[XMR] Monero Speculation

[generalizethis]

The United States is found on the principle that the people have a duty to not allow tyranny. Clearly the current living conditions (in the United States) are far more tyrannical than the ones that forced the independence in 1776, and are listed in the Declaration. If I was American, I would be among the true patriots, following not only the spirit, but also the letter of the Declaration of Independence in not allowing tyranny in my life, and a good place to start is where it is most apparent, in the realm of money.

This is hyperbolic rhetoric, in my opinion, especially with the parenthetical qualification "(in the United States)". In 1776 the people living in the soon-to-be states were paying fealty to a king thousands of miles away, having to let his soldiers stay in their homes, living with no representation, slavery, indentured servitude, and oppression of women, natives, and imported slave labor, etc. Maybe if you left off the qualification you could argue that the USA is now oppressing/tyrannizing people in other countries, but I'd still call that quite a stretch.

So you are saying the USA is not tyrannical?

Pretty much, yes, especially within the context of people living within the United States. I know that's not a popular opinion among the uber-libertarians and crypto-anarchists that tend to be attracted to cryptocurrency, but it's just my opinion. Considering the list of world-powers/super-powers over the last few hundred years, the USA is probably the least tyrannical (maybe if you call the amalgam of countries that make-up the EU a super-power they would be a bit less "tyrannical").

This is so off-topic--yeah, breaking the rules  

America's more like a "lead by the carrot, not by the whip" kinda tyranny. Want a great job, well spend ten years of your life in school and then you can brag to your friends that you made it--and by made it I mean you're working 80 hours a week to pay off the debt that gave you the job you work 80 hours a week at--where can I sign-up? It's like people who want to give up freedoms to save themselves from the terrorist--you're more likely to die from faulty wiring than a terrorist attack (I just made that up), but people will throw away their liberties because they're afraid and no one in power will tell them otherwise.

People can be manipulated by the symbol of success, safety, or a bunch of other crap--hard to call it tyranny (except the unconstitutional data collecting--that's some tyrannical shit), but most of it is more motivation than it is gun in your face get in line and do as I say tyranny. Though Zizek  (I hate Fraudian thought, but Zizek's cool) made the great observation that western democracy is like a dad who asks you to get ready for church; he never forces you but you do it because the threat's implied.

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[GingerAle]

^^ its all an experiment constantly tested through the iterations of time. Cryptocurencies is one such. The fact that the state, and the US as the (I guess?) most statiest of the states, hasn't come down and totally quashed the thing, imo, gives credence to the fact that the modern era is open to adaptable forms of making shit happen.

Pragmatism, not idealism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laoq1eeIUxQ

(thats a link to fitter happier by radiohead btw)

[generalizethis]

^^ its all an experiment constantly tested through the iterations of time. Cryptocurencies is one such. The fact that the state, and the US as the (I guess?) most statiest of the states, hasn't come down and totally quashed the thing, imo, gives credence to the fact that the modern era is open to adaptable forms of making shit happen.

Pragmatism, not idealism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laoq1eeIUxQ

(thats a link to fitter happier by radiohead btw)

Thanks, never heard that one.  

I think it's a carry over from Christianity--the faithful quashing instincts by (faith) will and self-flagellation. Then the psychoanalysts come along and start labeling everything abnormal and telling you your mom's too hot, and then you get to the medicated culture and the doctrine of political correctness. Wait until we fully integrate into cyborg age--as Nick Land said, "Nothing human makes it out of the near-future."

--Muuuhhhhahhhaahaa  

[generalizethis]

Thanks, never heard that one.  

I think it's a carry over from Christianity--the faithful quashing instincts by (faith) will and self-flagellation. Then the psychoanalysts come along and start labeling everything abnormal and telling you your mom's too hot, and then you get to the medicated culture and the doctrine of political correctness. Wait until we fully integrate into cyborg age--as Nick Land said, "Nothing human makes it out of the near-future."

--Muuuhhhhahhhaahaa  

Don't want to go offtopic here, but isn't David a transhumanist? Maybe destiny has greater plans for Monero than we currently envision

edit: It was nice to see a small price increase on Monero b-day, I confess I bought a little

Confirming, David is a transhumanist. If you get into the Internet of things, many describe that it will be one network that the things and finance and data will share, so a way to keep much of that private seems necessary (and this is speculation, so back on topic); you will want billions of things to communicate seamlessly and be able to transact values seamlessly without third parties being able to snoop on things like deliveries, contract details, ect, and while they wouldn't be able to gain specifics off of a public blockchain (other than assets transacted and address--ATM), they would be able to gather intel and most likely be able to make trivial calculations that would be useful in contract negotiations, pricing, and wage comparisons. I'm leaving this as vague as I can because the future has a way of not acting like we suspect, but it's not hard to imagine why a private network would be beneficial for individuals, companies and even governments--I'm pretty sure no government wants to fund covert military actions on a public ledger. And no individual wants his escort service billing history in the hands of his soon to be ex-wife.

[Its About Sharing]

Speaking of Anniversaries, today is a big one - On April 19th 1775:
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-american-revolution-begins

Snippet

At about 5 a.m., 700 British troops, on a mission to capture Patriot leaders and seize a Patriot arsenal, march into Lexington to find 77 armed minutemen under Captain John Parker waiting for them on the town’s common green. British Major John Pitcairn ordered the outnumbered Patriots to disperse, and after a moment’s hesitation the Americans began to drift off the green. Suddenly, the “shot heard around the world” was fired from an undetermined gun, and a cloud of musket smoke soon covered the green. When the brief Battle of Lexington ended, eight Americans lay dead or dying and 10 others were wounded. Only one British soldier was injured, but the American Revolution had begun.

