IOTA - Unmoderated thread

[altcoinUK]

Iamnotback is  Anonymint?

Saddly, it seems he is.

After long long months of lecturing the whole world from the moral high and pointing out (quite rightly so) the issues with Bitcoin, Ethereum, monero, DASH, etc. and being the crusader of an ICO free and transparent cryptocurrency ecosystem, he came out with a different message. Sadly and most likely the new message is the real one. He revealed that his associate has been fucking jl777, James, the chief waporvare asset wizard of this gambling swamp who has been scamming the idiots for years without creating any real world users for cryptocurrency. So TPTB_need_war has suddenly realized, speculation and ICO is actually great for cryptocurrency. These cryptocurrencies actually are used by nobody except from the shills who try to realize that 50x ROI by getting noobs, naives and idiots into the coins and making bagholders from the lunch money investors? No problem. TPTB_need_war/Anonymint happy with that.

As you can see, he started the who is the bigger dick competition with me, which is an uphill battle from his viewpoint (after all I have been an accomplished troll since 1990, the born of Internet and my first Compuserve account). Never mind, he talks all that bollocks to get the attention like why I am not scrutinizing Bitcoin and other cryptos. At the same time, anybody can read my posts in the Arsmtrong thread and my opinion about the Chinese influence in Bitcoin. Also, I've said publicly, despite I was one of the first investors of Ethereum in 2014, I can't support anymore Vitalik and Gavin Wood, not their DAO scam. Anyway, and again, I am sad to admit, but DecentralizeEconomics quite right about him as well.

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[iamnotback]

[anewafresh]

So it seems like DecentralizeEconomics and altcoinUK have still not dared to accept iotatoken's bet.  

How typical..all bark, no bite

If you guys have any self-respect whatsoever, please accept the bet. Coz otherwise, you guys sound a pair of clowns..

[altcoinUK]

So it seems like DecentralizeEconomics and altcoinUK have still not dared to accept iotatoken's bet.  

How typical..all bark, no bite

If you guys have any self-respect whatsoever, please accept the bet. Coz otherwise, you guys sound a pair of clowns..

Warning! IOTA shill/sockpuppet alert.

[altcoinUK]

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Yeah, yeah. Your associate has been fucking jl777, James, the chief waporvare asset wizard of this gambling swamp who has been scamming the idiots for years without creating any real world users for cryptocurrency. He scammed out over $5 million, plus the latest Waves scam in which he is "advisor", but he has created nothing except bagholders. His coins and assets used by nobody except by his shills. His coins and assets serve and used by precisely zero (0, nill, нyль, null, 零) businesses. Fine partner and a proper match for you.

[iamnotback]

created nothing except bagholders

My research is not a bagholding. I am the only person on earth to have truly solved how to make an ASIC resistant proof-of-work algorithm.

That $5 million was well wasted. $trillions in future value created from a measly $5 million (of which only a small smidgen needed to reach me to create the serendipity of nature's resilience). And you haven't seen even the tip of the iceberg yet.

STFU. You are a depressing, curmudgeon.

Go on with your babbling incomprehension of how nature and the earth functions. And you try to make me responsible for jl777. Who the fuck ever proved that I have anything to do with anything jl777 did? Because I didn't! I wasn't involved in any thing of Nxt.

Go accomplish something and stop whining. If you can't compete, that is your problem. Produce something better for the speculators. Stop your annoying whining.

[iotatoken]

So it seems like DecentralizeEconomics and altcoinUK have still not dared to accept iotatoken's bet.  

How typical..all bark, no bite

If you guys have any self-respect whatsoever, please accept the bet. Coz otherwise, you guys sound a pair of clowns..

Warning! IOTA shill/sockpuppet alert.

Just end it, we all know you got zero purpose in life.

[iamnotback]

jl777, James, the chief waporvare asset wizard ... without creating any real world users for cryptocurrency. He scammed out over $5 million ... His coins and assets used by nobody except by his shills ... Fine partner and a proper match for you.

