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August 06, 2014, 05:11:23 AM
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Are you guys sure? Or just positive? Because I am so close to unload my stash...

care to share how much it would be?  Smiley

It really isnt much to make a difference in the market if thats what you mean. I am poor Smiley

i think alot of people are waiting on the sidelines right now to see where vericoin is heading.
i dont think the coin is anywhere near dead with the amounts of coins staking right now.
we could see a upwards trend really soon imo.  Wink

but still before that we could lose further 20-30% or even more in a panic.

The road map was needed and a good choise.
We need an overview were the coin is heading and what is up next. It would be nice if the charts would be updated regularly.

But in the end it's all over the same bubble-gum people don't really want to chew anymore.


I am going through the road map to add some comments (it's all just my opinion) starting with weak points going to the important.

1.) New Wallet UI -
iOS Wallet     -> Don't get me wrong it's nice to have pretty and simple working wallets for iOS / android / windows and so on. The problem is, we don't really need them currently. There is simply no use for it. It's more like a waste of time for now.

2.) Multipool Update -> actually creates value for the coin itself. But the multipool is working + there many other multipools

3.) Improved Fiat Purchasing Wallet Integration -> It's just link to an exchange. We have enough exchanges and ways to get VRC currently.

4.) Decentralized ANON -> it's good to have this and a great selling slogan. VRC should have an anon option for sure. But why reinvent the wheel? Take look at DRK they are working hard on Darksend+ and on top it's the only thing they are developing and it still takes months for them to get it right. Since this is not one of the main reasons people are interested in the coin, let it rest and just grab any successful open source anon and implement it.

from here on the better and more important things beginn:

5.) Decentralized Usernames -> interesting and unique. But don't know what it would give me in the end.

6.) New Vericoin Website 95% (already? Wow!) - This will most likely not make the coin itself more valueable in the  short/mid term. But if you guys are able to create unique website with reasons to take a look at more often or even a section for total noobs. Also translation in various langues would be amazing. People will help with that for sure. We should collect tips to get them a small donation for the efford.
The Website could get a great source for new users. Ideas here : Online Wallets which are storing the encrypted wallet online (like Blokchain.info does), direct link to the IRC implement the Road map as a dynamic chart, regular news feeds and so on.

7.) VeriBank - > We would need more data about that. For sure a ticking bomb. I would suggest get it just focus on one Country so we can see how it goes and spread from there. I would suggest get in contact with the german "Fidor Bank" since they are already involved with Kraken.com and also are an online Bank using "Peer-to-Peer-Banking".


By far the most potential:
10.Decentralized Exchange -> Thiis should be the main Focus. Really. There several dev. teams working on solutions for anon/decen exchanges. The first working decen. altcoin-exchange that is bounded to the Blockchain of VRC could make the value of VRC explode and also potentially overtake LTC very rapidly. Remember why DRK is still so big? Yes because they were the first coin with a working anon and on top the first coin with x11. Vericoin needs to achieve the same by beeing the first (also working ofc) of something big and important. Anon sending had it's time and can still be improved ofc. but in the end the run is over.


Finally:
I would suggest to focus everything on the Exchange curently. I am not up to date how you guys want the exchange to work but I would love to see:

++bounded to the blockchain
+++Maybe even change the blockchain so we can get a 2.0 blockchain which can even implement smart contracts and other amazing things.
++Altcoins + other goods tradeable (contracts, betting and so on)
++ Accesable over the internetbrowser.


As an Idea:

Since I know this is so way too much to be expected to ever happen by the VRC deve team I would suggest we open a foundation to directly invest into the exchange development by hiring / finding volunteers to speed up the process and get a great p2p exchange opened and make this hole thing blow up.

After this we can focus on Veribank and Marketing. But Untill VRC can't show anything super special Marketing and beauty shouldn't be a focus point.


Just my 50 VRC.

I couldn't agree more. People are jumping here and celebrating what a great road map we have but that is a fucking joke. I have been moaning here for weeks that features like FIAT wallet, meaningless wallet improvements and complementary functions like VeriBit, Verisend etc. simply don't matter. What matters is the integration of a blockchain 2 technology into VeriCoin. Again, it is easier to say than get it done, but there are lots of materials out there like bitcoin's raw transaction using the OP_RETURN output, CounterParty, Ripple, Skycoin and of course Ethereum to study what others do which should be the starting point of any sensible development process (except if you were Steve Jobs and building something that never existed before).

