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August 06, 2014, 08:05:55 AM
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Who says the DEVs aren't looking at Blockchain 2.0 or something of their own creation ? (Wink wink)

Thanks for the positive message LoL, but I think it was enough from the ridiculous hyping about how great this process is, this coin is steadily declining and lets remain realistic about the blockchain 2 feature.

We heard in the last hang out a week ago that the dev3 is very interested in blockchain 2. That's great but that's all vericoin have terms of blockchain 2. "Interested in the technology" - that's where vericoin is with the blockchain 2 development. In the meantime you can review Gavin Wood's cpp-ethereum source code and try out his fully operation blockchain 2 application, read Buterin's papers, read the white papers from Ripple and Skycoin and Viacoin hired Peter Todd. That's how far veicoin is from others in the blockchain 2 race, no wonder the market that lately only rewards blockchain 2 efforts is not interested in vericoin. I fully understand the devs are not in the position to compete with Ethereum, not even with Viacoin, but it would be nice to see some substance or hear about the plans at least.

Wizrig & the devs pulled off the hype & pump card already, in order to generate more interest in the coin the market need more than the usual hype bollocks, and some more sensible information about the blockchain 2 development what is in the road map.

While all you stated is very true -and I have pointed it out many times, while objectively looking at the entire project, along with the obvious shortcoming that the youth, on one side and therefore lack of experience, and the total absence of financial acumen, on the other, represent in this dev team-, the fact of the matter, lets not lose the perspective, is that this coin is no worse than any other, no matter which. Period. For now not much better than the best ones either. So, again, the assets are clear: Distribution is fair, dev team is honest, mostly capable and quite transparent -in spite of the shortcomings- and, above all, community is hugely strong. Those are the supports of a strong project. And the project IS strong, mind you. It is going -along with every other coin out there- through doldrums that have to do with macroeconomics of crypto, not with any serious problem -although those unresolved wallets are indeed a lag- with the coin or those in charge.

It is, really, quite simple: Momentum and swing players, are getting impatient and frustrated. Some gone for now. That, short term, is bad. Longer term, if you continue accumulating VRC, will be very good indeed. The impatient, the most impatient, will probably be out already and they will come back when the volume, the "action", comes back. Hitting new months lows seems to be doing the trick.

I think you are absolutely right that the VeriCoin devs are great, I think they are in the top 1% of the altcoin devs, the team is transparent and it seems they are really nice, honest guys with the arrogance of youth as you said and I guess you are right about that too, but all together the foundation of the coin is great, a lot better than most of the coins. The problem is this altcoin environment is getting more competitive and only the best will survive. What I a wondering here is mainly about the implementation, but yeah, the devs are not full time in this. We just have to either
a) wait and see what is happening or
b) put together a 60-80K development fund and help the devs to speed up the process
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August 06, 2014, 08:06:41 AM
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altcoinUK I see you on here posting all the time and while constructive criticism and good ideas are always welcome you definitely toe the line on the "constructive" portion of that, but I'm not here to bash on you in fact I'm here to help and tell you what you need to do is either get into direct contact with the devs (if you need help with that I would be more than happy to help you) or get into IRC and start actively engaging the many awesome community members we have and recruiting to help you implement something you would like to see get developed. The Devs have stated time and again that anyone can add whatever they want, as long as it doesn't mess with the VRc source code, so you could make a completely re-vamped wallet if you want or anything else you can think of, and if you want to help implement things that have to do with the source code well then once again get into direct contact with the Devs, which again I can help you do if you so choose.
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August 06, 2014, 08:10:55 AM
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William, Billy, Bill... keep on trying to flatter yourself, reality is you haven't come back yet from whatever horror you were exposed to in the Middle East and your grudges and unipolar fanaticism makes evident just how detrimental you are for anything that you may support, let alone VRC where you just want to be part of at any price -but preferably benefiting your pockets while pretending to do it. EVERYONE, poor pitiful child, EVERYONE had already complained, repeatedly, abut your virulence, threats and overall inadmissible behavior here and in the IRC, before Patrick called you to tone things down to a stand still. I prognosticated them -and the proof is in the pudding- that no matter how much you would pretend, the reprehensible behavior would always be there, right below the surface.

