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April 07, 2015, 12:27:12 PM
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People who run around killing other people, when they know that it is going to cause problems for them in the future with governments of the people they kill, simply are crazy. And they are even crazier when the blow themselves up in the name of Allah, just to kill of some non-Muslims


you know, you are actually very right about this. because ive have been doing some research on google and

here is what i found out :

What Jihad IS NOT!

If you open a modern Oxford English dictionary, you would probably

find the definition of Jihad as “a holy war undertaken by Muslims against

non-believers”. This is a very poor definition.  Before trying to define what

Jihad is, we should first define what it is NOT.

Jihad is NOT Holy War

Jihad is NOT blowing up one’s self  (Suicide is a sin in Islam)

Hadith  : Shahi Bukhari.
Book 23. Funerals (Al-Janaa'iz).

Volumn 002, Book 023, Hadith Number 445.
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Narated By Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak : The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "Whoever intentionally swears falsely by a religion other than Islam, then he is what he has said, (e.g. if he says, 'If such thing is not true then I am a Jew,' he is really a Jew). And whoever commits suicide with piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire." Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, "A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him."

Jihad is NOT killing innocent people

Jihad is NOT flying a plane into a building packed with civilians

Jihad is NOT fighting out of anger and hatred

Jihad is NOT killing others just because they don’t agree with you

Jihad is NOT killing others just because they are not Muslims

The real meaning of Jihad

Jihad is an Arabic word from the root Jee Ha Da. It literally means to

struggle or strive. Jihad is struggling or striving in the way or sake of

Allah. Jihad takes a very important status in the doctrine of Islam and is

one of the basic duties for every Muslim.

Though, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the term Holy War. Such

a term, or its equivalent doesn’t exist in the Islamic doctrine. The Christian

Crusaders in the mid-ages invented this ideology of Holy War.

There is nothing “Holy” about wars. Wars only involve killings and disasters!

Jihad has many forms,

Jihad of the heart/soul (jihad bin nafs/qalb)

Jihad by the tongue (jihad bil lisan)

Jihad by the pen/knowledge (jihad bil qalam/ilm)

Jihad by the hand (jihad bil yad)

Jihad by the sword (jihad bis saif)

Jihad of the Heart/Soul

Jihad of the heart/soul; in Arabic: jihad bin nafs/qalb. It is referred as

“the greater Jihad” (al-jihad al-akbar).

It is one’s inner struggle of good against evil; refraining oneself from the

whispers of Shaitan (Satan).

This process involves allowing Islam to transform one’s soul to achieving

internal peace; and forgoing the hatred and anger.

“Jihad is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may

be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a

thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.”

{Quran, Surah 2: Al-Baqarah, Verse 216; Mohsin Translation}

Jihad by the tongue

Jihad by the tongue; in Arabic: jihad bil lisan.

It is defending Islam and spreading Islam by scholarly lectures, speeches

and debates. It often overlaps with Da’awah (invitation to Islam, or

spreading the message of Islam).

In The Last Sermon, Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) asked the

listeners whether he has passed on the message to them; and they

confirmed affirmatively.

Then the Messenger of Allah ordered all those present today to pass on

the same message to those who are not here today; and the last person to

hear the message should understand it better than the people here.

Jihad by the pen/knowledge

Jihad by the pen/knowledge; in Arabic: jihad bil qalam/ilm.

This form of Jihad involves scholarly research of Islam in aiding the

spread and defence of Islam; and publishing written articles in clearing

misconceptions and correction lies against Islam.

Examples of such Jihad include the research and discovery of scientific

evidences, literature miracles and mathematical miracles from the Quran.

Messenger of Allah once stated that the ink of a scholar is holier than the

blood of a martyr; and one who is reading looks handsome in front of

Allah.

Jihad by the hand

Jihad by the hand; in Arabic: jihad bil yad.

This is a Jihad of action rather than words. At certain areas, it overlaps

with Zakart (charity) and Hajj (pilgrimage).

Some of its examples include giving charity to the poor and needy,

performing Hajj or Ummrah, helping those who need help, saving

people’s lives, etc. These are more of physical deeds instead of words.

“A person whose feet become dust ridden because of [striving] in

the way of Allah will never be touched by the flames of Hell”

{ Sahih Bukhari 2811}

The most beautiful of all Jihad is a perfect Hajj. It involves testing of

one’s patience and piety to the apex. The whole period of Hajj, with just

one intention and aim, worshiping Allah!