Don't forget what got us here and whatever you all do, don't give up to Tyranny. It is our duty to oppose it for the betterment of our children and the human race as a whole. This is no joke.
These "crazies" running things are not stupid, they are just crazy.    They see they are losing control and are partly running out of time. Hopefully we can combine our hearts
with technology and allow life to live, as opposed to a continuation of the enclosing Police Like War State.

Its about sharing, don't forget.

[Hueristic]

The United States is found on the principle that the people have a duty to not allow tyranny. Clearly the current living conditions (in the United States) are far more tyrannical than the ones that forced the independence in 1776, and are listed in the Declaration. If I was American, I would be among the true patriots, following not only the spirit, but also the letter of the Declaration of Independence in not allowing tyranny in my life, and a good place to start is where it is most apparent, in the realm of money.

This is hyperbolic rhetoric, in my opinion, especially with the parenthetical qualification "(in the United States)". In 1776 the people living in the soon-to-be states were paying fealty to a king thousands of miles away, having to let his soldiers stay in their homes, living with no representation, slavery, indentured servitude, and oppression of women, natives, and imported slave labor, etc. Maybe if you left off the qualification you could argue that the USA is now oppressing/tyrannizing people in other countries, but I'd still call that quite a stretch.

So you are saying the USA is not tyrannical?

Pretty much, yes, especially within the context of people living within the United States. I know that's not a popular opinion among the uber-libertarians and crypto-anarchists that tend to be attracted to cryptocurrency, but it's just my opinion. Considering the list of world-powers/super-powers over the last few hundred years, the USA is probably the least tyrannical (maybe if you call the amalgam of countries that make-up the EU a super-power they would be a bit less "tyrannical").

The world has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the Truth.

[rpietila]

See the list of grievances that sparked the Declaration of Independence.

In the post-9/11 world these sound like somebody getting hurt by evil talk on his way back from the Sunday School...

[cbeast]

Like the heads on pikes of medieval days, bankers put Lincoln, Kennedy, and Jackson's heads on their fiat money.

[iCEBREAKER]

Like the heads on pikes of medieval days, bankers put Lincoln, Kennedy, and Jackson's heads on their fiat money.

The sheeple are fleece and flesh for Babylon.

[McHaggis]

The wedge will resolve in the next couple of days, what do we think are the chances of a large move in either direction?

[rpietila]

As always, it can go up, down, or stay put.

I tend to think that we are in an uptrend, and also at a low end of the trading range, so up is a better chance.

[Anon136]

Another strong wall of support at 0.003. Seen this so many times. Every time it gets torn down in about 10 minutes. Probably going to happen again. But if it doesn't, that means our seller (sellers) may out of ammo. That's the bull run signal I'm looking for. If that wall of support is still there a few hours from now, fasten your seatbelts.

[oblox]

Wasn't there two around .003 and .00299, like 13k and 18k respectively. The latter being flashed and never stayed.

[medusa13]

we need a lot more to break this wedge. wall flashed up to 30k to show strength.
the real 0.00300!!, what a fight for such long time, we should move on soon

up or down? i dont know. yesterday it felt weak and me too, today is a new day.
moving up would be beautiful, the community would have managed to collectively build a nice floor for future adventures <3

but its not done yet..

[dEBRUYNE]

As always, it can go up, down, or stay put.

I tend to think that we are in an uptrend, and also at a low end of the trading range, so up is a better chance.

I personally see this period as a consolidation, which will, after some time, continue the bull trend (the top line of the descending triangle is getting very close to the current price). Also, for Monero in general I would not like to see a break of 0.0028 (which is a quadruple bottom at the moment). Breaking this will probably result in a sharp correction and thus a decline in confidence. Furthermore, in my opinion, a bulltrend gives more incentive to actually build the economy surrounding the coin.

@ oblox, that is indeed correct.

[Anon136]

we need a lot more to break this wedge. wall flashed up to 30k to show strength.
the real 0.00300!!, what a fight for such long time, we should move on soon

up or down? i dont know. yesterday it felt weak and me too, today is a new day.
moving up would be beautiful, the community would have managed to collectively build a nice floor for future adventures <3

but its not done yet..

Ha! This is begging for some sort of meme. We have been fighting at 0.00300 for so long it really does feel like the Battle of Thermopylae.

[mrkavasaki]

i am still waiting for some cheap moneroj

[EvanMon]

i am still waiting for some cheap moneroj

This is about as cheap as monero has ever been. We were very briefly as low as around 25 cents USD but are now hovering around 65-70 cents. I purchased some last summer in the $2.00-$3.00 range when Bitcoin was around $600 and XMR traded around .004-.005. How much cheaper can you ask for?

[rpietila]

I would not like to see a break of 0.0028 (which is a quadruple bottom at the moment). Breaking this will probably result in a sharp correction and thus a decline in confidence.

I can't wait for the break of that one, and hopefully it will go all the way to 0.0018..

Market... 

[dEBRUYNE]

i am still waiting for some cheap moneroj

This is about as cheap as monero has ever been. We were very briefly as low as around 25 cents USD but are now hovering around 65-70 cents. I purchased some last summer in the $2.00-$3.00 range when Bitcoin was around $600 and XMR traded around .004-.005. How much cheaper can you ask for?

He has an agenda:

Sold all my XMR. i will buy back at 0.0020-0.0015

Btw mrkavasaki, this is not an ad hominum, I just think selling in this range isn't a good idea  

But let's see what the market has in store for us.