IOTA - Unmoderated thread

[SatoNatomato]

Coordinator still active, eh, still a toddler this IOTA? Does it even walk or you just put in on a tricycle for show?

This is how it looks now:

Ah the classic "show a big tire to compensate for small penis".

[Come-from-Beyond]

Ah the classic "show a big tire to compensate for small penis".

Yup.

PS: You sound much smarter these days 

[SatoNatomato]

Ah the classic "show a big tire to compensate for small penis".

Yup.

PS: You sound much smarter these days 

I do not doubt that you will resolve the Curl hasher issues and it will be a great contribution to computing. Serious and not sarcastic.

How is life otherwise, still angry at me for poking your coin?

[Come-from-Beyond]

How is life otherwise, still angry at me for poking your coin?

You made me angry only once, but now I changed that bike to   and am not longer angry

[SatoNatomato]

Iota crypto does not even meet rookie level according to cryptogod Bruce Scheiner.

Ouch, is that why you are inactive lately CfB? Healing your burn wounds?

https://medium.com/@neha/cryptographic-vulnerabilities-in-iota-9a6a9ddc4367

I tried to tell people, IOTA is a massive pile of shit. A scam if you will.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Iota crypto does not even meet rookie level according to cryptogod Bruce Scheiner.

Ouch, is that why you are inactive lately CfB? Healing your burn wounds?

https://medium.com/@neha/cryptographic-vulnerabilities-in-iota-9a6a9ddc4367

I tried to tell people, IOTA is a massive pile of shit. A scam if you will.

I've just come home after a long trip, today a blockchain hackathon starts in my hometown, so I'll post a reply to that blogpost in few days. Regarding wounds: no wounds, just wait for my reply. And buy popcorn in advance.  

[NoCoinerXD]

Hi,

I am very interested in this project. I really like the idea of it - but what bugs me is this thread.

So there are some guys who are "trying" to badmouth IOTA. Why would they?
Do they "hate" IOTA or "like" other projects more or is IOTA some sort of scam and they want to tell the community?

I can't tell if the arguments f.e. from SatoNatomato are valid or not and the answers of IOTA devs/founders, because I don't have the technical expertise.

What I am also asking myself is why are the devs/founders like iotatoken are even replying in a very emotional way to this stuff.

On top the first 4 minutes of this video are also a little bit strange for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjCqT-oK9M


This is no FUD/shill whatever post, I am just trying to find a good future investment. Thanks for any reply/discussion.

[SatoNatomato]

Hi,

I am very interested in this project. I really like the idea of it - but what bugs me is this thread.

So there are some guys who are "trying" to badmouth IOTA. Why would they?
Do they "hate" IOTA or "like" other projects more or is IOTA some sort of scam and they want to tell the community?

I can't tell if the arguments f.e. from SatoNatomato are valid or not and the answers of IOTA devs/founders, because I don't have the technical expertise.

What I am also asking myself is why are the devs/founders like iotatoken are even replying in a very emotional way to this stuff.

On top the first 4 minutes of this video are also a little bit strange for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjCqT-oK9M


This is no FUD/shill whatever post, I am just trying to find a good future investment. Thanks for any reply/discussion.

Listen to me, Ive got the technical expertise, read here in February I told them their self made hash function called Curl is weak and not worthy more of my time.

MIT Researchers found basic rookie mistakes, when giving their time for free. Iota cryptography was broken.

Double spends were possible even with the Coordinator present. Reasearchers told this and showed example code.

Then they get told by iota devs they are FUDing and their research is not a real problem... Not even a thanks.

Next time, the researchers/hackers will not be nice.

Iota is a scam, the devs are authoritarian pathological liars.

[Come-from-Beyond]

MIT Researchers found basic rookie mistakes, when giving their time for free. Iota cryptography was broken.

Really? Why then the researchers wrote in their report:

We emphasize that to produce a signature on a msg2, our attacks require Alice to sign an innocent-looking related message, msg1, of our choosing. This is a chosen message attack. We have not developed a known message attack.

and

...Madars Virza did an independent analysis to try to directly invert the hash function using algebraic techniques (which has not yet been successful, and is not included in the report).

?

[SatoNatomato]

MIT Researchers found basic rookie mistakes, when giving their time for free. Iota cryptography was broken.

