In this thread it has not been made clear what The fate of the leftover fund will be. The Whirlwind forum representative has was last online in July 2023. Has there been any comment or statement made in any thread in the forum that can indicate what is happening (or will happen) to the remaining escrow funds?

These are the games taking place tomorrow Saturday 23rd September 2023:

Crystal Palace vs Fulham
Luton Town vs Wolverhampton Wanderers
Manchester City vs Nottingham Forest
Brentford vs Everton 
Burnley vs Manchester United

Manchester City look as though they could run riot against Nottingham Forest. Manchester United have lost four of their opening six games this season, could Ten Hag be out of a job before the Christmas break? I have a feeling Everton will struggle against Brentford.

Maybe you have checked it out by now. When someone says they are convinced something is a scam yet want to promote it for money and no other reason, there is a problem. Had he backed it up with another nonsensical statement stating the same, it would have been a negative tag. He reluctantly started twisting words and trying to make it that he did not mean that therefore it was a neutral tag.

It is laughable but I am not surprised by his conduct.


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The post deleted from PytagoraZ is here. Let him make his signature quota elsewhere unless he posts something worthy of not being deleted.

It will be locked as I created it 14 days and posted three times 14 days ago and and not again till now. I basically allowed others to post their views though I did expect at least one troll appearing. Anyway, this thread can remain as a reference for the obsessive conduct by BenCodie after he received a neutral tag.

And let this thread be yet another reminder how a troll is still trying to attack me by using the Goebbels doctrine of propaganda: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it". Pathetic but not entirely unexpected conduct by BitcoinGirl.Club again.

Yes the competition is far too big, betking would not be able to compete with the likes of Stake or any other casino that was spending phenomenal amounts on marketing.

If memory serves correct, one of the problems you faced was that you had freelancers logging in to the server to carry out changes and one of the hacks which has the bankroll allegedly stolen was blamed on that hack (but it was very suspiciously and conveniently timed). It would be virtually impossible for any online gambling/betting website or casino to be a one person operation and be successful. It would require several people with their own qualities and attributes to make it work.

Here you have stated BetKing is now privately bankrolled therefore who has bankrolled it?

You do realise you or anyone else for that matter do not need this forum to save a struggling brand or to launch a new business. As much as I like and appreciate it, the world is bigger than this forum. You should not be blaming the decline of betking.io on anything that was posted here. People asked legitimate questions, there were valid concerns.

You sometimes explained in passing but never explained with evidence where the $6.5+ million from the 2017 ICO actually went. If half was for the bankroll (and we saw no evidence of that), where did the other $3.25+ million go? There was never an audit or publishing of accounts and you simply took it upon yourself you did not need to show evidence. You cannot blame anybody for refusing to accept your word.

I was unsure about source of the buyback of $44,000 worth of tokens therefore asked. I did not mean to belittle the amount involved, I used it as a comparator against the $2 million. If this is being funded by your income from other places/ventures, why are you doing it when the end goal seems to be closing down the website for good after all tokens are purchased back?

That part I understand, they can however play with existing tokens which they could lose. If they win, payout will be based on the crypto game they won.

This is a defeatist attitude one would not expect from you. What has changed for you to hold this view?

The question arises: why have you given up on it? (I am not saying you should or should not give up on betking because my perspective as a non-token holder would depend purely on what you claim your intention is).

What has changed this time in the latest attempt to re-launch. If it is purely to allow those holding BKB/BKT then it has to be funded from somewhere. Who are the private bankroll investors and how much have they actually invested? Has that diluted your shareholding/ownership?

There is confusion because there is a contradiction. On one hand you say you have no interest in making a profit from the website and also you would close it after the last token was refunded yet you said it is privately funded. Can you elaborate because if $2 million worth of tokens were outstanding and only $44,000 was recently refunded (or brought back in the sale), how do you intend to make all token holders whole again? Do you have $2 million worth of investment to pay all those funds back if token holders try to sell them back to you?

Unfortunately, being sincere will not help get a loan unless you provide valid collateral or at least have a forum account that has some history.

If you do not have enough funding to launch your ideas and projects I think the best thing to do would be give up and try a different business instead. If you do not have financial backing from either your own savings or from investors, you should seriously consider letting go of the idea.

Having a new account or multiple accounts while asking for loans is definitely extremely suspicious therefore that is yet another reason why this particular loan request will not be fulfilled by anyone. Think about it, would you give $30,000 to a stranger who created a newbie account specifically to ask for a loan?

This is on the website:

Why is the pool amount so low? The pool has been funded with $100,000 from other unrelated projects and the site owners personal funds to kick start the relaunch of the site. The pool amount will increase each month from any profit BetKing makes and also amounts added from the site owners other projects when possible. The goal is for the pool to be able to buy back all remaining BKB tokens so that previous token holders don't lose money from their initial purchase. This will take some time so token holders should have reasonable expectations.

