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August 06, 2014, 05:59:18 AM
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It's nice to want things.

But these devs have serious day jobs, VRC is a side project to them. They don't have the time to create the best implementation of these ideas that you all have.

Some devs from other coins are working full time, churning out one after the other.

As for VRC... crickets. Socal had to show the roadmap himself because the devs seem busy with other things right now. I mean, just read their "team" link on the VRC web page:


Patrick:
"He is currently pursuing a dual PhD in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology as well as Computational Biology and Molecular Biophysics. He also runs a technology website, www.pnosker.com. Pat holds 3 US patents and is co-inventor of five more including one on influenza therapeutics along with Doug Pike."

Douglas:
"is currently pursuing a PhD at Rutgers University in Biomedical Engineering. His Computational Biophysics work includes being the lead developer of a novel protein design software library, as well as an author of numerous scientific publications. In addition to VeriCoin, Doug and Pat are co-inventors of a process to discover influenza therapeutics."

And David is a cubicle slave at microsoft.


To create a coin with future validity, you have to do it full time. But they're not going to push all that away for a side project which suffers from a tarnished image.

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August 06, 2014, 06:12:21 AM
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Who says the DEVs aren't looking at Blockchain 2.0 or something of their own creation ? (Wink wink)

Thanks for the positive message LoL, but I think it was enough from the ridiculous hyping about how great this process is, this coin is steadily declining and lets remain realistic about the blockchain 2 feature.

We heard in the last hang out a week ago that the dev3 is very interested in blockchain 2. That's great but that's all vericoin have terms of blockchain 2. "Interested in the technology" - that's where vericoin is with the blockchain 2 development. In the meantime you can review Gavin Wood's cpp-ethereum source code and try out his fully operation blockchain 2 application, read Buterin's papers, read the white papers from Ripple and Skycoin and Viacoin hired Peter Todd. That's how far veicoin is from others in the blockchain 2 race, no wonder the market that lately only rewards blockchain 2 efforts is not interested in vericoin. I fully understand the devs are not in the position to compete with Ethereum, not even with Viacoin, but it would be nice to see some substance or hear about the plans at least.

Wizrig & the devs pulled off the hype & pump card already, in order to generate more interest in the coin the market need more than the usual hype bollocks, and it would be great some more sensible information about the blockchain 2 development, a lot more info what is in the road map.
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August 06, 2014, 06:19:19 AM
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It's nice to want things.

But these devs have serious day jobs, VRC is a side project to them. They don't have the time to create the best implementation of these ideas that you all have.

Some devs from other coins are working full time, churning out one after the other.

As for VRC... crickets. Socal had to show the roadmap himself because the devs seem busy with other things right now. I mean, just read their "team" link on the VRC web page:


Patrick:
"He is currently pursuing a dual PhD in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology as well as Computational Biology and Molecular Biophysics. He also runs a technology website, www.pnosker.com. Pat holds 3 US patents and is co-inventor of five more including one on influenza therapeutics along with Doug Pike."

Douglas:
"is currently pursuing a PhD at Rutgers University in Biomedical Engineering. His Computational Biophysics work includes being the lead developer of a novel protein design software library, as well as an author of numerous scientific publications. In addition to VeriCoin, Doug and Pat are co-inventors of a process to discover influenza therapeutics."

And David is a cubicle slave at microsoft.


To create a coin with future validity, you have to do it full time. But they're not going to push all that away for a side project which suffers from a tarnished image.



