[POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes

[nullama]

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if the calculations are made offline let's say and a human applies the bets without software then you simply can't
you could let's say ban softwares and automations but there's no way to ban like an adviser be it a human or an AI one, doesn't matter

You can always just get your information from a machine that is crunching the numbers somewhere.

It's hard to ban any kind of "enhanced play" if done subtlety 

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[OgNasty]

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if the calculations are made offline let's say and a human applies the bets without software then you simply can't
you could let's say ban softwares and automations but there's no way to ban like an adviser be it a human or an AI one, doesn't matter

You can always just get your information from a machine that is crunching the numbers somewhere.

It's hard to ban any kind of "enhanced play" if done subtlety 

Odds are odds and the bookmakers don’t care what you are using to place your bets. Most of the time they’re taking a cut win or lose, so they couldn’t care less if you found some secret to using AI to win every sporting bet you make. As the entity taking bets, they just want to see more volume. I wouldn’t be surprised if gambling sites starting implementing AI helpers to help build bets for customers in the future.

[nullama]

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Odds are odds and the bookmakers don’t care what you are using to place your bets. Most of the time they’re taking a cut win or lose, so they couldn’t care less if you found some secret to using AI to win every sporting bet you make. As the entity taking bets, they just want to see more volume. I wouldn’t be surprised if gambling sites starting implementing AI helpers to help build bets for customers in the future.

Counting cards at casinos gives you a better chance than not doing it, so it is actually banned at casinos.

If they see you doing it you will be escorted out. You still have less chances than the casino to win, but they don't like you to put yourself in a more favorable position compared to the average person.

The same would apply to using AI enhanced tech to place your bets I reckon.

[LUCKMCFLY]

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Well, I'm just saying this as a possible scenario of what can happen in the future, I think AI things are not developed yet, but in the future they will be, and if quantum computing isn't there, so when? comes out It won't be as advanced as many think, but in the not too distant future when Quantum Computing is a powerhouse along with AI, I think a Randomness-based algorithm like Provably Fair will be easy to read and predict its likely moves. with more ease, randomness is a pretty hard thing to predict, but for these advanced things in the future, it will be a piece of cake.

Well, I'm just saying that the sunsets will be like this and we can't Deny the future, how many thought that AI was just science fiction and that it wasn't going to come stomping like it is now, many believed that the future was not going to come close to something like that, but we already see that these things have come true, and what is missing is much more, it may be in a few years, but it will come, to be honest I thought that for this year things would be much more advanced, but so far they are using an AI that is in Beta mode , I am sure that in other Areas it is much more advanced , let's wait and see, we have to let ourselves be surprised.

Getting quantum random numbers is already old technology.

Back in 2020 Samsung release the Quantum A phone, with a quantum random number generation chipset inside.

“When a user of Galaxy A Quantum sets biometric authentication with ‘SKT 5GX Quantum’ in the SK Pay app, you can see the message ‘SK Pay is protected with SKT 5GX Quantum’ at the top of the smartphone screen when using the app,” the Korean carrier explains, adding that online payments backed by quantum security are coming soon.

In 2021 they released a new version:

Samsung and South Korean carrier SK Telecom have announced the Galaxy Quantum 2, Samsung’s second phone that features built-in quantum cryptography technology for increased security. It’s the follow-up to last year’s Galaxy A Quantum.

And in these 2 years more advances have been made. It's already years old tech.

Thank you very much for bringing it, what happens is that I name quantum technology because I know that combined with AI it can give very good results, they have not yet released the first version of a quantum PC, at that moment I don't think it will win if the blockchain system does not beat a casino system by any means, but in the end I know that more advances can be made, for now things are pure fashion towards AI, and everything is for AI, but you cannot give details about the AI that is advanced, on the contrary it is in beta mode, which means that there is so much to correct that an AI cannot defeat any system, in theory it can, another thing is practice.

According to what I have read about Chatgpt-4, it takes data from the web, I don't know how to filter the data and make it credible and reliable, it could be that it has many verification algorithms, but even so I think it is still very unstable, not to predict, or maybe if and that functionality is not available, then maybe not now, but I know that in the future AI will be one of the tools to be careful, and even afraid, because the epr You will be happy with how fair they can be, especially when it comes to choosing a ruler , because as an AI it can become so impartial and fair , it could be considered right? But of course I think I'm getting too far ahead of myself , things in casinos with AI are not Completely perfect for now , a lot of development is Needed.

