This is on the website:

Why is the pool amount so low? The pool has been funded with $100,000 from other unrelated projects and the site owners personal funds to kick start the relaunch of the site. The pool amount will increase each month from any profit BetKing makes and also amounts added from the site owners other projects when possible. The goal is for the pool to be able to buy back all remaining BKB tokens so that previous token holders don't lose money from their initial purchase. This will take some time so token holders should have reasonable expectations.

Where did you as a site owner get funding from? The view will always be you siphoned-off phenomenal amounts of money from the 2017 ICO therefore to re-invest those funds by claiming they are your own does not bode well. If however you have sold all/part of the website you should be transparent.

The irony is, if you had not returned investor funds in the original website (for the sake of going alone to pocket the cash in the ICO as your personal piggy-bank), the betking website would today be a high-flying highly respected website with investors lining up to be a part of it.

If you are looking to re-launch the website with investors being made whole again and (there are no strings attached) that is the goal you mentioned above but what is the long-term vision for the website?

He is back posting in the forum again after yet another re-launch: BetKing.io Token Refunds - $44k refunded since going live again

If you still have your 7278 BKB from the 2017 Betking scam you should be able to get $664.34 compared to the approximate $700+ you were originally owed (according to the rates given above in the post). The question is, will he pay his debt to you?

It will not be an easy matter to start litigation, especially if you are on your own. If there were a group of victims (or alleged victims) getting to together to fight a joint case it would have been easier. Do you live in a country where you can walk in to a police station to make a report or will the process begin online?

If you feel Casino Guru have not been useful/fair in your case that should not really negate the fact there are many cases where they have arbitrated without complaint from the accused or accuser. Also, they have concluded in favour of the complainant on many occasions.

In the general sense, I am very much against affiliate or referral links to be used in websites that claim they are 100% impartial when they arbitrate (or when they compare websites). If you feel there is something untoward going you will need to provide tangible evidence if you intend to gather support for your claim otherwise it will be something you will continue to believe but most others will not. I do not think FatFork is passionate in defending them, he is stating what you should accept as the obvious.

It is pleasing to read you have been generous from your side to allow the complainant the opportunity to withdraw $279.60 before closing his account. It seems the decision was basically goodwill without accepting any wrongdoing therefore thank you for bringing this issue to an end.

I am generally against submitting any form of documents to any website for any reason because of risks of it ending up being sold on the black market if the website gets hacked or if there are duplicitous and unscrupulous people operating the websites who intend to sell it on. Keeping that in mind, you have uploaded documents for verification therefore hopefully you will be able to withdraw and then find a different website to place your bets on.

It was a generous gesture of goodwill by FortuneJack, hopefully you will alter the title of the thread and lock it once you withdraw the funds.

Is it possible for you to post that proof? There is no need to start talking about international lawsuits but if you post evidence here you will bring credibility to your claim about being scammed. Unfortunately on many occasions people make scam accusations but do not provide evidence at any stage therefore their claim does not get the traction they had hoped for.

These are the images you posted in the OP but did not display because of your rank.

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I cannot see any reason to suspect collusion between any casino or online gambling website and Casino Guru. FatFork has basically covered the situation with detailed explanations aptly therefore you should not look to link any form of collusion when it does not exist. Also, just because a forum member presents an alternative vision to the one that you hold, it does not mean they are on the payroll of those that you are making allegations against. Please refrain form that form of conduct.

Whether it is a crypto exchange or anything else, it will be highly unlikely that a scammer will return any of the funds he has scammed. If they had any decency or even a small amount of compassion, they would never steal from people in the first place (especially not from those tat trusted the scammer in the first place).

Did you keep any details of the funds you sent to scammer TillKoeln? Do you have proof you deposited funds on his scam exchange?

As intelligent as he might be, maybe Cuban did download malware/fake software himself and if time is of the essence it makes it more probable. Still, it would be almost unreal if he was doing many of those things himself. Does he not have a team of assistants to run various chores and errands for him? Considering his wealth, that is something that usually comes with the trappings of being rich.

The OP obviously knows what he is doing, this is probably supposed to be a joke of some sort yet at the same time if someone performed a miracle and gave him the loan, he would be ecstatic. This cannot be his first or only account here 

You already have created a thread here: I NEED 30 THOUSAND DOLLARS IN TERM. The response you received was quite clear therefore to see you copy/paste the same request in a loan thread is a surprise.

 

The OP has been made aware his request will not be granted therefore he should lock the thread. By all means if he manages to get hold of acceptable collateral then maybe his loan will be granted but until then, he should lock the thread instead.

Gambling without real risk but with anticipated excess return is the dream of many. Though volatility comes in different shapes and sizes it would be far too big a risk if all the lenders in the forum did exactly what the OP was looking to do (borrow in USD$ equivalent in BTC but repay specifically in USD$). The lenders market would collapse especially if over-confident loanees were timing the transaction to take place at a time of an expected bull run.

