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[savetherainforest]

Who missed the bull move to 13k ?

Who sold at the bottom??

I have not often sold my Bitcoin in the last 7 years...but when I do "I always' manage to have sold at the bottom.

(hey, it's a gift!) Do this enough, and like 'magic', you will find yourself a Bitcoin Hodl'er before you know it!

The 'dumbest' move was selling 13 BTC at $3,900.00 then watching it go to like $3,400 and feeling pretty proud of myself

then it goes back up to $13k like now ..then down again..and now back around $13k..so baring health issues....not gonna happen.

I did manage to get 5 BTC back by 'buying' back in much higher than the BTC was worth when I sold it.....so it goes.

Brad


edit: Those 8 BTC I'm still down look kinda 'daunting' to get back now, don't ya know.

I don't understand why people don't understand that with 0.001 BTc in 10 years u could own work force slaves, FOR THEIR ENTIRE LIFE !


Edit: Imagine you having 13000 slaves hand carving in stone to build your own personal pyramid.

impossibru:
1. 0.001 btc is worth just $10K when btc is at 10mil. each earth inhabitant can have ~0.00278 btc (on average).
2. see #1

U'r a bit thick ... ... Imagine inflation plz. a person for the future lives like 100 years on average (lets assume). But 0.001 will not be payment for the year lets say 2031 or 2032... etc... U will actually pay a fraction of that 0.001... They will get 0.00000250 monthly wage or some nonsense like that, depending on what country they live in. But there will be plenty of robots competing for work force in 2030+. And as the years advance deflation kicks in and instead of 0.00000250 corn... they will get even less. Also... the business you will create from their work productivity, you will get most of the corn back from selling their precious "hand crafted-carved stones".

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[DaRude]

It would have been nice to get this attention in any other context.  WikiLeaks Iran has kicked the hornet's nest, and the swarm is headed towards us.

[cAPSLOCK]

Bitcoin & Banks, it hurts those two words are slowly merging into one.

We can outcompete these fellas no worries; we vaguely know what we're doing and what Bitcoin does. Them, less so.




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Also... this will not stop being true for the technical elite.

The fact that WE CAN be our own banks is the revolution.  Not that we HAVE to.

[cAPSLOCK]

This, although technically awesome, has always been a worry of mine.

What will be the reaction of the "good guys" when the "bad guys" go first into the new world?

My analysis on how this turns out if FAR from complete...  maybe good?  I hope so.

[Biodom]

Who missed the bull move to 13k ?

Who sold at the bottom??

I have not often sold my Bitcoin in the last 7 years...but when I do "I always' manage to have sold at the bottom.

(hey, it's a gift!) Do this enough, and like 'magic', you will find yourself a Bitcoin Hodl'er before you know it!

The 'dumbest' move was selling 13 BTC at $3,900.00 then watching it go to like $3,400 and feeling pretty proud of myself

then it goes back up to $13k like now ..then down again..and now back around $13k..so baring health issues....not gonna happen.

I did manage to get 5 BTC back by 'buying' back in much higher than the BTC was worth when I sold it.....so it goes.

Brad


edit: Those 8 BTC I'm still down look kinda 'daunting' to get back now, don't ya know.

I don't understand why people don't understand that with 0.001 BTc in 10 years u could own work force slaves, FOR THEIR ENTIRE LIFE !


Edit: Imagine you having 13000 slaves hand carving in stone to build your own personal pyramid.

impossibru:
1. 0.001 btc is worth just $10K when btc is at 10mil. each earth inhabitant can have ~0.00278 btc (on average).
2. see #1

U'r a bit thick ... ... Imagine inflation plz. a person for the future lives like 100 years on average (lets assume). But 0.001 will not be payment for the year lets say 2031 or 2032... etc... U will actually pay a fraction of that 0.001... They will get 0.00000250 monthly wage or some nonsense like that, depending on what country they live in. But there will be plenty of robots competing for work force in 2030+. And as the years advance deflation kicks in and instead of 0.00000250 corn... they will get even less. Also... the business you will create from their work productivity, you will get most of the corn back from selling their precious "hand crafted-carved stones".

or, it turns out that you are wrong and 2030 would be mostly the same as 2019.
inflation, robots...oh, my! are robots inflationary?