Jihad by the sword

Jihad by the sword; in Arabic: jihad bis saif. In contrary to Jihad of the

heart/soul; this form of Jihad is referred as “the lesser jihad” (al-jihad alasghar).

Sometimes it is necessary to undertake Jihad by the sword. This would

include usage of arsenals and engaging in a combat. This could be simply

a bunch of freedom fighters or an organised campaign of army.

Jihad by the sword is use of arms to engage into a combat. It is not

misuse of arms to create violence.

There are only two situations were Jihad by the sword is allowed to be

undertaken.

1) For self-defence. When someone attacks you or when your

nation has been attacked. Engaging into combat due to self defence.

2) Fighting against evil and unjust. It is also a sin if a Muslim

sees unjust been done, capable of stopping it, yet not doing

anything about it. This can include war on drug, war on child

labour as well as war on terror!

The American administration today seems to be launching a global war

on terror, but are they the first to launch the war on terror?

The Muslims already announced the war on terror fourteen centuries ago,

under the name of Jihad bis saif!

There are many rules and limitations when engaging in combat under the

title of Jihad. For example, civilians are not to be harmed; trees are not to

be cut down; asylum should be granted to surrendering enemy soldiers;

etc.

“And if anyone of the Mushrikun seeks your protection then grant

him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and then

escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men

who know not.”

{Quran, Surah 9: At-Taubah, Verse 6; Mohsin Translation}

The above verse states that when an enemy soldier surrenders during a

battle, the Muslim soldiers must grant asylum and in addition, escort him

to safety!

The treatment for prisoners of war is also clearly stated in the Quran.

Prisoners of war under Muslim prisons are to eat, drink and dress the

same Muslim soldiers eat, drink and dress.

And even under the unfortunate event of shortage of food, it is the

prisoners who are to eat first before the Muslim soldiers guarding them!

A closer look at the Sword

Despite the fact that Jihad by the sword is the lesser Jihad, it is the only

form of Jihad that most of the people in the world perceive Jihad as.

This is unfortunate, especially for the Muslims. Many so-called “teachers

of Islam” have been misusing this to assemble their so-called “holy

army” to fight their so-called “holy war”.

But you can’t blame the religion for what a few of its people do. In every

society, there is a black sheep.

Self-Defence:

Since Jihad by the sword has been overwhelmingly magnified in the

wrong angle, let’s take a closer look at it in the right angle. What is

wrong with Jihad by the sword if it is fighting for self-defence?

In the early years of revelation of Islam in Mecca, Muslims were not

granted permission from Allah to fight. So the Muslims suffered both

moral and physical humiliations from the non-Muslims in Mecca.

The first verses regarding Jihad were then revealed allowing Muslims to

undertake self-defence.

“And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress

not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.

{Quran, Surah 2: Al-Baqarah, Verse 190; Mohsin Translation}

Many of the Quranic verses are being quoted out of context to

wrongly justify terrorist actions. Yet, most of those verses are only

referring to a particular situation; such as Battle of Badr or Battle of

Uhud.

Intention and war against Satan:

“Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who

disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satan. So fight against the friends

of Satan. Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan.”

{Quran, Surah 4: An-Nisa, Verse 76; Mohsin Translation}

Now the second question is, what is wrong in fighting against evil and

liberating people from sufferings?

“Once a person came to the Prophet (sws) and said that some people

fight for the spoils of war, some for fame and some to show off

their valour; he then asked the Prophet (sws): “Which one of them

fights in the way of Allah”. The Prophet (sws) replied: “Only that

person fights in the way of Allah who sets foot in the battlefield to

raise high the name of Allah”.

{ Sahih Bukhari 2810}

Who is a Holy Warrior?

According to the Quran, a martyr who died in the way of Jihad is

promised Paradise. But what are the criteria of martyr, or in other words,

what are the criteria of a Holy Warrior undertaking the True Jihad?

The most famous of all Hadith is the one regarding everything we do are

judged by our intensions; so as it is mentioned in the previous chapter.

So who is an example of a Holy Warrior?

Ali bin Abu Talib, cousin of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w) and the fourth

Caliph of the Islamic Ummah is a good example.

During one of the battles, Ali was about to give a deathblow to an enemy

soldier. Just then, that enemy soldier spat at Ali. Ali then suddenly

stopped, threw down his sword and refused to kill that enemy soldier.

After the battle, Ali’s soldiers asked Ali why he suddenly stopped

and refused to kill that enemy soldier on the battlefield.