Where did you as a site owner get funding from? The view will always be you siphoned-off phenomenal amounts of money from the 2017 ICO therefore to re-invest those funds by claiming they are your own does not bode well. If however you have sold all/part of the website you should be transparent.

The irony is, if you had not returned investor funds in the original website (for the sake of going alone to pocket the cash in the ICO as your personal piggy-bank), the betking website would today be a high-flying highly respected website with investors lining up to be a part of it.

If you are looking to re-launch the website with investors being made whole again and (there are no strings attached) that is the goal you mentioned above but what is the long-term vision for the website?

He is back posting in the forum again after yet another re-launch: BetKing.io Token Refunds - $44k refunded since going live again

If you still have your 7278 BKB from the 2017 Betking scam you should be able to get $664.34 compared to the approximate $700+ you were originally owed (according to the rates given above in the post). The question is, will he pay his debt to you?

It will not be an easy matter to start litigation, especially if you are on your own. If there were a group of victims (or alleged victims) getting to together to fight a joint case it would have been easier. Do you live in a country where you can walk in to a police station to make a report or will the process begin online?

If you feel Casino Guru have not been useful/fair in your case that should not really negate the fact there are many cases where they have arbitrated without complaint from the accused or accuser. Also, they have concluded in favour of the complainant on many occasions.

In the general sense, I am very much against affiliate or referral links to be used in websites that claim they are 100% impartial when they arbitrate (or when they compare websites). If you feel there is something untoward going you will need to provide tangible evidence if you intend to gather support for your claim otherwise it will be something you will continue to believe but most others will not. I do not think FatFork is passionate in defending them, he is stating what you should accept as the obvious.

It is pleasing to read you have been generous from your side to allow the complainant the opportunity to withdraw $279.60 before closing his account. It seems the decision was basically goodwill without accepting any wrongdoing therefore thank you for bringing this issue to an end.

I am generally against submitting any form of documents to any website for any reason because of risks of it ending up being sold on the black market if the website gets hacked or if there are duplicitous and unscrupulous people operating the websites who intend to sell it on. Keeping that in mind, you have uploaded documents for verification therefore hopefully you will be able to withdraw and then find a different website to place your bets on.

It was a generous gesture of goodwill by FortuneJack, hopefully you will alter the title of the thread and lock it once you withdraw the funds.

Is it possible for you to post that proof? There is no need to start talking about international lawsuits but if you post evidence here you will bring credibility to your claim about being scammed. Unfortunately on many occasions people make scam accusations but do not provide evidence at any stage therefore their claim does not get the traction they had hoped for.

These are the images you posted in the OP but did not display because of your rank.

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I cannot see any reason to suspect collusion between any casino or online gambling website and Casino Guru. FatFork has basically covered the situation with detailed explanations aptly therefore you should not look to link any form of collusion when it does not exist. Also, just because a forum member presents an alternative vision to the one that you hold, it does not mean they are on the payroll of those that you are making allegations against. Please refrain form that form of conduct.

Whether it is a crypto exchange or anything else, it will be highly unlikely that a scammer will return any of the funds he has scammed. If they had any decency or even a small amount of compassion, they would never steal from people in the first place (especially not from those tat trusted the scammer in the first place).

Did you keep any details of the funds you sent to scammer TillKoeln? Do you have proof you deposited funds on his scam exchange?

As intelligent as he might be, maybe Cuban did download malware/fake software himself and if time is of the essence it makes it more probable. Still, it would be almost unreal if he was doing many of those things himself. Does he not have a team of assistants to run various chores and errands for him? Considering his wealth, that is something that usually comes with the trappings of being rich.

The OP obviously knows what he is doing, this is probably supposed to be a joke of some sort yet at the same time if someone performed a miracle and gave him the loan, he would be ecstatic. This cannot be his first or only account here 

You already have created a thread here: I NEED 30 THOUSAND DOLLARS IN TERM. The response you received was quite clear therefore to see you copy/paste the same request in a loan thread is a surprise.

 

The OP has been made aware his request will not be granted therefore he should lock the thread. By all means if he manages to get hold of acceptable collateral then maybe his loan will be granted but until then, he should lock the thread instead.

Gambling without real risk but with anticipated excess return is the dream of many. Though volatility comes in different shapes and sizes it would be far too big a risk if all the lenders in the forum did exactly what the OP was looking to do (borrow in USD$ equivalent in BTC but repay specifically in USD$). The lenders market would collapse especially if over-confident loanees were timing the transaction to take place at a time of an expected bull run.

This very good advice. I hope the OP will take notice and at least try to build up his account here unless it was created specifically for this loan request. As for the bike, that is something he should seriously consider.

It certainly seems that way. How on earth he concluded he would get a loan (by creating a new account) is beyond me. There is a chance he is an alt-account being used to fish but I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Well, he is stating he needs to buy a car and he is already in possession of a car therefore the collateral (for non-forum) is there. You are correct, he should go to the bank or elsewhere using the car as collateral either to fix the existing car or to buy another. Until then, public transport will have to suffice.