You are a very poor, lost child Billy. Unable to act or be rational, not just on VRC, on anything. Maybe it is the stress of the "battle", maybe some deranged sense of entitlement, maybe just deranged, I don't give a shit about it. And neither any REAL supporter of VRC who wants the coin to succeed and, eventually, make them money. To us all, you are detrimental for inappropriate, toxic, off putting to any one with legitimate questions or concerns and, worse yet, by age and above all lack of the most basic education, completely ignorant about anything even remotely link to finances.

Add to that a huge tin foil full of common places, and you have a pathetic, regrettable cocktail that can only hurt VRC, more so the more you try actually not to.

To put it in a metaphor perhaps accessible to whatever brain you may have, it's more os less the same effect you would have in their performance if you were included in the line up of the Lakers team. Get me boy?  
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literally....can not...stop....laughing........


EDIT: ok, ok got a hold of myself, Barabbas really needs to think about doing stand-up because his posts are quite comical, anyway enough hilarity re-pressing the "Ignore" button and getting back to the productive conversations and not the weird obsessive personal crusades
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August 06, 2014, 08:29:43 AM
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in fact I'm here to help and tell you what you need to do

No socal, you don't need to tell me what to do.

I shared my opinion about the direction of the development process and what I think about blockchain 2 in general. I could be very wrong in what I am saying but I am entitled to write in this thread. You can either delete my posts, ignore them or just fuck off, but I am really not interested reading your directions about what to do.
In fact, you are not in the position to tell anyone to write or not to write here, especially that your head is having in the ass of the scammer & pumper wizrig for very long, and therefore you have caused to this coin lot more harm than positive. Moreover, your meaningless silver coin and road map added nothing really to the process (if it would added anything then the price would not be 12K), therefore your input is zero so far. With your zero input don't give directions, OK?
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August 06, 2014, 08:33:08 AM
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tell me what to do.


See I can edit quotes too, I was merely stating that the Devs are busy and can't keep up with everything in the forums so contact them directly, and it's great to meet another alt of barabbas.....
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August 06, 2014, 08:53:20 AM
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Are you guys sure? Or just positive? Because I am so close to unload my stash...

I am about to unload my stash as well... ough, no.. the price has already dropped like a rock, < 10k is coming in the next 2 days

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Could you guys imagine how big a true (and on top audited) decentralized exchange would be? People would swarm in like crazy. There is a long talk about a decentralized exchange in the BTCitcoin community since the Mt. Gox drama. People like Andreas Antonopoulos are very interested in this for a long time now. We could also get a lot of media attention over Andreas and Let's Talk Bitcoin. If Adam B. Levine is talking about a coin it's like like an accolade for the coin on the long term.

There is a big big demand to get an exchange in which assets are not steal able. Neither by the people running the exchange neither by hackers. The single point of failure hurt a lot of people. There is no exchange I am currently trusting. Mt. Gox, Poloniex, Mintpal and other have proven again and again there will also be a point of failure. In the end it doesn't matter if a Government, an admin or an Hacker creates this situation where assets are gone.


Vericoin is currently one of the few coins competent, active and on top smart enough to achieve this milestone in the Bitcoin history. The demand is just huge.
But it would take 3 People too long to get a working exchange in time. We need to get bigger. Volunteers (which can be tipped), investors for a foundation to hire people and make the hole process accelerate. How many people are involved in the development of Etherum? 60? That's totally different universe.

The foundation should get in the end most of the fees charged by the exchange to make it lucrative to them investing.

I would love the see Vericoin to succeed. But if we can achieve this. This would be outstanding. This is a real opportunity to get big.

In my opinion the exchange should aim high to get attention.

--> get a white paper. Where do the dev. want to head. What are the ideas?

I would suggest:

Step:
1.) Create a base the exchange could operate on. Possibly a unique Blockchain 2.0 ? I am not sure if a decentralized exchange could even operate on the current blockchain.
 2.) Create the exchange. Just a simple test version integrated into the Vericoin Wallet to find problems.
  3.) Make the exchange accessible over the browser. Create an Veri-exchange only Wallet
   4.) Add Altcoins

and then we got already a lot. The far future ideas would be:

-Veribank comes alive. Create a special token/coin (maybe Ripple style) and make it simple 1 coin/token = 1$ accessible for all Veribank users. Add this token/coin to the exchange.
And BOOM Vericoin became a big player and could even take over market cap of big Bitcoin exchanges like btc-e, bitstamp and even OKCoin simply because a p2p exchange with FIAT would be a kill blow to them.

