Butterflylabs Huge SCAM

[jeremysmith]

I put in a paypal dispute because they're not shipping singles and I'm pissed

Of course they haven't replied to the dispute or refunded me yet and have a week to do so

I emailed BFL asking them if I cancelled the dispute would I be able to keep my position in queue

This was their response:

https://i.imgur.com/NoDo3gm.png


I was half expecting them to beg me to cancel the dispute and offer to bump me up in the queue or something, instead I get them stating that they "can not comment" on it.


I'm guessing if I cancel the dispute, I won't be seeing a refund and my order and position in queue will "accidentally" get lost


Anyone think i'll retain my position in queue if I cancel the dispute?

Interesting how the order page says refunded: 1 when I haven't gotten anything back in paypal yet:

https://i.imgur.com/Sp5g9dY.png

https://i.imgur.com/Zgd8v0j.png

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[MooC Tals]

I put in a paypal dispute because they're not shipping singles and I'm pissed

Of course they haven't replied to the dispute or refunded me yet and have a week to do so

I emailed BFL asking them if I cancelled the dispute would I be able to keep my position in queue

This was their response:




I was half expecting them to beg me to cancel the dispute and offer to bump me up in the queue or something, instead I get them stating that they "can not comment" on it.


I'm guessing if I cancel the dispute, I won't be seeing a refund and my order and position in queue will "accidentally" get lost


Anyone think i'll retain my position in queue if I cancel the dispute?

Interesting how the order page says refunded: 1 when I haven't gotten anything back in paypal yet:

IMHO You are the lucky one to get your refund the others will cry when they get their units after they're worthless.

Take the money and forget BFL ever existed and learn something from this.

BFL can't get out of what they have created and they're playing a tricky game of optics and deadmans bluff.

Either way its up to you and this is my opinion keep the dispute and get your money before things go tits up.

[wtfvanity]

I put in a paypal dispute because they're not shipping singles and I'm pissed

Of course they haven't replied to the dispute or refunded me yet and have a week to do so

I emailed BFL asking them if I cancelled the dispute would I be able to keep my position in queue

This was their response:




I was half expecting them to beg me to cancel the dispute and offer to bump me up in the queue or something, instead I get them stating that they "can not comment" on it.


I'm guessing if I cancel the dispute, I won't be seeing a refund and my order and position in queue will "accidentally" get lost


Anyone think i'll retain my position in queue if I cancel the dispute?

Interesting how the order page says refunded: 1 when I haven't gotten anything back in paypal yet:

IMHO You are the lucky one to get your refund the others will cry when they get their units after they're worthless.

Take the money and forget BFL ever existed and learn something from this.

BFL can't get out of what they have created and they're playing a tricky game of optics and deadmans bluff.

Either way its up to you and this is my opinion keep the dispute and get your money before things go tits up.

I understand choose chose is not going to pop up with spell check, but really, does no one in this country know how to spell? Yeah, public schools FTW... come on BFL. Require GED's in the hiring process! Oh wait, I don't think that applies to any of them.

[lucasjkr]

I put in a paypal dispute because they're not shipping singles and I'm pissed

Of course they haven't replied to the dispute or refunded me yet and have a week to do so

I emailed BFL asking them if I cancelled the dispute would I be able to keep my position in

That's silly. Why would you think you'd be rewarded (given a higher spot in the order queue) for causing them a headache? Especially these boards being the way they are (18,000 sign ups on digital ocean for primecoin miners after a single post with a referral link), if you succeeded and posted about your e pertinence, the next thing you know everyone would open disputes hoping to get bumped up as well. In which case everyone would be right back where they started.

If I was them, especially given their "fire your customers manta", I'd say "sorry, when you filed your dispute, that cancelled your order. If you cancel the dispute, well treat it as a new order"

What the real shame is is that BFLis the only ASIC provider that has an offering suitable for more casual miners. usb Block eruptors? Don't expect to ever recoup your costs of $100 for 300MH. All the others? Thousands of dollars. There's zero competition in the low-end space (5 Gh for $279..,, who's much is a 12 Gh Avalon blade?).

