Bitcoin Forum
December 05, 2016, 10:47:45 AM *
News: To be able to use the next phase of the beta forum software, please ensure that your email address is correct/functional.
 
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Poll
Question: Will you support Gavin's new block size limit hard fork of 8MB by January 1, 2016 then doubling every 2 years?
1.  yes
2.  no

Pages: « 1 ... 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 [895] 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 ... 1560 »
  Print  
Author Topic: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.  (Read 1804537 times)
tabnloz
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 793


View Profile
November 22, 2014, 12:42:52 AM
 #17881

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit.

Bring On the Currency Wars

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/11/21/bring-on-the-currency-wars/

Finding it hard to stimulate domestic demand through cheap credit in a world of rock bottom interest rates, the next best solution central bankers have settled on is to generate growth by boosting net exports. And the way to do that is to devalue their currencies.

Those Currency Wars are already underway. It's frightening to think of Bitcoin being "weaponised" as a tool in this regard. Imagine a govt acknowledged actively purchasing btc....
1480934865
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1480934865

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1480934865
Reply with quote  #2

1480934865
Report to moderator
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1480934865
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1480934865

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1480934865
Reply with quote  #2

1480934865
Report to moderator
1480934865
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1480934865

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1480934865
Reply with quote  #2

1480934865
Report to moderator
1480934865
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1480934865

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1480934865
Reply with quote  #2

1480934865
Report to moderator
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
November 22, 2014, 12:51:23 AM
 #17882

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit.

Bring On the Currency Wars

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/11/21/bring-on-the-currency-wars/

Finding it hard to stimulate domestic demand through cheap credit in a world of rock bottom interest rates, the next best solution central bankers have settled on is to generate growth by boosting net exports. And the way to do that is to devalue their currencies.

Those Currency Wars are already underway. It's frightening to think of Bitcoin being "weaponised" as a tool in this regard. Imagine a govt acknowledged actively purchasing btc....

what's so frightening?  this is how we go to The Moon:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2248419

Preserve Bitcoins Sound Money Function!!!
NewLiberty
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1064


Gresham's Lawyer


View Profile WWW
November 22, 2014, 01:01:53 AM
 #17883

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit.

Bring On the Currency Wars

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/11/21/bring-on-the-currency-wars/

Finding it hard to stimulate domestic demand through cheap credit in a world of rock bottom interest rates, the next best solution central bankers have settled on is to generate growth by boosting net exports. And the way to do that is to devalue their currencies.

Those Currency Wars are already underway. It's frightening to think of Bitcoin being "weaponised" as a tool in this regard. Imagine a govt acknowledged actively purchasing btc....

Bitcoin is not really weaponizable in that sense.  It is instead the disarming end of the conflict.
The war is more between the different central banks, and less between the governments.
That people confuse these sadly shows how much Bitcoin is a product of its time.
A country is not its currency.

FREE MONEY1 Bitcoin for Silver and Gold NewLibertyDollar.com and now BITCOIN SPECIE (silver 1 ozt) shows value by QR
Bulk premiums as low as .0012 BTC "BETTER, MORE COLLECTIBLE, AND CHEAPER THAN SILVER EAGLES" 1Free of Government
brg444
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 630

Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks


View Profile
November 22, 2014, 01:16:55 AM
 #17884

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit:

Stocks denominated in and tradeable in BTC. Everybody wins.

You speak as if it can't accomodate both aspects. Stubbornly dishonest you are, cypher.

"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
ayrusnethan
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 5


View Profile
November 22, 2014, 01:20:23 AM
 #17885

but it is not a significant change to invest on gold. Huh

BTC:- 1NE2nnBDA3f5Py4BqeE92Xzqdy7A5tvE6D
ssmc2
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 840


View Profile
November 22, 2014, 01:20:29 AM
 #17886


what's so frightening?  this is how we go to The Moon:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2248419

Preserve Bitcoins Sound Money Function!!!

"In order to mitigate the potential impact of Bitcoin, the meaning of Article IV, Section 5 could be expanded to include digital currencies. Rather than limiting its scope to currencies used by colonies or overseas territories, the IMF could use Article IV Section 5 to label Bitcoin—or other digital currencies like it—a “separate currency.”159 As such, the IMF could require member nations to pay part of their subscription quota with Bitcoins.160 This would require member nations to purchase Bitcoins independently. They would then contribute that amount to the IMF’s general fund as part of their quota, receiving an amount of their own currency or special drawing rights equal to the value of the Bitcoins paid in exchange.161 In short, expanding the meaning of Article IV, Section 5 would grant the IMF a means of indirectly accumulating Bitcoins through its members."- from the paper quoted above

 Grin
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
November 22, 2014, 01:21:10 AM
 #17887

if $350 holds, bears need to look the hell out:

cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
November 22, 2014, 01:23:53 AM
 #17888

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit:

Stocks denominated in and tradeable in BTC. Everybody wins.