-Create tradable contracts over the exchange.

But I am not sure if the dev of Vericoin even want to head this way.
I know this is a shit lot of hard work. But the possible value out of this is not even predicable.

I would love to see them heading this direction and would support this heavily.

What do you guys think about these ideas?

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August 06, 2014, 10:22:14 AM
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Awesome idea GaliX! you should bring it up to the Devs.
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August 06, 2014, 11:01:02 AM
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why is the value of the coin so low currently? It was almost worth 4 times what it is now recently.  Will it make a come back?
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August 06, 2014, 11:24:45 AM
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why is the value of the coin so low currently? It was almost worth 4 times what it is now recently.  Will it make a come back?

The price will not go back from the optimism of the cheerleaders, vocal supporters, regional leaders or whatever they call themselves in this thread and IRC. The price will go back when the devs start to deliver features that people/investors are interested in.
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August 06, 2014, 11:27:24 AM
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GaliX this is some kind of input I wanna read from everyone nice!
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August 06, 2014, 11:33:28 AM
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There is a big big demand to get an exchange in which assets are not steal able. Neither by the people running the exchange neither by hackers. The single point of failure hurt a lot of people. There is no exchange I am currently trusting. Mt. Gox, Poloniex, Mintpal and other have proven again and again there will also be a point of failure. In the end it doesn't matter if a Government, an admin or an Hacker creates this situation where assets are gone.

You are absolutely right in emphasizing the importance of a blockchain 2 app, you are also absolutely right that the devs should forget all meaningless features and focus on the blockcain 2 function and it would be great if you could get this message through to the DEVs. Personally I think a decentralized market place, like a next decentralized Ebay that uses vericoin would be significantly bigger than a decentralized exchange, plus as users would trade with vericoin in the decentralized market place the demand for vericoin and consequently the price would sky rocket. Having said that, obviously the decentralized exchange would be great as well. Basically, any applications would be great that can be labelled as a blockhain 2 application.

Step:
1.) Create a base the exchange could operate on. Possibly a unique Blockchain 2.0 ? I am not sure if a decentralized exchange could even operate on the current blockchain.
 2.) Create the exchange. Just a simple test version integrated into the Vericoin Wallet to find problems.
  3.) Make the exchange accessible over the browser. Create an Veri-exchange only Wallet
   4.) Add Altcoins

That's the main issue, how to achieve step 1.
For example Bitcoin use the OP_RETURN output in the transaction so you could say the bitcoin blockchain supports smart contracts in that sense. It seems to me the VeriCoin raw transaction could have OP_RETURN output as well so it is possible to build blockchain 2 apps on the top of that. At least my understanding was that the bitcoin devs suggest to use the OP_RETURN output and build blockchain 2 features top on that, but I could be wrong. Other projects like Viacoin take a different route and uses existing infrastructure like Counterparty which make sense too. I am sure that will work for them. If I would be the dev I would take the Ethereum route so it would be a contract entity and that could create messages instead of the transaction or collection of the transaction is the contract. In this case I guess you would need a ledger for the contracts, but wouldn't have to mess with the blockchain.

Either way lots of development, but I am sure the talented VeriCoin devs can manage that. If they need help the community could put together a 60-80K fund to hire peoples.

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August 06, 2014, 11:37:34 AM
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Could you guys imagine how big a true (and on top audited) decentralized exchange would be? People would swarm in like crazy. There is a long talk about a decentralized exchange in the BTCitcoin community since the Mt. Gox drama. People like Andreas Antonopoulos are very interested in this for a long time now. We could also get a lot of media attention over Andreas and Let's Talk Bitcoin. If Adam B. Levine is talking about a coin it's like like an accolade for the coin on the long term.

There is a big big demand to get an exchange in which assets are not steal able. Neither by the people running the exchange neither by hackers. The single point of failure hurt a lot of people. There is no exchange I am currently trusting. Mt. Gox, Poloniex, Mintpal and other have proven again and again there will also be a point of failure. In the end it doesn't matter if a Government, an admin or an Hacker creates this situation where assets are gone.


