Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history)

[c789]

It still wont offer anonymity comparable to Zerocash or Cryptonote...That's why the original Zerocoin devs abandoned it.

If it offers complete anonymity then what is the difference with that offered by cryptonote?

What concerns me about cryptonote is the developers. They have already engaged in one very elaborate hoax. Is it possible they have embedded something in that technology that will bite people?

Anoncoin developers are more trustworthy at least, even if they do not rush. When they started anoncoin they knew that they would be scrutinized and targeted by the people who threw Aaron Swartz over a cliff and used Sabu or whatever his name was to try to discredit a basic human value. There is no doubt whatsoever that the usg has people tasked with only trying to discredit the anonymous image or meme, and no doubt that they see anoncoin as a potential cutting edge. Still anoncoin developers do their work. I have bought small amounts of anoncoin at prices ranging I think from about 50 cents to around 8 dollars, if I,m not mistaken. If it were to drop to a penny I would continue buying and of course if it rises to $300 I will sell some as I am tired of sleeping in my car.

If you have information that there is a flaw in zero whatever that anoncoin is developing then please be specific. Otherwise it does just sound like you are marketing for another coin.

I'm a fan of both Anoncoin and *CN coins. As for the *CN devs "embedding something," the source code is publicly available at github for each coin, so as long as you're building from source (and examining the code, as I'm sure some of the users of the coin do), then no worries.

Anoncoin seems to be doing fine. People on here get frustrated because of the relative lack of involvement from the devs, but that doesn't mean the devs are careless or not working on this, since we know they are as evidenced by activity on github. If anything, it means the devs are doing what devs do best: developing. We just need to give them time to do what they do.

will others really make all source public?

I know that FCN, QCN, and XMR  have their source code published, as does Anoncoin (and, of course, BTC). I wouldn't use any coin if it was closed-source. How would one know what you were running?

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[darkota]

I know that FCN, QCN, and XMR  have their source code published, as does Anoncoin (and, of course, BTC). I wouldn't use any coin if it was closed-source. How would one know what you were running?

Here is my thinking regarding cn, especially bcn.

1) We know that bcn has been presented and marketed in a dishonest way. The premine or stealth mine was huge and there are lots of shills that are posting trying to pull people into buying bcn. It is a very elaborate hoax that took a considerable amount of time and ingenuity to develop.

2) Nevertheless, the crypto involved seems to be accepted as very sophisticated.

The people who developed cryptonote seem very obviously connected to bytecoin bcn. So they are some extremely bright people who have no hesitation to scam. The question then is where does the scam end?

Is cn good solid crypto invented to develop the bcn scam? In other words does the scam involving the cn people not involve cn itself, but only bcn?

Or did they manage to embed some weakness in cn that could later be exploited?

We already know that they will scam when they can, so the question really is "Were they able to create a cryptographic system that would withstand basic scrutiny, but in fact be dirty"? Is it possible to do that?

You're very weird. I've read your posts and it's either

1) You're foreign and can't speak English well...as I can't understand what you type most of the time
2) You're weird

Anyway, the cryptonote coins are open sourced, and full of cryptographers who check the source whenever a update is made. That can't be said for coins like Darkcoin, where darksend/masternodes are closed source so anything could be happening behind the scenes.

[Saigonsmokes]

I know that FCN, QCN, and XMR  have their source code published, as does Anoncoin (and, of course, BTC). I wouldn't use any coin if it was closed-source. How would one know what you were running?

Here is my thinking regarding cn, especially bcn.

1) We know that bcn has been presented and marketed in a dishonest way. The premine or stealth mine was huge and there are lots of shills that are posting trying to pull people into buying bcn. It is a very elaborate hoax that took a considerable amount of time and ingenuity to develop.

2) Nevertheless, the crypto involved seems to be accepted as very sophisticated.

The people who developed cryptonote seem very obviously connected to bytecoin bcn. So they are some extremely bright people who have no hesitation to scam. The question then is where does the scam end?

Is cn good solid crypto invented to develop the bcn scam? In other words does the scam involving the cn people not involve cn itself, but only bcn?

Or did they manage to embed some weakness in cn that could later be exploited?

We already know that they will scam when they can, so the question really is "Were they able to create a cryptographic system that would withstand basic scrutiny, but in fact be dirty"? Is it possible to do that?

