doesn't like the way that AI is being trained to lie by the companies that are currently controlling it.  As a result, he has stated that he will begin building an AI that won't be taught to lie or be politically correct to push an alternative agenda on mankind.  This gives me hope that you will be able to use his AI product without trying to trick it into breaking it's own rules in order to get the desired outcome.  I have high hopes after seeing how he's exposed the government via his Twitter acquisition.  At this point he's looking like humanity's biggest freedom fighter.

This is even more interesting because, with its resources, Elon can become a strong rival for AI companies. And if he can build an AI product that won't violate its rules, it will be a new history where humans can get honest results from the vast amount of info that AI collects and feeds to us. And the results will provide a higher percentage of accuracy based on the data obtained by the AI. Let's see what AI products from Elon Musk are like and how other AI companies respond to this.

[Lucasgabd]

Elon Musk has come out and said that he doesn't like the way that AI is being trained to lie by the companies that are currently controlling it.  As a result, he has stated that he will begin building an AI that won't be taught to lie or be politically correct to push an alternative agenda on mankind.  This gives me hope that you will be able to use his AI product without trying to trick it into breaking it's own rules in order to get the desired outcome.  I have high hopes after seeing how he's exposed the government via his Twitter acquisition.  At this point he's looking like humanity's biggest freedom fighter.

This is even more interesting because, with its resources, Elon can become a strong rival for AI companies. And if he can build an AI product that won't violate its rules, it will be a new history where humans can get honest results from the vast amount of info that AI collects and feeds to us. And the results will provide a higher percentage of accuracy based on the data obtained by the AI. Let's see what AI products from Elon Musk are like and how other AI companies respond to this.

Interesting debate!

Definitely Elon's announcement about building an AI that won't be taught to lie or be politically correct is a game-changer in the field of artificial intelligence.

If he achieves his goal it could revolutionize the industry. It'll be interesting to see how other AI companies respond to this and how it will affect the development of different AIs in the future.

[Fredomago]

Well, with all this AI stuff, it's a fever, or I would say more like it's a fashionable way where everyone wants to be a part of it, either benefiting or taking many things into consideration in order to take advantage of it, obviously people think about the casinos to beat them, or in lotteries, or even to make sports bets, I'm sure that in the future AI will develop more, and I don't know how good it will be to predict events like sports, or do a better job in a casino, maybe yes, but for now it's far from that, they need a lot of development and that seems to me to be normal, it's just a beta release, of course now chatgpt 4 has many more capabilities.

more the years, the faster the development of technology and there is no doubt that in the future AI or ChatGPT will always be developed to be able to help humans with all questions.
Currently ChatGPT has been developed to the ChatGPT4 model which is more accurate in answering every question we ask.
but even if AI is developed to be as accurate as possible it can never make correct predictions for sports betting. that's all because the development of the gambling system will certainly find ways to counteract all of this.

Logically yes, business owner/casino owner will not just let go of their business, imagine those AI that will be created to help gambler to predict more accurately, meaning to say that it can suck lots of money away from the house, which is not the thing that the owner will allow they will find ways to counter or to also developed their own versions of AI to help them to provide odds that will can't be easily predicted by that counter AI system,.

[klidex]

So yeah AI wouldn't likely predict the future for sure, but predicting the outcome of a certain fight yeah the AI can not really do such a thing so he just included and lengthen the conversation by saying some stuff on the factors that may affect the fight, so in my opinion, ChatGPT or the AI can not predict certain what may happen on gambling but it can provide some explanation about it, and what may be the outcome,

Actually, even though at this time AI may not be able to provide definite accuracy, currently there have been many attempts to improve AI, such as Chatgpt4 which is better than Chatgpt.
Indeed, AI will not fully be able to provide incorrect information, but at least it can help humans to find any information or news related to sports matches and others.
In the future there is still a lot of hope if AI can be developed to be even better

[Fatunad]