Ali explained that he got angry when that enemy soldier spat at him. So

if he had killed that enemy soldier right then, he would be killing out of

his own anger and no longer fighting for Justice. In the sight of Allah, he

would then be no different from a murderer.

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April 07, 2015, 01:00:18 PM
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I finally got you, right? So, now to promote your pagan ideals, you simply write a bunch of stuff to hide the truth of the things that I say. And you double-space it so that it takes up more space than ever... all just to hide the sense that I make.

Islam is a pagan, heathen religion... just as ignorant as any religion among the tribes of New Guinea, or the jungles of the Amazon. There is only ONE thing that makes Islam work. This is the fact that Islam is violent.

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April 07, 2015, 01:15:37 PM
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You must backup your claims with things from Qur'an or Hadiths. You are only telling "it is violent".

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April 07, 2015, 01:17:31 PM
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So many posts about this question but I think question is completely wrong.
People can hate other people, not religions or faith.
We have, for example, Catholics, Muslims and Jews who can love and respect people from other faiths, and Catholics, Muslims and Jews who who can't.
Is this because of their faith, some religious book or because of their character, way of life, tradition?
Not easy matter, really but surely we shouldn't generalize people according to their religion, race, nationality, sex etc.


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April 07, 2015, 01:32:18 PM
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I finally got you, right? So, now to promote your pagan ideals, you simply write a bunch of stuff to hide the truth of the things that I say. And you double-space it so that it takes up more space than ever... all just to hide the sense that I make.

Islam is a pagan, heathen religion... just as ignorant as any religion among the tribes of New Guinea, or the jungles of the Amazon. There is only ONE thing that makes Islam work. This is the fact that Islam is violent.

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actually it was quoted from a website. and not double spaced as you say

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April 07, 2015, 01:34:50 PM
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So many posts about this question but I think question is completely wrong.
People can hate other people, not religions or faith.
We have, for example, Catholics, Muslims and Jews who can love and respect people from other faiths, and Catholics, Muslims and Jews who who can't.
Is this because of their faith, some religious book or because of their character, way of life, tradition?
Not easy matter, really but surely we shouldn't generalize people according to their religion, race, nationality, sex etc.



i actually like what you said, you cannot blame a religion for the actions of its people. and you cannot blame people for actions of other people from the same religion. regardless which religion they are..

but some people see it like this :

war - muslims/ islam
killing - muslims/ islam
bombs - muslims/ islam
threats - muslims/ islam
fish dies in the ocean - muslims/ islam

we are near to hear this too :  microsoft got hacked - muslims/ islam

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April 07, 2015, 01:52:06 PM
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So many posts about this question but I think question is completely wrong.
People can hate other people, not religions or faith.
We have, for example, Catholics, Muslims and Jews who can love and respect people from other faiths, and Catholics, Muslims and Jews who who can't.
Is this because of their faith, some religious book or because of their character, way of life, tradition?
Not easy matter, really but surely we shouldn't generalize people according to their religion, race, nationality, sex etc.



i actually like what you said, you cannot blame a religion for the actions of its people. and you cannot blame people for actions of other people from the same religion. regardless which religion they are..

but some people see it like this :

war - muslims/ islam
killing - muslims/ islam
bombs - muslims/ islam
threats - muslims/ islam
fish dies in the ocean - muslims/ islam

we are near to hear this too :  microsoft got hacked - muslims/ islam

You cannot blame a religion for the actions of its people, except Islam. Why? Because Muhammad knew there would be people like you and the terrorists that would come along if he wrote the Quran like he did. So, he wrote it like he did because he knew there would be people like you and the terrorists. So in the case of Islam, you can blame the religion for the actions of its people. Otherwise Muhammad wouldn't have written the Quran like he did, and you and the terrorists wouldn't be part of Islam.

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April 07, 2015, 02:01:41 PM
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So many posts about this question but I think question is completely wrong.
People can hate other people, not religions or faith.
We have, for example, Catholics, Muslims and Jews who can love and respect people from other faiths, and Catholics, Muslims and Jews who who can't.
Is this because of their faith, some religious book or because of their character, way of life, tradition?
Not easy matter, really but surely we shouldn't generalize people according to their religion, race, nationality, sex etc.



i actually like what you said, you cannot blame a religion for the actions of its people. and you cannot blame people for actions of other people from the same religion. regardless which religion they are..

but some people see it like this :

war - muslims/ islam
killing - muslims/ islam
bombs - muslims/ islam
threats - muslims/ islam
fish dies in the ocean - muslims/ islam

we are near to hear this too :  microsoft got hacked - muslims/ islam

You cannot blame a religion for the actions of its people, except Islam. Why? Because Muhammad knew there would be people like you and the terrorists that would come along if he wrote the Quran like he did. So, he wrote it like he did because he knew there would be people like you and the terrorists. So in the case of Islam, you can blame the religion for the actions of its people. Otherwise Muhammad wouldn't have written the Quran like he did, and you and the terrorists wouldn't be part of Islam.

