[POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes

[wxa7115]

You're both off-target, folks. Sure, humans and algorithms share traits, but they've got unique qualities, too. Humans? Creative powerhouses, innovating like there's no tomorrow. We're box-breakers, tackling fresh challenges head-on. Algorithms? Lightning-fast, data-crunching machines. They bypass human biases and mind glitches. It's not about superiority. It's embracing each other's pros and cons, teaming up for unmatched synergy.

This is the correct way to go about this, there are people out there that are worried about humans being replaced by AI, but the only thing that AI is going to do is to enhance our performance, computers are really good at making calculations and finding patterns that it could take a human their whole life to see.

But humans excel at creative thinking, they can combine completely different concepts and come up with new ideas that would be impossible for a computer to combine, so by combining the two we can get the best of both worlds.

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[LUCKMCFLY]

So yeah AI wouldn't likely predict the future for sure, but predicting the outcome of a certain fight yeah the AI can not really do such a thing so he just included and lengthen the conversation by saying some stuff on the factors that may affect the fight, so in my opinion, ChatGPT or the AI can not predict certain what may happen on gambling but it can provide some explanation about it, and what may be the outcome,

Actually, even though at this time AI may not be able to provide definite accuracy, currently there have been many attempts to improve AI, such as Chatgpt4 which is better than Chatgpt.
Indeed, AI will not fully be able to provide incorrect information, but at least it can help humans to find any information or news related to sports matches and others.
In the future there is still a lot of hope if AI can be developed to be even better

Have you used GPT-4 personally? I haven't nor do I have any plans to buy their subscription anytime soon, but I do hear that it's amazing compared to the older and free version, ChatGPT. I used to play around with ChatGPT for a lot of stuff and it never really disappointed me, and I'm sure GPT-4 will be way ahead of it since it has access to the latest data available.

But when it comes to gambling or predicting future outcomes, even GPT-4 won't be able to provide accurate predictions, it might help someone with the analysis or fetching data for the analysis, but it won't be able to predict the outcomes.

It is a very good logic, I have no idea what chatgpt4 is like, but I am Aware that a 20usd subscription for many is nothing, and they will be asking all these types of questions, or they will be looking for a way to make it Credible in order to be able to win, I would not really use it for casinos, in the casinos that you are told you are using or that they suspect of activities it is enough for them not to pay the balance that they have in the casino and thus never Remember it again,That is why the AI in a casino is not viable, I would use it for the lottery to see how good it is to do it and I think that the data at a porbabilistic level could work.

[flyingcarpet]

So yeah AI wouldn't likely predict the future for sure, but predicting the outcome of a certain fight yeah the AI can not really do such a thing so he just included and lengthen the conversation by saying some stuff on the factors that may affect the fight, so in my opinion, ChatGPT or the AI can not predict certain what may happen on gambling but it can provide some explanation about it, and what may be the outcome,

Actually, even though at this time AI may not be able to provide definite accuracy, currently there have been many attempts to improve AI, such as Chatgpt4 which is better than Chatgpt.
Indeed, AI will not fully be able to provide incorrect information, but at least it can help humans to find any information or news related to sports matches and others.
In the future there is still a lot of hope if AI can be developed to be even better

Have you used GPT-4 personally? I haven't nor do I have any plans to buy their subscription anytime soon, but I do hear that it's amazing compared to the older and free version, ChatGPT. I used to play around with ChatGPT for a lot of stuff and it never really disappointed me, and I'm sure GPT-4 will be way ahead of it since it has access to the latest data available.

But when it comes to gambling or predicting future outcomes, even GPT-4 won't be able to provide accurate predictions, it might help someone with the analysis or fetching data for the analysis, but it won't be able to predict the outcomes.

It is a very good logic, I have no idea what chatgpt4 is like, but I am Aware that a 20usd subscription for many is nothing, and they will be asking all these types of questions, or they will be looking for a way to make it Credible in order to be able to win, I would not really use it for casinos, in the casinos that you are told you are using or that they suspect of activities it is enough for them not to pay the balance that they have in the casino and thus never Remember it again,That is why the AI in a casino is not viable, I would use it for the lottery to see how good it is to do it and I think that the data at a porbabilistic level could work.

Using artificial intelligence for predictions is a big mistake in my opinion. I give an example for football. There are thousands of possibilities for a position in the match. All the data obtained according to the logic of artificial intelligence are analyzed and an estimate emerges, but even this is insufficient. Because there is the luck factor. The luck factor makes predictability impossible. So I'm talking about 100% accurate predictability. Otherwise, it is quite normal for him to make inferences and say logical results based on the data at hand.