You're very weird. I've read your posts and it's either

1) You're foreign and can't speak English well...as I can't understand what you type most of the time
2) You're weird

Anyway, the cryptonote coins are open sourced, and full of cryptographers who check the source whenever a update is made. That can't be said for coins like Darkcoin, where darksend/masternodes are closed source so anything could be happening behind the scenes.

Ignore DARKOTA he is a troll who PUMPS and DUMPS - Look at his original thread here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=658541.100

Then look here:

 https://bitcointa.lk/threads/litecoin-is-officially-dead.331214/page-5

Troll on indeed:

http://coinmap.org/
www.uselitecoin.com

This thread is starting to show the true TROLL: I have been PM'ing everyone in this thread, some have even joined the Litecoin Talk forum because of this troll so i actually think its ok his lies - everyone is being PM'd this:

'Litecoin is dead'

Look at the original thread - he has deleted more than 40 posts from people supporting Litecoin, he is a troll who pumps and dumps

[geekz]

Dear friends total 10 pages have been created on wiki page for Anoncoin. You can view them here : http://anoncoin.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Anoncoin
None of the articles can be taken as complete. So, please share your views & suggestions , and also i request to contribute there.
You can also suggest a few page or article ideas to be added there.

[geekz]

Update on Anoncoin Blockchain Explorer : http://ancblockchain.com/chain/Anoncoin
The block explorer is still unstable. I did not block googlebot completely, and the site goes down when googlebot hammers the site with multiple requests. New update in Abe Explorer code has not been added to get the scrypt policy working correct. These tasks will be completed within next one week.

Any help or suggestions are welcome.
*NOTE : I accept donations from community to create better services for Anoncoin, so its my duty to report progress details to the community .

[Gnosis-]

Dear friends total 10 pages have been created on wiki page for Anoncoin. You can view them here : http://anoncoin.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Anoncoin
None of the articles can be taken as complete. So, please share your views & suggestions , and also i request to contribute there.
You can also suggest a few page or article ideas to be added there.

Hey, this helps a lot. Thanks! We might be able to find better hosting than wikia.com, though

[Gnosis-]

It's true that we are a bit short-staffed (I and most of the other devs have full-time jobs). If anybody knows a developer who is interested in Zerocoin, forward him/her my way.

It would be useful for the dev to know at least one of these (but the more the better):

• C++ (especially bitcoin/litecoin/*coin clients)
• cryptography (especially public key)
• distributed computing

Just a status update: I am putting the finishing touches on the UFO server, which will talk to the UFO clients (source and instructions at https://github.com/Anoncoin/ufo_client ). I expect it to be ready by tomorrow at the latest.  Once again, if you want to participate and have CPU cores to spare, message me with your nick and pubkey, as described in the above instructions.  When this is up and running, I will return to working on libzerocoin improvements and integration with the Anoncoin wallet.

As for those concerned about price drops when deadlines are missed: I for one am thinking about the long haul, and I do not care at all about short-term speculators. When a working Zerocoin is released, the price will increase dramatically, and stay consistently high. If I try to rush this to meet a deadline, the quality will be sub-optimal. That's just how it is.

And pay no attention to those who say development has stopped on this. I have invested hundreds of hours of my time on this, and I am going to finish it even if it kills me.  

[lunokhod2]

It's true that we are a bit short-staffed (I and most of the other devs have full-time jobs). If anybody knows a developer who is interested in Zerocoin, forward him/her my way.

It would be useful for the dev to know at least one of these (but the more the better):

• C++ (especially bitcoin/litecoin/*coin clients)
• cryptography (especially public key)
• distributed computing

Just a status update: I am putting the finishing touches on the UFO server, which will talk to the UFO clients (source and instructions at https://github.com/Anoncoin/ufo_client ). I expect it to be ready by tomorrow at the latest.  Once again, if you want to participate and have CPU cores to spare, message me with your nick and pubkey, as described in the above instructions.  When this is up and running, I will return to working on libzerocoin improvements and integration with the Anoncoin wallet.

As for those concerned about price drops when deadlines are missed: I for one am thinking about the long haul, and I do not care at all about short-term speculators. When a working Zerocoin is released, the price will increase dramatically, and stay consistently high. If I try to rush this to meet a deadline, the quality will be sub-optimal. That's just how it is.

And pay no attention to those who say development has stopped on this. I have invested hundreds of hours of my time on this, and I am going to finish it even if it kills me.  

Gnosis, that's great to hear that the UFO client will be up and running tomorrow.