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Let me correct you HERE. Muhammad (S.A.W) Did not Wrote the Quran. He is the messenger of ALLAH. And ALLAH Wrote the quran.

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April 07, 2015, 02:03:51 PM
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So many posts about this question but I think question is completely wrong.
People can hate other people, not religions or faith.
We have, for example, Catholics, Muslims and Jews who can love and respect people from other faiths, and Catholics, Muslims and Jews who who can't.
Is this because of their faith, some religious book or because of their character, way of life, tradition?
Not easy matter, really but surely we shouldn't generalize people according to their religion, race, nationality, sex etc.



i actually like what you said, you cannot blame a religion for the actions of its people. and you cannot blame people for actions of other people from the same religion. regardless which religion they are..

but some people see it like this :

war - muslims/ islam
killing - muslims/ islam
bombs - muslims/ islam
threats - muslims/ islam
fish dies in the ocean - muslims/ islam

we are near to hear this too :  microsoft got hacked - muslims/ islam

You cannot blame a religion for the actions of its people, except Islam. Why? Because Muhammad knew there would be people like you and the terrorists that would come along if he wrote the Quran like he did. So, he wrote it like he did because he knew there would be people like you and the terrorists. So in the case of Islam, you can blame the religion for the actions of its people. Otherwise Muhammad wouldn't have written the Quran like he did, and you and the terrorists wouldn't be part of Islam.

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Let me correct you HERE. Muhammad (S.A.W) Did not Wrote the Quran. He is the messenger of ALLAH. And ALLAH Wrote the quran.

and its not basically writing as we know it. its called revelation

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April 07, 2015, 02:12:29 PM
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So many posts about this question but I think question is completely wrong.
People can hate other people, not religions or faith.
We have, for example, Catholics, Muslims and Jews who can love and respect people from other faiths, and Catholics, Muslims and Jews who who can't.
Is this because of their faith, some religious book or because of their character, way of life, tradition?
Not easy matter, really but surely we shouldn't generalize people according to their religion, race, nationality, sex etc.



i actually like what you said, you cannot blame a religion for the actions of its people. and you cannot blame people for actions of other people from the same religion. regardless which religion they are..

but some people see it like this :

war - muslims/ islam
killing - muslims/ islam
bombs - muslims/ islam
threats - muslims/ islam
fish dies in the ocean - muslims/ islam

we are near to hear this too :  microsoft got hacked - muslims/ islam

You cannot blame a religion for the actions of its people, except Islam. Why? Because Muhammad knew there would be people like you and the terrorists that would come along if he wrote the Quran like he did. So, he wrote it like he did because he knew there would be people like you and the terrorists. So in the case of Islam, you can blame the religion for the actions of its people. Otherwise Muhammad wouldn't have written the Quran like he did, and you and the terrorists wouldn't be part of Islam.

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Well I don't want to believe that a religion can teach its followers to do bad things, but the acts done by the followers of the Islam make me believe so.
Statistically speaking, you are correct. Followers of Islam can actually be blamed for terrorism(I also blame Americans for that) and as followers of Islam are radical then there is no one but Islam itself to be blamed.
Stats show that neither Christians, Jews, Hindus etc etc are so radical as Islamists.
And there is a thing that I've observed, Muslims have a funda of increasing their population to at least 30% of a nation's population and then they all start what we have seen that they do.

