Cricket match prediction discussions

[kro55]

Every player is not going to be able to perform every day. And Pakistan has to understand that really well. If they are expecting Babar Azam, Rizwan, and Shaheen Shah Afridi to perform on a regular basis, they will have some problems. Because they might have one or two off days. Those days, there should have been other players who could take their place and do well for Pakistan. But right now I do not see any players like that. There are players who can come in clutch against weaker opponents like Afghanistan or Bangladesh. But not against those more formidable opponents like Australia, England, or India.

Here, we have to check ground realities as well for Pakistan cricket which is never been ideal as they are completely failure to have good and strong domestic setup which is important for having good and positive results in all levels with their pitches and grounds are also not giving them good facilities which increase players confidence, and they are able to perform good in all environments these all things needs professional approach which is not in current system even Ramiz Raja is doing good things but still it's long way to go for them because of political influence they are not able to have required results.

Right now we have good things happening at the top of India with now they are able to challenge teams like England and Australia which having the strongest system, but Pakistan is completely failure in this with in today match first day of game how things going this is clearly giving all details to every one who is related to cricket.

It will take Pakistan a lot of time to reach the level that India is at right now. Because the Pakistan Cricket Board is going through a lot of problems. And Pakistan is a country that is also not in the best of shape right now. We have been discussing the political problems that Pakistan is going through. I think Pakistan will have to fix domestic cricket first.

If the domestic setup does not get fixed, the players that are getting produced right now will also start decreasing.

If the domestic setup is good, you will at least have a good supply of young cricketers, no matter what happens on the cricket board. And another advantage that India has over Pakistan is that the IPL which allows a lot of young cricketers to show their talent.

[savetheFORUM]

With all due respect but this data is bullshit. ZCB, CSA and BCB are ahead of CA? Don't know what kind of stuff these data providers are smoking.

Cricket Australia recently sold its FTP for like 100s millions of dollars to the Indian market (a historically high price). ECB is about to fetch a more or less similar amount, it's a public record plz google it.

Please point me to one FTP deal PCB signed in a recent year.

With most chances no one can provide perfect data about this all because things are not clear about this all but still after googled we can go with these things which are near the perfect and these all are showing we have India, Australia, England and Pakistan at top four even I have feeling if Pakistan have some stability in economy and political then surely they can go at second spot but good thing happening they are at the fourth spot which is also not bad at all for them.

[Tony116]

Pakistan cricket board has lots of problems to deal with. And the fact that Pakistan could not host international cricket for a long time has been a big problem for them. Obviously when a country is not being able to host international cricket, and that has also been the case for so long, the parents of a lot of young kids who are interested in cricket are obviously more likely to say that cricket is not the right path to choose. At least not professionally. And that also causes a lot of problems.
Another thing that I am not very sure about but I have my doubts is that the Pakistan cricket board has a few corrupt individuals. They are also not helping the improvement of Pakistan cricket. And another thing is that as long as the selectors are not going to be unbiased, the national team is not going to improve.
Pakistan has produced a lot of world-class players. But I agree with you that the setup of Pakistan cricket is not very good, to be honest. And domestic setup is obviously not as it should be.

The country had a big break in hosting tournaments. The same keeps them down. They're are at the beginning of building new cricketing infrastructure within the country. As mentioned the domestic cricket is good, but not to the level of neighbouring countries. The Pakistan Super League is another setback, taking the revenue into consideration the importance might've moved towards it. Corruption is all around and there will be corrupt hands that truly destruct the progress.

It is true that when a country is away from international cricket for a long time then the common people do not have confidence in that country's cricket. Cricket infrastructure continues to crumble. But the situation in Pakistan cricket is slightly different. Even though they can't host any international matches in their own country, they try to cover it abroad. They have managed cricket in Abu Dhabi for almost a long time. All their franchise leagues are conducted at the same venue. They have tried to hold on to their cricket even through tough times. They have also suffered huge financial loss by conducting cricket in a foreign country. But overall they tried to improve from that position.