[explorer]

Who missed the bull move to 13k ?

Who sold at the bottom??

I have not often sold my Bitcoin in the last 7 years...but when I do "I always' manage to have sold at the bottom.

(hey, it's a gift!) Do this enough, and like 'magic', you will find yourself a Bitcoin Hodl'er before you know it!

The 'dumbest' move was selling 13 BTC at $3,900.00 then watching it go to like $3,400 and feeling pretty proud of myself

then it goes back up to $13k like now ..then down again..and now back around $13k..so baring health issues....not gonna happen.

I did manage to get 5 BTC back by 'buying' back in much higher than the BTC was worth when I sold it.....so it goes.

Brad


edit: Those 8 BTC I'm still down look kinda 'daunting' to get back now, don't ya know.

I don't understand why people don't understand that with 0.001 BTc in 10 years u could own work force slaves, FOR THEIR ENTIRE LIFE !


Edit: Imagine you having 13000 slaves hand carving in stone to build your own personal pyramid.

impossibru:
1. 0.001 btc is worth just $10K when btc is at 10mil. each earth inhabitant can have ~0.00278 btc (on average).
2. see #1

U'r a bit thick ... ... Imagine inflation plz. a person for the future lives like 100 years on average (lets assume). But 0.001 will not be payment for the year lets say 2031 or 2032... etc... U will actually pay a fraction of that 0.001... They will get 0.00000250 monthly wage or some nonsense like that, depending on what country they live in. But there will be plenty of robots competing for work force in 2030+. And as the years advance deflation kicks in and instead of 0.00000250 corn... they will get even less. Also... the business you will create from their work productivity, you will get most of the corn back from selling their precious "hand crafted-carved stones".

or, it turns out that you are wrong and 2030 would be mostly the same as 2019.
inflation, robots...oh, my! are robots inflationary?

   Consider the possibility (probability?) of major grid disruptions or destruction before 2030 due to rapidly changing geo-solar-galactic conditions.  Shit doesn't go straight up forever.  Tech and human population are coming due for a masssive bear market.  Unpopular, I know.

[DaRude]

This, although technically awesome, has always been a worry of mine.

What will be the reaction of the "good guys" when the "bad guys" go first into the new world?

My analysis on how this turns out if FAR from complete...  maybe good?  I hope so.

It was inevitable, but i was hoping BTC would be more integrated with the "good guys" first, PayPal is move in the right direction, but would've been great if we had an ETF before getting the pressure from the "bad guys"


Edit: on a flip side it's not a panacea for "bad guys" they always had an option to go to gold standard. No gov wants to loose control over finances. BTC would hugely increase their capital flight

[savetherainforest]

   Consider the possibility (probability?) of major grid disruptions or destruction before 2030 due to rapidly changing geo-solar-galactic conditions.  Shit doesn't go straight up forever.  Tech and human population are coming due for a masssive bear market.  Unpopular, I know.

Yeah... sure.... lets all build bunkers and then call it quits.

[nutildah]

It was inevitable, but i was hoping BTC would be more integrated with the "good guys" first, PayPal is move in the right direction, but would've been great if we had an ETF before getting the pressure from the "bad guys"

There's a few ETF-like things already being publicly traded, like the Grayscale Bitcoin Trust, but I do agree an actual Bitcoin ETF would be more symbolic. Hopefully all the progress bitcoin has made in permeating the regulatory-sphere won't be unwound by what's going on in Iran. With any luck they'll give BTC a break (they must know its easily traceable) and use something like Monero or Zcash (ok maybe not Zcash).

[philipma1957]

okay follow this line of thought .  how to make PayPal look like a great place to buy and hodl btc.

the answer is have a few 'criminal' countries

such as :
Iran
North Korea
Syria

fully legitimize BTC

Then PayPal hodlings are delcared legit and allowed

While private wallets are a no no.


So once again this means:

 a} BTC is or has been acknowledged for what it can be.
 b} diversity in your BTC holdings = smart.
 c} multiple core wallets = cool
 d} hardware wallet = cool
 e} coinbase = better then yesterday
 f} paypal = better then yesterday
 g} exchange with no kyc = more risky then yesterday
 h} exchange with kyc = less risky then yesterday

looks like regulation of  your source of BTC is coming for 2021.