[nullama]

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Thank you very much for bringing it, what happens is that I name quantum technology because I know that combined with AI it can give very good results, they have not yet released the first version of a quantum PC, at that moment I don't think it will win if the blockchain system does not beat a casino system by any means, but in the end I know that more advances can be made, for now things are pure fashion towards AI, and everything is for AI, but you cannot give details about the AI that is advanced, on the contrary it is in beta mode, which means that there is so much to correct that an AI cannot defeat any system, in theory it can, another thing is practice.

According to what I have read about Chatgpt-4, it takes data from the web, I don't know how to filter the data and make it credible and reliable, it could be that it has many verification algorithms, but even so I think it is still very unstable, not to predict, or maybe if and that functionality is not available, then maybe not now, but I know that in the future AI will be one of the tools to be careful, and even afraid, because the epr You will be happy with how fair they can be, especially when it comes to choosing a ruler , because as an AI it can become so impartial and fair , it could be considered right? But of course I think I'm getting too far ahead of myself , things in casinos with AI are not Completely perfect for now , a lot of development is Needed.

Quantum computers are getting really close.

Australia is doing a lot in that space lately, this is from January 19, 2023:

Australian engineers have discovered a new way of precisely controlling single electrons nestled in quantum dots that run logic gates. What’s more, the new mechanism is less bulky and requires fewer parts, which could prove essential to making large-scale silicon quantum computers a reality.

“This is a gem of new mechanism, which just adds to the trove of proprietary technology we’ve developed over the past 20 years of research,” said Prof Andrew Dzurak, CEO and Founder of Diraq, and a Professor in Quantum Engineering at UNSW, who led the team that built the first quantum logic gate in silicon in 2015.

Of course they want to sell their thing, but real advances are being made, faster and faster, specially in the last few years.

[Betwrong]

~ Personally I think that if at some point a gambler develops an AI like this and eventually they get banned by casinos due to the edge they get, eventually this software may make it to the hands of gamblers all over the world, and if that is the case then you will find yourself at a massive disadvantage, compared to those which are willing to use such tool.

How can you ban something like this? Although, maybe we see how to use AI to predict outcomes differently? I see it like this. You promt it to search for the needed info, like injuries of the main players, health and legal issues, their probable replacement, everything that affect the outcome of the game, and then you ask whether making a bet with a certain odds makes sense, right? And you either accept its advice or you don't. How can you ban such an adviser?

In this matter, I mean if you'll going to use the power of AI in this manner then there's no way that it will be ban, and probably this is a good use of an AI system requesting access or information with the details regarding to what are the current stats and the injury list of certain teams or what are the information regarding the overall performances of each individual or players that you are aiming to place your bet.

And on that last note regarding to whether to follow the recommendation or not, it's still you that in control so there's nothing that I can see that it will be ban, still human knowledge but with the help of AI to provide additional information.

That's how we use advanced technological tools: we must always have the last word, right? The machines can help us, but we should never rely on them completely.

~ I see it like this. You promt it to search for the needed info, like injuries of the main players, health and legal issues, their probable replacement, everything that affect the outcome of the game, and then you ask whether making a bet with a certain odds makes sense, right? And you either accept its advice or you don't. How can you ban such an adviser?

While on the surface it may seem that it is impossible to catch a gambler making use of such technology, I have no doubts casinos could develop a way to do so.

For example they have the data of tens of thousands of users on their servers, then they could develop a statistical model which indicates which users are not using such tool and which users are suspicious of doing so, and we have something similar to this already, when ChatGPT was developed many feared that students will cheat to write their reports, but soon enough tools were developed to catch the cheaters, and I suppose a similar tool could be developed for a gambling AI.

Submitting a text written by AI and using AI to help you decide whether to bet with particular odds or not are two different things. In the case of sports betting you don't have to provide the description of the process or something like that, you just make your bet, that's all. There's basically nothing to analyze except the size of your bet and the result. The tool you are talking about is impossible to make, imo. But that's not even the point. In sports betting it is not forbidden to use an advice from your friend, right? And I don't see how it's different from the advice from AI.

[Fredomago]

~ Personally I think that if at some point a gambler develops an AI like this and eventually they get banned by casinos due to the edge they get, eventually this software may make it to the hands of gamblers all over the world, and if that is the case then you will find yourself at a massive disadvantage, compared to those which are willing to use such tool.