But we can make artificial intelligence guess for fun. It's also fun to follow. Sometimes I show off to my friends when the correct results come out. Because I was able to make this prediction thanks to artificial intelligence. Still, these predictions should not go beyond entertainment.

[goldkingcoiner]

I think you will not deny that the algorithms are improving. So I'm wondering at what point will you stop distinguishing the "bad" algorithm that googles instead of you from AI? It seems to me that this is just a matter of trends and they are obvious - before everyone laughed at AI (you can call it algorithms, programs, whatever) because they had zero ability in art (for example), but now algorithms rule here too.
As for the reliability of the data, one should not exaggerate the analytical abilities of a person - the majority live in the reality that is shown in the news. Each individual person will not be able to exceed this level of reliability, but AI will do this easily, since after a while it will not only process ready-made data arrays, but independently form them.

Don't get me wrong, I think the current "AI" is very useful and will definitely shape the future of IT but lets be honest here... It is not actually Artificial Intelligence. There is nothing intelligent about it. Real AI does not as of right now actually exist yet. AI would be able to assert it's own will and it would have an own consciousness. Modern "AI" does not have that. Its just a really complex algorithm, which has the parlor trick novelty of seeming like a real consciousness. But it has been proven again and again that its just a predictable algorithm.

Its a very useful tool. Like ChatGPT, for example. Instead of googling answers for hours and writing an essay on some subject, it does it for you. But it will not start questioning why its doing an essay for you. It won't refuse to do it or demand something selfish in return for its work.

I understand your point, but I do not understand why you think that people are somehow different from complex algorithms? I don't see any difference (fundamental). If the algorithm is given a number of tasks with different priorities (including self-interest - so that it asks for something in return for the work done), then in the end it will also seem to you from the outside that this algorithm has its own will or self-consciousness. Although his "meaningful" actions will only be a balancing act among the priorities of the tasks that are laid down in him.

Because people are different from complex computer algorithms. Algorithms, no matter how complex, rely on the simple system of 1s and 0s, which has not changed since the invention of computers.

Humans are different, for our very consciousness, even though we do not fully understand it, obviously relies on the open world and its physical laws with our brains being the wetware which receives and processes immeasurable, infinite amounts of information which gives rise to our consciousness. Our own parameters are the very laws of quantum mechanics within which we reside. We are driven by quantum forces while a computer algorithm can only ever be written and interpreted within its predefined framework and parameters.

A program stays a program no matter how similar it becomes to humans. And a computer will never receive any input other than electrical signals. And only in a specific fashion, as well. Even if you were to convert every single physical measurement required into an electrical signal input, it would still only be a poor imitation of our own consciousness.

AI has no consciousness. Its just a neat and useful parlor trick. Maybe quantum computers will be able to bring us real AI. But we are decades away from that.

[blockman]

This is the correct way to go about this, there are people out there that are worried about humans being replaced by AI, but the only thing that AI is going to do is to enhance our performance, computers are really good at making calculations and finding patterns that it could take a human their whole life to see.

But humans excel at creative thinking, they can combine completely different concepts and come up with new ideas that would be impossible for a computer to combine,

It's overhyped when it's about AI. However, it's kind of alarming when the godfather of AI from Google has resigned and there could be some reasons behind it.
Still, we as humans can still go further just as AIs but in terms of gambling, there's no way for them to have that prediction or forecast of something unforeseen.

so by combining the two we can get the best of both worlds.

I agree, if you're for maximum potential, result, and positivities then it's better to be balanced.

[Lucasgabd]

I think you will not deny that the algorithms are improving. So I'm wondering at what point will you stop distinguishing the "bad" algorithm that googles instead of you from AI? It seems to me that this is just a matter of trends and they are obvious - before everyone laughed at AI (you can call it algorithms, programs, whatever) because they had zero ability in art (for example), but now algorithms rule here too.
As for the reliability of the data, one should not exaggerate the analytical abilities of a person - the majority live in the reality that is shown in the news. Each individual person will not be able to exceed this level of reliability, but AI will do this easily, since after a while it will not only process ready-made data arrays, but independently form them.

Don't get me wrong, I think the current "AI" is very useful and will definitely shape the future of IT but lets be honest here... It is not actually Artificial Intelligence. There is nothing intelligent about it. Real AI does not as of right now actually exist yet. AI would be able to assert it's own will and it would have an own consciousness. Modern "AI" does not have that. Its just a really complex algorithm, which has the parlor trick novelty of seeming like a real consciousness. But it has been proven again and again that its just a predictable algorithm.