Just saying prepare for it.

I listed 8 of many ways to hold or spend btc understand them as the ride will be very bumpy the next few years.



Note I used 'quote' criminal countries as that is my government's designation of them not mine.

but I know the usa government so I keep my holdings transparent as I can.

[Last of the V8s]

Asking for a friend...

If a girl is into you and you realize that this is because of your bitcoin, then she is not a "gold digger", but what?

first couple of choices:

1. "just being smart"
2. bitcoin "post-miner" (or a "miner of bitcoin miner")
3. hodl-hodler

make your own...

4. sat-sucker
5. node-puller
6. Wall-breaker
7. merit whore

[ivomm]

FT: PayPal is shilling crypto on the internet

The battle against fiat is truly in full swing. Hot on the heels of Nigel Farage’s declaration of war against the financial system and inducement to freedom-lovers everywhere to stock up on gold and silver, we now have another call to arms. But this time, it’s different. This time, it’s crypto....

https://www.ft.com/content/826eedac-b0cd-4591-897a-9e83cf697060

[Elwar]

Who missed the bull move to 13k ?

Who sold at the bottom??

I have not often sold my Bitcoin in the last 7 years...but when I do "I always' manage to have sold at the bottom.

(hey, it's a gift!) Do this enough, and like 'magic', you will find yourself a Bitcoin Hodl'er before you know it!

The 'dumbest' move was selling 13 BTC at $3,900.00 then watching it go to like $3,400 and feeling pretty proud of myself

then it goes back up to $13k like now ..then down again..and now back around $13k..so baring health issues....not gonna happen.

I did manage to get 5 BTC back by 'buying' back in much higher than the BTC was worth when I sold it.....so it goes.

Brad


edit: Those 8 BTC I'm still down look kinda 'daunting' to get back now, don't ya know.

I don't understand why people don't understand that with 0.001 BTc in 10 years u could own work force slaves, FOR THEIR ENTIRE LIFE !


Edit: Imagine you having 13000 slaves hand carving into stone to build your own personal pyramid.

Knowing this is how I sleep soundly at night while hodling bitcoins.

[explorer]

   Consider the possibility (probability?) of major grid disruptions or destruction before 2030 due to rapidly changing geo-solar-galactic conditions.  Shit doesn't go straight up forever.  Tech and human population are coming due for a masssive bear market.  Unpopular, I know.

Yeah... sure.... lets all build bunkers and then call it quits.

   Quitting is for losers, but removing some eggs from the basket toward the end of next year would be advisable, IMO.  Hard assets to balance the load a little...

[sirazimuth]

... Why else would somebody put "such" and "moon" together in a single name? Its not even grammatically correct! Clearly the result of devil lettuce-induced brain damage.

such cool
so shibe
very wow
many moon...etc, etc.....

[Elwar]

Why sell when your coins are welcome here:

[Biodom]

Asking for a friend...

If a girl is into you and you realize that this is because of your bitcoin, then she is not a "gold digger", but what?

first couple of choices:

1. "just being smart"
2. bitcoin "post-miner" (or a "miner of bitcoin miner")
3. hodl-hodler

make your own...

4. sat-sucker
5. node-puller
6. Wall-breaker
7. merit whore

lol re 4-5, did not get 6,7...an explanation is not needed, though.

[philipma1957]

Asking for a friend...

If a girl is into you and you realize that this is because of your bitcoin, then she is not a "gold digger", but what?

first couple of choices:

1. "just being smart"
2. bitcoin "post-miner" (or a "miner of bitcoin miner")
3. hodl-hodler

make your own...

4. sat-sucker
5. node-puller
6. Wall-breaker
7. merit whore

lol re 4-5, did not get 6,7...an explanation not needed, though.

while 4 and 5 are sexist they are funny as hell.

If I were 25 with a few hundred btc I would want 1 of each.

And play non- binary games all day and all night.

[JayJuanGee]

while i dont see 100k in 2021.

right now today if we matched 2017 we need to be at 78k.

this is base on mining profit.

so I think we could get to 78k by nov 2021.

for me i need 26-30k to be doing well with my mining farm.

IMHO, I see BTC being a bit over or around $20k at the end of 2021. (I can't believe I'm saying only, when I got into BTC Sept 18th, 2013 it was $150).