KennyR, In my opinion, the only thing that is going to disrupt the balance of a cricket board, and the progress of a cricketing country, is corruption. The reason behind this is that it does not matter how many skilled players you have, or how strong your pipeline is. In a situation where there is corrupted personnel in charge of the board, there is no way he will be able to even pick the best players who can help the team do better. It is important to keep in mind that nepotism and favoritism are always going to be a part of this region, especially in this subcontinental region.

[Maidak]

Damn seriously? With all due respect but this data is bullshit. ZCB, CSA and BCB are ahead of CA? Don't know what kind of stuff these data providers are smoking.

Cricket Australia recently sold its FTP for like 100s millions of dollars to the Indian market (a historically high price). ECB is about to fetch a more or less similar amount, it's a public record plz google it.

Please point me to one FTP deal PCB signed in a recent year.

Agreed. Cricfann is not a reliable source, and they seems to have just pulled up random data from somewhere. And net-worth is not a very important metric. I would rather go for annual revenues. Either this data is outright wrong, or outdated. The biggest joke is that Zimbabwe Cricket board is given as richer than Cricket Australia!! ZCB was almost bankrupt a few years back when ICC suspended them. Even now they haven't cleared all of their outstanding dues and debts. And I don't think that CSA is richer than the ECB. ECB is ahead of the other boards (apart from the BCCI) by a large distance.

Honestly, I did not have any idea that the Pakistan Cricket Board was one of the richest. Actually, I did not have any idea about the money that the Pakistan Cricket Board has.
After watching the post made by @CryptoYar I really thought that there was a mistake.
And after that, I actually googled which is the richest cricket board in the world currently. And almost every link that I visited, I saw Pakistan Cricket listed as the fourth.

But at the same time, it is also true that most of those links look like they might not be reliable sources. After checking a little more, I also found out that some of those links are almost 6 months old. Actually, that was the time when Imran Khan was President of Pakistan if I recall correctly. So, it is possible that during that period of time Pakistan had a healthy budget for cricket. But now I highly doubt that they have that type of money.

[Sithara007]

Honestly, I did not have any idea that the Pakistan Cricket Board was one of the richest. Actually, I did not have any idea about the money that the Pakistan Cricket Board has.
After watching the post made by @CryptoYar I really thought that there was a mistake.
And after that, I actually googled which is the richest cricket board in the world currently. And almost every link that I visited, I saw Pakistan Cricket listed as the fourth.

But at the same time, it is also true that most of those links look like they might not be reliable sources. After checking a little more, I also found out that some of those links are almost 6 months old. Actually, that was the time when Imran Khan was President of Pakistan if I recall correctly. So, it is possible that during that period of time Pakistan had a healthy budget for cricket. But now I highly doubt that they have that type of money.

After Rameez Raja took over as the president of the PCB, their financial situation has improved. But even now the ICC funds ($16 million per year) represent more than half of their budget. For countries such as England and Australia, the ICC funds (roughly the same amount as PCB receives), represent a tiny fraction of the overall revenue. The main reason for this lower revenue is the complex TV broadcasting rules in Pakistan, which mandates the content to be shared with national television (PTV). Lack of tours from India is another reason.

[mm2543363580]

After Rameez Raja took over as the president of the PCB, their financial situation has improved. But even now the ICC funds ($16 million per year) represent more than half of their budget. For countries such as England and Australia, the ICC funds (roughly the same amount as PCB receives), represent a tiny fraction of the overall revenue. The main reason for this lower revenue is the complex TV broadcasting rules in Pakistan, which mandates the content to be shared with national television (PTV). Lack of tours from India is another reason.

PCB could pull out of 2023 Asia Cup if tournament is moved out of Pakistan.
This India Pakistan tension is far from being over at-least not under PM Modi government. There are news that India is pulling out from Asia cup and in reply Pakistan not taking part in ODI world cup in India. The only reason is that since India has got good position in ICC and getting huge benefit from IPL thats why its easy for them to skip Pakistan tour.