Of course it doesn't really matter anymore. All the ASIC providers are doing is insuring that nobody is profitable but them.  This arms race of gigahashes hasn't really accomplished anything else. Certainly not any more network security, as the network is just as vulnerable to a dedicated attacker (say, a government) willing to spend a couple million dollars as it was before Asics. But that's a whole other story. End of the day is that BFL has zero competition despite worthy adversaries, because all the others have decided on much higher price points for their goods. Now, if friedcat released something that was comparable in price and performance to a jalapeño and customers had other routes, I'd doubt you'd see any mention of "firing our customers"

[Beymond]

any one of you got the rig?

[tinus42]

What the real shame is is that BFLis the only ASIC provider that has an offering suitable for more casual miners. usb Block eruptors? Don't expect to ever recoup your costs of $100 for 300MH. All the others? Thousands of dollars. There's zero competition in the low-end space (5 Gh for $279..,, who's much is a 12 Gh Avalon blade?).

The price of a Jalapeno is at least more than ten times higher than $274 (not $279). If you actually want to have it within a few days. The start price for one on eBay is $2,969 and will likely be higher once the auction ends:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Butterfly-Labs-ASIC-Jalapeno-bitforce-5-8-GH-s-IN-HAND-NOT-PRE-ORDER-/130949363921?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e7d30b8d1

$274 gets you a Jalapeno PRE-ORDER. Big difference.

If you pre-order and get the Jalapeno at the end of the year (or heaven forbid next year) due to the expected highly increased difficulty it will likely produce less coins than a USB Block Eruptor does NOW.

[jeremysmith]

That's silly. Why would you think you'd be rewarded (given a higher spot in the order queue) for causing them a headache? Especially these boards being the way they are (18,000 sign ups on digital ocean for primecoin miners after a single post with a referral link), if you succeeded and posted about your e pertinence, the next thing you know everyone would open disputes hoping to get bumped up as well. In which case everyone would be right back where they started.

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For Causing Them a Headache.  gr8 b8 m8

[justas]

yea

[scambutterflylabs]

quote:

" Why is BFL Not Flush with Components to Build S/MR Consistently?
So, what is going on? Is it too much to ask for more transparency?

I don't understand why nothing shipped today? Was this also the case on Monday? Tuesday?
Why does there only seem to be enough components for the Jally all the time?
Is BFL running out of money?
Can components for old orders only be stocked with money from new orders? Why aren't you ordering the components you need for S/MR? Why are there such dead gaps?
How can BFL possibly get through the backlog before the end of September at this rate?
How many more zero shipping days will there be to look forward to?
How many orders are left for June 23rd?
How many are there for June 24th?
25th? etc?


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Somebody said we've been stuck on June 23rd for a month. I've lost track. Obviously I wish we could get more transparency. I've never understood why BFL has kept the hashrate they've sold a secret? Why can't we know the amount of orders for each product?

Just so many questions."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3890-why-bfl-not-flush-components-build-s-mr-consistently.html#post48102

[jordaninthesky]

Hi Josh/Inaba.  I just want to affirm to you that everyone knows what's going on.  It would be great to think of the world as a nicer place, but you are clearly not the savant that you were before you first spoke those words "2 more weeks".

It was over, at that point, for everyone.  You broke word; now what can we count on?  Oh, right, the imagination.

You say you aren't a liar.  Let history speak for itself.  As you would say "I don't have time to show you.  Check the boards, stupid!"

Because you are imitating the role of a known con-man who is associated with BFL, it will be a lot easier to link malice to your actions, so you will not get the lenience that Sonny did.  Sonny will probably suffer some sort of release-contract violation, but that's not as important to people as seeing the face behind the false words burn.  The name you wear (Josh Zerlan) is an anti-semitic joke.

[jordaninthesky]

"Old Singles ordered now will deliver sometime in September. New ones start delivering in October, but i don't know when one ordered now would deliver. I would order the new one if I were you. --Jody"

Just curious if you consider Jody up to par with your ability to keep spinning, or if she now is a liability that needs to be cut loose?

[scambutterflylabs]

Haha why make claims you ask?  That's what Phinnaeus does.  He's the most irresponsible user on this forum and is responsible for the harassement and misidentification of a number of users in his crusades.  Bruno is an example of all that is wrong with bitcoin and the internet in general.  Anonymous whiny man-children that hide behind their computer without fear of repercussion for their actions.

Did you know he's also an embezzler and thief?  Phinnaeus Gage used to run Bitcoin100 and stole thousands of dollars from a charity.  He's a real stand up individual.