Anyway, my reasoning is as follows (1) blowback and FUD from the powerful/banker/and vested interests that will try to distract and such on BTC/Crypto...there

is always a 'backlash' in that area (2) Times are tough and they may get worse..thus some will 'reasonably' take some money out of the long term HODL

wallets for real-life issues, again, IMHO. Also, quite frankly if you are a 'huge' whale even taking 5% off your hoard at $20k would be tempting...not a big

deal if you just did so, but if everyone else thinks the same due to the sucky economic times I expect in 2021 it all adds up.

(3) Human nature for the long term HODL'ers to take some profits....and I think $20k for a long term Hodl'er with more BTC than myself will be 'convinced'

to sell some in the coming recession and bad economic times...especially as a hedge, and if he is older than say 55 years old, or so. Again, the economy gets sketchy

what else can you move 24/7 ..as a hedge against, what I expect is a 'sucky' year on the whole economically for the world, in 2021.

(now, am I gonna get beat up on WO for this post!) Anyway, if I am right on my prediction of dismalness...that is not so bad ..if the 100k in 2021 comes to pass

I'll take the fall on this post then)

Sketchy...what else can you sell/move but BTC/Crypto 24/7 on a whim of you against the world/universe if 2021 sucks as bad as I suspect.

Brad

That's it, Searing turned "bearish". It's all over now, get your ready bags packed, fits hitting the shan!
Get your tissues, whole lot of tears are coming.

Seems that you have NOT been tuning into the WO frequently enough, PoolMinor.  In essence, Searing has always been a glass half full kind of guy who has been more than willing to spout out pessimistic views while apparently mostly HODLing through the vast majority of it, while complaining the whole time.

There are worse kinds of bear/bulls or whatever might be the proper label for such a HODLer, as the constantly fearing Searing.   

[philipma1957]

while i dont see 100k in 2021.

right now today if we matched 2017 we need to be at 78k.

this is base on mining profit.

so I think we could get to 78k by nov 2021.

for me i need 26-30k to be doing well with my mining farm.

IMHO, I see BTC being a bit over or around $20k at the end of 2021. (I can't believe I'm saying only, when I got into BTC Sept 18th, 2013 it was $150).

Anyway, my reasoning is as follows (1) blowback and FUD from the powerful/banker/and vested interests that will try to distract and such on BTC/Crypto...there

is always a 'backlash' in that area (2) Times are tough and they may get worse..thus some will 'reasonably' take some money out of the long term HODL

wallets for real-life issues, again, IMHO. Also, quite frankly if you are a 'huge' whale even taking 5% off your hoard at $20k would be tempting...not a big

deal if you just did so, but if everyone else thinks the same due to the sucky economic times I expect in 2021 it all adds up.

(3) Human nature for the long term HODL'ers to take some profits....and I think $20k for a long term Hodl'er with more BTC than myself will be 'convinced'

to sell some in the coming recession and bad economic times...especially as a hedge, and if he is older than say 55 years old, or so. Again, the economy gets sketchy

what else can you move 24/7 ..as a hedge against, what I expect is a 'sucky' year on the whole economically for the world, in 2021.

(now, am I gonna get beat up on WO for this post!) Anyway, if I am right on my prediction of dismalness...that is not so bad ..if the 100k in 2021 comes to pass

I'll take the fall on this post then)

Sketchy...what else can you sell/move but BTC/Crypto 24/7 on a whim of you against the world/universe if 2021 sucks as bad as I suspect.

Brad

That's it, Searing turned "bearish". It's all over now, get your ready bags packed, fits hitting the shan!
Get your tissues, whole lot of tears are coming.

Seems that you have NOT been tuning into the WO frequently enough, PoolMinor.  In essence, Searing has always been a glass half full kind of guy who has been more than willing to spout out pessimistic views while apparently mostly HODLing through the vast majority of it, while complaining the whole time.

There are worse kinds of bear/bulls or whatever might be the proper label for such a HODLer, as the constantly fearing Searing.    

searing had a lot of btc in dec 2017.

I could not convince him to sell even 1 coin. 18000 or 19000 or 18000

And he ended up selling a lot at 3900.

This time around I think he may sell some at 18.