Implementation wise and about possible blockchain 2 use cases, I wouldn't bother with a decentralized exchange. The decentralized exchange in my opinion is based on the same flawed logic as the FIAT feature is - one assumes that the feature would be used just because it is there. Other issue with the decentralized exchange is that even it solves real life business problems, it won't necessarily generate more interests in VeriCoin. I think VeriCoin need a better use case than the decentralized exchange, something that would make VeriCoin more usable by solving some real life business issues.

So what would be that use case? If I would be the dev, I would implement a blockhain 2 based decentralized market place that supports smart contracts. Having and supporting smart contracts is obviously a must for any blockchain 2 based app and in the case of a decentralized market place app the smart contract would enable to perform escrow agreements. The blockhain 2 based decentralized market place would integrate VeriCoin as a trading currency. Such decentralized market place would create interest in the coin as people would actually need VeriCoin to trade goods. Plus the decentralized market place would be a great show case for the vericoin specific blockhain 2 technology.

Your suggestion about the foundation is also a very good idea. Let see what the devs think about the whole thing.
 
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August 06, 2014, 05:31:04 AM
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Are you guys sure? Or just positive? Because I am so close to unload my stash...

care to share how much it would be?  Smiley

It really isnt much to make a difference in the market if thats what you mean. I am poor Smiley

i think alot of people are waiting on the sidelines right now to see where vericoin is heading.
i dont think the coin is anywhere near dead with the amounts of coins staking right now.
we could see a upwards trend really soon imo.  Wink

but still before that we could lose further 20-30% or even more in a panic.

The road map was needed and a good choise.
We need an overview were the coin is heading and what is up next. It would be nice if the charts would be updated regularly.

But in the end it's all over the same bubble-gum people don't really want to chew anymore.


I am going through the road map to add some comments (it's all just my opinion) starting with weak points going to the important.

1.) New Wallet UI -
iOS Wallet     -> Don't get me wrong it's nice to have pretty and simple working wallets for iOS / android / windows and so on. The problem is, we don't really need them currently. There is simply no use for it. It's more like a waste of time for now.

2.) Multipool Update -> actually creates value for the coin itself. But the multipool is working + there many other multipools

3.) Improved Fiat Purchasing Wallet Integration -> It's just link to an exchange. We have enough exchanges and ways to get VRC currently.

4.) Decentralized ANON -> it's good to have this and a great selling slogan. VRC should have an anon option for sure. But why reinvent the wheel? Take look at DRK they are working hard on Darksend+ and on top it's the only thing they are developing and it still takes months for them to get it right. Since this is not one of the main reasons people are interested in the coin, let it rest and just grab any successful open source anon and implement it.

from here on the better and more important things beginn:

5.) Decentralized Usernames -> interesting and unique. But don't know what it would give me in the end.

6.) New Vericoin Website 95% (already? Wow!) - This will most likely not make the coin itself more valueable in the  short/mid term. But if you guys are able to create unique website with reasons to take a look at more often or even a section for total noobs. Also translation in various langues would be amazing. People will help with that for sure. We should collect tips to get them a small donation for the efford.
The Website could get a great source for new users. Ideas here : Online Wallets which are storing the encrypted wallet online (like Blokchain.info does), direct link to the IRC implement the Road map as a dynamic chart, regular news feeds and so on.

7.) VeriBank - > We would need more data about that. For sure a ticking bomb. I would suggest get it just focus on one Country so we can see how it goes and spread from there. I would suggest get in contact with the german "Fidor Bank" since they are already involved with Kraken.com and also are an online Bank using "Peer-to-Peer-Banking".


By far the most potential:
10.Decentralized Exchange -> Thiis should be the main Focus. Really. There several dev. teams working on solutions for anon/decen exchanges. The first working decen. altcoin-exchange that is bounded to the Blockchain of VRC could make the value of VRC explode and also potentially overtake LTC very rapidly. Remember why DRK is still so big? Yes because they were the first coin with a working anon and on top the first coin with x11. Vericoin needs to achieve the same by beeing the first (also working ofc) of something big and important. Anon sending had it's time and can still be improved ofc. but in the end the run is over.