• You should document that $5 million claim, because I vaguely seem to remember someone writing jl777 was able to raise 1500 BTC and so that wouldn't be worth more than about $1.5 million at the peak. In any case, I read the DAO raised $168 million, so if you want to talk about waste of resources, then there are bigger fish to fry. The BitcoinTrojanHorse Chinese mining cartel "scam" is extracting on the order of 1800 BTC daily some allege at very low costs and those costs charged to the Chinese people via banking and electrical subsidies. None of that mined BTC is getting into the hands of developer such as myself who is actually capable of changing the world for the better.
• jl777 has afaik produced working code for feature such as the federated type of decentralized exchange and he has been working on 100% decentralized exchange. He has written what he claims is a very fast Bitcoin c0mpatible daemon in C which he has named iguana. I chat with him sometimes daily and he is always coding. Being coder myself, I know when someone is actually coding or just bullshitting. Granted he does appear to have presold future BTCD features that are not yet implemented, which is something I would never do. But Ethereum presold the entire damn development and had nothing implemented when they raised $millions. The DAO raised $150 million for future unknown vaporware that hasn't even been described yet! jl777's vaporware transgressions seem mild in comparison.
• It seems just about every altcoin is only used by its investors and doesn't really have much adoption. A similar phenomenon occurs with gold mining junior companies, where most of them are just paper illusions. Yet some of them do become major actual miners someday. This is the way speculation works! If it is too hot in the kitchen for you, then get out of the kitchen and let those who can handle it do the cooking.
• jl777 is not my partner. We have no shared project wherein we are both developing on the same project and both vested in future ROI on that project. Instead he (or SuperNet) invested a very small amount of funds in my project which he doesn't develop on, to help sustain me when I was extremely sick and bankrupt so I could continue to do my CC research and development. I help jl777 get the theory aspects of his latest designs correct (because I am one of the most astute experts on the theory and design side ... and I don't have time to argue with idiots about why I am ... those who work around me daily know it is true ... there are sufficient examples on the BCT forum for one who knows where to look in my archives ...), but I was not helping him on the design of the things he released before such as BTCD. In exchange of my very impressive ability to invent amazing CC breakthroughs, there is an offer for me to do GUI coding in exchange for BTC of which most wouldn't become due and payable until he releases the new projects and raises more funds. I encouraged him to find another developer for that work, but the reality is having me work on his project helps to insure the design is correct and so he understands my worth. But even if I accept that work (which I haven't yet because I want to reserve my limited time for my own R&D work), I would not be vested in the ROI of any new fund raising for any project he does. He and I are not partners. We simply do rational business with each other and talk tech shop on designs, to the extent it makes sense. He is fully aware that he is not allowed to claim that I am accountable for his projects. Ditto he has nearly nothing to do with my project and doesn't advise me on the design issues in my project.
• I was incorrect to waste my time badgering other coins about their ethics. I followed smooth's lead on that. I have already explained that the issuers and promoters may or may not have to answer to the legal repurcussions in the future, but that is irrelevant. Also the key breakthrough in my legal understanding is when I recently realized that if the source code is open source , the protocol is decentralized, and the issuers aren't in ongoing control of trading (which was Ripple's mistake that caused them to run afoul of FinCEN KYC/MSB regulations), then it doesn't likely matter under the Howey investment securities test (which is orthogonal to the FinTech regulations such as FinCEN) how the tokens were issued, because the speculators are in control of their future expectation of profits (return on investment) and thus nothing is secured by the issuer. Forks of the source code and copycat coins are evidence of that reality. I opened my eyes and decided to understand the reality of the nature of speculation. The amount of $ flowing into altcoins is miniscule compared to the other scams going on daily since the beginning of mankind, including for example the fraud of the Federal Reserve and fiat money. The Climate Change carbon tax clusterfuck is many $billion greater fraud than anything going on in altcoin ecosystem, and at least the altcoin ecosystem has the chance to spawn an actual breakthough that helps mankind.
• You seem to have originated from a Communist/Socialist philosophy wherein you think it is the role of society to determine what is fair and how to best top-down regulate the flow of capital. This is incredibly myopic because there is nothing the government can't make worse by regulating it.
  
  "Elephant: a mouse built to government specifications." — Lazarus Long
  
  

  The joke is on you not understanding that Armstrong is writing about the medium-term when he is bullish, and in the shorter-term his reversals are guiding us through bounces and dips until we get the V crash slingshot that sets up the medium-term blast off.
  