Stay hungry. Stay foolish.
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April 07, 2015, 02:16:23 PM
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So many posts about this question but I think question is completely wrong.
People can hate other people, not religions or faith.
We have, for example, Catholics, Muslims and Jews who can love and respect people from other faiths, and Catholics, Muslims and Jews who who can't.
Is this because of their faith, some religious book or because of their character, way of life, tradition?
Not easy matter, really but surely we shouldn't generalize people according to their religion, race, nationality, sex etc.



i actually like what you said, you cannot blame a religion for the actions of its people. and you cannot blame people for actions of other people from the same religion. regardless which religion they are..

but some people see it like this :

war - muslims/ islam
killing - muslims/ islam
bombs - muslims/ islam
threats - muslims/ islam
fish dies in the ocean - muslims/ islam

we are near to hear this too :  microsoft got hacked - muslims/ islam

You cannot blame a religion for the actions of its people, except Islam. Why? Because Muhammad knew there would be people like you and the terrorists that would come along if he wrote the Quran like he did. So, he wrote it like he did because he knew there would be people like you and the terrorists. So in the case of Islam, you can blame the religion for the actions of its people. Otherwise Muhammad wouldn't have written the Quran like he did, and you and the terrorists wouldn't be part of Islam.

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Let me correct you HERE. Muhammad (S.A.W) Did not Wrote the Quran. He is the messenger of ALLAH. And ALLAH Wrote the quran.

and its not basically writing as we know it. its called revelation
Doesn't matter and it doesn't change anything.

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April 07, 2015, 02:21:21 PM
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So many posts about this question but I think question is completely wrong.
People can hate other people, not religions or faith.
We have, for example, Catholics, Muslims and Jews who can love and respect people from other faiths, and Catholics, Muslims and Jews who who can't.
Is this because of their faith, some religious book or because of their character, way of life, tradition?
Not easy matter, really but surely we shouldn't generalize people according to their religion, race, nationality, sex etc.



i actually like what you said, you cannot blame a religion for the actions of its people. and you cannot blame people for actions of other people from the same religion. regardless which religion they are..

but some people see it like this :

war - muslims/ islam
killing - muslims/ islam
bombs - muslims/ islam
threats - muslims/ islam
fish dies in the ocean - muslims/ islam

we are near to hear this too :  microsoft got hacked - muslims/ islam

You cannot blame a religion for the actions of its people, except Islam. Why? Because Muhammad knew there would be people like you and the terrorists that would come along if he wrote the Quran like he did. So, he wrote it like he did because he knew there would be people like you and the terrorists. So in the case of Islam, you can blame the religion for the actions of its people. Otherwise Muhammad wouldn't have written the Quran like he did, and you and the terrorists wouldn't be part of Islam.

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Let me correct you HERE. Muhammad (S.A.W) Did not Wrote the Quran. He is the messenger of ALLAH. And ALLAH Wrote the quran.

Thank you for confirming that Allah is not God. Just because the word "Allah" is the Arab word for "God," when the word "Allah" or the word "God" are referring to Islam, they are not God.

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Well I don't want to believe that a religion can teach its followers to do bad things, but the acts done by the followers of the Islam make me believe so.
Statistically speaking, you are correct. Followers of Islam can actually be blamed for terrorism(I also blame Americans for that) and as followers of Islam are radical then there is no one but Islam itself to be blamed.
Stats show that neither Christians, Jews, Hindus etc etc are so radical as Islamists.
And there is a thing that I've observed, Muslims have a funda of increasing their population to at least 30% of a nation's population and then they all start what we have seen that they do.

Well, I understand how you think. You can't prove Qur'an and Hadiths are violent and also you can't prove all the terrorists are muslims. This is only a media FUD. I can even kill hudreds of them or make simple bombing and put a christian text or something and tell I am Christian. I can easily brainwash hundreds of kids and tell to do the same. Does this mean Christianity is violent?

 This is were your thinking is wrong. If there is violence in Qur'an and Hadiths, then okay Islam is violent. Only because medias tell there was bomb blast and it was muslims. How do they know it was muslims? Did they ask? Was it because they saw something which is related to Islam? Can't persons who hate do the same thing?

 If you still tell, "no no no..., they are muslims, I am sure", number of terrorists are less than 1/30 or 1/40 or more than that than the whole muslims. Yet you say Islam is violent and also I can show you many muslims, probably more than terrorists, who do great things to society. Yet you say, "Islam is violent".

 You should understand media is influencing you, not your real "thinking".

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Well I don't want to believe that a religion can teach its followers to do bad things, but the acts done by the followers of the Islam make me believe so.
Statistically speaking, you are correct. Followers of Islam can actually be blamed for terrorism(I also blame Americans for that) and as followers of Islam are radical then there is no one but Islam itself to be blamed.
Stats show that neither Christians, Jews, Hindus etc etc are so radical as Islamists.
And there is a thing that I've observed, Muslims have a funda of increasing their population to at least 30% of a nation's population and then they all start what we have seen that they do.