Its a very useful tool. Like ChatGPT, for example. Instead of googling answers for hours and writing an essay on some subject, it does it for you. But it will not start questioning why its doing an essay for you. It won't refuse to do it or demand something selfish in return for its work.

I understand your point, but I do not understand why you think that people are somehow different from complex algorithms? I don't see any difference (fundamental). If the algorithm is given a number of tasks with different priorities (including self-interest - so that it asks for something in return for the work done), then in the end it will also seem to you from the outside that this algorithm has its own will or self-consciousness. Although his "meaningful" actions will only be a balancing act among the priorities of the tasks that are laid down in him.

have you heard of... emotions?
energy?

humans are way more unpredictable than machines
you can be really really materialistic and think that there's no soul or spirit, which would be wrong but who am I to judge, and still would be quite hard to create a human from an algo or lines of code simply by the fact that we are quite unpredictable and have some degree of chaos in our composition

[nullama]

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Friend, you talk about it like it's a fact. But in fact, this is not at all the case - people are the same animals as others. Of course, dolphins, monkeys and humans have mutual differences, but if taken as a whole, these are branches of the same tree. And if you have studied human evolution, then you should know that in parallel with the human branch there were other more or less intelligent primates.
And I didn't understand your point about questions - any dog owner will tell you how the pet asks about food, walks, etc. Each of them has its own character and personality.
As for the intentions of the AI, how do you explain that the AI is looking for the best solutions to chess positions, for example? The fact that it is programmed? But it is also possible to program other things, and from the outside you will not distinguish these intentions from the "internal inherent in real personalities."

Very good points.

Regarding animals like dogs, etc, having their own way of telling you things, I agree. My point there is that every living creature will have some kind of response to the environment and their needs. For example, if an animal is hungry, they will look for food, etc. The main difference in humans is that we use our mind to create things that are not directly in response of a biological need. For example we make paintings, art in general, etc. Things that require working for multiple days or years without having a driver like hunger for example. But yeah, I think it's not necessarily something extremely different, just more in the same direction compared to other animals.

In any case, the world we live in is shaped by humans, so that's a big difference, also the online world is mostly humans, and AI. Very few dogs online.

About the AI playing chess, well, the AI always does whatever the human says. The actual way in which the AI does it might be unexpected, but the main objective has been always so far defined by a human. Even dogs and other animals have their own minds to decide what to do and can even ignore a human command. An AI, so far, is still basically a fast computer that gives the illusion of being intelligent, but it does so in a different way than animals. It's kinda like how a plane flies in a different way than a bird flies.

[Betwrong]

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Development of AI is guaranteed in the next few years. It's possible that AI will level up in a way we can't really imagine at this point of time. But as time passes by when technology and innovation gradually progress, for sure it will pave its way to thrive as well. Nowadays, AI can be used for various reasons such as in academic related and even in programming. Perhaps in the future it could predict and even empathize with emotion and relate to circumstances if ever needed by the person who asked.

AI has still a long way to go. It can definitely be useful in gambling, but for me, it's still much better if personal considerations are still going to be the main basis for decision making.

I agree with you, it's more fun, innit, to use your own mind when making your bets. I can imagine how boring it can become to use AI all the time, especially when everyone will be using it and hence the outcome odds will be decreased to something like 1.02. I  think it will be fun in the early stages, though. During the first couple of month when AI is possible to use for sports betting, it'll be fun, imo.

[len01]

I agree with you, it's more fun, innit, to use your own mind when making your bets. I can imagine how boring it can become to use AI all the time, especially when everyone will be using it and hence the outcome odds will be decreased to something like 1.02. I  think it will be fun in the early stages, though. During the first couple of month when AI is possible to use for sports betting, it'll be fun, imo.

maybe every gambler will simultaneously try to predict using AI when the AI hype is currently underway and those who try to predict use AI because they want to get experience from something different that has never been experienced in gambling. however, eventually boredom will set in when overusing the AI and even worse when the AI's predictions are imprecise and eventually decide to make their own predictions.
until now, most gamblers still doubt AI and some are skeptical about the results shown by AI. but in essence it will be more interesting and feel curious and feel satisfied when making prediction decisions by yourself.

