[XMR] Monero Speculation

[TrueCryptonaire]

Hopefully the 20 BTC floor on 0.003 BTC won't break 

Ask not what Monero can do for you but what you can do for Monero, etc. Dont hope for it not breaking, be part of the wall (if you so desire ofc).

The one guy is dumping there - the guy called xhalox or something....?
He is the guy who put sell wall which Warz bought at one shot and put a buy wall instead few days ago.
Don't worry, if he is selling he is simply trying to manipulate the price down. It is important to teach him lesson so that he stops playing.
He is the kind of guy that needs perhaps more than 1 lesson.
Dumping has to be made expensive IMO.

[Gladimor]

Hopefully the 20 BTC floor on 0.003 BTC won't break 

Ask not what Monero can do for you but what you can do for Monero, etc. Dont hope for it not breaking, be part of the wall (if you so desire ofc).

The one guy is dumping there - the guy called xhalox or something....?
He is the guy who put sell wall which Warz bought at one shot and put a buy wall instead few days ago.
Don't worry, if he is selling he is simply trying to manipulate the price down. It is important to teach him lesson so that he stops playing.
He is the kind of guy that needs perhaps more than 1 lesson.
Dumping has to be made expensive IMO.

Someone should write a story on this.

"The War of the Whales"

[TrueCryptonaire]

Hopefully the 20 BTC floor on 0.003 BTC won't break 

Ask not what Monero can do for you but what you can do for Monero, etc. Dont hope for it not breaking, be part of the wall (if you so desire ofc).

The one guy is dumping there - the guy called xhalox or something....?
He is the guy who put sell wall which Warz bought at one shot and put a buy wall instead few days ago.
Don't worry, if he is selling he is simply trying to manipulate the price down. It is important to teach him lesson so that he stops playing.
He is the kind of guy that needs perhaps more than 1 lesson.
Dumping has to be made expensive IMO.

Someone should write a story on this.

"The War of the Whales"

He is the last weak hand in Monero....

[lyth0s]

Okay, so in the polo trollbox and other places, the question often arises "why is XMR price rising". Here are some possibilities in no particular order

XMR provides a valuable service (cryptographically secure private transactions)
active core development
active ecosystem development (openalias)
people that hear about DASH also hear about XMR and decide to buy XMR instead
XMR.to allows you to use XMR wherever XBT (BTC) is accepted
active community (close to instantaneous responses on forums and IRC)
Major XBT market maker said "xmr will now start rising" --And adding to the bid pressure
Recent bitcoin fungibility problem awareness
XMR is undervalued
XMR was artificially undervalued due to BCX attack threat circa 10/2014 --Unlikely to have that long of a lasting effect IMO
Staying power - been around for almost a year (birthday less than 1 month away)
Large consistent market volume
The longest and slowest pump 'n dump is underway (price has been rising for a month)
I think we're exiting the most linear phase of the ~4 year emission curve - already a 3rd (6 million) of available coins have been emitted



false reasons XMR price is rising:
XMR devs convincing people to buy monero: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10893672#msg10893672
Monero is a taco


any other things to add to the list?

I bolded the things that I believe are contributing the price rise the most: DRK/DASH community leaving Dash and coming over to Monero (especially as more of their community learns about their large 'accidental' pre-mine). Increasing bid pressure from whales like Risto and his associates, XMR.to is a very valuable service.

And lets not forget the recent awareness of the fungibility issues that have been brought to light by the Evo/BTC-e combination. And as David Latapie said in his lecture/speech the fact that if you're wealth and bitcoin address is out in the open, suddenly you have something to protect (more than just the value of the coins, but also your reputation, privacy and preventing miners from being censors).

So far my ONLY regret with Monero, was putting some of my valuable monero in that cryptocoin-dice site as an investment instead of just keeping them safe in my wallet

Monero's future is bright

[mrkavasaki]

how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?