Well, I understand how you think. You can't prove Qur'an and Hadiths are violent and also you can't prove all the terrorists are muslims. This is only a media FUD. I can even kill hudreds of them or make simple bombing and put a christian text or something and tell I am Christian. I can easily brainwash hundreds of kids and tell to do the same. Does this mean Christianity is violent?

 This is were your thinking is wrong. If there is violence in Qur'an and Hadiths, then okay Islam is violent. Only because medias tell there was bomb blast and it was muslims. How do they know it was muslims? Did they ask? Was it because they saw something which is related to Islam? Can't persons who hate do the same thing?

 If you still tell, "no no no..., they are muslims, I am sure", number of terrorists are less than 1/30 or 1/40 or more than that than the whole muslims. Yet you say Islam is violent and also I can show you many muslims, probably more than terrorists, who do great things to society. Yet you say, "Islam is violent".

 You should understand media is influencing you, not your real "thinking".
Well its not really all media FUD.
What about people like Akbaruddin Owaisi(don't tell you didn't listen to his speech, you did) who give hate speeches on the name of religion and hundreds of Muslims clap for him?
What about the Maulanas who stand in the middle of Delhi and proclaim that "He's a terrorist, Catch him if you can"?
What about the people who behead others and tell that their religion told them to do so? What about when you slaughter Goats on your festivals?
Are these the trait of a peace loving religion?
You can bomb a million and blame that a Christian did it. But that Christian will never accept that he did it and will never say that he did it for his religion.
But if you put a blame on a Muslim(first of all you don't need to , cause they themselves accept it), then most probably he'll accept that he did and will justify himself by saying that his religion told him to do so. That's where the differncw is between a Muslim and people following other religions. You yourself claim that you guys are bad, media doesn't need to spread FUD for it.

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Well I don't want to believe that a religion can teach its followers to do bad things, but the acts done by the followers of the Islam make me believe so.
Statistically speaking, you are correct. Followers of Islam can actually be blamed for terrorism(I also blame Americans for that) and as followers of Islam are radical then there is no one but Islam itself to be blamed.
Stats show that neither Christians, Jews, Hindus etc etc are so radical as Islamists.
And there is a thing that I've observed, Muslims have a funda of increasing their population to at least 30% of a nation's population and then they all start what we have seen that they do.

Well, I understand how you think. You can't prove Qur'an and Hadiths are violent and also you can't prove all the terrorists are muslims. This is only a media FUD. I can even kill hudreds of them or make simple bombing and put a christian text or something and tell I am Christian. I can easily brainwash hundreds of kids and tell to do the same. Does this mean Christianity is violent?

 This is were your thinking is wrong. If there is violence in Qur'an and Hadiths, then okay Islam is violent. Only because medias tell there was bomb blast and it was muslims. How do they know it was muslims? Did they ask? Was it because they saw something which is related to Islam? Can't persons who hate do the same thing?

 If you still tell, "no no no..., they are muslims, I am sure", number of terrorists are less than 1/30 or 1/40 or more than that than the whole muslims. Yet you say Islam is violent and also I can show you many muslims, probably more than terrorists, who do great things to society. Yet you say, "Islam is violent".

 You should understand media is influencing you, not your real "thinking".
Even you say that no. of terrorists are 1/30 of the total Muslims then congratulations, you just accepted that approx. 67Million of the Muslims are terrorists.

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April 07, 2015, 03:04:14 PM
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Even you say that no. of terrorists are 1/30 of the total Muslims then congratulations, you just accepted that approx. 67Million of the Muslims are terrorists.

See? I said an example and it was less than 1/30 or 1/40 or more than that. But you just took the lowest and said I said it. It probably was my mistake in lack of explanation, however, I think it was clear that it was an example. Hope you understand!

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Thank you for confirming that Allah is not God. Just because the word "Allah" is the Arab word for "God," when the word "Allah" or the word "God" are referring to Islam, they are not God.

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Hi BADecker Can you Please really explain to Me what is point in this post. I cant really Understand from your this post. What you actually want to post. i SAW No point in your Posts.

Well I don't want to believe that a religion can teach its followers to do bad things, but the acts done by the followers of the Islam make me believe so.
Statistically speaking, you are correct. Followers of Islam can actually be blamed for terrorism(I also blame Americans for that) and as followers of Islam are radical then there is no one but Islam itself to be blamed.
Stats show that neither Christians, Jews, Hindus etc etc are so radical as Islamists.
And there is a thing that I've observed, Muslims have a funda of increasing their population to at least 30% of a nation's population and then they all start what we have seen that they do.