[CryptoYar]

Damn seriously? With all due respect but this data is bullshit. ZCB, CSA and BCB are ahead of CA? Don't know what kind of stuff these data providers are smoking.

Not sure about Cricket Australia & Cricket South Africa.
according to some sites, Cricket Australia(CA) is at #7 and CSA (Cricket South Africa) is at #2 - on the other hand, some others (CA) is at #2 and CSA at #6.

Buut one thing is perfectly clear that PCB is at #4th with net worth of $55 million.

But even now the ICC funds ($16 million per year) represent more than half of their budget. For countries such as England and Australia, the ICC funds (roughly the same amount as PCB receives), represent a tiny fraction of the overall revenue.

When you compare PCB's revenue with boards like England and Australia, you should not forget that Pakistan was unable to host any series in thier home grounds for a long time. While thats wasn't the case with these two boards.

[BobK71]

After Rameez Raja took over as the president of the PCB, their financial situation has improved. But even now the ICC funds ($16 million per year) represent more than half of their budget. For countries such as England and Australia, the ICC funds (roughly the same amount as PCB receives), represent a tiny fraction of the overall revenue. The main reason for this lower revenue is the complex TV broadcasting rules in Pakistan, which mandates the content to be shared with national television (PTV). Lack of tours from India is another reason.

PCB could pull out of 2023 Asia Cup if tournament is moved out of Pakistan.
This India Pakistan tension is far from being over at-least not under PM Modi government. There are news that India is pulling out from Asia cup and in reply Pakistan not taking part in ODI world cup in India. The only reason is that since India has got good position in ICC and getting huge benefit from IPL thats why its easy for them to skip Pakistan tour.

The behavior of these two countries seems like cricket is their personal property. They see one another country as the enemy. Which I am not aware that any other countries in the world had such a situation with the game. Cricket should be considered a universal game. ICC's should take 0 tolerance policy in this fact. If they force two teams then everything can be clear.

[Naficopa]

After Rameez Raja took over as the president of the PCB, their financial situation has improved. But even now the ICC funds ($16 million per year) represent more than half of their budget. For countries such as England and Australia, the ICC funds (roughly the same amount as PCB receives), represent a tiny fraction of the overall revenue. The main reason for this lower revenue is the complex TV broadcasting rules in Pakistan, which mandates the content to be shared with national television (PTV). Lack of tours from India is another reason.

PCB could pull out of 2023 Asia Cup if tournament is moved out of Pakistan.
This India Pakistan tension is far from being over at-least not under PM Modi government. There are news that India is pulling out from Asia cup and in reply Pakistan not taking part in ODI world cup in India. The only reason is that since India has got good position in ICC and getting huge benefit from IPL thats why its easy for them to skip Pakistan tour.

The behavior of these two countries seems like cricket is their personal property. They see one another country as the enemy. Which I am not aware that any other countries in the world had such a situation with the game. Cricket should be considered a universal game. ICC's should take 0 tolerance policy in this fact. If they force two teams then everything can be clear.

That's right India Pakistan politics and tension always comes in their cricket and that's why their matches are more like a cricket war . Why can't cricket be separated from politics and other tensions ?   How much players get affected by these extra tensions?
Now ICC should strictly deal this matter of Asia Cup and world cup and shouldnot come under pressure of any cricket board.

[Party24*7]

But even now the ICC funds ($16 million per year) represent more than half of their budget. For countries such as England and Australia, the ICC funds (roughly the same amount as PCB receives), represent a tiny fraction of the overall revenue.

When you compare PCB's revenue with boards like England and Australia, you should not forget that Pakistan was unable to host any series in thier home grounds for a long time. While thats wasn't the case with these two boards.

In comparison to Pakistan's Cricket Board, England or Australia's cricket boards generate a lot more revenue than Pakistan's Cricket Board. Due to the fact that Pakistan has not hosted for a very long time. Without that, it would be very difficult for the PCB to generate revenue. There is a possibility that the Pakistan Cricket Board will be able to generate more revenue in the future if PCL becomes more popular. But we all know that PCL is nowhere near built in terms of popularity.

