[POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes

[KTChampions]

I wonder to what extent the future is unknown for ChatGTP? In general, all events range from "can't happen" to "will definitely happen". Obviously if you ask "will the sun rise tomorrow" then the answer will be "Yes" and not "I am a language model so I don't know". Probably with sporting events it is possible to get some thoughts from ChatGTP. But it is necessary to correctly formulate questions and not ask what is really impossible to predict.

When I came across this post I thought I just have to give it a try and see what happens when ChatGPT is asked whether the sun will rise tomorrow!



@KTChampions you could have known better, it is only "with a high degree of confidence"! Admittedly, we are stuck now. We can't prove ChatGPT wrong. AI won.

But frankly speaking, I thought as well that ChatGPT will come up with a different answer, a more definitive answer.

Hehe, I was right (in the next post), we got a completely accurate answer and without any excuses that "I'm a language model ..." 
It turns out that ChatGTP answered our question that this event will happen with a probability close to 100%. If you ask a question even more precisely, then I think you can get an even more accurate answer from ChatGTP, because the statistics of a catastrophic asteroid impact are generally known (once in a million years) and if this probability is removed from 100%, then the remaining one is still very close to 100%.

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[savetheFORUM]

I can certainly appreciate your point of view, acknowledging the inherent unpredictability of AI. Yet, I posit that we should not underestimate the value that AI brings to the table in terms of prediction and conjecture. With each passing day, AI is honing its skills and refining its algorithms, ultimately resulting in a more nuanced and accurate process. While there is no such thing as a sure thing, utilizing AI in our decision-making can be the difference-maker when it comes to forecasting the future.

I agree with you that AI is improving its skills and algorithms every day. But they are just algorithms. The AI does not take into account the mood of the athletes, their injuries, their physical and mental condition. If you bet on sports, you must take these and many other parameters into account. AI is not able to do that, unlike humans.

We now have tools that checks the condition of a person and what if they upgrade it to give instant updates online? But, I am not only sure if it will be allowed in sporting events as this can be a form of cheating for those who are making a bet online. People can still make predictions according on what they see online or on live matches but there are some things which are hard to tell or hard to seen if we are far away from the athletes.

Some AI programs are only released lately. They aren't perfect yet so their devs are doing their best to improve their creations. For now maybe it's only the algorithms are the ones that they will improve but who knows in the future? Maybe they can be able to add more functions and integrations with it.

[nullama]

I tried to force ChatGPT to make a prediction about the past, or, a retrodiction, if you speak scientifically. Here's the result:

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I think it kinda gives us an impression on how ChatGPT would be predicting the future events if it were connected to the internet today and its database was updating on a daily basis.

Interesting experiment. It makes sense though, chatgpt is not trained to make prediction, instead it just basically mimics what would be searching the web for facts and replying to a question.

In a more dedicated AI, the output could have been different, because it might be trained with different types of data.

That's the thing, there's no single AI, every AI is different, just like every person is different.

We will soon have AI racism 

[STT]

AI cannot recover what is lacking in the questions it is asked to answer, it will only return whats on google pretty much.  Mild assistance in a basic way if you are rushed that could be helpful in bringing up past results for relevant judgement, some sites already provide this kind of info.   To actually decide for you I dont think it will improve except to remove the basis you might have in voting emotionally.

[wxa7115]

I tried to force ChatGPT to make a prediction about the past, or, a retrodiction, if you speak scientifically. Here's the result:

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I think it kinda gives us an impression on how ChatGPT would be predicting the future events if it were connected to the internet today and its database was updating on a daily basis.

Interesting experiment. It makes sense though, chatgpt is not trained to make prediction, instead it just basically mimics what would be searching the web for facts and replying to a question.

In a more dedicated AI, the output could have been different, because it might be trained with different types of data.

That's the thing, there's no single AI, every AI is different, just like every person is different.

We will soon have AI racism  

Right now we are very far away from reaching a general AI that can do everything in a way similar to what a human can do.

We have AI which can perform just one task at a high level, assuming it was trained appropriately by the people behind the AI, so someone which wants to create an AI that gambles for him and makes accurate predictions about the different sports needs to know how to do this by themselves already, which in a way defeats the purpose of developing an AI like this to begin with.