Well, I understand how you think. You can't prove Qur'an and Hadiths are violent and also you can't prove all the terrorists are muslims. This is only a media FUD. I can even kill hudreds of them or make simple bombing and put a christian text or something and tell I am Christian. I can easily brainwash hundreds of kids and tell to do the same. Does this mean Christianity is violent?

 This is were your thinking is wrong. If there is violence in Qur'an and Hadiths, then okay Islam is violent. Only because medias tell there was bomb blast and it was muslims. How do they know it was muslims? Did they ask? Was it because they saw something which is related to Islam? Can't persons who hate do the same thing?

 If you still tell, "no no no..., they are muslims, I am sure", number of terrorists are less than 1/30 or 1/40 or more than that than the whole muslims. Yet you say Islam is violent and also I can show you many muslims, probably more than terrorists, who do great things to society. Yet you say, "Islam is violent".

 You should understand media is influencing you, not your real "thinking".

Yeah You are right MZ. Media ask from The dead person that from which religion you belongs to. And they said Im Muslim because I have beared. Really. Only Muslim have beared? If some one dont shave for a month or 2 I think He will have beared and you people will say him that he is a Muslim. ?

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April 07, 2015, 03:05:57 PM
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Well I don't want to believe that a religion can teach its followers to do bad things, but the acts done by the followers of the Islam make me believe so.
Statistically speaking, you are correct. Followers of Islam can actually be blamed for terrorism(I also blame Americans for that) and as followers of Islam are radical then there is no one but Islam itself to be blamed.
Stats show that neither Christians, Jews, Hindus etc etc are so radical as Islamists.
And there is a thing that I've observed, Muslims have a funda of increasing their population to at least 30% of a nation's population and then they all start what we have seen that they do.

Well, I understand how you think. You can't prove Qur'an and Hadiths are violent and also you can't prove all the terrorists are muslims. This is only a media FUD. I can even kill hudreds of them or make simple bombing and put a christian text or something and tell I am Christian. I can easily brainwash hundreds of kids and tell to do the same. Does this mean Christianity is violent?

 This is were your thinking is wrong. If there is violence in Qur'an and Hadiths, then okay Islam is violent. Only because medias tell there was bomb blast and it was muslims. How do they know it was muslims? Did they ask? Was it because they saw something which is related to Islam? Can't persons who hate do the same thing?

 If you still tell, "no no no..., they are muslims, I am sure", number of terrorists are less than 1/30 or 1/40 or more than that than the whole muslims. Yet you say Islam is violent and also I can show you many muslims, probably more than terrorists, who do great things to society. Yet you say, "Islam is violent".

 You should understand media is influencing you, not your real "thinking".
Well its not really all media FUD.
What about people like Akbaruddin Owaisi(don't tell you didn't listen to his speech, you did) who give hate speeches on the name of religion and hundreds of Muslims clap for him?
What about the Maulanas who stand in the middle of Delhi and proclaim that "He's a terrorist, Catch him if you can"?
What about the people who behead others and tell that their religion told them to do so? What about when you slaughter Goats on your festivals?
Are these the trait of a peace loving religion?
You can bomb a million and blame that a Christian did it. But that Christian will never accept that he did it and will never say that he did it for his religion.
But if you put a blame on a Muslim(first of all you don't need to , cause they themselves accept it), then most probably he'll accept that he did and will justify himself by saying that his religion told him to do so. That's where the differncw is between a Muslim and people following other religions. You yourself claim that you guys are bad, media doesn't need to spread FUD for it.
In this very thread is the proof of individuals believing in Islam advocating violence.  Look back in the pages, you will see Zakir himself defending the practice of stoning adulteresses, cutting off hands and feet of thieves as somehow "sanctioned by Islam."
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Well I don't want to believe that a religion can teach its followers to do bad things, but the acts done by the followers of the Islam make me believe so.
Statistically speaking, you are correct. Followers of Islam can actually be blamed for terrorism(I also blame Americans for that) and as followers of Islam are radical then there is no one but Islam itself to be blamed.
Stats show that neither Christians, Jews, Hindus etc etc are so radical as Islamists.
And there is a thing that I've observed, Muslims have a funda of increasing their population to at least 30% of a nation's population and then they all start what we have seen that they do.