Finally:
I would suggest to focus everything on the Exchange curently. I am not up to date how you guys want the exchange to work but I would love to see:

++bounded to the blockchain
+++Maybe even change the blockchain so we can get a 2.0 blockchain which can even implement smart contracts and other amazing things.
++Altcoins + other goods tradeable (contracts, betting and so on)
++ Accesable over the internetbrowser.


As an Idea:

Since I know this is so way too much to be expected to ever happen by the VRC deve team I would suggest we open a foundation to directly invest into the exchange development by hiring / finding volunteers to speed up the process and get a great p2p exchange opened and make this hole thing blow up.

After this we can focus on Veribank and Marketing. But Untill VRC can't show anything super special Marketing and beauty shouldn't be a focus point.


Just my 50 VRC.

I couldn't agree more. People are jumping here and celebrating what a great road map we have but that is a fucking joke. I have been moaning here for weeks that features like FIAT wallet, meaningless wallet improvements and complementary functions like VeriBit, Verisend etc. simply don't matter. What matters is the integration of a blockchain 2 technology into VeriCoin. Again, it is easier to say than get it done, but there are lots of materials out there like bitcoin's raw transaction using the OP_RETURN output, CounterParty, Ripple, Skycoin and of course Ethereum to study what others do which should be the starting point of any sensible development process (except if you were Steve Jobs and building something that never existed before).

Implementation wise and about possible blockchain 2 use cases, I wouldn't bother with a decentralized exchange. The decentralized exchange in my opinion is based on the same flawed logic as the FIAT feature is - one assumes that the feature would be used just because it is there. Other issue with the decentralized exchange is that even it solves real life business problems, it won't necessarily generate more interests in VeriCoin. I think VeriCoin need a better use case than the decentralized exchange, something that would make VeriCoin more usable by solving some real life business issues.

So what would be that use case? If I would be the dev, I would implement a blockhain 2 based decentralized market place that supports smart contracts. Having and supporting smart contracts is obviously a must for any blockchain 2 based app and in the case of a decentralized market place app the smart contract would enable to perform escrow agreements. The blockhain 2 based decentralized market place would integrate VeriCoin as a trading currency. Such decentralized market place would create interest in the coin as people would actually need VeriCoin to trade goods. Plus the decentralized market place would be a great show case for the vericoin specific blockhain 2 technology.

Your suggestion about the foundation is also a very good idea. Let see what the devs think about the whole thing.
 


Who says the DEVs aren't looking at Blockchain 2.0 or something of their own creation ? (Wink wink)
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Aside: I have obviated the absurd post (as usual) of socal, because I don't want to repeat his nonsense again and again. I will say one last time that I believe, like many, that this guy is TOXIC to this coin in whatever next-to-the-dev-team capacity he chooses to position himself. He sells (for profit) silver VCR coins. That should be all. Any volunteerism on his part is detrimental. He's like a virulent chorus boy without any capacity whatsoever to carry any discussion, it's like a religious fanatic, on one side, and a violent maniac with a huge tin foil on another. Deadly mix no matter how restrained it must be at times. And dangerous and, I repeat, detrimental in ANY and all cases. Period.

Now on with the important matters: EXCHANGE

As in many other instances -like anonymity, for instance-, I believe it is quite distracting of time and resources for this project. Exchanges already exist. crypto ebay's wanna-be's various. Some with great platforms supporting them... ALL, no exception, are HUMONGOUS FAILURES. There's no money, nor advantages, to create yet another EXCHANGE. None. Unbreakable coin, the labur of love of Jim Blasko, has an excellent market exchange platform... that lacks both sellers and, above all, buyers. Next have probably the best, and same difference. Outside of the crypto community there are several also that accept payment only in BTC. All FAILURES. ok, SIMPLY PUT, THE COMMUNITY IS minuscule still to support a profitable -viable- exchange... not to mention that ebay without the buyer protection will not even exist at this point, imagine the level of fraud and deceit in a market exchange under these conditions. WORSE yet, even if those "problems" are "solved" somehow through escrows and what not -which couldn't work, no matter what, by the way-, imagine you are selling something for 5000 VRC today -at 12k sat when you listed it- and you wake up tomorrow to find that it has been indeed sold for 5000 VRC... only that those VRCs are now worth HALF what they were worth last night... an occurrence quite frequent, albeit some times the halving is surpassed and others it just gets on the way to it at different stages. Put it simply, the coins need STABILIZATION in price before any idea of exchange can even be entertained, let alone spend time and resources in developing it.

