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November 16, 2014, 05:33:10 AM
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i'm offering a 2 BTC bounty for the IRL identity of brg444 OR a direct proof of a tie to Blockstream.

i'll increase it to 4 BTC if you can give me satisfactory evidence of both his IRL identity AND a direct tie to Blockstream.

both will be subject to my satisfaction of the evidence.

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you have brought this witchhunt to another level

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November 16, 2014, 05:44:29 AM
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Here: I'll throw you a bone since I really don't have anything to hide and it can only serve to make you look even more stupid in your own thread.

https://twitter.com/bergalex

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November 16, 2014, 05:50:48 AM
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Here: I'll throw you a bone since I really don't have anything to hide and it can only serve to make you look even more stupid in your own thread.

https://twitter.com/bergalex

Should have let me out you... we could have split the bounty.

Seriously cypher, don't be a dick.  There is no reason to fuck with people's privacy over an internet fight.  Grow the fuck up.

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November 16, 2014, 05:52:03 AM
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Here: I'll throw you a bone since I really don't have anything to hide and it can only serve to make you look even more stupid in your own thread.

https://twitter.com/bergalex

Should have let me out you... we could have split the bounty.

Seriously cypher, don't be a dick.  There is no reason to fuck with people's privacy over an internet fight.  Grow the fuck up.

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I'm the one who feels stupid now

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Seriously cypher, don't be a dick.  There is no reason to fuck with people's privacy over an internet fight.  Grow the fuck up.

I think his account was hacked, or maybe he's been tweaking a bit.  The real cypherdoc would never do anything like that.


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Seriously cypher, don't be a dick.  There is no reason to fuck with people's privacy over an internet fight.  Grow the fuck up.

I think his account was hacked, or maybe he's been tweaking a bit.  The real cypherdoc would never do anything like that.



You'd be surprised what one can do when he is backed up into a corner all by himself.

Oh well, I'm not mad  Cheesy He's all bark and no bite


edit: it is saturday night, maybe he's been drinking too much  Undecided

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November 16, 2014, 06:21:00 AM
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the Blockstream bounty still applies btw  Cheesy

nothing you've said has changed my mind.  in fact, its all crystallized it for me.

allowing the exit of BTC from its secure blockchain via the SPVproof breaks the whole concept of the Sound Money function of Bitcoin in my book.  whereas ppl would have been forced to buy into BTC to participate in Bitcoin, now they will be able to buy all sorts of SC speculative assets which will be derivatives of BTC, whether they be on federated servers or decentralized SC's.  Bitcoin won't be Bitcoin anymore thus ppl should willingly do this as BTC really won't have the ability to appreciate anymore as it will no longer represent Sound Money.  in essence, i see these speculative SC's, which Blockstream will be creating for fees, to be inflationary.  their ledgers will be hidden and opaque and insecure as i doubt they will be mined as MM has a limited capacity.
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November 16, 2014, 06:23:54 AM
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the Blockstream bounty still applies btw  Cheesy

nothing you've said has changed my mind.  in fact, its all crystallized it for me.

allowing the exit of BTC from its secure blockchain via the SPVproof breaks the whole concept of the Sound Money function of Bitcoin in my book.  whereas ppl would have been forced to buy into BTC to participate in Bitcoin, now they will be able to buy all sorts of SC speculative assets which will be derivatives of BTC, whether they be on federated servers or decentralized SC's.  Bitcoin won't be Bitcoin anymore thus ppl should willingly do this as BTC really won't have the ability to appreciate anymore as it will no longer represent Sound Money.  in essence, i see these speculative SC's, which Blockstream will be creating for fees, to be inflationary.  their ledgers will be hidden and opaque and insecure as i doubt they will be mined as MM has a limited capacity.


so did you sell your Bitcoins yet?

because, you know, the federated peg sidechains are coming. Bitcoin is not Bitcoin anymore, already.  Cry

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November 16, 2014, 06:26:49 AM
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the Blockstream bounty still applies btw  Cheesy

nothing you've said has changed my mind.  in fact, its all crystallized it for me.