You speak as if it can't accomodate both aspects. Stubbornly dishonest you are, cypher.

no, the SC stocks would have their own market exchange prices in USD which would detract from that fiat going straight into the BTC currency unit itself.  they're dilutional to the BTC price.
ssmc2
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 840


View Profile
November 22, 2014, 01:25:18 AM
 #17889

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit:

Stocks denominated in and tradeable in BTC. Everybody wins.

You speak as if it can't accomodate both aspects. Stubbornly dishonest you are, cypher.

no, the SC stocks would have their own market exchange prices in USD which would detract from that fiat going straight into the BTC currency unit itself.  they're dilutional to the BTC price.

XCP would seem like the solution here.
brg444
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 630

Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks


View Profile
November 22, 2014, 01:35:37 AM
 #17890

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit:

Stocks denominated in and tradeable in BTC. Everybody wins.

You speak as if it can't accomodate both aspects. Stubbornly dishonest you are, cypher.

no, the SC stocks would have their own market exchange prices in USD which would detract from that fiat going straight into the BTC currency unit itself.  they're dilutional to the BTC price.

 Roll Eyes

How exactly do you propose that stocks be issued or bought in your schizo-utopia?


"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
November 22, 2014, 01:38:02 AM
 #17891

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit:

Stocks denominated in and tradeable in BTC. Everybody wins.

You speak as if it can't accomodate both aspects. Stubbornly dishonest you are, cypher.

no, the SC stocks would have their own market exchange prices in USD which would detract from that fiat going straight into the BTC currency unit itself.  they're dilutional to the BTC price.

 Roll Eyes

How exactly then do you propose that stocks be issued or bought in your schizo-utopia?



how the hell do i know?  Blockstream can't or won't issue a business plan.  it's up to them to figure out how to provide the 10x return to their $21M investor money by selling SC's to all manner of buyers including gvts.  remember?
brg444
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 630

Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks


View Profile
November 22, 2014, 01:40:36 AM
 #17892

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit:

Stocks denominated in and tradeable in BTC. Everybody wins.

You speak as if it can't accomodate both aspects. Stubbornly dishonest you are, cypher.

no, the SC stocks would have their own market exchange prices in USD which would detract from that fiat going straight into the BTC currency unit itself.  they're dilutional to the BTC price.

 Roll Eyes

How exactly then do you propose that stocks be issued or bought in your schizo-utopia?



how the hell do i know?  Blockstream can't or won't issue a business plan.  it's up to them to figure out how to provide the 10x return to their $21M investor money by selling SC's to all manner of buyers including gvts.  remember?

I was referring to your plan, genius.

When BTC wins and kills fiat currency. How do you trade stocks? Do they stop existing because they "dilute" BTC price?

"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
November 22, 2014, 01:44:41 AM
 #17893

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit:

Stocks denominated in and tradeable in BTC. Everybody wins.

You speak as if it can't accomodate both aspects. Stubbornly dishonest you are, cypher.

no, the SC stocks would have their own market exchange prices in USD which would detract from that fiat going straight into the BTC currency unit itself.  they're dilutional to the BTC price.

 Roll Eyes

How exactly then do you propose that stocks be issued or bought in your schizo-utopia?



how the hell do i know?  Blockstream can't or won't issue a business plan.  it's up to them to figure out how to provide the 10x return to their $21M investor money by selling SC's to all manner of buyers including gvts.  remember?

I was referring to your plan, genius.

When BTC wins and kills fiat currency. How do you trade stocks? Do they stop existing because they "dilute" BTC price?

if Bitcoin ascends to the throne of global reserve currency, stock sales may be denominated in BTC.
brg444
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 630

Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks


View Profile
November 22, 2014, 01:48:41 AM
 #17894

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit:

Stocks denominated in and tradeable in BTC. Everybody wins.

You speak as if it can't accomodate both aspects. Stubbornly dishonest you are, cypher.

no, the SC stocks would have their own market exchange prices in USD which would detract from that fiat going straight into the BTC currency unit itself.  they're dilutional to the BTC price.

 Roll Eyes

How exactly then do you propose that stocks be issued or bought in your schizo-utopia?



how the hell do i know?  Blockstream can't or won't issue a business plan.  it's up to them to figure out how to provide the 10x return to their $21M investor money by selling SC's to all manner of buyers including gvts.  remember?

I was referring to your plan, genius.