How can you ban something like this? Although, maybe we see how to use AI to predict outcomes differently? I see it like this. You promt it to search for the needed info, like injuries of the main players, health and legal issues, their probable replacement, everything that affect the outcome of the game, and then you ask whether making a bet with a certain odds makes sense, right? And you either accept its advice or you don't. How can you ban such an adviser?

In this matter, I mean if you'll going to use the power of AI in this manner then there's no way that it will be ban, and probably this is a good use of an AI system requesting access or information with the details regarding to what are the current stats and the injury list of certain teams or what are the information regarding the overall performances of each individual or players that you are aiming to place your bet.

And on that last note regarding to whether to follow the recommendation or not, it's still you that in control so there's nothing that I can see that it will be ban, still human knowledge but with the help of AI to provide additional information.

That's how we use advanced technological tools: we must always have the last word, right? The machines can help us, but we should never rely on them completely.

Correct, you can use it as a basis but the final decision should always be depending with how you understand the advantages and the chances that it will going to work and it will give you a better outcome, that should be it on how we look from what the technology is offering.

Submitting a text written by AI and using AI to help you decide whether to bet with particular odds or not are two different things. In the case of sports betting you don't have to provide the description of the process or something like that, you just make your bet, that's all. There's basically nothing to analyze except the size of your bet and the result. The tool you are talking about is impossible to make, imo. But that's not even the point. In sports betting it is not forbidden to use an advice from your friend, right? And I don't see how it's different from the advice from AI.

Good comparison, you are using AI to confirm what you think is better with your possible pick, same with asking for additional insight with a friend, but the final decision will remain depends on how you take it and how you choose which team or player to bet on, still all on you to finalize your bet.

[Lucasgabd]

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Odds are odds and the bookmakers don’t care what you are using to place your bets. Most of the time they’re taking a cut win or lose, so they couldn’t care less if you found some secret to using AI to win every sporting bet you make. As the entity taking bets, they just want to see more volume. I wouldn’t be surprised if gambling sites starting implementing AI helpers to help build bets for customers in the future.

Counting cards at casinos gives you a better chance than not doing it, so it is actually banned at casinos.

If they see you doing it you will be escorted out. You still have less chances than the casino to win, but they don't like you to put yourself in a more favorable position compared to the average person.

The same would apply to using AI enhanced tech to place your bets I reckon.

what if there's a way to count cards that is undetectable?
have you heard of this memorization technique called memory palace?
if a person can remember a full deck of cards in less than a minute they can probably count cards and memorize it without being detected...

[nullama]

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what if there's a way to count cards that is undetectable?
have you heard of this memorization technique called memory palace?
if a person can remember a full deck of cards in less than a minute they can probably count cards and memorize it without being detected...

Yeah, I've heard about the memory palace, it's basically something like remembering things through association, so you remember one thing, that then triggers the memory of another thing, etc, until you remember the thing you wanted to get in the first place, or something like that. Seems to be very effective it seems.

I reckon casinos will just notice someone is winning more than the average and they will have a look on them. I think they can kick you out for no reason, although I might be wrong there.

[Betwrong]

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That's how we use advanced technological tools: we must always have the last word, right? The machines can help us, but we should never rely on them completely.

Correct, you can use it as a basis but the final decision should always be depending with how you understand the advantages and the chances that it will going to work and it will give you a better outcome, that should be it on how we look from what the technology is offering.

This is very important, "a better outcome". I too believe in this. Using only AI and trust it blindly will hardly give us good outcomes. But if we use it as our little helper, it can.

Submitting a text written by AI and using AI to help you decide whether to bet with particular odds or not are two different things. In the case of sports betting you don't have to provide the description of the process or something like that, you just make your bet, that's all. There's basically nothing to analyze except the size of your bet and the result. The tool you are talking about is impossible to make, imo. But that's not even the point. In sports betting it is not forbidden to use an advice from your friend, right? And I don't see how it's different from the advice from AI.

Good comparison, you are using AI to confirm what you think is better with your possible pick, same with asking for additional insight with a friend, but the final decision will remain depends on how you take it and how you choose which team or player to bet on, still all on you to finalize your bet.

Thank you. I mean, we should understand that using the help of anyone, like a friend, or anything, like AI, is not forbidden by sports betting sites. You can use all the help in the world for making your bets more profitable and sports betting platforms have nothing against it at all.

[Lucasgabd]

Many casino games, such as roulette, blackjack or slot machines, are built on a mathematical model known as 'casino advantage'. And there is no way to overcome it. That's why casinos always have an advantage over players. Even the most advanced artificial intelligence algorithms cannot change this basis. Casino winning is based on luck and probability. So the use of AI cannot guarantee consistent gambling profits.

exactly
the house has everything programmed to maitain their edge
in the long run it will always win
though some gamblers can be lucky and win in the short term
knowing to leave after a big win is a must if you want to keep the money you earned.