  Your lack of reading comprehension is the joke. AltcoinUK enjoins you in that handicap.
  

  
  slingshot that feeable puppet mind of yours.... guiding useless scenario after the fact.
  

  
  As MA has explained, there will always be dumb people to be the bagholders in the market. There is nothing anyone could do to change that.
  

I will not explain this again. And you and your cohorts will continue your nonsense instead of rolling up your sleeves and actually creating some competition. All you and your cohorts hypocrite holier than thou masturbation is for losers who can't produce anything and instead want to be self-important from their rocking chairs.

by now he is a law enforcement material

What enforcement   Copious tough talking diarrhoea flowing out one end but zero action forthcoming.

Indiegogo doesn't even enforce their own policy against selling prohibited perks that are negotiable instruments.

AnonyMint documented the reasons ICOs can be considered harmful, but it is irrelevant.

Decentralized, open sourced tokens are probably not investment securities regardless of how they were issued, but many of these recent schemes such as the DAO appear to not be actually sufficiently decentralized to avoid being classified as investment securities. But that is the potential legal problem for the issuers and perhaps promoters, but not for the readers here who are just the speculators.

There are too many self-important do-nothing talking heads on this forum. At least the scammers are risking their own future legal problems to provide the market here a semblance of what it craves.

So keep on babbling talking heads. That is a symptom of the disease of the incapable.

So if you really think your goal is to invest to better the true adoption and goals of a decentralized economy, then stop whining and go make it a reality. Stop blaming the scammers for your own inability to invest in and/or launch something that really addresses that goal.

Being less worse, doesn't make it an accomplishment. Two wrongs don't make it right.

Too much useless verbal diarrhoea on BCT.

And then he claims to know what is expert coding   Ah pardon me, but being an active coder yourself would allow you to be a peer. Otherwise you are just a rocking chair, finger up his anal-yst. Yeah I know you scored 16 touchdowns in 1932 for the Brooklyn Browns with half your ear torn off. How many times have you repeated that story? Btw, we wear helmets now and take steriods. And ES6 with modules on Node.js isn't your grandmother's Java threads.

[anewafresh]

So it seems like DecentralizeEconomics and altcoinUK have still not dared to accept iotatoken's bet.  

How typical..all bark, no bite

If you guys have any self-respect whatsoever, please accept the bet. Coz otherwise, you guys sound a pair of clowns..

Warning! IOTA shill/sockpuppet alert.

Please stop beating around the bush and please accept the bet. We are all waiting.

Flinging wild accusations around won't get you off the hook. You can still save your face. Just accept the bet. You might lose, but you will still gain a lot of respect that you seem to have completely lost as of now.

Thanks!

[DecentralizeEconomics]

So it seems like DecentralizeEconomics and altcoinUK have still not dared to accept iotatoken's bet.  

How typical..all bark, no bite

If you guys have any self-respect whatsoever, please accept the bet. Coz otherwise, you guys sound a pair of clowns..

Warning! IOTA shill/sockpuppet alert.

Please stop beating around the bush and please accept the bet. We are all waiting.

Flinging wild accusations around won't get you off the hook. You can still save your face. Just accept the bet. You might lose, but you will still gain a lot of respect that you seem to have completely lost as of now.

Thanks!

Listen loser.  Nobody is going to make a bet with you morons, because anyone with common sense knows that it won't be judged fairly or subjectively.  Not to mention the fact that David doesn't have two nickels to rub together without dipping into company money.  David is a habitual gambler and is now attempting to commit malfeasance by betting with IOTA funds.

[iamnotback]

Listen I am a loser because I whine like a bitch and make excuses. Men with balls don't seem to understand my whining. I am entirely shocked when I see balls, because I don't have any. During my school days, I always covered my vagina when showering in the male locker room. My sexual identity is highly confused and I reject my evolutionary purpose to spread my seed as far and wide as possible because I am afraid of bugs.

ftfy

Nobitches is going to make a bet with you wild & hairy mens

Bitches are irrelevant. War/competition is dominated by men with balls. You'd been alive about a millisecond in the presence of Genghis Khan.