This very good advice. I hope the OP will take notice and at least try to build up his account here unless it was created specifically for this loan request. As for the bike, that is something he should seriously consider.

It certainly seems that way. How on earth he concluded he would get a loan (by creating a new account) is beyond me. There is a chance he is an alt-account being used to fish but I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Well, he is stating he needs to buy a car and he is already in possession of a car therefore the collateral (for non-forum) is there. You are correct, he should go to the bank or elsewhere using the car as collateral either to fix the existing car or to buy another. Until then, public transport will have to suffice.

As for calling members out for allegedly having low IQ as well as using profanities and insults and some rather questionable conduct showing extremely bad judgement and choice of words (as can be seen for the feedback I left for him), that is documented and is not in dispute.

Having said that, I would question any knowledge of cyber security being attributed to him. There is one thread which he created in January 2023 over a year after an existing thread Cybersecurity subforum was created on the same topic. The OP in his thread was filled with copy/paste from other members. It had next to nothing in original text with his own words to demonstrate his knowledge in that field. When I went through his post history I did not see anything that demonstrated he knew anything at all about cyber security. I think you may have given him a little too much unnecessary and undeserved credit.

The amount ($429 being asked for) is strange, that is clear but what cannot be overlooked is the fact that no matter what the OP states the loan request seems to be made with the intention/expectation that he will benefit from Bitcoin provided by someone else.

As stated in the OP, if the loan is in BTC and the repayment is in USD it means at a time of an expected pump the loanee will be gambling with the lenders money and if there is money to be made only one party will be benefitting and that would be highly disproportionately. Though not impossible to find, if a lender loaned out in BTC and received repayments in USD$ it would be their decision and not all too common. What became common over time was the use of USDT to make and receive loans thus eliminating issues but it is being actively avoided as an option by the OP.

I guess the risk factor involved could bring bad news for the OP if things went the other way therefore the question remains: why try to set up a loan in this way when the lenders operate in a different way.

As the way things currently stand, yes you have no hope for getting a loan as a new member because you are unable to provide collateral. I am sure you understand the reasons why any lender would find it difficult to give any newbie a loan.

You are right about financial ruin. Even with the best of intentions regarding repayment, it is clear to see if the loan was ever to be repaid the cycle of debt would have to continue and that is no way to live.

I am sure there are cases where the cost of living has escalated to the point where people are suffering unimaginably but drowning more and more in debt is not sustainable in the long-term and cannot be the answer. The danger would be for people looking for short-term loans to repay other outstanding debts but then getting caught in that cycle of borrowing more to repay other debts.

I have added correct links to the images the OP posted. The chat can be seen inside the thread now without the need for visiting external links and they should provide clarity over what was being communicated via the chat.

It is important for them to have chatted with the OP in a timely manner even if they sent messages to update stating "we are still waiting for news and will update you as soon as we can". I think for the chat operators to go in to total silence-mode will be seen as unprofessional . If you read through, you will notice the OP was getting frustrated towards the end but when it comes to $25,000 that was bound to happen when he was not even being told something simple such as an estimated time.

I hope they manage to resolve this as soon as possible because it is not nice to be in limbo, not even knowing if will see any of that money.


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If all the value of all those coins and tokens he was hosting (on his scam unnamed.exchange website) were to be added up, it would probably come to a small fortune otherwise scammer TillKoeln would not have taken steps to exit-scam. In any other scenario a genuine business operator would either close down after returning funds to rightful owners or seek investment to keep the business functioning or sell a failing business.

When it is specifically about crypto it is these types of people that give the whole community a bad name. When scammer TillKoeln announced his exchange was allegedly hacked, this is what I posted back in February 2022:

Partially paying a small number of victims is usually a trait employed by scammers to put off any legal action because they claim they are trying to return funds to victims after alleged hacks.

What is it unnamed.exchange has plastered on the home page of the website: The world's most advanced crypto trading platform

Who in their right mind would believe such nonsense?

Everybody should enjoy the forum within the rules, I think you will not find a single member that would disagree with the above comment.

Ulterior motives, perhaps? Or some experience where he was either accused or simply witnessed names being thrown around.

The OP clearly is unhappy at aspects of way many of us view some members. Of the list he made which seems to detail ways in which some forum members frown upon certain activities or certain members, he has made a fairly accurate case to demonstrate members can be viewed unfairly and accused of being the very things he listed. However, the irony is that with what he quoted he has made the case those accurate assumptions when being accused of being the very things he is complaining about.

It is an unfortunate fact but if the OP wants members to have freedom to express their own opinions without restriction to please others, then that same freedom works both ways.

When you put it in that manner, it really does bring a new angle to the word vanity when used in context of the reputation thread. There is much more to life to look forward to rather than to be held back by vanities.

I would like to echo the sentiments you have expressed so elegantly about condolences for the family. Also your advice to never spare feelings for those that you love and to tell them you love them otherwise there might not be another opportunity.