When BTC wins and kills fiat currency. How do you trade stocks? Do they stop existing because they "dilute" BTC price?

if Bitcoin ascends to the throne of global reserve currency, stock sales may be denominated in BTC.

Sounds goods. Looks to me like sidechains could be the ideal crypto-platform for such BTC denominated stock market!

"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
brg444
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 630

Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks


View Profile
November 22, 2014, 01:58:57 AM
 #17895

Did gold stop being "Sound Money" when promissary notes arised?

"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
Erdogan
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 714



View Profile
November 22, 2014, 02:01:58 AM
 #17896

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit.

Bring On the Currency Wars

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/11/21/bring-on-the-currency-wars/

Finding it hard to stimulate domestic demand through cheap credit in a world of rock bottom interest rates, the next best solution central bankers have settled on is to generate growth by boosting net exports. And the way to do that is to devalue their currencies.

Those Currency Wars are already underway. It's frightening to think of Bitcoin being "weaponised" as a tool in this regard. Imagine a govt acknowledged actively purchasing btc....

what's so frightening?  this is how we go to The Moon:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2248419

Preserve Bitcoins Sound Money Function!!!

"It highlights the inability of the Fund to intervene in the event of a speculative attack on a currency by Bitcoin users."

Fear has begun, gentlemen.
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
November 22, 2014, 02:02:35 AM
 #17897

Did gold stop being "Sound Money" when promissary notes arised?

comparing gold to Bitcoin is like comparing a horse buggy to a Ferrari.
hdbuck
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1134



View Profile
November 22, 2014, 02:03:12 AM
 #17898

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit.

Bring On the Currency Wars

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/11/21/bring-on-the-currency-wars/

Finding it hard to stimulate domestic demand through cheap credit in a world of rock bottom interest rates, the next best solution central bankers have settled on is to generate growth by boosting net exports. And the way to do that is to devalue their currencies.

Those Currency Wars are already underway. It's frightening to think of Bitcoin being "weaponised" as a tool in this regard. Imagine a govt acknowledged actively purchasing btc....

Bitcoin is not really weaponizable in that sense.  It is instead the disarming end of the conflict.
The war is more between the different central banks, and less between the governments.
That people confuse these sadly shows how much Bitcoin is a product of its time.
A country is not its currency.

hum poor me who thought that was precisely the case for the last couple milleniums.  or could it be the opposite? ^^
maybe we werent developped enough to grasp such novel concept but still you cant make such bold assertion seriously.
brg444
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 630

Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks


View Profile
November 22, 2014, 02:09:53 AM
 #17899

Did gold stop being "Sound Money" when promissary notes arised?

comparing gold to Bitcoin is like comparing a horse buggy to a Ferrari.

I don't know. I'm just playing the empathy card and placing myself in your clown shoes. Huh

Maybe then I can understand your SC breaks BTC "Sound Money" theory


"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
cypherdoc
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1764



View Profile
November 22, 2014, 02:18:42 AM
 #17900

would you prefer that Bitcoin particpate in the coming Currency Wars or get bogged down in trading SC speculative assets directly within the protocol?  remember, you want all this fiat to have to "buy in" to BTC, the currency unit:

Stocks denominated in and tradeable in BTC. Everybody wins.

You speak as if it can't accomodate both aspects. Stubbornly dishonest you are, cypher.

no, the SC stocks would have their own market exchange prices in USD which would detract from that fiat going straight into the BTC currency unit itself.  they're dilutional to the BTC price.

 Roll Eyes

How exactly then do you propose that stocks be issued or bought in your schizo-utopia?



how the hell do i know?  Blockstream can't or won't issue a business plan.  it's up to them to figure out how to provide the 10x return to their $21M investor money by selling SC's to all manner of buyers including gvts.  remember?

I was referring to your plan, genius.

When BTC wins and kills fiat currency. How do you trade stocks? Do they stop existing because they "dilute" BTC price?

if Bitcoin ascends to the throne of global reserve currency, stock sales may be denominated in BTC.

Sounds goods. Looks to me like sidechains could be the ideal crypto-platform for such BTC denominated stock market!

there is no way in hell Wall St would ever market their stocks on a SC before Bitcoin assumes the role of a real worldwide accepted digital currency traded on Forex.  the only way Bitcoin can do that is to remain focused on its sound money function solely, as it is now.

i've said for many years that all this development being wasted on platforms for stocks, bonds, insurance, contracts, altcoins etc is ludicrous and as a result, most investors in the cryptocurrency space will lose money.  it looks like another $21M might just go down the drain.

and that is how you tell we are NOT in a bubble.
Pages: « 1 ... 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 [895] 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 ... 1560 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!