Now, to my most recnet knowledge, we still seem to be having serious problems with the most elemental tool: Wallets. Yes, plural. And including the Microsoft one.
Now, if our development team isn't capable of solving with some degree of brilliance this very basic problem -and haven't in weeks, many weeks- I believe we have a much more serious problem that it would to create an absurdly complicated and resources consuming EXCHANGE, don't you think. Is it any surprise that price is languishing given that we cannot apparently solve the most primal problems, problems every copy/paste hackjob out there DOESN'T have?

Lets keep the perspective on the basic, if you will, and let the "many great things coming" in the future. First, the solid basics. Then, build the best coin ever. It already has the best community and, perhaps -this is more doubtful every day that passes, obviously- the best dev team.

Lets build on that.

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It's nice to want things.

But these devs have serious day jobs, VRC is a side project to them. They don't have the time to create the best implementation of these ideas that you all have.

Some devs from other coins are working full time, churning out one after the other.

As for VRC... crickets. Socal had to show the roadmap himself because the devs seem busy with other things right now. I mean, just read their "team" link on the VRC web page:


Patrick:
"He is currently pursuing a dual PhD in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology as well as Computational Biology and Molecular Biophysics. He also runs a technology website, www.pnosker.com. Pat holds 3 US patents and is co-inventor of five more including one on influenza therapeutics along with Doug Pike."

Douglas:
"is currently pursuing a PhD at Rutgers University in Biomedical Engineering. His Computational Biophysics work includes being the lead developer of a novel protein design software library, as well as an author of numerous scientific publications. In addition to VeriCoin, Doug and Pat are co-inventors of a process to discover influenza therapeutics."

And David is a cubicle slave at microsoft.


To create a coin with future validity, you have to do it full time. But they're not going to push all that away for a side project which suffers from a tarnished image.

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Who says the DEVs aren't looking at Blockchain 2.0 or something of their own creation ? (Wink wink)

Thanks for the positive message LoL, but I think it was enough from the ridiculous hyping about how great this process is, this coin is steadily declining and lets remain realistic about the blockchain 2 feature.

We heard in the last hang out a week ago that the dev3 is very interested in blockchain 2. That's great but that's all vericoin have terms of blockchain 2. "Interested in the technology" - that's where vericoin is with the blockchain 2 development. In the meantime you can review Gavin Wood's cpp-ethereum source code and try out his fully operation blockchain 2 application, read Buterin's papers, read the white papers from Ripple and Skycoin and Viacoin hired Peter Todd. That's how far veicoin is from others in the blockchain 2 race, no wonder the market that lately only rewards blockchain 2 efforts is not interested in vericoin. I fully understand the devs are not in the position to compete with Ethereum, not even with Viacoin, but it would be nice to see some substance or hear about the plans at least.

Wizrig & the devs pulled off the hype & pump card already, in order to generate more interest in the coin the market need more than the usual hype bollocks, and it would be great some more sensible information about the blockchain 2 development, a lot more info what is in the road map.
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It's nice to want things.

But these devs have serious day jobs, VRC is a side project to them. They don't have the time to create the best implementation of these ideas that you all have.

Some devs from other coins are working full time, churning out one after the other.

As for VRC... crickets. Socal had to show the roadmap himself because the devs seem busy with other things right now. I mean, just read their "team" link on the VRC web page:


Patrick:
"He is currently pursuing a dual PhD in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology as well as Computational Biology and Molecular Biophysics. He also runs a technology website, www.pnosker.com. Pat holds 3 US patents and is co-inventor of five more including one on influenza therapeutics along with Doug Pike."

Douglas:
"is currently pursuing a PhD at Rutgers University in Biomedical Engineering. His Computational Biophysics work includes being the lead developer of a novel protein design software library, as well as an author of numerous scientific publications. In addition to VeriCoin, Doug and Pat are co-inventors of a process to discover influenza therapeutics."

And David is a cubicle slave at microsoft.


To create a coin with future validity, you have to do it full time. But they're not going to push all that away for a side project which suffers from a tarnished image.