, because anyone with common sense knows that it won't be judged fairly or subjectively.

Is that either-or, or is the word 'nor' not in your vocabulary.

Excuses. You could have agreed upon an impartial referee. If you only want a symbolic bet, then demonstrate how impoverished you are and offer to lower the bet to 1 BTC.

David is a habitual gambler and is now attempting to commit malfeasance by betting with IOTA funds.

That could be classified as clever and efficient use of marketing funds, doubling the marketing budget by winning the bet while also scoring a marketing coup by illuminating what a bitch whiner loser you are.

[gagalady]

What's the eta for the coin launch

[iamnotback]

What's the eta for the coin launch

Which of the three?   

Are you referring to Monero's official GUI launch date?

The point is what moron who has no experience in s/w believes that s/w ever is launched on a predicted date.

[cryptohunter]

What's the eta for the coin launch

sometime after they can no longer ransom off small amounts of their personal stack for 20-50x what they sold it to themselves for. The bunch of mugs that will buy this on the basis of unrealistic hopes and dreams are running dry, also people are starting to sniff out the scam here. It will be released to the open market and will sell for a more reasonable 5x ico price if it can function under real world usage conditions and offers things that are really useful without bringing a bunch of new negatives.

[iamnotback]

sometime after they can no longer ransom off small amounts of their personal stack for 20-50x what they sold it to themselves for

What underwriting for an IPO of a public stock is ever any different than that.

I understand your complaint is you want ICOs to be very visible and open to everyone on a equal availability basis. I think that makes the most sense as well, because you raise the most money for the developers. But I guess they have a different strategy.

Why be so jealous? You missed one. Move on. There will be many others. You win some, you lose some. Anal retention isn't healthy (and I say that sincerely, not being against you).

[anewafresh]

So it seems like DecentralizeEconomics and altcoinUK have still not dared to accept iotatoken's bet.  

How typical..all bark, no bite

If you guys have any self-respect whatsoever, please accept the bet. Coz otherwise, you guys sound a pair of clowns..

Warning! IOTA shill/sockpuppet alert.

Please stop beating around the bush and please accept the bet. We are all waiting.

Flinging wild accusations around won't get you off the hook. You can still save your face. Just accept the bet. You might lose, but you will still gain a lot of respect that you seem to have completely lost as of now.

Thanks!

Listen loser.  Nobody is going to make a bet with you morons, because anyone with common sense knows that it won't be judged fairly or subjectively.  Not to mention the fact that David doesn't have two nickels to rub together without dipping into company money.  David is a habitual gambler and is now attempting to commit malfeasance by betting with IOTA funds.

Good luck with getting anyone to believe your nonsensical rant to be anything other than hollow excuses.

[altcoinUK]

What underwriting for an IPO of a public stock is ever any different than that.

A public stock IPO indeed is a very different matter. I am the first who point out how much manipulated the casino market is, how the sockpuppets of Goldman Sachs in the FED and ECB and their free QE money destroy the whole economy (you understand well what David Stockman and of course Armstrong say about the crooks of Wall Street). I say all the time how stock buybacks and other corporate level malarkeys damage the free market, but the public stocks via an IPO are
a) issued by a regulated company
b) reveal the available capital, resources as well people who run the company
c) most importantly, unlike these scammers in your newly discovered gambling paradise - that transfers Satoshi's fantastic decentralized currency idea into a swamp -, the public stock companies create real products for real people.

What your fucking scams buddies like jl777, the chief waporvare asset wizard do? They create zero real world users nor they serve any real world businesses by riding the waves of Bitcoin - that was intended to be a real product and a great innovation until the communist Chinese politburo took it over -, your scam buddies release one vaporware after each other and then shill that absolutely nothing to the idiots.  

Which is most astonishing, you are saying to us: "no, no you must accept the reality that there are scammers and speculators in crypto." you are saying "Don't moralize, scamming is the reality. If you don't accept there are scammers then you are blind, irrational, etc" ... on the other hand, you think it is perfectly rational to refuse accepting that the stock market is run by TPTB, the central banks, and the boyz ... so you are moralizing and fighting against the whole world ... and it seems your only instrument in your Monty Python crusade is to release a new scam to the gambling swamp. Hahahaha. I have to conclude, you are hypocrite and a fucking idiot, albeit an articulated one.