Yes, that's absolutely true - that's why the hype creation must stop and better not to mislead people what the devs will deliver and where are they terms of the development of advanced features (like that according to the road map the blockchain 2 feature is at 35% completion which is a nonsense, I would be surprised if it is at 5% even if we are talking about a minimalistic blockchain 2 app).
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August 06, 2014, 06:20:58 AM
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Hey guys I heard an idea earlier in here that I liked. Maybe the Devs need assistance with coding. how bout we do a startjoin or somethng along those lines to help them gain more of an advantage. We have a good community Barrabus pointed out earlier and it is 1 of our strong points. Maybe in the next video we can ask them if they need some assistance and see if we can find a skilled developer to help them short term such as a consultant. I dont know I like the Idea I would donate 100 dollars I dont have, I am sure we all are willing to pitch in to get this train full speed.

edit- P.S. I work in IT for a Fortune 30 company that uses in house developers to create proprietary software to run operations which gives them a competitive edge over the other companys distributing pharmaceuticals (yea I know I work for the devil) . Consultants are what they hire to bring in knowledge and speed to meet go-live goals. just saying
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August 06, 2014, 06:23:30 AM
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As for VRC... crickets. Socal had to show the roadmap himself because the devs seem busy with other things right now. I mean, just read their "team" link on the VRC web page:


The devs have delegated a lot of tasks to "VeriLeaders". So, Socal and ScottAllyn have relieved the devs of this time consuming task by putting together a very polished Road Map of VeriCoin projects. (The status bars were my input.) It's a community, working together to ensure the success of the coin. The community is on IRC, VeriTalk.info, and this thread. Anyone reading this can help strengthen the community by contributing their expertise and talents. Otherwise, just stake your coins and strengthen the network. Or, if you have no coins, get off this thread and keep your thoughts to yourself.

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August 06, 2014, 06:29:03 AM
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As for VRC... crickets. Socal had to show the roadmap himself because the devs seem busy with other things right now. I mean, just read their "team" link on the VRC web page:


The devs have delegated a lot of tasks to "VeriLeaders". So, Socal and ScottAllyn have relieved the devs of this time consuming task by putting together a very polished Road Map of VeriCoin projects. (The status bars were my input.) It's a community, working together to ensure the success of the coin. The community is on IRC, VeriTalk.info, and this thread. Anyone reading this can help strengthen the community by contributing their expertise and talents. Otherwise, just stake your coins and strengthen the network. Or, if you have no coins, get off this thread and keep your thoughts to yourself.



But you can't argue with the rest of my post, because it's hard to argue with the truth, so you pick on that one sentence.

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August 06, 2014, 06:41:49 AM
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Hey guys I heard an idea earlier in here that I liked. Maybe the Devs need assistance with coding. how bout we do a startjoin or somethng along those lines to help them gain more of an advantage. We have a good community Barrabus pointed out earlier and it is 1 of our strong points. Maybe in the next video we can ask them if they need some assistance and see if we can find a skilled developer to help them short term such as a consultant. I dont know I like the Idea I would donate 100 dollars I dont have, I am sure we all are willing to pitch in to get this train full speed.

Software development doesn't work like that. Any software projects need a proper design as a start to specify the requirements, then developers need to work together to complete the coding and tests. The vericoin devs made clear that they are not going to talk about the features and details with the community and I am not sure if they would be interested in any inputs from other developers. I could be wrong, but it seems to me the attitude of the vericoin devs is like this is their coin and will develop what they think is the best, which is fair enough, no one can deny this is their coin.

As for the money, a developer who understand the bitcoin/litecoin blockchain, QT, PPKI cryptography, cross platform software development, etc. costs US$ 10-15K per month these days, so need to be realistic what the community can add to the project.
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August 06, 2014, 07:08:37 AM
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Who says the DEVs aren't looking at Blockchain 2.0 or something of their own creation ? (Wink wink)

Thanks for the positive message LoL, but I think it was enough from the ridiculous hyping about how great this process is, this coin is steadily declining and lets remain realistic about the blockchain 2 feature.

We heard in the last hang out a week ago that the dev3 is very interested in blockchain 2. That's great but that's all vericoin have terms of blockchain 2. "Interested in the technology" - that's where vericoin is with the blockchain 2 development. In the meantime you can review Gavin Wood's cpp-ethereum source code and try out his fully operation blockchain 2 application, read Buterin's papers, read the white papers from Ripple and Skycoin and Viacoin hired Peter Todd. That's how far veicoin is from others in the blockchain 2 race, no wonder the market that lately only rewards blockchain 2 efforts is not interested in vericoin. I fully understand the devs are not in the position to compete with Ethereum, not even with Viacoin, but it would be nice to see some substance or hear about the plans at least.