Yes, that's absolutely true - that's why the hype creation must stop and better not to mislead people what the devs will deliver and where are they terms of the development of advanced features (like that according to the road map the blockchain 2 feature is at 35% completion which is a nonsense, I would be surprised if it is at 5% even if we are talking about a minimalistic blockchain 2 app).
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Hey guys I heard an idea earlier in here that I liked. Maybe the Devs need assistance with coding. how bout we do a startjoin or somethng along those lines to help them gain more of an advantage. We have a good community Barrabus pointed out earlier and it is 1 of our strong points. Maybe in the next video we can ask them if they need some assistance and see if we can find a skilled developer to help them short term such as a consultant. I dont know I like the Idea I would donate 100 dollars I dont have, I am sure we all are willing to pitch in to get this train full speed.

edit- P.S. I work in IT for a Fortune 30 company that uses in house developers to create proprietary software to run operations which gives them a competitive edge over the other companys distributing pharmaceuticals (yea I know I work for the devil) . Consultants are what they hire to bring in knowledge and speed to meet go-live goals. just saying
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As for VRC... crickets. Socal had to show the roadmap himself because the devs seem busy with other things right now. I mean, just read their "team" link on the VRC web page:


The devs have delegated a lot of tasks to "VeriLeaders". So, Socal and ScottAllyn have relieved the devs of this time consuming task by putting together a very polished Road Map of VeriCoin projects. (The status bars were my input.) It's a community, working together to ensure the success of the coin. The community is on IRC, VeriTalk.info, and this thread. Anyone reading this can help strengthen the community by contributing their expertise and talents. Otherwise, just stake your coins and strengthen the network. Or, if you have no coins, get off this thread and keep your thoughts to yourself.

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As for VRC... crickets. Socal had to show the roadmap himself because the devs seem busy with other things right now. I mean, just read their "team" link on the VRC web page:


The devs have delegated a lot of tasks to "VeriLeaders". So, Socal and ScottAllyn have relieved the devs of this time consuming task by putting together a very polished Road Map of VeriCoin projects. (The status bars were my input.) It's a community, working together to ensure the success of the coin. The community is on IRC, VeriTalk.info, and this thread. Anyone reading this can help strengthen the community by contributing their expertise and talents. Otherwise, just stake your coins and strengthen the network. Or, if you have no coins, get off this thread and keep your thoughts to yourself.



But you can't argue with the rest of my post, because it's hard to argue with the truth, so you pick on that one sentence.

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Hey guys I heard an idea earlier in here that I liked. Maybe the Devs need assistance with coding. how bout we do a startjoin or somethng along those lines to help them gain more of an advantage. We have a good community Barrabus pointed out earlier and it is 1 of our strong points. Maybe in the next video we can ask them if they need some assistance and see if we can find a skilled developer to help them short term such as a consultant. I dont know I like the Idea I would donate 100 dollars I dont have, I am sure we all are willing to pitch in to get this train full speed.

Software development doesn't work like that. Any software projects need a proper design as a start to specify the requirements, then developers need to work together to complete the coding and tests. The vericoin devs made clear that they are not going to talk about the features and details with the community and I am not sure if they would be interested in any inputs from other developers. I could be wrong, but it seems to me the attitude of the vericoin devs is like this is their coin and will develop what they think is the best, which is fair enough, no one can deny this is their coin.

As for the money, a developer who understand the bitcoin/litecoin blockchain, QT, PPKI cryptography, cross platform software development, etc. costs US$ 10-15K per month these days, so need to be realistic what the community can add to the project.
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Who says the DEVs aren't looking at Blockchain 2.0 or something of their own creation ? (Wink wink)

Thanks for the positive message LoL, but I think it was enough from the ridiculous hyping about how great this process is, this coin is steadily declining and lets remain realistic about the blockchain 2 feature.

We heard in the last hang out a week ago that the dev3 is very interested in blockchain 2. That's great but that's all vericoin have terms of blockchain 2. "Interested in the technology" - that's where vericoin is with the blockchain 2 development. In the meantime you can review Gavin Wood's cpp-ethereum source code and try out his fully operation blockchain 2 application, read Buterin's papers, read the white papers from Ripple and Skycoin and Viacoin hired Peter Todd. That's how far veicoin is from others in the blockchain 2 race, no wonder the market that lately only rewards blockchain 2 efforts is not interested in vericoin. I fully understand the devs are not in the position to compete with Ethereum, not even with Viacoin, but it would be nice to see some substance or hear about the plans at least.

Wizrig & the devs pulled off the hype & pump card already, in order to generate more interest in the coin the market need more than the usual hype bollocks, and some more sensible information about the blockchain 2 development what is in the road map.