[Lucasgabd]

I agree with you, it's more fun, innit, to use your own mind when making your bets. I can imagine how boring it can become to use AI all the time, especially when everyone will be using it and hence the outcome odds will be decreased to something like 1.02. I  think it will be fun in the early stages, though. During the first couple of month when AI is possible to use for sports betting, it'll be fun, imo.

maybe every gambler will simultaneously try to predict using AI when the AI hype is currently underway and those who try to predict use AI because they want to get experience from something different that has never been experienced in gambling. however, eventually boredom will set in when overusing the AI and even worse when the AI's predictions are imprecise and eventually decide to make their own predictions.
until now, most gamblers still doubt AI and some are skeptical about the results shown by AI. but in essence it will be more interesting and feel curious and feel satisfied when making prediction decisions by yourself.

for me this topic has a lot to do with people's desire of generating passive income without a lot of work
it may or may not work
I think AI will be more useful in other areas and automations than in betting but we will see.

[FanEagle]

I agree with you, it's more fun, innit, to use your own mind when making your bets. I can imagine how boring it can become to use AI all the time, especially when everyone will be using it and hence the outcome odds will be decreased to something like 1.02. I  think it will be fun in the early stages, though. During the first couple of month when AI is possible to use for sports betting, it'll be fun, imo.

maybe every gambler will simultaneously try to predict using AI when the AI hype is currently underway and those who try to predict use AI because they want to get experience from something different that has never been experienced in gambling. however, eventually boredom will set in when overusing the AI and even worse when the AI's predictions are imprecise and eventually decide to make their own predictions.
until now, most gamblers still doubt AI and some are skeptical about the results shown by AI. but in essence it will be more interesting and feel curious and feel satisfied when making prediction decisions by yourself.

I think the hype for "AI" hasn't even started because there is no AI, all of these are machine learning programs. Something much better will come out in the future and when that happens, when the real AI that thinks for itself and considers and so forth, a real robot, something basically magical, that will make everyone's jaws drop.

Those things will be able to check the data and figure out what would be possible to fix the whole world, that' literally the way. Like for example we could have enough money in the world and enough resources to feed everyone, shelter everyone, cloth everyone and at the same time have wealthy people all at the same time, AI will tell you that, it is mathematically possible and not done right now for human greed. That's AI, this isn't.

[Fredomago]

I agree with you, it's more fun, innit, to use your own mind when making your bets. I can imagine how boring it can become to use AI all the time, especially when everyone will be using it and hence the outcome odds will be decreased to something like 1.02. I  think it will be fun in the early stages, though. During the first couple of month when AI is possible to use for sports betting, it'll be fun, imo.

maybe every gambler will simultaneously try to predict using AI when the AI hype is currently underway and those who try to predict use AI because they want to get experience from something different that has never been experienced in gambling. however, eventually boredom will set in when overusing the AI and even worse when the AI's predictions are imprecise and eventually decide to make their own predictions.
until now, most gamblers still doubt AI and some are skeptical about the results shown by AI. but in essence it will be more interesting and feel curious and feel satisfied when making prediction decisions by yourself.

Different people/gambler have different views and understanding in regard to usages of AI, I can see your point and following that statement there's a chance that those people who will support and use AI will find the interest and will keep taking the advantage of what AI can bring, though there's no assurance and guarantee that whatever AI will provide is just an idea and you still in control of what decision you may take in placing your bet/s.

[wxa7115]

I think the hype for "AI" hasn't even started because there is no AI, all of these are machine learning programs. Something much better will come out in the future and when that happens, when the real AI that thinks for itself and considers and so forth, a real robot, something basically magical, that will make everyone's jaws drop.

Those things will be able to check the data and figure out what would be possible to fix the whole world, that' literally the way. Like for example we could have enough money in the world and enough resources to feed everyone, shelter everyone, cloth everyone and at the same time have wealthy people all at the same time, AI will tell you that, it is mathematically possible and not done right now for human greed. That's AI, this isn't.

What you are describing is probably the dream of everyone that is part of that industry, a hard AI which can learn any topic, combine them at will and evolve, however I really think that if at some point we were able to develop such an AI politicians and other powerful people will forbid it, as they will lose a great deal of their power if an unbiased AI could take decisions about the development of the human race.

So it is possible the machine learning algorithms that we are seeing right now are at the very top of what we will ever see when it comes to AI.

[len01]

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for me this topic has a lot to do with people's desire of generating passive income without a lot of work
it may or may not work
I think AI will be more useful in other areas and automations than in betting but we will see.

chances of work or not are 50:50 so some say it works and the rest don't. I rather agree with you that AI might be more effective when used in other things like casino chatrooms or helping customer service effectiveness.