Wizrig & the devs pulled off the hype & pump card already, in order to generate more interest in the coin the market need more than the usual hype bollocks, and some more sensible information about the blockchain 2 development what is in the road map.

While all you stated is very true -and I have pointed it out many times, while objectively looking at the entire project, along with the obvious shortcoming that the youth, on one side and therefore lack of experience, and the total absence of financial acumen, on the other, represent in this dev team-, the fact of the matter, lets not lose the perspective, is that this coin is no worse than any other, no matter which. Period. For now not much better than the best ones either. So, again, the assets are clear: Distribution is fair, dev team is honest, mostly capable and quite transparent -in spite of the shortcomings- and, above all, community is hugely strong. Those are the supports of a strong project. And the project IS strong, mind you. It is going -along with every other coin out there- through doldrums that have to do with macroeconomics of crypto, not with any serious problem -although those unresolved wallets are indeed a lag- with the coin or those in charge.

It is, really, quite simple: Momentum and swing players, are getting impatient and frustrated. Some gone for now. That, short term, is bad. Longer term, if you continue accumulating VRC, will be very good indeed. The impatient, the most impatient, will probably be out already and they will come back when the volume, the "action", comes back. Hitting new months lows seems to be doing the trick.
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August 06, 2014, 07:19:16 AM
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Hey guys I heard an idea earlier in here that I liked. Maybe the Devs need assistance with coding. how bout we do a startjoin or somethng along those lines to help them gain more of an advantage. We have a good community Barrabus pointed out earlier and it is 1 of our strong points. Maybe in the next video we can ask them if they need some assistance and see if we can find a skilled developer to help them short term such as a consultant. I dont know I like the Idea I would donate 100 dollars I dont have, I am sure we all are willing to pitch in to get this train full speed.

Software development doesn't work like that. Any software projects need a proper design as a start to specify the requirements, then developers need to work together to complete the coding and tests. The vericoin devs made clear that they are not going to talk about the features and details with the community and I am not sure if they would be interested in any inputs from other developers. I could be wrong, but it seems to me the attitude of the vericoin devs is like this is their coin and will develop what they think is the best, which is fair enough, no one can deny this is their coin.

As for the money, a developer who understand the bitcoin/litecoin blockchain, QT, PPKI cryptography, cross platform software development, etc. costs US$ 10-15K per month these days, so need to be realistic what the community can add to the project.

Really software development does not work like that ? soooo design ... then code and test...maybe in a dv environment to py, to production....got it. Yes you are correct I do not know how it works, I mean who am I but a simple man.

You telling me that a company does not hire a specialist in rpg, another in php, another in java, another in jde, lisp, .net, or maybe some old school like data.net etc and many others with specific skill sets to accomplish goals ? They hire 1 guys that understand 5 skill-sets ? And when they find a weakness or lack of ability in 1 area they do not hire a consultant for a couple days to help in that 1 area of expertise ?

Interesting you seem to know exactly what it costs also. per month lol. (Its more expensive then that for most) you sure maybe not 2 hours of help or 2 day maybe only 2 weeks...
You are correct about 1 thing...... you could be wrong.
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August 06, 2014, 07:48:13 AM
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To My undying obsessor and Lifetime President of the Socal Fan Club:

lol more Barabbas love for me  Grin

It's interesting how he loves to try to bash me every chance he gets and yet I don't see him doing anything to help VRC, except maybe posting a few back-handed "supporting" posts that could also qualify for thinly veiled mockery, so what's your game plan buddy? Bash one of the most vocal supporters and one of the biggest volunteers for VRC? Ya GREAT strategy there hotshot! Not to mention your propensity for bi-polar FUD-to-support-to-FUD posts. I think your strange obsession with me is flattering, I really do, but I think they are starting to miss you at whatever Institution you came from.