[cryptohunter]

sometime after they can no longer ransom off small amounts of their personal stack for 20-50x what they sold it to themselves for

What underwriting for an IPO of a public stock is ever any different than that.

I understand your complaint is you want ICOs to be very visible and open to everyone on a equal availability basis. I think that makes the most sense as well, because you raise the most money for the developers. But I guess they have a different strategy.

Why be so jealous? You missed one. Move on. There will be many others. You win some, you lose some. Anal retention isn't healthy (and I say that sincerely, not being against you).

I do not want to discuss my personal jealousy nor my anal rentention - those traits are my own to deal with. Their existence or non existence can not change any of the observable facts that have taken place.

I wish to discuss only the observable facts regarding the IOTA ICO and other ICO's.

This ICO was not announced or advertised well enough compared to other big ICO's. I strongly suspect huge manipulation within this specific ICO compared to other large well advertised and far better distributed ICO's especially those with POW phases. This after NXT1 by the same people deserves to be mentioned as frequently as possible. Even though if they were not related it would not make much difference to me a scam is a scam.

I do not single out only IOTA. This pressure should be put upon all those conducting unregulated and non transparent ICO's. Forcing a very very broad initial distribution is the only way to prevent such manipulation taking place.

If they stop spamming the main board until it's released and proven to have some merit then we can move on to focus on future scams rather than ones that have already taken place. It's like darkcoin...should be left alone until they start spamming the main board. Then it is good to highlight it started as a scam. It is not only good because it holds them back as much as possible but others thinking to try the same tricks may consider that these things are not forgotten and it is an incentive to do things fairly to the best of their abilities.

I know things are not as simple as they seem. I can't get into a philosophical debate of the larger picture. I simply can not deal with needing to hold and manipulate this amount of data with regard to every  thought i have. Some things have to remain simple and concrete until they become easily observable as false. To me the IOTA ico was unfair and is being manipulated far more than a fair release POW would have been...., or even an ICO with huge advertising before and during the sale (for larger distribution) and having a POW phase too.

Even if you are anonymint I will not heed your advice this time and move on from IOTA - no more than any other scam I see here. If you believe  my jealousy and my anal issues are the only driving force here then I will not seek to change your opinion since I know you usually go to extreme lengths to analyse and evaluate before making statements.

The vast majority of your other posts and points though I enjoy reading and if it is you I am pleased that you have returned. I am unhappy to be on the other side of the fence over this but it will have no bearing for me on other topics.

IOTA is not the way to run an ICO if you do not want to be accused of running a scam. So future ICO's should make sure to get as wide of a distribution as possible through vast advertising on this board and other areas and include a POW phase. All reasonable attempts should be perhaps given the benefit of the doubt. It seems we are not going back to POW anytime soon.

There are many scams on this board IOTA is but one.





 

[cryptohunter]

So it seems like DecentralizeEconomics and altcoinUK have still not dared to accept iotatoken's bet.  

How typical..all bark, no bite

If you guys have any self-respect whatsoever, please accept the bet. Coz otherwise, you guys sound a pair of clowns..

Warning! IOTA shill/sockpuppet alert.

Please stop beating around the bush and please accept the bet. We are all waiting.

Flinging wild accusations around won't get you off the hook. You can still save your face. Just accept the bet. You might lose, but you will still gain a lot of respect that you seem to have completely lost as of now.

Thanks!

Listen loser.  Nobody is going to make a bet with you morons, because anyone with common sense knows that it won't be judged fairly or subjectively.  Not to mention the fact that David doesn't have two nickels to rub together without dipping into company money.  David is a habitual gambler and is now attempting to commit malfeasance by betting with IOTA funds.

I am a sock puppet scammer for iota

^^^^^^^^^^^ zero credibility and will be added to my known list of iota scammers and pumpers thread.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


this is the problem with IOTA lazy sock puppet creation too. I mean I have never seen an ICO with so many obvious sock puppets on it.

[LiQio]

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are we signature spamming again?