[Anon136]

how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?

mymonero.com -> create new account -> login -> account -> account details

write down or print out Account Address (Public), View Key (Private), Spend Key (Private)

[GingerAle]

how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?

wrong thread... but here goes.

If you mean not downloading the blockchain, there's this:

Basically download your distributions package here:
https://getmonero.org/downloads/

and run simplewallet.


more hardcore nuanced ultra cold wallet with tinfoil-hat level paranoia can be achieved this way:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg8246348#msg8246348

To really do it without downloading ANYTHING, there's also a way to do it with mymonero.com surprisingly. Mymonero comes across as a web wallet, but the cryptography is all performed client side - the server doesn't have your private (spend) key. I forget how to do this though. I thought there was a way to disconnect from the net but still have the webpage open or something.

[Gladimor]

how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?

more hardcore nuanced ultra cold wallet with tinfoil-hat level paranoia can be achieved this way

Made me laugh 

[Anon136]

how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?

mymonero.com -> create new account -> login -> account -> account details

write down or print out Account Address (Public), View Key (Private), Spend Key (Private)

and here is a qr code website that works offline (just tested it myself) so you can save the page and use it to make some qr codes for those numbers http://www.qr-code-generator.com/

[mrkavasaki]

how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?

mymonero.com -> create new account -> login -> account -> account details

write down or print out Account Address (Public), View Key (Private), Spend Key (Private)

and here is a qr code website that works offline (just tested it myself) so you can save the page and use it to make some qr codes for those numbers http://www.qr-code-generator.com/

ok thanks, but this is just an onlinewallet right?

[Anon136]

how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?

mymonero.com -> create new account -> login -> account -> account details

write down or print out Account Address (Public), View Key (Private), Spend Key (Private)

and here is a qr code website that works offline (just tested it myself) so you can save the page and use it to make some qr codes for those numbers http://www.qr-code-generator.com/

ok thanks, but this is just an onlinewallet right?

Yeah it is. But as far as i know thats the only way to do it without downloading anything. If you are ok with downloading just a very small file, grab the binaries from here https://getmonero.org/downloads/ all you need to run is simplewallet. You don't need to even run the daemon. You can use steps 6-10 from the link gingerale posted.

6. Don't run the Monero daemon. Instead, using the command line, use simplewallet to create a new wallet.
7. When prompted for a name, give it any name, it doesn't really matter.
8. When prompted for a password, type in like 50 - 100 random characters. Don't worry that you don't know the password, just make it LONG.
9. Write down (on paper) your 24 word mnemonic seed.
10. Write down (on your phone, on paper, on another computer, wherever you want) your address and view key.

Sorry there is no https://www.bitaddress.org analogue. I know that's what you are looking for. Hope we were able to be of some help.

[KLONE]

how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?

mymonero.com -> create new account -> login -> account -> account details

write down or print out Account Address (Public), View Key (Private), Spend Key (Private)

and here is a qr code website that works offline (just tested it myself) so you can save the page and use it to make some qr codes for those numbers http://www.qr-code-generator.com/

ok thanks, but this is just an onlinewallet right?

Yeah it is. But as far as i know thats the only way to do it without downloading anything. If you are ok with downloading just a very small file, grab the binaries from here https://getmonero.org/downloads/ all you need to run is simplewallet. You don't need to even run the daemon. You can use steps 6-10 from the link gingerale posted.

6. Don't run the Monero daemon. Instead, using the command line, use simplewallet to create a new wallet.
7. When prompted for a name, give it any name, it doesn't really matter.
8. When prompted for a password, type in like 50 - 100 random characters. Don't worry that you don't know the password, just make it LONG.
9. Write down (on paper) your 24 word mnemonic seed.
10. Write down (on your phone, on paper, on another computer, wherever you want) your address and view key.

Sorry there is no https://www.bitaddress.org analogue. I know that's what you are looking for. Hope we were able to be of some help.