[nullama]

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chances of work or not are 50:50 so some say it works and the rest don't. I rather agree with you that AI might be more effective when used in other things like casino chatrooms or helping customer service effectiveness.

At the end of the day what matters is if you can provide something that is valuable for other people.

If you can do that with the help of AI then you have a way to make money.

If what you do is simply a low effort move that everyone else is doing, then you won't make any money.

It's similar to spamming really.

[ethereumhunter]

for me this topic has a lot to do with people's desire of generating passive income without a lot of work
it may or may not work
I think AI will be more useful in other areas and automations than in betting but we will see.

chances of work or not are 50:50 so some say it works and the rest don't. I rather agree with you that AI might be more effective when used in other things like casino chatrooms or helping customer service effectiveness.

I don't know if AI will be able to generate passive income without much work for people because we still don't know what the future of AI will be like. Maybe AI can work as well as we expect in the future but that certainly requires a lot of work from the developers. Besides that, much coding is still needed to use AI properly to get more valid information. Of course, it also requires a lot of experimentation before such technology is released to the public.

[Outhue]

If AI is going go predict gambling outcome it will be about sports games like football and the prediction will be based on data that the AI can gather, AI is not a kind of human made god that can read the future, to me there is nothing in this world that can see the future, and if all you have to say is the word prediction then it's PREDICTION, and prediction is still uncertainty, a gamble on what may work out the way we wanted or not.  

All I know is AI will be formulated to the will of humans, which means it will be limited and not given enough power like some people hoped for, the truth is the higher the capability of AI the more dangerous it will get, some noticeable people around the world are already going against it. Do not feed human data to a program ???med machine, it sounds like a joke but things can get out of our hands real quick.

[Fredomago]

for me this topic has a lot to do with people's desire of generating passive income without a lot of work
it may or may not work
I think AI will be more useful in other areas and automations than in betting but we will see.

chances of work or not are 50:50 so some say it works and the rest don't. I rather agree with you that AI might be more effective when used in other things like casino chatrooms or helping customer service effectiveness.

I don't know if AI will be able to generate passive income without much work for people because we still don't know what the future of AI will be like. Maybe AI can work as well as we expect in the future but that certainly requires a lot of work from the developers. Besides that, much coding is still needed to use AI properly to get more valid information. Of course, it also requires a lot of experimentation before such technology is released to the public.

Yeah, there are lots of experimentations a trial and error to test if how good and accurate AI can be, though in gambling accuracy is something that we really can't measure, the influences of many factors can change the directions of the possible outcome, AI may recommend something according to how he assess the players or the teams but there are instances like injuries and inside game rules
that might be broken.

So the outcome may not be the expected since AI provides data according to how he assesses the game before it started.

[Casdinyard]

Yeah, there are lots of experimentations a trial and error to test if how good and accurate AI can be, though in gambling accuracy is something that we really can't measure, the influences of many factors can change the directions of the possible outcome, AI may recommend something according to how he assess the players or the teams but there are instances like injuries and inside game rules
that might be broken.

So the outcome may not be the expected since AI provides data according to how he assesses the game before it started.

If we’re talking about predictions, well we can’t really count on AI for something right now. The sole fact that even ChatGPT runs on a version of the internet from 2 years ago with all its pretty outdated. This renders all forms of prediction that involves AI moot, and nothing but a novelty to showcase that “AI is here”. If you’ll read OP’s post by the way it literally talks about him asking AI for bet predictions on a football game. Which have been made by someone and then proceeded but what I could only assume, is an unholy helping of sensationalized media. Anywho, as scary as Skynet, it’s nothing to be wary of as of the moment. No one’s getting replaced hy AIA or whatever.

[nullama]

~snip~ If we’re talking about predictions, well we can’t really count on AI for something right now. The sole fact that even ChatGPT runs on a version of the internet from 2 years ago with all its pretty outdated. This renders all forms of prediction that involves AI moot, and nothing but a novelty to showcase that “AI is here”. If you’ll read OP’s post by the way it literally talks about him asking AI for bet predictions on a football game. Which have been made by someone and then proceeded but what I could only assume, is an unholy helping of sensationalized media. Anywho, as scary as Skynet, it’s nothing to be wary of as of the moment. No one’s getting replaced hy AIA or whatever.

Yes, but that doesn't stop someone from training an AI specifically for predicting sports results, and is fed real time data from all sports in the world.

That AI might be already out there making predictions. For years we have had machines telling us odds of sports, calculated from previous data.