Basically you have become a joke and your credibility is nil, and not only on this thread. Literally EVERY thread I have had the displeasure of running into you on, you quickly and firmly entrench yourself in the camp of bi-polar FUDster to outright lunatic, alienating EVERYONE in said thread. Where as I on the other hand actually contribute CONSTRUCTIVE input and WORK to help make things happen. And yet there you are, still posting your half-coherent, bi-polar (see the pattern?) venom. I guess this is one of those weird things where the psychopath kills the object of his obsession because he loves it so much. I guess you just love me so damn much and want to be me so damn bad that you feel the compulsive need to "kill" my virtual presence here. Too bad you won't.

So please keep mentioning my name, I love the publicity and the chance to (once again) put you in your place (now only if you would stay there) and I take great pleasure in proving you wrong time and time again.

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August 06, 2014, 07:54:39 AM
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Hey guys I heard an idea earlier in here that I liked. Maybe the Devs need assistance with coding. how bout we do a startjoin or somethng along those lines to help them gain more of an advantage. We have a good community Barrabus pointed out earlier and it is 1 of our strong points. Maybe in the next video we can ask them if they need some assistance and see if we can find a skilled developer to help them short term such as a consultant. I dont know I like the Idea I would donate 100 dollars I dont have, I am sure we all are willing to pitch in to get this train full speed.

Software development doesn't work like that. Any software projects need a proper design as a start to specify the requirements, then developers need to work together to complete the coding and tests. The vericoin devs made clear that they are not going to talk about the features and details with the community and I am not sure if they would be interested in any inputs from other developers. I could be wrong, but it seems to me the attitude of the vericoin devs is like this is their coin and will develop what they think is the best, which is fair enough, no one can deny this is their coin.

As for the money, a developer who understand the bitcoin/litecoin blockchain, QT, PPKI cryptography, cross platform software development, etc. costs US$ 10-15K per month these days, so need to be realistic what the community can add to the project.

Really software development does not work like that ? soooo design ... then code and test...maybe in a dv environment to py, to production....got it. Yes you are correct I do not know how it works, I mean who am I but a simple man.

You telling me that a company does not hire a specialist in rpg, another in php, another in java, another in jde, lisp, .net, or maybe some old school like data.net etc and many others with specific skill sets to accomplish goals ? They hire 1 guys that understand 5 skill-sets ? And when they find a weakness or lack of ability in 1 area they do not hire a consultant for a couple days to help in that 1 area of expertise ?

Interesting you seem to know exactly what it costs also. per month lol. (Its more expensive then that for most) you sure maybe not 2 hours of help of 2 day maybe only 2 weeks...
You are correct about 1 thing...... you could be wrong.

I don't think your analogy about software development within an enterprise is relevant in the context of an altcoin project. I mean they are just two very different ball games. Digital currency projects are very rarely in the position to hire so many developers and consultants that you have suggested. That's simply not feasible that this project could hire a C++ guy who understand the business logic of a digital currency app, a developer that understand PPKI cryptography in implementation level, a QT guy for the UI development, another guy for QA, etc. so I am not sure why are you talking about that.

Anyway, I could be very wrong, I have been doing software development for very long and messing it up time to time, so if you do the opposite what I suggest then you could be on on right track :-)))
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Who says the DEVs aren't looking at Blockchain 2.0 or something of their own creation ? (Wink wink)

Thanks for the positive message LoL, but I think it was enough from the ridiculous hyping about how great this process is, this coin is steadily declining and lets remain realistic about the blockchain 2 feature.

We heard in the last hang out a week ago that the dev3 is very interested in blockchain 2. That's great but that's all vericoin have terms of blockchain 2. "Interested in the technology" - that's where vericoin is with the blockchain 2 development. In the meantime you can review Gavin Wood's cpp-ethereum source code and try out his fully operation blockchain 2 application, read Buterin's papers, read the white papers from Ripple and Skycoin and Viacoin hired Peter Todd. That's how far veicoin is from others in the blockchain 2 race, no wonder the market that lately only rewards blockchain 2 efforts is not interested in vericoin. I fully understand the devs are not in the position to compete with Ethereum, not even with Viacoin, but it would be nice to see some substance or hear about the plans at least.