[savetheFORUM]

After Rameez Raja took over as the president of the PCB, their financial situation has improved. But even now the ICC funds ($16 million per year) represent more than half of their budget. For countries such as England and Australia, the ICC funds (roughly the same amount as PCB receives), represent a tiny fraction of the overall revenue. The main reason for this lower revenue is the complex TV broadcasting rules in Pakistan, which mandates the content to be shared with national television (PTV). Lack of tours from India is another reason.

In Pakistan most of the things are never been done on professional basis because mostly we have political influence or personal relationships which are hurting this all badly even in PCB we have too many peoples those are having not experience, but they are sitting on high profile seats and taking good salaries for nothing because there is no check and balance system with all is having personal interests with few lobbies are also having their influence line long time competition Lahore and Karachi based lobbies mostly try to have their own peoples in better place just because of this we have weak financial system and many other problems which are creating things which are never been ideal for progress of the game and for increase of income and profit.

[doomloop]

India Pakistan politics and tension always comes in their cricket and that's why their matches are more like a cricket war . Why can't cricket be separated from politics and other tensions ?   How much players get affected by these extra tensions?
Now ICC should strictly deal this matter of Asia Cup and world cup and shouldnot come under pressure of any cricket board.

These all tension between these two countries is nothing new because it's all happening from the first day of Independence and in last three decades it's all having the biggest impact on cricket because in India recently we have big hype about cricket specially after introduction of IPL they are rich and having strong influence in ICC which is giving them good advantage and this is surely not favourable for the game of cricket because here if ICC use their power like we have in FIFA, FIH and other spots organizations, and they can ban these two countries from hosting these big events until they settle their problem and start playing like normal countries.

But ICC is really a crap, and they are not doing any positive thing for the game which is now creating more mess up which could be ended in negative for the game in near future.

[Smack That Ace]

India Pakistan politics and tension always comes in their cricket and that's why their matches are more like a cricket war . Why can't cricket be separated from politics and other tensions ?   How much players get affected by these extra tensions?
Now ICC should strictly deal this matter of Asia Cup and world cup and shouldnot come under pressure of any cricket board.

These all tension between these two countries is nothing new because it's all happening from the first day of Independence and in last three decades it's all having the biggest impact on cricket because in India recently we have big hype about cricket specially after introduction of IPL they are rich and having strong influence in ICC which is giving them good advantage and this is surely not favourable for the game of cricket because here if ICC use their power like we have in FIFA, FIH and other spots organizations, and they can ban these two countries from hosting these big events until they settle their problem and start playing like normal countries.

But ICC is really a crap, and they are not doing any positive thing for the game which is now creating more mess up which could be ended in negative for the game in near future.

As far as I am concerned, I believe the ICC is not doing a good job handling things as they should. They are obviously not interested in interfering in this matter between India and Pakistan. And another thing is that it almost always feels like ICC is in favour of India.

However, even if ICC does not intend that to happen, people will feel that way. Because ICC is obviously not doing anything to fix any problem for Pakistan. And India also makes the most money for the ICC as well.

So at this point, the intention of the ICC or BCCI does not matter. Because people are always seeking to implement weird theories and try to make it look like the ICC is favouring India in a lot of cases. I am neither agreeing nor denying that the ICC helps India. I am just saying that the ICC should try to keep that field event for everyone.


regards

duke

[teosanru]

India Pakistan politics and tension always comes in their cricket and that's why their matches are more like a cricket war . Why can't cricket be separated from politics and other tensions ?   How much players get affected by these extra tensions?
Now ICC should strictly deal this matter of Asia Cup and world cup and shouldnot come under pressure of any cricket board.

These all tension between these two countries is nothing new because it's all happening from the first day of Independence and in last three decades it's all having the biggest impact on cricket because in India recently we have big hype about cricket specially after introduction of IPL they are rich and having strong influence in ICC which is giving them good advantage and this is surely not favourable for the game of cricket because here if ICC use their power like we have in FIFA, FIH and other spots organizations, and they can ban these two countries from hosting these big events until they settle their problem and start playing like normal countries.