Really? Why then the researchers wrote in their report:

We emphasize that to produce a signature on a msg2, our attacks require Alice to sign an innocent-looking related message, msg1, of our choosing. This is a chosen message attack. We have not developed a known message attack.

and

...Madars Virza did an independent analysis to try to directly invert the hash function using algebraic techniques (which has not yet been successful, and is not included in the report).

?

I am not surprised you do not even comprehend the full level of your own incompetence.

Sigh.

You always find one or two sentences to quote of your critiques, thus hiding the 100 other sentences, one of which is by Bruce Schenier, god of crypto "In 2017, leaving your crypto algorithm vulnerable to differential cryptanalysis is a rookie mistake. It says that no one of any calibre analyzed their system, and that the odds that their fix makes the system secure is low".

You are a rookie, and should gtfo of crypto.

My call back in february was correct, your own hash function was not even worthy of my time to analyze, just like many others of any calibre react upon seeing it.

Can not be taken seriously.

Byteball ftw, simple secp256k1 with sha256, classic choice, world tested, best crypto. Iota embarrassement

[Come-from-Beyond]

I am not surprised you do not even comprehend the full level of your own incompetence.

Then I must be very lucky to be able to create 2 cryptocurrencies which were in TOP 5 on CMC.

[SatoNatomato]

I am not surprised you do not even comprehend the full level of your own incompetence.

Then I must be very lucky to be able to create 2 cryptocurrencies which were in TOP 5 on CMC.

Not lucky, just experienced scammer.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Not lucky, just experienced scammer.

And what is the goal of this "scam"?

[iotatoken]

Not lucky, just experienced scammer.

And what is the goal of this "scam"?

Bringing Tupac back to life

[SatoNatomato]

Not lucky, just experienced scammer.

And what is the goal of this "scam"?

You, and your followers, got your money and increased ego.

Rookie.

[Come-from-Beyond]

You, and your followers, got your money and increased ego.

Heh, ok. Do you know, by the way, that people judge by their own personality? 

[SatoNatomato]

"In 2017, leaving your crypto algorithm vulnerable to differential cryptanalysis is a rookie mistake. It says that no one of any calibre analyzed their system, and that the odds that their fix makes the system secure is low".

You are a rookie, and should gtfo of crypto.

My call back in february was correct, your own hash function was not even worthy of my time to analyze, just like many others of any calibre react upon seeing it.

Can not be taken seriously

I dont really care about your motivations and am not your psychatrist.

IOTA like many other attempted cryptocurrencies is a scam at worst, childish incompetence at best.

[mike77777]

"In 2017, leaving your crypto algorithm vulnerable to differential cryptanalysis is a rookie mistake. It says that no one of any calibre analyzed their system, and that the odds that their fix makes the system secure is low".

You are a rookie, and should gtfo of crypto.

My call back in february was correct, your own hash function was not even worthy of my time to analyze, just like many others of any calibre react upon seeing it.

Can not be taken seriously

I dont really care about your motivations and am not your psychatrist.

IOTA like many other attempted cryptocurrencies is a scam at worst, childish incompetence at best.

go fuck vitalik. he didn't make rookie childish mistakes... oh wait
I see you prefer algos with backdoors implemented by NSA

[Come-from-Beyond]

"In 2017, leaving your crypto algorithm vulnerable to differential cryptanalysis is a rookie mistake. It says that no one of any calibre analyzed their system, and that the odds that their fix makes the system secure is low".

This is addressed in https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Come-from-Beyond/63c97a697baf2a657bdddd9bdc6be05d/raw/e01bb6aae47a0207edaeb3e1fbfbf347b2ee3c2d/CFB%27s%2520response%2520to%2520Neha%2520Narula%27s%2520blogpost , just use CTRL+F.

In other words: You ran out of arguments and decided to use appeal to authority fallacy. 

[cryptohunter]

The tech side of iota being poor is secondary to the fact it was a narrowly distributed.

You can not start with a distribution this narrow and expect to at some point present it as a trustless decentralised project.

You will never know the damage the manipulation and collusion will cause from the outset.

Better to stick with real POW projects like bitcoin and LTC.

Byteball is has a far wider initial distribution but I still don;t think it was done properly. Of course of the 2 I choose byteball over iota if you have to have a dag coin in your portfolio.

I find this thread to be the same few iota shills attacking one person over and over. This alone tells me the the iota initial distribution was a disgrace. There are the same 5 or 6 faces only here like on every iota thread.