[Fredomago]

Predicting future outcomes is something that can't be done by humans, animals or machines and it will never be. AIs can thinking about possibilities, just like humans, but accuracy is never going to be a guarantee. But it's not unsual that AIs are being promoted as a safe tool for betting, because there are developers who earn money with this, just like trading bots developers and every other professionals working inside the clairvoyance industry, including the esoteric ones.

AI can make attempts on future predictions. This machines are feed with sample datas and they are made to learn from past events which aid this bots  make predictions based on what they learn from the models they are been trained on. AI is rapidly increasing. They might get their predictions wrong in few cases but definitely their guesses will be far better than those of human thinking.

If basing from with data then yes it can be more better than human analysis, there are things that human can ruined their bets, emotions and out of control decision making, you might have a better chance if you will allow AI to bring good data then run it from the system to pick the closes winning pick then check and base everything with how AI provided information about the selected pick.

The last part is for you to judge whether the pick is good or you needed to have more info before taking the risk of betting with the one being provided.

An AI is obviously to help human beings since an AI learns in a short time, it must also be taken into account that now this AI thing is booming, I see it as a trend, most people only talk about AI and its scope.

The AI is in the development stage, we cannot completely trust an AI, much less its detectors, because how can they determine if it is AI? as? The only way I see AI detectors can be trusted is if they give the same results in at least 10 known detectors and also if they have advanced anti-plagiarism development. Even so, I think that our intelligence is still an irreplaceable option because it has other elements associated with it, such as emotions, something that no AI can feel..

Getting your sentiment with that last statement, sometimes, that emotions leads us to failure and those who understand well on how to use artificial intelligence knew that with emotionless gambling/trading or anything that related to something that might affects our fears should not be used while you are into the kind of business.

Lesser risk if you allow your future goal to take place. As long as you are willing to take the risk and know how to wait till your set target will be hit, AI is useful on that kind of matter.

[GigaBit]

Maybe we don't expect to see AI predicting matches but if that's the case in the future, we can't do anything about it and can only accept it. After all, today's AI technology is not as perfect as desired, so the parties involved still have to work harder to achieve the desired results. Maybe later, AI will provide the probability of opportunities that a competing team can obtain, and it will be up to us how we can choose the team.

Meanwhile, collecting more valid data may still need us because we are the ones who will choose the stakes.

It would be a little absurd to expect artificial intelligence to make predictions about match results. But it can give us some clues. For example, when a team that scores a goal with a counter attack and a team that concedes a goal from a counter attack are matched, it may be enough to give us a warning. I am hopeful for this technology. I think it will help us in all areas. It can also give us some clues about the results of the matches.

Here one can get some advantages but those advantages may not be very effective in your winning. because any player's absence or injury, pitch condition, etc. are the factors that are not included in their algorithm. I don't think they have any good research on those things. Moreover, if you ask them today about the match that took place yesterday, you will not get that answer exactly. So predicting a win based on this eye is nothing but foolishness. Moreover, when they are asked about this phenomenon, they admit that they are incompetent and then provide a result.

[tygeade]

We all know, the presence of Al is very helpful for its users. Al can work efficiently and quickly, of course this is very profitable so that it can be used to help us employ him and productivity will increase. Plus, it helps minimize human error.
But in terms of predicting a match result, I still doubt it very much. because, sports cannot be predicted based solely on available statistics or data. each result, will be determined by the players who are competing. that is, anything can happen during a match or a battle is in progress. So, I really doubt if artificial intelligence technology can predict match results, especially if the results are very accurate. apparently, something I still find it hard to believe. but to get the data we need, to find the information we want, AI can be very reliable.

But at least we can see how high the chance we can get from the AI can be a consideration for us whether we will choose data from AI results or from our analysis results. What's important is that we know that everything still poses a risk to us, whatever we choose, and we should be able to determine what's best for us.

Sports results can change even in the early minutes of the match starting and we should also be able to predict it based on the history they have played before. This can also help us in collecting more data and can decide later. Let's wait for the latest news from the developers who develop AI for sports betting.

I think that's the point and that's how any AI prediction should be used. Get it to respond and maybe it will give you all the probability and all that, but then we are talking about still making a choice yourself. Like for example we could see an AI calculate the players, consider injured ones, consider the ratings of players when they played, or any replacement they will have, and how the opponent plays, and every single data and that could give us a good result, but then it should be us who can take it seriously or not.

A machine that calculates odds based on every single possible information is good, but not as good as any human who has been doing this for years.