Wizrig & the devs pulled off the hype & pump card already, in order to generate more interest in the coin the market need more than the usual hype bollocks, and some more sensible information about the blockchain 2 development what is in the road map.

While all you stated is very true -and I have pointed it out many times, while objectively looking at the entire project, along with the obvious shortcoming that the youth, on one side and therefore lack of experience, and the total absence of financial acumen, on the other, represent in this dev team-, the fact of the matter, lets not lose the perspective, is that this coin is no worse than any other, no matter which. Period. For now not much better than the best ones either. So, again, the assets are clear: Distribution is fair, dev team is honest, mostly capable and quite transparent -in spite of the shortcomings- and, above all, community is hugely strong. Those are the supports of a strong project. And the project IS strong, mind you. It is going -along with every other coin out there- through doldrums that have to do with macroeconomics of crypto, not with any serious problem -although those unresolved wallets are indeed a lag- with the coin or those in charge.

It is, really, quite simple: Momentum and swing players, are getting impatient and frustrated. Some gone for now. That, short term, is bad. Longer term, if you continue accumulating VRC, will be very good indeed. The impatient, the most impatient, will probably be out already and they will come back when the volume, the "action", comes back. Hitting new months lows seems to be doing the trick.

I think you are absolutely right that the VeriCoin devs are great, I think they are in the top 1% of the altcoin devs, the team is transparent and it seems they are really nice, honest guys with the arrogance of youth as you said and I guess you are right about that too, but all together the foundation of the coin is great, a lot better than most of the coins. The problem is this altcoin environment is getting more competitive and only the best will survive. What I a wondering here is mainly about the implementation, but yeah, the devs are not full time in this. We just have to either
a) wait and see what is happening or
b) put together a 60-80K development fund and help the devs to speed up the process
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altcoinUK I see you on here posting all the time and while constructive criticism and good ideas are always welcome you definitely toe the line on the "constructive" portion of that, but I'm not here to bash on you in fact I'm here to help and tell you what you need to do is either get into direct contact with the devs (if you need help with that I would be more than happy to help you) or get into IRC and start actively engaging the many awesome community members we have and recruiting to help you implement something you would like to see get developed. The Devs have stated time and again that anyone can add whatever they want, as long as it doesn't mess with the VRc source code, so you could make a completely re-vamped wallet if you want or anything else you can think of, and if you want to help implement things that have to do with the source code well then once again get into direct contact with the Devs, which again I can help you do if you so choose.
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William, Billy, Bill... keep on trying to flatter yourself, reality is you haven't come back yet from whatever horror you were exposed to in the Middle East and your grudges and unipolar fanaticism makes evident just how detrimental you are for anything that you may support, let alone VRC where you just want to be part of at any price -but preferably benefiting your pockets while pretending to do it. EVERYONE, poor pitiful child, EVERYONE had already complained, repeatedly, abut your virulence, threats and overall inadmissible behavior here and in the IRC, before Patrick called you to tone things down to a stand still. I prognosticated them -and the proof is in the pudding- that no matter how much you would pretend, the reprehensible behavior would always be there, right below the surface.

You are a very poor, lost child Billy. Unable to act or be rational, not just on VRC, on anything. Maybe it is the stress of the "battle", maybe some deranged sense of entitlement, maybe just deranged, I don't give a shit about it. And neither any REAL supporter of VRC who wants the coin to succeed and, eventually, make them money. To us all, you are detrimental for inappropriate, toxic, off putting to any one with legitimate questions or concerns and, worse yet, by age and above all lack of the most basic education, completely ignorant about anything even remotely link to finances.

Add to that a huge tin foil full of common places, and you have a pathetic, regrettable cocktail that can only hurt VRC, more so the more you try actually not to.

To put it in a metaphor perhaps accessible to whatever brain you may have, it's more os less the same effect you would have in their performance if you were included in the line up of the Lakers team. Get me boy?  
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literally....can not...stop....laughing........