While all you stated is very true -and I have pointed it out many times, while objectively looking at the entire project, along with the obvious shortcoming that the youth, on one side and therefore lack of experience, and the total absence of financial acumen, on the other, represent in this dev team-, the fact of the matter, lets not lose the perspective, is that this coin is no worse than any other, no matter which. Period. For now not much better than the best ones either. So, again, the assets are clear: Distribution is fair, dev team is honest, mostly capable and quite transparent -in spite of the shortcomings- and, above all, community is hugely strong. Those are the supports of a strong project. And the project IS strong, mind you. It is going -along with every other coin out there- through doldrums that have to do with macroeconomics of crypto, not with any serious problem -although those unresolved wallets are indeed a lag- with the coin or those in charge.

It is, really, quite simple: Momentum and swing players, are getting impatient and frustrated. Some gone for now. That, short term, is bad. Longer term, if you continue accumulating VRC, will be very good indeed. The impatient, the most impatient, will probably be out already and they will come back when the volume, the "action", comes back. Hitting new months lows seems to be doing the trick.
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Hey guys I heard an idea earlier in here that I liked. Maybe the Devs need assistance with coding. how bout we do a startjoin or somethng along those lines to help them gain more of an advantage. We have a good community Barrabus pointed out earlier and it is 1 of our strong points. Maybe in the next video we can ask them if they need some assistance and see if we can find a skilled developer to help them short term such as a consultant. I dont know I like the Idea I would donate 100 dollars I dont have, I am sure we all are willing to pitch in to get this train full speed.

Software development doesn't work like that. Any software projects need a proper design as a start to specify the requirements, then developers need to work together to complete the coding and tests. The vericoin devs made clear that they are not going to talk about the features and details with the community and I am not sure if they would be interested in any inputs from other developers. I could be wrong, but it seems to me the attitude of the vericoin devs is like this is their coin and will develop what they think is the best, which is fair enough, no one can deny this is their coin.

As for the money, a developer who understand the bitcoin/litecoin blockchain, QT, PPKI cryptography, cross platform software development, etc. costs US$ 10-15K per month these days, so need to be realistic what the community can add to the project.

Really software development does not work like that ? soooo design ... then code and test...maybe in a dv environment to py, to production....got it. Yes you are correct I do not know how it works, I mean who am I but a simple man.

You telling me that a company does not hire a specialist in rpg, another in php, another in java, another in jde, lisp, .net, or maybe some old school like data.net etc and many others with specific skill sets to accomplish goals ? They hire 1 guys that understand 5 skill-sets ? And when they find a weakness or lack of ability in 1 area they do not hire a consultant for a couple days to help in that 1 area of expertise ?

Interesting you seem to know exactly what it costs also. per month lol. (Its more expensive then that for most) you sure maybe not 2 hours of help or 2 day maybe only 2 weeks...
You are correct about 1 thing...... you could be wrong.
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August 06, 2014, 07:48:13 AM
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To My undying obsessor and Lifetime President of the Socal Fan Club:

lol more Barabbas love for me  Grin

It's interesting how he loves to try to bash me every chance he gets and yet I don't see him doing anything to help VRC, except maybe posting a few back-handed "supporting" posts that could also qualify for thinly veiled mockery, so what's your game plan buddy? Bash one of the most vocal supporters and one of the biggest volunteers for VRC? Ya GREAT strategy there hotshot! Not to mention your propensity for bi-polar FUD-to-support-to-FUD posts. I think your strange obsession with me is flattering, I really do, but I think they are starting to miss you at whatever Institution you came from.

Basically you have become a joke and your credibility is nil, and not only on this thread. Literally EVERY thread I have had the displeasure of running into you on, you quickly and firmly entrench yourself in the camp of bi-polar FUDster to outright lunatic, alienating EVERYONE in said thread. Where as I on the other hand actually contribute CONSTRUCTIVE input and WORK to help make things happen. And yet there you are, still posting your half-coherent, bi-polar (see the pattern?) venom. I guess this is one of those weird things where the psychopath kills the object of his obsession because he loves it so much. I guess you just love me so damn much and want to be me so damn bad that you feel the compulsive need to "kill" my virtual presence here. Too bad you won't.

So please keep mentioning my name, I love the publicity and the chance to (once again) put you in your place (now only if you would stay there) and I take great pleasure in proving you wrong time and time again.