Vericoin is currently one of the few coins competent, active and on top smart enough to achieve this milestone in the Bitcoin history. The demand is just huge.
But it would take 3 People too long to get a working exchange in time. We need to get bigger. Volunteers (which can be tipped), investors for a foundation to hire people and make the hole process accelerate. How many people are involved in the development of Etherum? 60? That's totally different universe.

The foundation should get in the end most of the fees charged by the exchange to make it lucrative to them investing.

I would love the see Vericoin to succeed. But if we can achieve this. This would be outstanding. This is a real opportunity to get big.

In my opinion the exchange should aim high to get attention.

--> get a white paper. Where do the dev. want to head. What are the ideas?

I would suggest:

Step:
1.) Create a base the exchange could operate on. Possibly a unique Blockchain 2.0 ? I am not sure if a decentralized exchange could even operate on the current blockchain.
 2.) Create the exchange. Just a simple test version integrated into the Vericoin Wallet to find problems.
  3.) Make the exchange accessible over the browser. Create an Veri-exchange only Wallet
   4.) Add Altcoins

and then we got already a lot. The far future ideas would be:

-Veribank comes alive. Create a special token/coin (maybe Ripple style) and make it simple 1 coin/token = 1$ accessible for all Veribank users. Add this token/coin to the exchange.
And BOOM Vericoin became a big player and could even take over market cap of big Bitcoin exchanges like btc-e, bitstamp and even OKCoin simply because a p2p exchange with FIAT would be a kill blow to them.

-Create tradable contracts over the exchange.

But I am not sure if the dev of Vericoin even want to head this way.
I know this is a shit lot of hard work. But the possible value out of this is not even predicable.

I would love to see them heading this direction and would support this heavily.

What do you guys think about these ideas?

Totally agree.
 
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August 06, 2014, 11:49:52 AM
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why is the value of the coin so low currently? It was almost worth 4 times what it is now recently.  Will it make a come back?

The price will not go back from the optimism of the cheerleaders, vocal supporters, regional leaders or whatever they call themselves in this thread and IRC. The price will go back when the devs start to deliver features that people/investors are interested in.
I agree with this 100%. The devs have a great product so far that has been somewhat of a game changer but blockchain 2.0, built in wallet exchange and other features will put this coin in top 5 for a good while.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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August 06, 2014, 11:58:12 AM
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why is the value of the coin so low currently? It was almost worth 4 times what it is now recently.  Will it make a come back?

The price will not go back from the optimism of the cheerleaders, vocal supporters, regional leaders or whatever they call themselves in this thread and IRC. The price will go back when the devs start to deliver features that people/investors are interested in.

based on your experience (whether with coins in general, or this dev) - would you think there will be a recovery or are you calling this one done?
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August 06, 2014, 12:31:12 PM
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why is the value of the coin so low currently? It was almost worth 4 times what it is now recently.  Will it make a come back?

The price will not go back from the optimism of the cheerleaders, vocal supporters, regional leaders or whatever they call themselves in this thread and IRC. The price will go back when the devs start to deliver features that people/investors are interested in.

based on your experience (whether with coins in general, or this dev) - would you think there will be a recovery or are you calling this one done?

I think there will be a recovery sometimes. Firstly when the depressed bag holders unload their coins some pump could happen, but most importantly the devs are honest and intelligent professionals, they are serious about this project and surely they don't want to fail with this project that is in the public domain, so I am sure they will deliver sooner or later and then the price will be a lot better. If the devs deliver big then the price could be very big :-)) I think there are just a very-very few good altcoin projects and vercioin is still one of them (because of the devs).
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August 06, 2014, 01:00:28 PM
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Can you people feel how hater turn slowly back to supporter as the price goes down more and more?  July was not a good month for vericoin and I  blame it mostly all on Mintpal.
But now we will see a huge development in all crypto,  we will soon separate between bitcoin altcoin and 2.0 coins (blockchain2.0) and I think vericoin will be a 2.0 coin fore sure.
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August 06, 2014, 01:03:00 PM
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Sold all my vrc... but will buy back double or triple... so an bought all in to RDD and will hold that for the next 2 months as they have a nice plan for the coin over the next 2 months... at 20 - 22 sats it will be 60-100 sats in 60 days and then I will come back and buy my vrc... as I do not see vrc going up in the next 4-6 weeks unless there is going to be a big change....

But over all vrc is a great long term investment more like 2-5 years... so if you can double your investment in other alts and then come back and by more vrc ... all the luck to you..

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