So yeah AI wouldn't likely predict the future for sure, but predicting the outcome of a certain fight yeah the AI can not really do such a thing so he just included and lengthen the conversation by saying some stuff on the factors that may affect the fight, so in my opinion, ChatGPT or the AI can not predict certain what may happen on gambling but it can provide some explanation about it, and what may be the outcome,

Actually, even though at this time AI may not be able to provide definite accuracy, currently there have been many attempts to improve AI, such as Chatgpt4 which is better than Chatgpt.
Indeed, AI will not fully be able to provide incorrect information, but at least it can help humans to find any information or news related to sports matches and others.
In the future there is still a lot of hope if AI can be developed to be even better

AI development is really that continue to develop which it would be no surprise that there would be lapses and errors because there's no such thing about being perfect but Chatgpt team behind is really continuing to
improve it out and trying to cover those lapses and errors when it comes to responses. Whether we do accept or not, we cant really just that ignore that it is really indeed helpful on some aspect
but its not something that you could really be able to rely on on particular things specially if it do attaches with betting or predicting future outcomes which is something that
dont fit out.

[LUCKMCFLY]

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I think you are overestimating the fact that AI can somehow manage to figure out the random. Random is random and that can't be figured out, there is no way, and if you are a casino then you can use AI for your benefit, but if you are a gambler there is no way that you can use it for your benefit at all, it would not be working properly at all.

I hope that people would be doing something that could benefit them in the long run with AI, like even medical stuff which could be pretty good, but obviously there is a big question mark of should it even be responsible for it. But the help would always be welcomed but when it comes to gambling? I do not think so.

Well, it all depends on what you are measuring, and the data available.

For example, if you throw a dice there's one out of six chances that a number 6 appears. That's because you don't know anything about the dice, but in reality the more you know, the closer and better probabilities you can calculate. Maybe that particular dice is loaded, and maybe you know how it's being thrown, the environment, etc, the more you know, the better prediction you can get, and maybe you know that in that particular case the chances of getting a 6 are more like 50% instead of 1 out of 6.

So, random is completely random when you don't know any better, but if you do know more information you can definitely reduce the noise and get a better estimate.

Exactly, it is clearly chance that is shown there, for anyone who says that they know how to play dice well and that they never lose, it is something counterproductive because the 6 possibilities are always available and can be done, but what can be given is that it is Played in the long term so that that possibility or that number that is sought is there closest to coming out, even with a coin that has two possibilities, it is difficult to predict exactly which of the two heads will fall, that's the azar and the probabilities It is very difficult to predict.

[len01]

most important point here is that AI can be useful for gamblers if gamblers feel doubtful or lack confidence in their own predictions, but it should be noted that something said by AI is not necessarily true and we still need to correct the results displayed by AI.
to be honest, I've never tried predicting using AI assistance, but I think it will come in handy when I really need it for sports betting.

on the other hand, AI can also provide more knowledge experience when we don't know the latest news about sports and that is very helpful.

While AI can provide a good glimpse of possible outcomes, accuracy-wise, there's nothing conclusive that we can rely on. We should trust our own research and analysis first and then use AI to strengthen our decision-making process. If we end up seeing that AI is giving us the same advantages as our own predictions, then we can proceed and take that call and place our bet.

it's worth noting that just because AI predicted something correctly on its first try doesn't mean it will always be right

you are right, even though we can rely on AI for the same benefits, that doesn't mean that the results we get are always correct, even more accurate in our own predictions. our analysis is indeed the main role in our predictions and AI is only the second prediction after we make predictions and even though the results displayed are different from our predictions, usually it will make us confused and confused to believe in our own predictions or believe in predictions displayed by AI.
from this problem we should prioritize our own predictions with all the analyzes we have made and ignore AI predictions. but sometimes someone who cannot commit himself to himself prefers to believe in the results made by AI. this would be very bad with indecisive results.