How do you extract the private keys from a wallet (for importing into mymonero) on a PC that doesn't have the blockchain and client running? Are the keys inside the wallet easy to export? I haven't run monero on my PC for many months.

edit: would this be safe to do, export keys from simplewallet, import into mymonero

[smooth]

How do you extract the private keys from a wallet (for importing into mymonero) on a PC that doesn't have the blockchain and client running? Are the keys inside the wallet easy to export? I haven't run monero on my PC for many months.

edit: would this be safe to do, export keys from simplewallet, import into mymonero

1. You don't need the blockchain to run simplewallet.

2. It is safe to import keys from simplewallet to mymonero if you trust mymonero to be safe.

Another possibility is to use simplewallet (or any of the GUI wallets) with a remote node. In that case you have some trust requirement on the remote node to give you accurate blockchain information and not log/disclose your transactions, but the remote node still can't steal your coins.

[Anon136]

how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?

mymonero.com -> create new account -> login -> account -> account details

write down or print out Account Address (Public), View Key (Private), Spend Key (Private)

and here is a qr code website that works offline (just tested it myself) so you can save the page and use it to make some qr codes for those numbers http://www.qr-code-generator.com/

ok thanks, but this is just an onlinewallet right?

Yeah it is. But as far as i know thats the only way to do it without downloading anything. If you are ok with downloading just a very small file, grab the binaries from here https://getmonero.org/downloads/ all you need to run is simplewallet. You don't need to even run the daemon. You can use steps 6-10 from the link gingerale posted.

6. Don't run the Monero daemon. Instead, using the command line, use simplewallet to create a new wallet.
7. When prompted for a name, give it any name, it doesn't really matter.
8. When prompted for a password, type in like 50 - 100 random characters. Don't worry that you don't know the password, just make it LONG.
9. Write down (on paper) your 24 word mnemonic seed.
10. Write down (on your phone, on paper, on another computer, wherever you want) your address and view key.

Sorry there is no https://www.bitaddress.org analogue. I know that's what you are looking for. Hope we were able to be of some help.

How do you extract the private keys from a wallet (for importing into mymonero) on a PC that doesn't have the blockchain and client running? Are the keys inside the wallet easy to export? I haven't run monero on my PC for many months.

edit: would this be safe to do, export keys from simplewallet, import into mymonero

Looking at some resources after your question, I don't think you can really "extract" your private keys because they are not stored anywhere. They are deterministically derived in real time from your seed which is the 24 word mnemonic. In a sense, the 24 word mnemonic is actually what you are looking for i think. Now there was an old scheme where they were stored in a database. The remnants of this can be found in the rpc commands. You can start the wallet with the argument non-deterministic. You may be able to generate a single use key pair that way but I'm not sure.

I would mess around with it except im not on my linux box at the moment. I think you may just be able to just log into mymonero with your 24 word mnemonic and then pay the 10xmr fee for their server to /rescan the whole blockchain (not something that i can blame them for, thats very processor intensive with monero, much more so than bitcoin).

Anyway sorry i cant be of more help. Worst case is if you cant import it into mymonero you can always import it to simplewallet in the future.

[Anon136]

How do you extract the private keys from a wallet (for importing into mymonero) on a PC that doesn't have the blockchain and client running? Are the keys inside the wallet easy to export? I haven't run monero on my PC for many months.

edit: would this be safe to do, export keys from simplewallet, import into mymonero

1. You don't need the blockchain to run simplewallet.

2. It is safe to import keys from simplewallet to mymonero if you trust mymonero to be safe.

Another possibility is to use simplewallet (or any of the GUI wallets) with a remote node. In that case you have some trust requirement on the remote node to give you accurate blockchain information and not log/disclose your transactions, but the remote node still can't steal your coins.

But what is the actual rpc command to get those keys from simplewallet? I don't see one looking at the list of rpc commands near the top of the source code for simplewallet.cpp.