[KTChampions]

Right now we are very far away from reaching a general AI that can do everything in a way similar to what a human can do.

We have AI which can perform just one task at a high level, assuming it was trained appropriately by the people behind he AI, so someone which wants to create an AI that gambles for him and makes accurate predictions about the different sports needs to know how to do this by themselves already, which in a way defeats the purpose of developing an AI like this to begin with.

If I remember correctly, the AlphaGo program that beat the strongest people (and other programs) in Go similarly learned to play about 40 games entirely on its own. It is clear that predicting sports events is a task with incomplete information, unlike games where all information is known in advance, but nevertheless, I see no reason why AI could not learn to make predictions without the participation of people.

[Viscore]

I agree with you that AI is improving its skills and algorithms every day. But they are just algorithms. The AI does not take into account the mood of the athletes, their injuries, their physical and mental condition. If you bet on sports, you must take these and many other parameters into account. AI is not able to do that, unlike humans.

Yes, you are actually right on that very statement of yours, because I just tried testing if ChatGPT if it can predict future outcome of a football match, and the A.I supply told that it beyond it's power to predict future event or the correct score of a football match, as there are many factors that might affect it's outcome, such as what you mention above (I.e injuries, team performance & weather e.t.c).

I'm sorry, but as an AI language model, I am not able to predict the future or provide specific scores for sporting events. Sports matches are unpredictable and can be influenced by various factors such as team performance, injuries, weather, and many other variables. It's best to watch the game and see how it unfolds.

Source: ChatGPT

This is a clear explanation that AI has nothing to do with sportsbetting predictions as it’s already beyond its power, unlike a human mind who can always have limitless thinking and predictions with regards to different factors that will affect the outcome of the game. Even in slots and other casino games, those games are always unpredictable so AI won’t still be helpful about that, the only thing that casinos are predictable is when it comes to the house will always win over its players.

[BigBos]

I agree with you that AI is improving its skills and algorithms every day. But they are just algorithms. The AI does not take into account the mood of the athletes, their injuries, their physical and mental condition. If you bet on sports, you must take these and many other parameters into account. AI is not able to do that, unlike humans.

Yes, you are actually right on that very statement of yours, because I just tried testing if ChatGPT if it can predict future outcome of a football match, and the A.I supply told that it beyond it's power to predict future event or the correct score of a football match, as there are many factors that might affect it's outcome, such as what you mention above (I.e injuries, team performance & weather e.t.c).

I'm sorry, but as an AI language model, I am not able to predict the future or provide specific scores for sporting events. Sports matches are unpredictable and can be influenced by various factors such as team performance, injuries, weather, and many other variables. It's best to watch the game and see how it unfolds.

Source: ChatGPT

This is a clear explanation that AI has nothing to do with sportsbetting predictions as it’s already beyond its power, unlike a human mind who can always have limitless thinking and predictions with regards to different factors that will affect the outcome of the game. Even in slots and other casino games, those games are always unpredictable so AI won’t still be helpful about that, the only thing that casinos are predictable is when it comes to the house will always win over its players.

Yes, it's true that at this time AI cannot predict who will win and who will lose, or maybe the developer did not include this in the ChatGPT system because if you think about it, predict by analyzing opportunities, abilities, experience and conditions of a the team can be assessed with specific statistics and it is possible that in such a program the AI will provide possibilities with such calculations. But it seems that it's not in ChatGPT yet, we may need to wait some more time to see its development in the future, and who knows AI can be as intelligent in predicting as humans.

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Yes, it's true that at this time AI cannot predict who will win and who will lose, or maybe the developer did not include this in the ChatGPT system because if you think about it, predict by analyzing opportunities, abilities, experience and conditions of a the team can be assessed with specific statistics and it is possible that in such a program the AI will provide possibilities with such calculations. But it seems that it's not in ChatGPT yet, we may need to wait some more time to see its development in the future, and who knows AI can be as intelligent in predicting as humans.

It will need more updates in the future for it to be able to analyze updated data from sports news and bookies. They are going to be part of the data sources for AIs to be able to correctly set up replies to betting queries.

But still up to us to believe what it wants to say.  I am one of those who just bet through what others picked so I know exactly how it feels when betrayed by the information fed to me. Once the AIs prove to be useless in sports betting, we'll finally stop bugging after consecutive loss.