With all my pity,

William "Socal" Sedlak
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August 06, 2014, 07:54:39 AM
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Hey guys I heard an idea earlier in here that I liked. Maybe the Devs need assistance with coding. how bout we do a startjoin or somethng along those lines to help them gain more of an advantage. We have a good community Barrabus pointed out earlier and it is 1 of our strong points. Maybe in the next video we can ask them if they need some assistance and see if we can find a skilled developer to help them short term such as a consultant. I dont know I like the Idea I would donate 100 dollars I dont have, I am sure we all are willing to pitch in to get this train full speed.

Software development doesn't work like that. Any software projects need a proper design as a start to specify the requirements, then developers need to work together to complete the coding and tests. The vericoin devs made clear that they are not going to talk about the features and details with the community and I am not sure if they would be interested in any inputs from other developers. I could be wrong, but it seems to me the attitude of the vericoin devs is like this is their coin and will develop what they think is the best, which is fair enough, no one can deny this is their coin.

As for the money, a developer who understand the bitcoin/litecoin blockchain, QT, PPKI cryptography, cross platform software development, etc. costs US$ 10-15K per month these days, so need to be realistic what the community can add to the project.

Really software development does not work like that ? soooo design ... then code and test...maybe in a dv environment to py, to production....got it. Yes you are correct I do not know how it works, I mean who am I but a simple man.

You telling me that a company does not hire a specialist in rpg, another in php, another in java, another in jde, lisp, .net, or maybe some old school like data.net etc and many others with specific skill sets to accomplish goals ? They hire 1 guys that understand 5 skill-sets ? And when they find a weakness or lack of ability in 1 area they do not hire a consultant for a couple days to help in that 1 area of expertise ?

Interesting you seem to know exactly what it costs also. per month lol. (Its more expensive then that for most) you sure maybe not 2 hours of help of 2 day maybe only 2 weeks...
You are correct about 1 thing...... you could be wrong.

I don't think your analogy about software development within an enterprise is relevant in the context of an altcoin project. I mean they are just two very different ball games. Digital currency projects are very rarely in the position to hire so many developers and consultants that you have suggested. That's simply not feasible that this project could hire a C++ guy who understand the business logic of a digital currency app, a developer that understand PPKI cryptography in implementation level, a QT guy for the UI development, another guy for QA, etc. so I am not sure why are you talking about that.

Anyway, I could be very wrong, I have been doing software development for very long and messing it up time to time, so if you do the opposite what I suggest then you could be on on right track :-)))
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August 06, 2014, 08:05:55 AM
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Who says the DEVs aren't looking at Blockchain 2.0 or something of their own creation ? (Wink wink)

Thanks for the positive message LoL, but I think it was enough from the ridiculous hyping about how great this process is, this coin is steadily declining and lets remain realistic about the blockchain 2 feature.

We heard in the last hang out a week ago that the dev3 is very interested in blockchain 2. That's great but that's all vericoin have terms of blockchain 2. "Interested in the technology" - that's where vericoin is with the blockchain 2 development. In the meantime you can review Gavin Wood's cpp-ethereum source code and try out his fully operation blockchain 2 application, read Buterin's papers, read the white papers from Ripple and Skycoin and Viacoin hired Peter Todd. That's how far veicoin is from others in the blockchain 2 race, no wonder the market that lately only rewards blockchain 2 efforts is not interested in vericoin. I fully understand the devs are not in the position to compete with Ethereum, not even with Viacoin, but it would be nice to see some substance or hear about the plans at least.

Wizrig & the devs pulled off the hype & pump card already, in order to generate more interest in the coin the market need more than the usual hype bollocks, and some more sensible information about the blockchain 2 development what is in the road map.

While all you stated is very true -and I have pointed it out many times, while objectively looking at the entire project, along with the obvious shortcoming that the youth, on one side and therefore lack of experience, and the total absence of financial acumen, on the other, represent in this dev team-, the fact of the matter, lets not lose the perspective, is that this coin is no worse than any other, no matter which. Period. For now not much better than the best ones either. So, again, the assets are clear: Distribution is fair, dev team is honest, mostly capable and quite transparent -in spite of the shortcomings- and, above all, community is hugely strong. Those are the supports of a strong project. And the project IS strong, mind you. It is going -along with every other coin out there- through doldrums that have to do with macroeconomics of crypto, not with any serious problem -although those unresolved wallets are indeed a lag- with the coin or those in charge.