[nullama]

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exactly
the house has everything programmed to maitain their edge
in the long run it will always win
though some gamblers can be lucky and win in the short term
knowing to leave after a big win is a must if you want to keep the money you earned.

It actually goes beyond simply leaving when you win big. You need to literally stop gambling ever again, otherwise you will go back another day and lose all the gains you have made in the past.

[Betwrong]

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exactly
the house has everything programmed to maitain their edge
in the long run it will always win
though some gamblers can be lucky and win in the short term
knowing to leave after a big win is a must if you want to keep the money you earned.

It actually goes beyond simply leaving when you win big. You need to literally stop gambling ever again, otherwise you will go back another day and lose all the gains you have made in the past.

But guys! Let's think about that "evil" algorithm for a moment. What is it doing exactly? Is it programmed to make you, or anyone of us in particular, to necessarily lose in the long run? Why would it need that? Isn't the goal to make the casino win? Then it shouldn't care about a particular player being in profit in the long run. The only thing the algorithm should care about is that all the players combined were losing the amount equal to the house edge to the house.

I don't want to look smug or something, like I know everything. It's just my opinion. Please, share yours.

[nullama]

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But guys! Let's think about that "evil" algorithm for a moment. What is it doing exactly? Is it programmed to make you, or anyone of us in particular, to necessarily lose in the long run? Why would it need that? Isn't the goal to make the casino win? Then it shouldn't care about a particular player being in profit in the long run. The only thing the algorithm should care about is that all the players combined were losing the amount equal to the house edge to the house.

I don't want to look smug or something, like I know everything. It's just my opinion. Please, share yours.

It's quite simple really, every single bet you make against the casino has an advantage to the casino, because they get to set the odds, payouts, etc.

So, if you really remove all the lights, sounds, marketing, etc, all you have left is simply games where the casino has the upper hand.

For example, if they had a coin toss game, they would keep tossing a coin, and pay you, say, 80 cents per dollar you bet when you win. And when you lose, they keep that full dollar.

You can see that sometimes you'll win those 80 cents, and sometimes you'll lose your whole dollar. If you keep doing it, you'll lose all your money. It's just math.

Of course the casino games are more complex, and they try to make it look like you have a chance. For example, in roulette you have a payout that is 1 to 1, but then you have the 0, and the 00, which basically means you lose more times than you win, effectively making it more like the 80c to a dollar payout, but not that evident.

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exactly
the house has everything programmed to maitain their edge
in the long run it will always win
though some gamblers can be lucky and win in the short term
knowing to leave after a big win is a must if you want to keep the money you earned.

It actually goes beyond simply leaving when you win big. You need to literally stop gambling ever again, otherwise you will go back another day and lose all the gains you have made in the past.

exactly! if a successful gambler uses artificial intelligence to win large amounts of gambling he must immediately stop gambling, it does not mean just stop temporarily because if he stops within a week its same as spending a lot of money again and on the one hand if he returns to gambling using artificial intelligence like AI it will be very dangerous because the casino system usually has given a warning flag to the account and if it is done again the risk of the account being banned is very possible.

[nullama]

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exactly! if a successful gambler uses artificial intelligence to win large amounts of gambling he must immediately stop gambling, it does not mean just stop temporarily because if he stops within a week its same as spending a lot of money again and on the one hand if he returns to gambling using artificial intelligence like AI it will be very dangerous because the casino system usually has given a warning flag to the account and if it is done again the risk of the account being banned is very possible.

Yeah, that's also a fair point.

If you win big at a casino, they won't be happy about it of course. They might be quick to send you free drinks and food and celebrate with you, etc, so that you stay there longer and give them their money back.

But if you simply get out, as you should, then they will probably put a mark on you, and when you come back they will be looking very carefully at you.

[Fredomago]

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exactly! if a successful gambler uses artificial intelligence to win large amounts of gambling he must immediately stop gambling, it does not mean just stop temporarily because if he stops within a week its same as spending a lot of money again and on the one hand if he returns to gambling using artificial intelligence like AI it will be very dangerous because the casino system usually has given a warning flag to the account and if it is done again the risk of the account being banned is very possible.

Yeah, that's also a fair point.