But ICC is really a crap, and they are not doing any positive thing for the game which is now creating more mess up which could be ended in negative for the game in near future.

As far as I am concerned, I believe the ICC is not doing a good job handling things as they should. They are obviously not interested in interfering in this matter between India and Pakistan. And another thing is that it almost always feels like ICC is in favour of India.

However, even if ICC does not intend that to happen, people will feel that way. Because ICC is obviously not doing anything to fix any problem for Pakistan. And India also makes the most money for the ICC as well.

So at this point, the intention of the ICC or BCCI does not matter. Because people are always seeking to implement weird theories and try to make it look like the ICC is favouring India in a lot of cases. I am neither agreeing nor denying that the ICC helps India. I am just saying that the ICC should try to keep that field event for everyone.


regards

duke

I think it's obvious that ICC is favouring India by being silent on the issue. But I would rather say that the problem between both countries isn't just limited to cricket boards, these directions are coming directly from the top government officials and have sovereign backing. It's not that BCCI woke up one day and decided on this. So I think even if ICC steps in, i don't see a lot of chances that this issue might get resolved.

[Vaskiy]

India Pakistan politics and tension always comes in their cricket and that's why their matches are more like a cricket war . Why can't cricket be separated from politics and other tensions ?   How much players get affected by these extra tensions?
Now ICC should strictly deal this matter of Asia Cup and world cup and shouldnot come under pressure of any cricket board.

These all tension between these two countries is nothing new because it's all happening from the first day of Independence and in last three decades it's all having the biggest impact on cricket because in India recently we have big hype about cricket specially after introduction of IPL they are rich and having strong influence in ICC which is giving them good advantage and this is surely not favourable for the game of cricket because here if ICC use their power like we have in FIFA, FIH and other spots organizations, and they can ban these two countries from hosting these big events until they settle their problem and start playing like normal countries.

But ICC is really a crap, and they are not doing any positive thing for the game which is now creating more mess up which could be ended in negative for the game in near future.

As far as I am concerned, I believe the ICC is not doing a good job handling things as they should. They are obviously not interested in interfering in this matter between India and Pakistan. And another thing is that it almost always feels like ICC is in favour of India.

However, even if ICC does not intend that to happen, people will feel that way. Because ICC is obviously not doing anything to fix any problem for Pakistan. And India also makes the most money for the ICC as well.

So at this point, the intention of the ICC or BCCI does not matter. Because people are always seeking to implement weird theories and try to make it look like the ICC is favouring India in a lot of cases. I am neither agreeing nor denying that the ICC helps India. I am just saying that the ICC should try to keep that field event for everyone.


regards

duke

I think it's obvious that ICC is favouring India by being silent on the issue. But I would rather say that the problem between both countries isn't just limited to cricket boards, these directions are coming directly from the top government officials and have sovereign backing. It's not that BCCI woke up one day and decided on this. So I think even if ICC steps in, i don't see a lot of chances that this issue might get resolved.

ICC always favours India, which is a known truth. ICC is under the political influence from the ruling government. Everytime there arises some controversy, the government does politics out of it and convert the people into votes. ICC needs to be allowed to function without the political pressure. If that happens surely we don't see such problems arising.

[Sithara007]

ICC always favours India, which is a known truth. ICC is under the political influence from the ruling government. Everytime there arises some controversy, the government does politics out of it and convert the people into votes. ICC needs to be allowed to function without the political pressure. If that happens surely we don't see such problems arising.

ICC goes with the majority opinion. Out of the 10 test nations apart from India and Pakistan, how any would actually side openly with Pakistan? So we can't really blame the ICC. Even last month, the BCCI got their proxy (Greg Barclay) elected as the chairman of the ICC. Boards such as the PCB couldn't even put up a candidate against the BCCI proxy. The way to move forward is to include more teams with test status. But if they give test status to teams such as UAE and Oman, then once again it will give more power to the BCCI.