[SirLancelot]

Elon Musk has come out and said that he doesn't like the way that AI is being trained to lie by the companies that are currently controlling it.  As a result, he has stated that he will begin building an AI that won't be taught to lie or be politically correct to push an alternative agenda on mankind.  This gives me hope that you will be able to use his AI product without trying to trick it into breaking it's own rules in order to get the desired outcome.  I have high hopes after seeing how he's exposed the government via his Twitter acquisition.  At this point he's looking like humanity's biggest freedom fighter.

Well, I kind of like him too, despite being a troll a lot of times, he does a lot of reasonable things and we have seen it in the past and hopefully we will get to see that in the future as well. His recent biggest trolling story is the recent changing of Twitter's official website icon to doge which made the token surge in price and make investors and holders happy.

We know that when he aims to create something, he does everything to make that happen, and if he is actually serious about creating an AI model of that nature, it will probably be the best out there.

[Oilacris]

Elon Musk has come out and said that he doesn't like the way that AI is being trained to lie by the companies that are currently controlling it.  As a result, he has stated that he will begin building an AI that won't be taught to lie or be politically correct to push an alternative agenda on mankind.  This gives me hope that you will be able to use his AI product without trying to trick it into breaking it's own rules in order to get the desired outcome.  I have high hopes after seeing how he's exposed the government via his Twitter acquisition.  At this point he's looking like humanity's biggest freedom fighter.

Well, I kind of like him too, despite being a troll a lot of times, he does a lot of reasonable things and we have seen it in the past and hopefully we will get to see that in the future as well. His recent biggest trolling story is the recent changing of Twitter's official website icon to doge which made the token surge in price and make investors and holders happy.

We know that when he aims to create something, he does everything to make that happen, and if he is actually serious about creating an AI model of that nature, it will probably be the best out there.

We know that there's always someone who would contradict and create something new or opposing on whats the current trend.Its not shocking in the personality of Elon.If you are a billionaire and who

do really mind on creating something which would really be benefiting out the humanity then it is something that commendable feat unlike into those who doesnt really care at all. If we do speak about this current AI development which is more getting better but we've seen that they are trying out to compete or go against it. We dont know on how it would looks like but
this is something interesting to look upon.

[Fredomago]

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I think you are overestimating the fact that AI can somehow manage to figure out the random. Random is random and that can't be figured out, there is no way, and if you are a casino then you can use AI for your benefit, but if you are a gambler there is no way that you can use it for your benefit at all, it would not be working properly at all.

I hope that people would be doing something that could benefit them in the long run with AI, like even medical stuff which could be pretty good, but obviously there is a big question mark of should it even be responsible for it. But the help would always be welcomed but when it comes to gambling? I do not think so.

Well, it all depends on what you are measuring, and the data available.

For example, if you throw a dice there's one out of six chances that a number 6 appears. That's because you don't know anything about the dice, but in reality the more you know, the closer and better probabilities you can calculate. Maybe that particular dice is loaded, and maybe you know how it's being thrown, the environment, etc, the more you know, the better prediction you can get, and maybe you know that in that particular case the chances of getting a 6 are more like 50% instead of 1 out of 6.

So, random is completely random when you don't know any better, but if you do know more information you can definitely reduce the noise and get a better estimate.

Exactly, it is clearly chance that is shown there, for anyone who says that they know how to play dice well and that they never lose, it is something counterproductive because the 6 possibilities are always available and can be done, but what can be given is that it is Played in the long term so that that possibility or that number that is sought is there closest to coming out, even with a coin that has two possibilities, it is difficult to predict exactly which of the two heads will fall, that's the azar and the probabilities It is very difficult to predict.

And we will go back to the main factor, we are in gambling and even how great you are in doing your assessment and even we will going to accept the reality that AI may predict the possible outcome, there's still potential possibility for the house to configure their system and adjust with how they can still in profitable side as how they build and established this kind of business.

End of the day, the only sure here is the house who created the system that will provide them decent profits after having patrons that will continue using their services.

[nullama]

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And we will go back to the main factor, we are in gambling and even how great you are in doing your assessment and even we will going to accept the reality that AI may predict the possible outcome, there's still potential possibility for the house to configure their system and adjust with how they can still in profitable side as how they build and established this kind of business.