While you help steal away millions beyond.  Even if your claims are true, the diversion tactic you made with steering people away from Avalon to your shady company cost many tens of thousands a month.  This was a real shit move on my part, to not see the false name you wear and assume that because an internet based company says its going to do something, it will.  I just want to let you know about the financial implications your company faces.  I worked with a company Quixtar/Amway, knew what I was getting into and was okay with it, and still had a class action lawsuit delivered to my doorstep.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/89809366/quixtar-pokorny-settlement-agreement

With you, however...  I have been intentionally deceived and diverted from a real blooming industry that I wanted to support.  Your transparent actions don't even compare to the cultic mentality of Quixtar/Amway.  Even beyond that, you have done an undetermined amount of damage by taking spotlight for BTC.  Even if BTC can someday be taken seriously, it will not be without justice brought upon you!  I'm not an internet lawyer.  I'm a trend spotter and a train catcher.  In this situation, I'd gladly drive a train.  You are sick and disgusting.  You have become such a whore for whatever $$ you could be envisioning right now, that it is unfathomable.  

A blight is not difficult to be seen.

[becoin]

Just so many questions.

They simply run out of money. This is the simple answer to all your questions.

If they ship everything they have in stock difficulty will increase yet even more. This is why they hash with everything they have available to earn money effectively using they customers' money to make money. Needless to say, this is a direct theft from their customers' ROI. Conclusion is easy. The average BFL customer will never achieve positive ROI on their bitcoin investment. They would have been far more successful if they just purchased bitcoins and hold them in their bitcoin wallet.

Forget about BFL. The scam was planned from the very start of this startup.

[yakuza699]

didn't know that ty for information 

[pocesar]

what about mining rig leasing?

[tinus42]

The name you wear is an anti-semitic joke.

How's that? Inaba is a Japanese name. Probably taken from some manga character.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inaba

[Xian01]

The name you wear is an anti-semitic joke.

How's that? Inaba is a Japanese name. Probably taken from some manga character.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inaba

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua

[tinus42]

The name you wear is an anti-semitic joke.

How's that? Inaba is a Japanese name. Probably taken from some manga character.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inaba

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua

So everyone with a biblical name (David, Matthew, Luke, etc) is an anti-semite if they do wrong because it might reflect badly on the Chosen People?  Seems taking cultural sensitivity way to far to me. 

[Ytterbium]

For the price of a Jalapeno on Ebay you could preorder a KnC Mars, with 12x the hashpower, with $1k left over.  Unless the difficulty goes up 12x between now and October, it's an insane thing to do.

[jeremysmith]

I put in a paypal dispute because they're not shipping singles and I'm pissed

Of course they haven't replied to the dispute or refunded me yet and have a week to do so

I emailed BFL asking them if I cancelled the dispute would I be able to keep my position in queue

This was their response:

https://i.imgur.com/NoDo3gm.png


I was half expecting them to beg me to cancel the dispute and offer to bump me up in the queue or something, instead I get them stating that they "can not comment" on it.


I'm guessing if I cancel the dispute, I won't be seeing a refund and my order and position in queue will "accidentally" get lost


Anyone think i'll retain my position in queue if I cancel the dispute?

Interesting how the order page says refunded: 1 when I haven't gotten anything back in paypal yet:

https://i.imgur.com/Sp5g9dY.png

https://i.imgur.com/Zgd8v0j.png

I put in a paypal dispute because they're not shipping singles and I'm pissed

Of course they haven't replied to the dispute or refunded me yet and have a week to do so

I emailed BFL asking them if I cancelled the dispute would I be able to keep my position in queue

This was their response:

https://i.imgur.com/NoDo3gm.png


I was half expecting them to beg me to cancel the dispute and offer to bump me up in the queue or something, instead I get them stating that they "can not comment" on it.


I'm guessing if I cancel the dispute, I won't be seeing a refund and my order and position in queue will "accidentally" get lost


Anyone think i'll retain my position in queue if I cancel the dispute?

Interesting how the order page says refunded: 1 when I haven't gotten anything back in paypal yet:

https://i.imgur.com/Sp5g9dY.png

https://i.imgur.com/Zgd8v0j.png

So nobodies put in a paypal dispute and then decided to cancel it?  I'm wondering if I cancel the dispute will l still retain my position in queue?  BFL hasn't refunded me yet.