[EdenHazard]

I tried to force ChatGPT to make a prediction about the past, or, a retrodiction, if you speak scientifically. Here's the result:



I think it kinda gives us an impression on how ChatGPT would be predicting the future events if it were connected to the internet today and its database was updating on a daily basis.

Included the bookmakers database which make things a lot more complicated predicting the odds prediction owned by a bookmakers on how they determine the price , prediction is just a prediction not even an AI platform such chatGPT can do this all perfectly.

Can't imagine if the football mafia database leaked & connected as well , must be hilarious.

[LUCKMCFLY]

And by trying to find more news besides using AI to find other news, it will give us more information where we can find out what's going on out there.
That can also be our consideration in choosing a team with a big chance of winning.
And we can also compare which news provides more genuine or fake information because nowadays, a lot of fake news cannot be accounted for.
Only wise gamblers can use AI properly while they keep looking elsewhere for the info to support their research.

An essence of being wise, right? Maximizing the usages of AI while still working with other sources of information before deciding where to bet, it's truly a human desire to find more edge to have better outcome, but in terms of AI, still not that accurate as there are factors that AI can't predict as early as the game is not starting yet, injuries and the coach decision to rest and sit their stars.

Something that AI can't provide for you when you run the check. It's still you as human who can decide which player/team to bet
that have a good chance of winning.

Making an AI efficient enough to predict or perform some sports actions is difficult, it is a fact that there is a lot left for AIs to be efficient, the first demos are coming out so far, which makes an AI database difficult to update with the real information since a very must have many verification algorithms, so for sports it will be very difficult to make a prediction with an efficiency greater than 95% because what the AI would do would be the work of an expert appraiser , and to do that job, human presence is needed. to be able to establish all the verdicts.

[Fredomago]

And by trying to find more news besides using AI to find other news, it will give us more information where we can find out what's going on out there.
That can also be our consideration in choosing a team with a big chance of winning.
And we can also compare which news provides more genuine or fake information because nowadays, a lot of fake news cannot be accounted for.
Only wise gamblers can use AI properly while they keep looking elsewhere for the info to support their research.

An essence of being wise, right? Maximizing the usages of AI while still working with other sources of information before deciding where to bet, it's truly a human desire to find more edge to have better outcome, but in terms of AI, still not that accurate as there are factors that AI can't predict as early as the game is not starting yet, injuries and the coach decision to rest and sit their stars.

Something that AI can't provide for you when you run the check. It's still you as human who can decide which player/team to bet
that have a good chance of winning.

Making an AI efficient enough to predict or perform some sports actions is difficult, it is a fact that there is a lot left for AIs to be efficient, the first demos are coming out so far, which makes an AI database difficult to update with the real information since a very must have many verification algorithms, so for sports it will be very difficult to make a prediction with an efficiency greater than 95% because what the AI would do would be the work of an expert appraiser , and to do that job, human presence is needed. to be able to establish all the verdicts.

On the other side, Yup AI can provide the verdict but the accuracy still in question, that data and information from past games may be useful but the actual situation during the game will change the possible outcome, it's been added before that there are consideration like injuries and other types of possible reason to change the outcome.

Where AI didn't anticipate when providing the verdict and providing the possible outcome of the game that you pick.

[AicecreaME]

On the other side, Yup AI can provide the verdict but the accuracy still in question, that data and information from past games may be useful but the actual situation during the game will change the possible outcome, it's been added before that there are consideration like injuries and other types of possible reason to change the outcome.

Where AI didn't anticipate when providing the verdict and providing the possible outcome of the game that you pick.

I agree with this. While AI can predict the game's outcome, there's no guarantee that it will not be wrong because AIs are just relying on the past information and the information given to its system. The other aspect of researching isn't covered, therefore there's a chance that the relevant and updated news or the minor details are overlooked. Which in this case, it'll be a disadvantage since not every factor and angle are considered in decision making.

If you'll use an AI to predict a game's result, then you must be ready for whatever the outcome of your bet relied on it. For me, you should still do your very own in-depth research and analysis aside from consulting or following an AI prediction.