allowing the exit of BTC from its secure blockchain via the SPVproof breaks the whole concept of the Sound Money function of Bitcoin in my book.  whereas ppl would have been forced to buy into BTC to participate in Bitcoin, now they will be able to buy all sorts of SC speculative assets which will be derivatives of BTC, whether they be on federated servers or decentralized SC's.  Bitcoin won't be Bitcoin anymore thus ppl should willingly do this as BTC really won't have the ability to appreciate anymore as it will no longer represent Sound Money.  in essence, i see these speculative SC's, which Blockstream will be creating for fees, to be inflationary.  their ledgers will be hidden and opaque and insecure as i doubt they will be mined as MM has a limited capacity.


so did you sell your Bitcoins yet?

because, you know, the federated peg sidechains are coming. Bitcoin is not Bitcoin anymore, already.  Cry

i already said i don't mind federated servers as it doesn't touch source and therefore doesn't change Bitcoin.

i may even use a federated server if it has good features.
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November 16, 2014, 06:28:28 AM
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the Blockstream bounty still applies btw  Cheesy

nothing you've said has changed my mind.  in fact, its all crystallized it for me.

allowing the exit of BTC from its secure blockchain via the SPVproof breaks the whole concept of the Sound Money function of Bitcoin in my book.  whereas ppl would have been forced to buy into BTC to participate in Bitcoin, now they will be able to buy all sorts of SC speculative assets which will be derivatives of BTC, whether they be on federated servers or decentralized SC's.  Bitcoin won't be Bitcoin anymore thus ppl should willingly do this as BTC really won't have the ability to appreciate anymore as it will no longer represent Sound Money.  in essence, i see these speculative SC's, which Blockstream will be creating for fees, to be inflationary.  their ledgers will be hidden and opaque and insecure as i doubt they will be mined as MM has a limited capacity.


let me have you answer that question.

what is more likely to inflate Bitcoin?

Bitcoin on off-chain schemes or Bitcoins on algorithmically pegged sidechains

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November 16, 2014, 06:34:21 AM
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the Blockstream bounty still applies btw  Cheesy

nothing you've said has changed my mind.  in fact, its all crystallized it for me.

allowing the exit of BTC from its secure blockchain via the SPVproof breaks the whole concept of the Sound Money function of Bitcoin in my book.  whereas ppl would have been forced to buy into BTC to participate in Bitcoin, now they will be able to buy all sorts of SC speculative assets which will be derivatives of BTC, whether they be on federated servers or decentralized SC's.  Bitcoin won't be Bitcoin anymore thus ppl should willingly do this as BTC really won't have the ability to appreciate anymore as it will no longer represent Sound Money.  in essence, i see these speculative SC's, which Blockstream will be creating for fees, to be inflationary.  their ledgers will be hidden and opaque and insecure as i doubt they will be mined as MM has a limited capacity.


let me have you answer that question.

what is more likely to inflate Bitcoin?

Bitcoin on off-chain schemes or Bitcoins on algorithmically pegged sidechains

the SPVproof will break Bitcoins core foundation which is the link btwn its currency unit and its blockchain.  this by itself will be inflationary as we will no longer have a functioning system as value gets drained away to speculative SC's (speculative in the sense of not being BTC anymore).  off chain systems don't inflate Bitcoin as those BTC deposited at a gox lumped address, for example, still exist on the Bitcoin blockchain.  the orderbooks can do their stuff but it is not inflationary to Bitcoin.
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November 16, 2014, 06:35:58 AM
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the Blockstream bounty still applies btw  Cheesy

nothing you've said has changed my mind.  in fact, its all crystallized it for me.

allowing the exit of BTC from its secure blockchain via the SPVproof breaks the whole concept of the Sound Money function of Bitcoin in my book.  whereas ppl would have been forced to buy into BTC to participate in Bitcoin, now they will be able to buy all sorts of SC speculative assets which will be derivatives of BTC, whether they be on federated servers or decentralized SC's.  Bitcoin won't be Bitcoin anymore thus ppl should willingly do this as BTC really won't have the ability to appreciate anymore as it will no longer represent Sound Money.  in essence, i see these speculative SC's, which Blockstream will be creating for fees, to be inflationary.  their ledgers will be hidden and opaque and insecure as i doubt they will be mined as MM has a limited capacity.


so did you sell your Bitcoins yet?

because, you know, the federated peg sidechains are coming. Bitcoin is not Bitcoin anymore, already.  Cry

i already said i don't mind federated servers as it doesn't touch source and therefore doesn't change Bitcoin.

i may even use a federated server if it has good features.