Well, I understand how you think. You can't prove Qur'an and Hadiths are violent and also you can't prove all the terrorists are muslims. This is only a media FUD. I can even kill hudreds of them or make simple bombing and put a christian text or something and tell I am Christian. I can easily brainwash hundreds of kids and tell to do the same. Does this mean Christianity is violent?

 This is were your thinking is wrong. If there is violence in Qur'an and Hadiths, then okay Islam is violent. Only because medias tell there was bomb blast and it was muslims. How do they know it was muslims? Did they ask? Was it because they saw something which is related to Islam? Can't persons who hate do the same thing?

 If you still tell, "no no no..., they are muslims, I am sure", number of terrorists are less than 1/30 or 1/40 or more than that than the whole muslims. Yet you say Islam is violent and also I can show you many muslims, probably more than terrorists, who do great things to society. Yet you say, "Islam is violent".

 You should understand media is influencing you, not your real "thinking".
Well its not really all media FUD.
What about people like Akbaruddin Owaisi(don't tell you didn't listen to his speech, you did) who give hate speeches on the name of religion and hundreds of Muslims clap for him?
what about the Maulanas who stand in the middle of Delhi and proclaim that "He's a terrorist, Catch him if you can"?
What about the people who behead others and tell that their religion told them to do so? What about when you slaughter Goats on your festivals?
Are these the trait of a peace loving religion?
You can bomb a million and blame that a Christian did it. But that Christian will never accept that he did it and will never say that he did it for his religion.
But if you put a blame on a Muslim(first of all you don't need to , cause they themselves accept it), then most probably he'll accept that he did and will justify himself by saying that his religion told him to do so. That's where the differncw is between a Muslim and people following other religions. You yourself claim that you guys are bad, media doesn't need to spread FUD for it.


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What about people like Akbaruddin Owaisi(don't tell you didn't listen to his speech, you did) who give hate speeches on the name of religion and hundreds of Muslims clap for him?

obvious reasons, politics
http://www.ndtv.com/opinion/is-asaduddin-owaisi-re-inventing-himself-703307


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what about the Maulanas who stand in the middle of Delhi and proclaim that "He's a terrorist, Catch him if you can"?

hatred, common in all religion and atheism too.

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What about the people who behead others and tell that their religion told them to do so?
i put an orange turban on my head and chant some gayatri mantras and behead someone, i am a hindu who is a terrorist.. right?

i put a cross around my neck and behead people, i am a christian who is a terrorist, right??

those people are just media based videos showing that, most of the did not really happen at all. and most of them are not from the teachings of the Quraan. individuals acting upon their own will and misguidance.


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What about when you slaughter Goats on your festivals?

should everybody become veggies? when mcdonald just do the mass killing of animals, its business. when muslim slaughter an animal in the less painful way possible((scientifically proven)) for food, its violence.

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Are these the trait of a peace loving religion?

you are taking the offence of a small group of people and blaming the religion for that. i can do the same with all religion and with atheisms too.

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You can bomb a million and blame that a Christian did it. But that Christian will never accept that he did it and will never say that he did it for his religion.
But if you put a blame on a Muslim(first of all you don't need to , cause they themselves accept it), then most probably he'll accept that he did and will justify himself by saying that his religion told him to do so.

when osama bin laden was said to be behind the attack of the 9/11 he riposted few days later denying the offence, and the tape is still at CNN's

when isreal put the blame on the muslims for the killing of 3 teenager and then israel responded by destroying and bombing palestine, the palestinians said its not them who did it.
people might say but isreal cannot kill their own people to wage a war.. well matter of fact, they can. govt conspiracy is common with usa and israel.. 9/11 itself was a conspiracy and i can give you thousands of quotes, videos, facts, scientific proofs that it was not the "arabs" who did it, not they were muslims. but pure US politics.

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April 07, 2015, 03:24:36 PM
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@thebitcoinquiz.com: To your previous post: If a few psychos said I am doing it for my religion and said I am muslim, then whole Islam violent? We eat goats, we don't throw them away. Besides, we are doing it for remembering Ibrahim aka Abraham(PBUH). There are many religions which sacrifices animals and throw them away. We aren't doing things like that. You didn't understand what I said about the drama, right? I was saying that I can brainwash people and also hire many people to bomb some places and tell them I am Christian and I am doing it for my religion. It is similar to what the psychos claims. And also, they are being brainwashed when they are children and they train them and when they mature give bombs and all tell them to hatred things. You think they are muslims just because they and medias say they are?

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