Would it be possible to give a conservative, realistic estimate for when the Zerocoin testnet will be up an running? I think that most of us realize that software projects take longer than anticipated, and some of the discontent in this thread is based on the fact that previous estimates were, in retrospect, overly optimistic. If you could make a conservative estimate, and then multiply the time by two, that will shut many people up for awhile...

And thanks for devoting your time to this. If there is anyway we can help out, just let us know. I know that money is not always the solution, but if it is a limiting factor, I am sure that many people would be willing to donate.

[IloveAnonCoin]

It's true that we are a bit short-staffed (I and most of the other devs have full-time jobs). If anybody knows a developer who is interested in Zerocoin, forward him/her my way.

It would be useful for the dev to know at least one of these (but the more the better):

• C++ (especially bitcoin/litecoin/*coin clients)
• cryptography (especially public key)
• distributed computing

Just a status update: I am putting the finishing touches on the UFO server, which will talk to the UFO clients (source and instructions at https://github.com/Anoncoin/ufo_client ). I expect it to be ready by tomorrow at the latest.  Once again, if you want to participate and have CPU cores to spare, message me with your nick and pubkey, as described in the above instructions.  When this is up and running, I will return to working on libzerocoin improvements and integration with the Anoncoin wallet.

As for those concerned about price drops when deadlines are missed: I for one am thinking about the long haul, and I do not care at all about short-term speculators. When a working Zerocoin is released, the price will increase dramatically, and stay consistently high. If I try to rush this to meet a deadline, the quality will be sub-optimal. That's just how it is.

And pay no attention to those who say development has stopped on this. I have invested hundreds of hours of my time on this, and I am going to finish it even if it kills me.  

I'm interesting in it.
How can I participate ?

[Gnosis-]

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Would it be possible to give a conservative, realistic estimate for when the Zerocoin testnet will be up an running? I think that most of us realize that software projects take longer than anticipated, and some of the discontent in this thread is based on the fact that previous estimates were, in retrospect, overly optimistic. If you could make a conservative estimate, and then multiply the time by two, that will shut many people up for awhile...
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September 20th.

[Gnosis-]

It's true that we are a bit short-staffed (I and most of the other devs have full-time jobs). If anybody knows a developer who is interested in Zerocoin, forward him/her my way.

It would be useful for the dev to know at least one of these (but the more the better):

• C++ (especially bitcoin/litecoin/*coin clients)
• cryptography (especially public key)
• distributed computing

Just a status update: I am putting the finishing touches on the UFO server, which will talk to the UFO clients (source and instructions at https://github.com/Anoncoin/ufo_client ). I expect it to be ready by tomorrow at the latest.  Once again, if you want to participate and have CPU cores to spare, message me with your nick and pubkey, as described in the above instructions.  When this is up and running, I will return to working on libzerocoin improvements and integration with the Anoncoin wallet.

As for those concerned about price drops when deadlines are missed: I for one am thinking about the long haul, and I do not care at all about short-term speculators. When a working Zerocoin is released, the price will increase dramatically, and stay consistently high. If I try to rush this to meet a deadline, the quality will be sub-optimal. That's just how it is.

And pay no attention to those who say development has stopped on this. I have invested hundreds of hours of my time on this, and I am going to finish it even if it kills me.  

I'm interesting in it.
How can I participate ?

Well, that depends. What are your skills?

[IloveAnonCoin]

It's true that we are a bit short-staffed (I and most of the other devs have full-time jobs). If anybody knows a developer who is interested in Zerocoin, forward him/her my way.

It would be useful for the dev to know at least one of these (but the more the better):

• C++ (especially bitcoin/litecoin/*coin clients)
• cryptography (especially public key)
• distributed computing

Just a status update: I am putting the finishing touches on the UFO server, which will talk to the UFO clients (source and instructions at https://github.com/Anoncoin/ufo_client ). I expect it to be ready by tomorrow at the latest.  Once again, if you want to participate and have CPU cores to spare, message me with your nick and pubkey, as described in the above instructions.  When this is up and running, I will return to working on libzerocoin improvements and integration with the Anoncoin wallet.

As for those concerned about price drops when deadlines are missed: I for one am thinking about the long haul, and I do not care at all about short-term speculators. When a working Zerocoin is released, the price will increase dramatically, and stay consistently high. If I try to rush this to meet a deadline, the quality will be sub-optimal. That's just how it is.