EDIT: ok, ok got a hold of myself, Barabbas really needs to think about doing stand-up because his posts are quite comical, anyway enough hilarity re-pressing the "Ignore" button and getting back to the productive conversations and not the weird obsessive personal crusades
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in fact I'm here to help and tell you what you need to do

No socal, you don't need to tell me what to do.

I shared my opinion about the direction of the development process and what I think about blockchain 2 in general. I could be very wrong in what I am saying but I am entitled to write in this thread. You can either delete my posts, ignore them or just fuck off, but I am really not interested reading your directions about what to do.
In fact, you are not in the position to tell anyone to write or not to write here, especially that your head is having in the ass of the scammer & pumper wizrig for very long, and therefore you have caused to this coin lot more harm than positive. Moreover, your meaningless silver coin and road map added nothing really to the process (if it would added anything then the price would not be 12K), therefore your input is zero so far. With your zero input don't give directions, OK?
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tell me what to do.


See I can edit quotes too, I was merely stating that the Devs are busy and can't keep up with everything in the forums so contact them directly, and it's great to meet another alt of barabbas.....
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August 06, 2014, 08:53:20 AM
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Are you guys sure? Or just positive? Because I am so close to unload my stash...

I am about to unload my stash as well... ough, no.. the price has already dropped like a rock, < 10k is coming in the next 2 days

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August 06, 2014, 10:08:43 AM
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Could you guys imagine how big a true (and on top audited) decentralized exchange would be? People would swarm in like crazy. There is a long talk about a decentralized exchange in the BTCitcoin community since the Mt. Gox drama. People like Andreas Antonopoulos are very interested in this for a long time now. We could also get a lot of media attention over Andreas and Let's Talk Bitcoin. If Adam B. Levine is talking about a coin it's like like an accolade for the coin on the long term.

There is a big big demand to get an exchange in which assets are not steal able. Neither by the people running the exchange neither by hackers. The single point of failure hurt a lot of people. There is no exchange I am currently trusting. Mt. Gox, Poloniex, Mintpal and other have proven again and again there will also be a point of failure. In the end it doesn't matter if a Government, an admin or an Hacker creates this situation where assets are gone.


Vericoin is currently one of the few coins competent, active and on top smart enough to achieve this milestone in the Bitcoin history. The demand is just huge.
But it would take 3 People too long to get a working exchange in time. We need to get bigger. Volunteers (which can be tipped), investors for a foundation to hire people and make the hole process accelerate. How many people are involved in the development of Etherum? 60? That's totally different universe.

The foundation should get in the end most of the fees charged by the exchange to make it lucrative to them investing.

I would love the see Vericoin to succeed. But if we can achieve this. This would be outstanding. This is a real opportunity to get big.

In my opinion the exchange should aim high to get attention.

--> get a white paper. Where do the dev. want to head. What are the ideas?

I would suggest:

Step:
1.) Create a base the exchange could operate on. Possibly a unique Blockchain 2.0 ? I am not sure if a decentralized exchange could even operate on the current blockchain.
 2.) Create the exchange. Just a simple test version integrated into the Vericoin Wallet to find problems.
  3.) Make the exchange accessible over the browser. Create an Veri-exchange only Wallet
   4.) Add Altcoins

and then we got already a lot. The far future ideas would be:

-Veribank comes alive. Create a special token/coin (maybe Ripple style) and make it simple 1 coin/token = 1$ accessible for all Veribank users. Add this token/coin to the exchange.
And BOOM Vericoin became a big player and could even take over market cap of big Bitcoin exchanges like btc-e, bitstamp and even OKCoin simply because a p2p exchange with FIAT would be a kill blow to them.

-Create tradable contracts over the exchange.

But I am not sure if the dev of Vericoin even want to head this way.
I know this is a shit lot of hard work. But the possible value out of this is not even predicable.

I would love to see them heading this direction and would support this heavily.

What do you guys think about these ideas?

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August 06, 2014, 10:22:14 AM
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Awesome idea GaliX! you should bring it up to the Devs.
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