 Cheesy

you are beyond retarded

when are you ever going to realize that federated peg create the same off-mainchain BTC scheme as SPVproof would? a sidechain, is a sidechain, is a sidechain. the method used to validate information and communicate between chains changes little. please don't give me that "institutionalized" or "systemized" bullshit.

whereas ppl would have been forced to buy into BTC to participate in Bitcoin, now they will be able to buy all sorts of SC speculative assets which will be derivatives of BTC, whether they be on federated servers or decentralized SC's.

So in one post federated servers are bad because they create speculative assets that diminishes Bitcoin Sound Money properties but in the next post you "may even use a federated server"

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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November 16, 2014, 06:42:04 AM
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the Blockstream bounty still applies btw  Cheesy

nothing you've said has changed my mind.  in fact, its all crystallized it for me.

allowing the exit of BTC from its secure blockchain via the SPVproof breaks the whole concept of the Sound Money function of Bitcoin in my book.  whereas ppl would have been forced to buy into BTC to participate in Bitcoin, now they will be able to buy all sorts of SC speculative assets which will be derivatives of BTC, whether they be on federated servers or decentralized SC's.  Bitcoin won't be Bitcoin anymore thus ppl should willingly do this as BTC really won't have the ability to appreciate anymore as it will no longer represent Sound Money.  in essence, i see these speculative SC's, which Blockstream will be creating for fees, to be inflationary.  their ledgers will be hidden and opaque and insecure as i doubt they will be mined as MM has a limited capacity.


let me have you answer that question.

what is more likely to inflate Bitcoin?

Bitcoin on off-chain schemes or Bitcoins on algorithmically pegged sidechains

the SIDECHAINS will break Bitcoins core foundation which is the link btwn its currency unit and its blockchain.  this by itself will be inflationary as we will no longer have a functioning system as value gets drained away to speculative SC's (speculative in the sense of not being BTC anymore).  off chain systems don't inflate Bitcoin as those BTC deposited at a gox lumped address, for example, still exist on the Bitcoin blockchain.  the orderbooks can do their stuff but it is not inflationary to Bitcoin.

FTFY.

Off chain systems can be equally speculative and drain away value in very much the same way as sidechains would.

Additionally, bitcoins locked on sidechains exist in the same way those deposited at gox do. In fact, considering they can be algorithmically pegged and claimed on the mainchain they are even more real than the BTC at gox.

In both cases, inflation off the mainchain can not affect the mainchain so I'm not sure what you are getting at.

How were you able to somehow deceive all of the people in this thread into thinking you were somehow someway an intelligent person  Huh

This stuff you are saying right now is downright embarassing.

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November 16, 2014, 06:44:46 AM
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the Blockstream bounty still applies btw  Cheesy

nothing you've said has changed my mind.  in fact, its all crystallized it for me.

allowing the exit of BTC from its secure blockchain via the SPVproof breaks the whole concept of the Sound Money function of Bitcoin in my book.  whereas ppl would have been forced to buy into BTC to participate in Bitcoin, now they will be able to buy all sorts of SC speculative assets which will be derivatives of BTC, whether they be on federated servers or decentralized SC's.  Bitcoin won't be Bitcoin anymore thus ppl should willingly do this as BTC really won't have the ability to appreciate anymore as it will no longer represent Sound Money.  in essence, i see these speculative SC's, which Blockstream will be creating for fees, to be inflationary.  their ledgers will be hidden and opaque and insecure as i doubt they will be mined as MM has a limited capacity.


so did you sell your Bitcoins yet?

because, you know, the federated peg sidechains are coming. Bitcoin is not Bitcoin anymore, already.  Cry

i already said i don't mind federated servers as it doesn't touch source and therefore doesn't change Bitcoin.

i may even use a federated server if it has good features.