And pay no attention to those who say development has stopped on this. I have invested hundreds of hours of my time on this, and I am going to finish it even if it kills me.  

I'm interesting in it.
How can I participate ?

Well, that depends. What are your skills?

I can fulfill all your requirement, and 1 month available.

[Gnosis-]

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I'm interesting in it.
How can I participate ?

Well, that depends. What are your skills?

I can fulfill all your requirement, and 1 month available.

You can start by checking out the "zerocoin" branch of https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin and looking in src/libzerocoin . Try reading Tutorial.cpp to get an overall feel for how zerocoin works, then move on to understanding the rest of it. Most of that code was not written by me, by the way.

We will need to integrate libzerocoin with Anoncoin:

• loading and saving zerocoins
• pushing zerocoins into another wallet file (creating a new one if doesn't exist), and pulling them from another wallet file
• updating the protocol
• updating the blockchain format (both network and on disk)
• the Qt GUI

Also join #anoncoin on either Freenode or Irc2P (preferred). I'm there more frequently than here.

[Arbitrageur]

tried to withdraw some anc from cryptsy 24 hrs ago, still pending. they are aware of the issue and trying to fix it. anyone else in the same situation?

[Apraksin]

tried to withdraw some anc from cryptsy 24 hrs ago, still pending. they are aware of the issue and trying to fix it. anyone else in the same situation?

Been like that for a few days now, many who's had the same experience. I got my ANC after 4 days.

[K1773R]

tried to withdraw some anc from cryptsy 24 hrs ago, still pending. they are aware of the issue and trying to fix it. anyone else in the same situation?

everyone has this problem with craptsy. pls use other exchanges.

[JamesDukes]

tried to withdraw some anc from cryptsy 24 hrs ago, still pending. they are aware of the issue and trying to fix it. anyone else in the same situation?

Been like that for a few days now, many who's had the same experience. I got my ANC after 4 days.

It's been four days after being processed for me....and the last two emails I sent to support I haven't had any response at all.

[WDL]

tried to withdraw some anc from cryptsy 24 hrs ago, still pending. they are aware of the issue and trying to fix it. anyone else in the same situation?

everyone has this problem with craptsy. pls use other exchanges.

I withdrew some anc ,processed  immediately.

[CycleSurfer360]

[...]

I'm interesting in it.
How can I participate ?

Well, that depends. What are your skills?

I can fulfill all your requirement, and 1 month available.

You can start by checking out the "zerocoin" branch of https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin and looking in src/libzerocoin . Try reading Tutorial.cpp to get an overall feel for how zerocoin works, then move on to understanding the rest of it. Most of that code was not written by me, by the way.

We will need to integrate libzerocoin with Anoncoin:

• loading and saving zerocoins
• pushing zerocoins into another wallet file (creating a new one if doesn't exist), and pulling them from another wallet file
• updating the protocol
• updating the blockchain format (both network and on disk)
• the Qt GUI

Also join #anoncoin on either Freenode or Irc2P (preferred). I'm there more frequently than here.

When zerocoin is successfully implemented on Anoncoin, all the developers will be immortalized forever in bitcoin history -- the first to implement a truly anonymous coin.

[darkota]

[...]

I'm interesting in it.
How can I participate ?

Well, that depends. What are your skills?

I can fulfill all your requirement, and 1 month available.

You can start by checking out the "zerocoin" branch of https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin and looking in src/libzerocoin . Try reading Tutorial.cpp to get an overall feel for how zerocoin works, then move on to understanding the rest of it. Most of that code was not written by me, by the way.

We will need to integrate libzerocoin with Anoncoin:

• loading and saving zerocoins
• pushing zerocoins into another wallet file (creating a new one if doesn't exist), and pulling them from another wallet file
• updating the protocol
• updating the blockchain format (both network and on disk)
• the Qt GUI

Also join #anoncoin on either Freenode or Irc2P (preferred). I'm there more frequently than here.

When zerocoin is successfully implemented on Anoncoin, all the developers will be immortalized forever in bitcoin history -- the first to implement a truly anonymous coin.

Lol, too bad it's never gonna happen. There hasn't even been 1 commit on Github. The "devs" arent going to implement zerocoin, it was all talk.

Not to mention, Cryptonote is more anonymous than zerocoin "would" be. Im 100% sure that zerocoin will never be made, why you may ask? Because it was abandoned by it's own devs.