End of the day, the only sure here is the house who created the system that will provide them decent profits after having patrons that will continue using their services.

Absolutely.

As you mentioned, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how accurately you can predict the odds. The house will always add some odds in their favor so that in the long term they will always end up winning.

And that's why casinos continue to operate for a long time making crazy amounts of money, and people end up in financial ruin, everywhere in the world.

[Betwrong]

~ If you are already done with doing your part and you see that AI is giving you a same advantages, possible that you will proceed and take that call and place your bet.

I think AI can be more accurate in predicting the outcomes of sport events than we humans. It just needs to take into account all the data that is relevant, and ignore misleading ones. It should be prompted properly, and for that you need some knowledge about sports betting. But then it will be very helpful. More helpful then our own analysis. I'm pretty sure pf it, and can't wait to start using an AI connected to the internet for predictions.

Using the data that are available I can agree to your statement that AI do have an advantage in analysing the possible outcome of the sport events, all the shared information will be sorted out to provide better analysis and with your knowledge about the game you'll be able to back up what AI are providing and decide on your next step after confirming it with your own analysis.

We need that confirmation form the external source. We are always like "am I right?", "am I wrong?", "what else didn't I took into account?". I'm positive that if AI will come up with the same conclusions about the outcomes, it is very likely that it will be just so. If it's a guy from your neighborhood, I wouldn't be so sure. Will AI eventually beat any human analyses? I don't know. But it will surely beat many of the so-called "experts".

[jostorres]

So yeah AI wouldn't likely predict the future for sure, but predicting the outcome of a certain fight yeah the AI can not really do such a thing so he just included and lengthen the conversation by saying some stuff on the factors that may affect the fight, so in my opinion, ChatGPT or the AI can not predict certain what may happen on gambling but it can provide some explanation about it, and what may be the outcome,

Actually, even though at this time AI may not be able to provide definite accuracy, currently there have been many attempts to improve AI, such as Chatgpt4 which is better than Chatgpt.
Indeed, AI will not fully be able to provide incorrect information, but at least it can help humans to find any information or news related to sports matches and others.
In the future there is still a lot of hope if AI can be developed to be even better

Have you used GPT-4 personally? I haven't nor do I have any plans to buy their subscription anytime soon, but I do hear that it's amazing compared to the older and free version, ChatGPT. I used to play around with ChatGPT for a lot of stuff and it never really disappointed me, and I'm sure GPT-4 will be way ahead of it since it has access to the latest data available.

But when it comes to gambling or predicting future outcomes, even GPT-4 won't be able to provide accurate predictions, it might help someone with the analysis or fetching data for the analysis, but it won't be able to predict the outcomes.

[SquallLeonhart]

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And we will go back to the main factor, we are in gambling and even how great you are in doing your assessment and even we will going to accept the reality that AI may predict the possible outcome, there's still potential possibility for the house to configure their system and adjust with how they can still in profitable side as how they build and established this kind of business.

End of the day, the only sure here is the house who created the system that will provide them decent profits after having patrons that will continue using their services.

Absolutely.

As you mentioned, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how accurately you can predict the odds. The house will always add some odds in their favor so that in the long term they will always end up winning.

And that's why casinos continue to operate for a long time making crazy amounts of money, and people end up in financial ruin, everywhere in the world.

Everyone keeps forgetting about house edge when they talk about this, and I agree that this would be the reason why they would not be managing an AI to gamble for you. You can max the capability of an AI and create the best one, but mathematically house will always win and there is no scenario, no AI, no human, no nothing that could beat a house with 1% edge (well 1% commonly but that changes based on games and casinos).

So all in all, we are not going to see an AI do better than humans do, that's just not going to happen. I hope that it will get better one day but I bet that it will not get any better and we are going to end up seeing AI fail to be better than humans. Worst part is some people will think AI will be better and test it and lose even more money than they would normally because they trusted it too much.