 Cheesy

you are beyond retarded

when are you ever going to realize that federated peg create the same off-mainchain BTC scheme as SPVproof would? a sidechain, is a sidechain, is a sidechain. the method used to validate information and communicate between chains changes little. please don't give me that "institutionalized" or "systemized" bullshit.

whereas ppl would have been forced to buy into BTC to participate in Bitcoin, now they will be able to buy all sorts of SC speculative assets which will be derivatives of BTC, whether they be on federated servers or decentralized SC's.

So in one post federated servers are bad because they create speculative assets that diminishes Bitcoin Sound Money properties but in the next post you "may even use a federated server"

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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man, you are one insolent kid.

i keep emphasizing the SPVproof b/c that is indeed what i'm against b/c it changes source, not SC's in general.  you're unable to ascertain that given all the posts i've made about this?  sheesh.

federated servers aren't really even on my radar as ppl are free to do whatever they want in their private communities as long as they don't come begging to change source to profit from their business model.
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November 16, 2014, 06:51:07 AM
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the Blockstream bounty still applies btw  Cheesy

nothing you've said has changed my mind.  in fact, its all crystallized it for me.

allowing the exit of BTC from its secure blockchain via the SPVproof breaks the whole concept of the Sound Money function of Bitcoin in my book.  whereas ppl would have been forced to buy into BTC to participate in Bitcoin, now they will be able to buy all sorts of SC speculative assets which will be derivatives of BTC, whether they be on federated servers or decentralized SC's.  Bitcoin won't be Bitcoin anymore thus ppl should willingly do this as BTC really won't have the ability to appreciate anymore as it will no longer represent Sound Money.  in essence, i see these speculative SC's, which Blockstream will be creating for fees, to be inflationary.  their ledgers will be hidden and opaque and insecure as i doubt they will be mined as MM has a limited capacity.


let me have you answer that question.

what is more likely to inflate Bitcoin?

Bitcoin on off-chain schemes or Bitcoins on algorithmically pegged sidechains

the SIDECHAINS will break Bitcoins core foundation which is the link btwn its currency unit and its blockchain.  this by itself will be inflationary as we will no longer have a functioning system as value gets drained away to speculative SC's (speculative in the sense of not being BTC anymore).  off chain systems don't inflate Bitcoin as those BTC deposited at a gox lumped address, for example, still exist on the Bitcoin blockchain.  the orderbooks can do their stuff but it is not inflationary to Bitcoin.

FTFY.

Off chain systems can be equally speculative and drain away value in very much the same way as sidechains would.

Additionally, bitcoins locked on sidechains exist in the same way those deposited at gox do. In fact, considering they can be algorithmically pegged and claimed on the mainchain they are even more real than the BTC at gox.

In both cases, inflation off the mainchain can not affect the mainchain so I'm not sure what you are getting at.

How were you able to somehow deceive all of the people in this thread into thinking you were somehow someway an intelligent person  Huh

This stuff you are saying right now is downright embarassing.

this is where you are very wrong.

the SPVproof allows a transformation of BTC to all manner of speculative assets by allowing an offramp to these speculative SC's with opaque ledgers and insecurity. this does 2 things; drains value from Bitcoin itself and increases attacks while on this insecure SC.  this is a totally different situation from a gox general deposit address which still exists on the Bitcoin blockchain and even if hacked just moves those BTC to the hackers new address. 
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man, you are one insolent kid.

i keep emphasizing the SPVproof b/c that is indeed what i'm against b/c it changes source, not SC's in general.  you're unable to ascertain that given all the posts i've made about this?  sheesh.

federated servers aren't really even on my radar as ppl are free to do whatever they want in their private communities as long as they don't come begging to change source to profit from their business model.

and you are one senile grampa

what you keep emphasizing is your opposition to the detachement of the BTC asset from the BTC mainchain onto potentially speculative sidechains that could drain away the value off the BTC mainchain. I hope you did not forget this. If so I can gladly pull up your numerous posts that clearly imply this mechanism would "destroy Bitcoin"

what I keep emphasizing, which you are seemingly to stupid or disingenuous to comprehend, is that federated servers do exactly this.