[ethereumhunter]

We all know, the presence of Al is very helpful for its users. Al can work efficiently and quickly, of course this is very profitable so that it can be used to help us employ him and productivity will increase. Plus, it helps minimize human error.
But in terms of predicting a match result, I still doubt it very much. because, sports cannot be predicted based solely on available statistics or data. each result, will be determined by the players who are competing. that is, anything can happen during a match or a battle is in progress. So, I really doubt if artificial intelligence technology can predict match results, especially if the results are very accurate. apparently, something I still find it hard to believe. but to get the data we need, to find the information we want, AI can be very reliable.

But at least we can see how high the chance we can get from the AI can be a consideration for us whether we will choose data from AI results or from our analysis results. What's important is that we know that everything still poses a risk to us, whatever we choose, and we should be able to determine what's best for us.

Sports results can change even in the early minutes of the match starting and we should also be able to predict it based on the history they have played before. This can also help us in collecting more data and can decide later. Let's wait for the latest news from the developers who develop AI for sports betting.

I think that's the point and that's how any AI prediction should be used. Get it to respond and maybe it will give you all the probability and all that, but then we are talking about still making a choice yourself. Like for example we could see an AI calculate the players, consider injured ones, consider the ratings of players when they played, or any replacement they will have, and how the opponent plays, and every single data and that could give us a good result, but then it should be us who can take it seriously or not.

A machine that calculates odds based on every single possible information is good, but not as good as any human who has been doing this for years.

If AI can provide valid data about a match, it can be useful for us in analyzing further and finally making our own choices. I also don't like it when AI has to determine our choices because we ourselves have to determine what we want. But AI can provide a lot of information because of how AI works, which can find reliable sources faster that we can use as considerations.

If that's the case, I don't think we humans can give AI a choice because AI also has weaknesses that we don't know about. So we better just wait for the latest information from AI developers engaged in gambling.

[BobK71]

On the other side, Yup AI can provide the verdict but the accuracy still in question, that data and information from past games may be useful but the actual situation during the game will change the possible outcome, it's been added before that there are consideration like injuries and other types of possible reason to change the outcome.

Where AI didn't anticipate when providing the verdict and providing the possible outcome of the game that you pick.

I agree with this. While AI can predict the game's outcome, there's no guarantee that it will not be wrong because AIs are just relying on the past information and the information given to its system. The other aspect of researching isn't covered, therefore there's a chance that the relevant and updated news or the minor details are overlooked. Which in this case, it'll be a disadvantage since not every factor and angle are considered in decision making.

If you'll use an AI to predict a game's result, then you must be ready for whatever the outcome of your bet relied on it. For me, you should still do your very own in-depth research and analysis aside from consulting or following an AI prediction.

Normally that the information you put on robot, the robot can give you a result based on that information. Moreover, the robot can perform some advanced calculations based on the given data. However, it is not possible to get any results based on the information that he does not have. Moreover, gambling is not based on any information. By using AI someone can easily see the highlight the plus and minus aspects in gamble but predicting win or lose is never possible.

[lizarder]

AI cannot recover what is lacking in the questions it is asked to answer, it will only return whats on google pretty much.  Mild assistance in a basic way if you are rushed that could be helpful in bringing up past results for relevant judgement, some sites already provide this kind of info.   To actually decide for you I dont think it will improve except to remove the basis you might have in voting emotionally.

Artificial intelligence is usually only used for comparative data in making prediction decisions and that is usually what we do in football betting, artificial intelligence will follow the statistics of previous matches in providing predictive answers, but the level of accuracy is not always right. Gamblers can take samples for consideration from ChatGPT but research others have to be made for comparison and trusting it completely is not necessarily optimal.

The closest example is the result of the match between Liverpool vs Manchester United, predictions made by artificial intelligence are far from the final result of the match, so to answer the accuracy of predictions sometimes it is not always right.

[nullama]

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Artificial intelligence is usually only used for comparative data in making prediction decisions and that is usually what we do in football betting, artificial intelligence will follow the statistics of previous matches in providing predictive answers, but the level of accuracy is not always right. Gamblers can take samples for consideration from ChatGPT but research others have to be made for comparison and trusting it completely is not necessarily optimal.

The closest example is the result of the match between Liverpool vs Manchester United, predictions made by artificial intelligence are far from the final result of the match, so to answer the accuracy of predictions sometimes it is not always right.

It would be interesting to read any kind of paper comparing the predictive power of these new types of AI systems with traditional predictions.

I'm guessing the AI would potentially be better, but I'm not really sure. It's usually great a simpler things, but then it kinda degrades its performance.

At the end of the day it's all just math, and models.