It is, really, quite simple: Momentum and swing players, are getting impatient and frustrated. Some gone for now. That, short term, is bad. Longer term, if you continue accumulating VRC, will be very good indeed. The impatient, the most impatient, will probably be out already and they will come back when the volume, the "action", comes back. Hitting new months lows seems to be doing the trick.

I think you are absolutely right that the VeriCoin devs are great, I think they are in the top 1% of the altcoin devs, the team is transparent and it seems they are really nice, honest guys with the arrogance of youth as you said and I guess you are right about that too, but all together the foundation of the coin is great, a lot better than most of the coins. The problem is this altcoin environment is getting more competitive and only the best will survive. What I a wondering here is mainly about the implementation, but yeah, the devs are not full time in this. We just have to either
a) wait and see what is happening or
b) put together a 60-80K development fund and help the devs to speed up the process
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August 06, 2014, 08:06:41 AM
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altcoinUK I see you on here posting all the time and while constructive criticism and good ideas are always welcome you definitely toe the line on the "constructive" portion of that, but I'm not here to bash on you in fact I'm here to help and tell you what you need to do is either get into direct contact with the devs (if you need help with that I would be more than happy to help you) or get into IRC and start actively engaging the many awesome community members we have and recruiting to help you implement something you would like to see get developed. The Devs have stated time and again that anyone can add whatever they want, as long as it doesn't mess with the VRc source code, so you could make a completely re-vamped wallet if you want or anything else you can think of, and if you want to help implement things that have to do with the source code well then once again get into direct contact with the Devs, which again I can help you do if you so choose.
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William, Billy, Bill... keep on trying to flatter yourself, reality is you haven't come back yet from whatever horror you were exposed to in the Middle East and your grudges and unipolar fanaticism makes evident just how detrimental you are for anything that you may support, let alone VRC where you just want to be part of at any price -but preferably benefiting your pockets while pretending to do it. EVERYONE, poor pitiful child, EVERYONE had already complained, repeatedly, abut your virulence, threats and overall inadmissible behavior here and in the IRC, before Patrick called you to tone things down to a stand still. I prognosticated them -and the proof is in the pudding- that no matter how much you would pretend, the reprehensible behavior would always be there, right below the surface.

You are a very poor, lost child Billy. Unable to act or be rational, not just on VRC, on anything. Maybe it is the stress of the "battle", maybe some deranged sense of entitlement, maybe just deranged, I don't give a shit about it. And neither any REAL supporter of VRC who wants the coin to succeed and, eventually, make them money. To us all, you are detrimental for inappropriate, toxic, off putting to any one with legitimate questions or concerns and, worse yet, by age and above all lack of the most basic education, completely ignorant about anything even remotely link to finances.

Add to that a huge tin foil full of common places, and you have a pathetic, regrettable cocktail that can only hurt VRC, more so the more you try actually not to.

To put it in a metaphor perhaps accessible to whatever brain you may have, it's more os less the same effect you would have in their performance if you were included in the line up of the Lakers team. Get me boy?  
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August 06, 2014, 08:14:15 AM
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literally....can not...stop....laughing........


EDIT: ok, ok got a hold of myself, Barabbas really needs to think about doing stand-up because his posts are quite comical, anyway enough hilarity re-pressing the "Ignore" button and getting back to the productive conversations and not the weird obsessive personal crusades
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August 06, 2014, 08:29:43 AM
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in fact I'm here to help and tell you what you need to do

No socal, you don't need to tell me what to do.

I shared my opinion about the direction of the development process and what I think about blockchain 2 in general. I could be very wrong in what I am saying but I am entitled to write in this thread. You can either delete my posts, ignore them or just fuck off, but I am really not interested reading your directions about what to do.
In fact, you are not in the position to tell anyone to write or not to write here, especially that your head is having in the ass of the scammer & pumper wizrig for very long, and therefore you have caused to this coin lot more harm than positive. Moreover, your meaningless silver coin and road map added nothing really to the process (if it would added anything then the price would not be 12K), therefore your input is zero so far. With your zero input don't give directions, OK?
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August 06, 2014, 08:33:08 AM
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tell me what to do.


See I can edit quotes too, I was merely stating that the Devs are busy and can't keep up with everything in the forums so contact them directly, and it's great to meet another alt of barabbas.....
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