it has never been a debate about changing the source code or not. so unless you are trying to move the goal post ONCE AGAIN, then at least make at attempt at being honest.

you concern is Bitcoin's Sound Money property.

my answer to your concern is you should see your bitcoins RIGHT NOW because SIDECHAINS using a federated model are this danger you so very much fear


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man, you are one insolent kid.

i keep emphasizing the SPVproof b/c that is indeed what i'm against b/c it changes source, not SC's in general.  you're unable to ascertain that given all the posts i've made about this?  sheesh.

federated servers aren't really even on my radar as ppl are free to do whatever they want in their private communities as long as they don't come begging to change source to profit from their business model.

and you are one senile grampa

what you keep emphasizing is your opposition to the detachement of the BTC asset from the BTC mainchain onto potentially speculative sidechains that could drain away the value off the BTC mainchain. I hope you did not forget this. If so I can gladly pull up your numerous posts that clearly imply this mechanism would "destroy Bitcoin"

what I keep emphasizing, which you are seemingly to stupid or disingenuous to comprehend, is that federated servers do exactly this.

it has never been a debate about changing the source code or not. so unless you are trying to move the goal post ONCE AGAIN, then at least make at attempt at being honest.

you concern is Bitcoin's Sound Money property.

my answer to your concern is you should see your bitcoins RIGHT NOW because SIDECHAINS using a federated model are this danger you so very much fear



no, that's just been your misperception of my argument.  it's ALWAYS been about changing source code.
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this is where you are very wrong.

the Federated model SIDECHAINS allows a transformation of BTC to all manner of speculative assets by allowing an offramp to these speculative SC's with opaque ledgers and insecurity. this does 2 things; drains value from Bitcoin itself and increases attacks while on this insecure SC.  this is a totally different situation from a gox general deposit address which still exists on the Bitcoin blockchain and even if hacked just moves those BTC to the hackers new address. 

FTFY, again.

Sure what you describe is true, that is if you believe and trust gox to maintain full reserve. Unfortunately history has shown this to be a very shaky proposition

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this is where you are very wrong.

the Federated model SIDECHAINS allows a transformation of BTC to all manner of speculative assets by allowing an offramp to these speculative SC's with opaque ledgers and insecurity. this does 2 things; drains value from Bitcoin itself and increases attacks while on this insecure SC.  this is a totally different situation from a gox general deposit address which still exists on the Bitcoin blockchain and even if hacked just moves those BTC to the hackers new address.  

FTFY, again.

Sure what you describe is true, that is if you believe and trust gox to maintain full reserve. Unfortunately history has shown this to be a very shaky proposition

i'm not sure what you think you're fixing.

it matters not whether gox maintains full reserve.  whatever BTC got deposited to the general deposit address was always there or got hacked away.  inflation applies to what was happening with goxBTC on the orderbooks which is not the same thing.
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and you are one senile grampa

what you keep emphasizing is your opposition to the detachement of the BTC asset from the BTC mainchain onto potentially speculative sidechains that could drain away the value off the BTC mainchain. I hope you did not forget this. If so I can gladly pull up your numerous posts that clearly imply this mechanism would "destroy Bitcoin"

what I keep emphasizing, which you are seemingly to stupid or disingenuous to comprehend, is that federated servers do exactly this.

it has never been a debate about changing the source code or not. so unless you are trying to move the goal post ONCE AGAIN, then at least make at attempt at being honest.

you concern is Bitcoin's Sound Money property.

my answer to your concern is you should see your bitcoins RIGHT NOW because SIDECHAINS using a federated model are this danger you so very much fear

no, that's just been your misperception of my argument.  it's ALWAYS been about changing source code.

OH IS THAT RIGHT

the basis of my argument is that the BTC unit cannot be separated from its blockchain (mainchain) w/o breaking Bitcoin as Money. imo, sidechains allow this and if you read their whitepaper, their core assumption is that they they can be separated.

Well tough luck brothers, because the BTC unit CAN and WILL be separated from its blockchain (mainchain) by SIDECHAINS running on a federated server model. That very mechanism is possible without any change to the source code.

So...it seems my good man that Bitcoin as Money is broken ALREADY which brings me to ask you......







.... sold your Bitcoins already?

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