[JSRAW]

The way to move forward is to include more teams with test status. But if they give test status to teams such as UAE and Oman, then once again it will give more power to the BCCI.

Lol that's funny. Ireland and Afghanistan are now full members and how many tests these guys have played? Just 9 in last 5 years.

What's the benefit of giving full test nation status to everyone when they are not even playing, Unless you are looking for funding.

Funding is important but if anyone wants to support new teams then ICC funding should be diverted toward LOIs (white ball), not Test format.

[Tony116]

As far as I am concerned, I believe the ICC is not doing a good job handling things as they should. They are obviously not interested in interfering in this matter between India and Pakistan. And another thing is that it almost always feels like ICC is in favour of India.
However, even if ICC does not intend that to happen, people will feel that way. Because ICC is obviously not doing anything to fix any problem for Pakistan. And India also makes the most money for the ICC as well.

So at this point, the intention of the ICC or BCCI does not matter. Because people are always seeking to implement weird theories and try to make it look like the ICC is favouring India in a lot of cases. I am neither agreeing nor denying that the ICC helps India. I am just saying that the ICC should try to keep that field event for everyone.

I think it's obvious that ICC is favouring India by being silent on the issue. But I would rather say that the problem between both countries isn't just limited to cricket boards, these directions are coming directly from the top government officials and have sovereign backing. It's not that BCCI woke up one day and decided on this. So I think even if ICC steps in, i don't see a lot of chances that this issue might get resolved.

ICC is not going to interfere in this matter. Because obviously, this goes way deeper than we eventually think. Both countries have a sense of hatred towards each other, which was created by the media and the politicians. And now citizens of both countries know that this problem is not going to be solved soon. So, if ICC started interfering in this matter, it might be problematic for them. It might actually start new problems between both countries that they probably do not want right now. No need to start issues between countries that already have issues, over cricket.

[Sithara007]

Lol that's funny. Ireland and Afghanistan are now full members and how many tests these guys have played? Just 9 in last 5 years.

What's the benefit of giving full test nation status to everyone when they are not even playing, Unless you are looking for funding.

Funding is important but if anyone wants to support new teams then ICC funding should be diverted toward LOIs (white ball), not Test format.

After they became test nations, the ICC funding for Afghanistan and Ireland went up by 10x or so. And that is why I am saying that promising associate nations should be provided with test status, although the tier-1 test nations may refuse to play against them. IMO, the following associate nations can be considered for promotion to tier-2 tests: Netherlands, Scotland, Nepal, Namibia, Papua New Guinea and Uganda. I would rather ignore teams such as United Arab Emirates, Oman and the United States, since they don't have any natives.

[laurenB7742]

Lol that's funny. Ireland and Afghanistan are now full members and how many tests these guys have played? Just 9 in last 5 years.

What's the benefit of giving full test nation status to everyone when they are not even playing, Unless you are looking for funding.

Funding is important but if anyone wants to support new teams then ICC funding should be diverted toward LOIs (white ball), not Test format.

After they became test nations, the ICC funding for Afghanistan and Ireland went up by 10x or so. And that is why I am saying that promising associate nations should be provided with test status, although the tier-1 test nations may refuse to play against them. IMO, the following associate nations can be considered for promotion to tier-2 tests: Netherlands, Scotland, Nepal, Namibia, Papua New Guinea and Uganda. I would rather ignore teams such as United Arab Emirates, Oman and the United States, since they don't have any natives.

As a general viewer, I don't want to see any test series tier 1 teams vs. tier 2 teams. Because these Test matches are completely one-sided. England, New Zealand, Australia and India, Pakistan, and South Africa, these 6 teams should host Test series against each other. When they play test matches against teams outside these 6 teams, most of the matches are completely one-sided. ICC should be more conscious of organizing test series. Because if the matches are organized unilaterally, the spectators are not interested in the matches. India vs Bangladesh ODI series is shaping up to be very competitive. But India will easily win the test match between these two teams.