[smooth]

How do you extract the private keys from a wallet (for importing into mymonero) on a PC that doesn't have the blockchain and client running? Are the keys inside the wallet easy to export? I haven't run monero on my PC for many months.

edit: would this be safe to do, export keys from simplewallet, import into mymonero

1. You don't need the blockchain to run simplewallet.

2. It is safe to import keys from simplewallet to mymonero if you trust mymonero to be safe.

Another possibility is to use simplewallet (or any of the GUI wallets) with a remote node. In that case you have some trust requirement on the remote node to give you accurate blockchain information and not log/disclose your transactions, but the remote node still can't steal your coins.

But what is the actual rpc command to get those keys from simplewallet? I don't see one looking at the list of rpc commands near the top of the source code for simplewallet.cpp.

There is no RPC to retrieve the keys and that would be exceptionally dangerous given how easy it is to accidentally leave a port open.

You are correct that mnemonic is the better/easier way to approach importing.

[Anon136]

How do you extract the private keys from a wallet (for importing into mymonero) on a PC that doesn't have the blockchain and client running? Are the keys inside the wallet easy to export? I haven't run monero on my PC for many months.

edit: would this be safe to do, export keys from simplewallet, import into mymonero

1. You don't need the blockchain to run simplewallet.

2. It is safe to import keys from simplewallet to mymonero if you trust mymonero to be safe.

Another possibility is to use simplewallet (or any of the GUI wallets) with a remote node. In that case you have some trust requirement on the remote node to give you accurate blockchain information and not log/disclose your transactions, but the remote node still can't steal your coins.

But what is the actual rpc command to get those keys from simplewallet? I don't see one looking at the list of rpc commands near the top of the source code for simplewallet.cpp.

There is no RPC to retrieve the keys and that would be exceptionally dangerous given how easy it is to accidentally leave a port open.

You are correct that mnemonic is the better/easier way to approach importing.

For the sake of clarity. Can you simply log into mymonero using a 24 word seed that you generated with your simplewallet and get access to the same "account" (for lack of a better term) on mymonero that you were using on simplewallet?

[smooth]

How do you extract the private keys from a wallet (for importing into mymonero) on a PC that doesn't have the blockchain and client running? Are the keys inside the wallet easy to export? I haven't run monero on my PC for many months.

edit: would this be safe to do, export keys from simplewallet, import into mymonero

1. You don't need the blockchain to run simplewallet.

2. It is safe to import keys from simplewallet to mymonero if you trust mymonero to be safe.

Another possibility is to use simplewallet (or any of the GUI wallets) with a remote node. In that case you have some trust requirement on the remote node to give you accurate blockchain information and not log/disclose your transactions, but the remote node still can't steal your coins.

But what is the actual rpc command to get those keys from simplewallet? I don't see one looking at the list of rpc commands near the top of the source code for simplewallet.cpp.

There is no RPC to retrieve the keys and that would be exceptionally dangerous given how easy it is to accidentally leave a port open.

You are correct that mnemonic is the better/easier way to approach importing.

For the sake of clarity. Can you simply log into mymonero using a 24 word seed that you generated with your simplewallet and get access to the same "account" (for lack of a better term) on mymonero that you were using on simplewallet?

There is an import function. I haven't carefully reviewed it but I believe if you want your old transactions included you have to pay 10 XMR for a blockchain scan but if you want to just use it from that point forward there is no charge.

[xmrnoob]

What's all this about 24 words.  It's 25 on my system.

[GingerAle]

What's all this about 24 words.  It's 25 on my system.

yeah, new version is 25. Old is 24. Those instructions for the tinfoilhat paper wallet are old, but still apply - only difference is # of words. (or its the other way around - regardless, they are compatible - if you upgrade, you can tell it to spit out the seed and bam you get the correct one)

and yes, if you're making a fresh wallet in simplewallet, you can open it on mymonero.com by using the 25 words