If you win big at a casino, they won't be happy about it of course. They might be quick to send you free drinks and food and celebrate with you, etc, so that you stay there longer and give them their money back.

But if you simply get out, as you should, then they will probably put a mark on you, and when you come back they will be looking very carefully at you.

Good observation and that's reality, especially if they are seeing you being wise from time to time that you are playing. You can be tag and be watched out by the security personnel, monitoring you from each gambling event that you are participating. It's a tough one to counter as you needed to chill some days in order not to be remembered or for your safety better to keep yourself away from the limelight and just enjoy yourself playing.

Just don't make a good reason for the casino to suspect you and mark you in each time you play and bet inside the house.

[Oasisman]

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exactly! if a successful gambler uses artificial intelligence to win large amounts of gambling he must immediately stop gambling, it does not mean just stop temporarily because if he stops within a week its same as spending a lot of money again and on the one hand if he returns to gambling using artificial intelligence like AI it will be very dangerous because the casino system usually has given a warning flag to the account and if it is done again the risk of the account being banned is very possible.

Yeah, that's also a fair point.

If you win big at a casino, they won't be happy about it of course. They might be quick to send you free drinks and food and celebrate with you, etc, so that you stay there longer and give them their money back.

But if you simply get out, as you should, then they will probably put a mark on you, and when you come back they will be looking very carefully at you.

Good observation and that's reality, especially if they are seeing you being wise from time to time that you are playing. You can be tag and be watched out by the security personnel, monitoring you from each gambling event that you are participating. It's a tough one to counter as you needed to chill some days in order not to be remembered or for your safety better to keep yourself away from the limelight and just enjoy yourself playing.

Just don't make a good reason for the casino to suspect you and mark you in each time you play and bet inside the house.

Is this really happening in real life? I have not been in a bigger casino that monitors their clients every now and then, but I think what you guys have mentioned are a bit exaggerated (I'm not sure about it though). I've seen a lot of these scenarios in the movies, but in the real life casinos, I don't think the casino will closely monitor you if you win big after they check on you on something suspicious (like altering the machine), but if they don't find any I don't think there's something you will be afraid of. Closely monitoring you client will give them an uncomfortable gambling experience and any casino owner doesn't want to lose a valuable client. Those who win big are most probably wage big as well - so that's what made them valuable client.

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Good observation and that's reality, especially if they are seeing you being wise from time to time that you are playing. You can be tag and be watched out by the security personnel, monitoring you from each gambling event that you are participating. It's a tough one to counter as you needed to chill some days in order not to be remembered or for your safety better to keep yourself away from the limelight and just enjoy yourself playing.

Just don't make a good reason for the casino to suspect you and mark you in each time you play and bet inside the house.

Is this really happening in real life? I have not been in a bigger casino that monitors their clients every now and then, but I think what you guys have mentioned are a bit exaggerated (I'm not sure about it though). I've seen a lot of these scenarios in the movies, but in the real life casinos, I don't think the casino will closely monitor you if you win big after they check on you on something suspicious (like altering the machine), but if they don't find any I don't think there's something you will be afraid of. Closely monitoring you client will give them an uncomfortable gambling experience and any casino owner doesn't want to lose a valuable client. Those who win big are most probably wage big as well - so that's what made them valuable client.

it really sucks if we bet or gamble we have to be monitored by the system and there is no other choice but to choose the option of not using artificial intelligence to bet. even if we bet on gambling, we need comfort without feeling anxious and when that happens, of course we won't focus on betting. IMO, it would be better to bet simply without using AI than having to be watched over every one of my betting sessions and when Im lucky to get a win and want to withdraw the money it becomes a problem.

@Oasisman this is not about exaggerating but lets see how many people complain on the reputation board saying accounts are banned and winnings confiscated by the casino on suspicion of cheating. well, this is one that we fear if one day it happens so its better not to use artificial intelligence to bet and choose to gamble simply without any help rather than having to take risks when luck comes to give big wins but it becomes a complicated problem when you want to withdraw money.

[Lucasgabd]

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exactly
the house has everything programmed to maitain their edge
in the long run it will always win
though some gamblers can be lucky and win in the short term
knowing to leave after a big win is a must if you want to keep the money you earned.

It actually goes beyond simply leaving when you win big. You need to literally stop gambling ever again, otherwise you will go back another day and lose all the gains you have made in the past.

regression to the mean
you are right.
but what about small wins? would you stop forever after a small win or keep going until you hit the jackpot?

in the end of the day seems like the best way is opening a casino not playing in one.