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January 04, 2014, 05:07:46 PM
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And Obama promised that, "if you like your healthcare plan you can keep it". Try suing him on that statement.

*cough cough* sovereign immunity COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND UNRELATED SITUATION *cough cough*

Its very similar entity makes promise it knows it cannot keep, prosecution fails due to the slowness of the court system so the entity does not get caught or held liable im any way shape or form.

Just because there was a promise does not mean that entity will keep the promise. If a corporation knows they can make money with a false promise, or by not keeping a promise then they will do just that.

And this is called fraud, which carries both civil and criminal penalties. There's a reason only criminals do this...

Good luck getting them convicted of fraud and your money back. Just because someone is legally wrong and you can win the case does not gaurrantee restitution. HF will be bankrupt on purpose before any lawsuite is conplete. Point being that a promise without backing will not protect you and the legal system will not protect you in a timeley manner which means you will probably never succeed in recouping the promised funds even though they broke the law.

Good thing they have working chips which means their IP is worth quite a bit. If they somehow ran out of money that would be what you would go after.


And by the time you were able to obtain their intellectual property it probably would be obsolete and worthless.
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January 04, 2014, 09:06:37 PM
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Has anyone gotten tracking?..

That's LukeJr. He gets everything first. What about the rest of us? :/

Where the fuck is our stuff?

Where are my B1 rigs? Sad

(do i have to continue?)

Broken disk, maybe it has this meaning only in italian.

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Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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January 04, 2014, 09:26:41 PM
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Mod note: I removed a number of posts just repetitively ask "Where is our hardware?", and a number of posts contemplating the uselessness of these questions. Clearly asking it here isn't getting anywhere. I suggest you direct those questions directly to hashfast— and maybe just provide a weekly summary here on your (non-)progress, if that.

Posting multiple times purely to express your displeasure just makes the thread harder to follow for someone trying to extract useful information from it. If you're not going to add anything that other people would find useful in either evaluating the hardware or trying to not get screwed over their purchase of the hardware, at least confine yourself to a single post. Thanks.

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January 04, 2014, 10:00:40 PM
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Has anyone been able to get in touch with HashFast so we can express our concerns?..


 
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January 04, 2014, 10:04:13 PM
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Does anyone live in San Francisco, California?


 
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January 04, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
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Does anyone live in San Francisco, California?

I do, and I would be happy to meet up with the HashFast team in person again to voice customer concerns. I visited their office before on October 30, but I doubt they would invite me over at this point. My support tickets and refund requests have been ignored since early November. Even if they do I would surely have to sign an NDA so they might as well communicate to us directly. I have no doubt they are aware of our concerns.

Also I'd like to avoid being used as a tool again. Last time John gave me verbal confirmation that full BTC refunds would be given in the amount paid and that I was allowed to post that on bitcointalk (which I did). Turns out it was misinformation and made me look like a fool. Communicating through intermediaries who are not employees just gives them plausible deniability.
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January 04, 2014, 10:13:53 PM
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Also I'd like to avoid being used as tool again. Last time John gave me verbal confirmation that full BTC refunds would be given in the amount paid and that I was allowed to post that on bitcointalk (which I did). Turns out it was misinformation and made me look like a fool.

And they never denied this.
They were sure to be safe with their own criminal deadline, and they promised things they don't want to do. That's what the law is for.

Even Josh here (i'm feeding the troll, i know and i'm sorry) will agree with me that BFL would have acted in a somehow smarter way. HF was this far from the perfect scam. We got lucky. Or maybe someone saved us.

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Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
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January 05, 2014, 02:25:29 AM
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New post count is down. Don't let these bastards get away with it.

I think people are waiting to see what the "4 announcements" are, but they won't wait very long.  At least that's me.


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January 05, 2014, 03:02:56 AM
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New post count is down. Don't let these bastards get away with it.

I think people are waiting to see what the "4 announcements" are, but they won't wait very long.  At least that's me.


4 announcements?
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January 05, 2014, 04:03:57 AM
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The hashfast website has been down for a long time today, this is really starting to make me worry. Anyone know what's going on?
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January 05, 2014, 04:05:23 AM
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The hashfast website has been down for a long time today, this is really starting to make me worry. Anyone know what's going on?

That makes you worry? What about everything else? lol.
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January 05, 2014, 05:14:34 AM
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Are you ready for this, guys? Seeing/reading that HashFast is no longer accepting orders, I took the incentive to use one of my seldom used Yahoo email accounts and blast them an email to see if I could elicit a response.

Email sent at 8:52 PM (CST)

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To sales@hashfast.com                                                              Today at 8:52 PM

Hello

My name is Helmut, and I'm curious as to how long it would take for me to receive 20 Sierras if I ordered today. I can pay immediately via bitcoins or bank transfer. Money is not a problem.

Also, I'm not sure if 20 units would qualify for some kind of discount, but please let me know. I would be able to purchase a few more depending of what the discount threshold is. I will also be paying for expedient shipping. I'm located in Kentucky, not too far from Bowling Green.

I look forward to your prompt reply.

Regards,

Helmut G.


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To Me                                                                             Today at 10:12 PM

Hi Helmut,

I'm following up on your enquiry regarding 20 Sierra's. The anticipated ship date for an oder placed today is late February. Our chips are outperforming spec and (as I'm sure you know) all of our competitors are slated to ship sometime between late April and June. We're the company to go with if you want to get hashing with considerable power in the near future. I can also discount you on an order of that size from $6,300 per Sierra to $5,900 per Sierra.

Let me know when you're ready to get your order into our delivery queue or if I can help answer any questions.

Best,

James Kottmeier
Director of Sales
Hashfast Technologies
415-767-8235
James@hashfast.com
Skype: Sjcolle

As you can clearly see, even though their website states that they're currently not accepting orders at this time, they will make an exception on a Saturday evening for a guy in Kentucky willing to fork over $120,000+ (including shipping fees) via Bitcoin.

But, for all you unfortunate blokes who've been blasting them emails seeking answers to serious concerns, it's fuck you and the alpaca you rode in on.

Anybody desiring a copy of the emails for their lawyer(s), feel free to PM me, whereupon I'll also provide full header details. It's the least I can do for my fellow bitcoiners.

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Honestly - how is that treacherous. They're a business; if you legitimately had 120k to spend on miners - someone from sales better fucking respond immediately if they had any sense at all. They didn't let you jump ahead of everyone in line, they didn't expose some ridiculously low price, they didn't overpromise. They didn't give you an answer that they haven't given to the paid customers and the roles that we need responses from (logistics, support, customer service) is not the same crew that would respond to a pre-sales email.

I'm waving my refund pitchfork too, but this is not another negative mark imo.

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And This.!   How is this not a deceptive?
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And This.!   How is this not a deceptive?
Let's just say the company has progressed to the point of no return with their marketing fraud - thus a "little" bit more deception and fraud doesn't really cut it. Deception and lies is the only way they can operate now, since they already lost credibility within the professional mining community.

In fact - I would postulate - that's the preferred modus operandi now, since they somehow have to recover bitcoins to get rid of their early customer liability and a complete honest business model won't generate enough profit for the HF shareholders to become rich in the process.

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Honestly - how is that treacherous. They're a business; if you legitimately had 120k to spend on miners - someone from sales better fucking respond immediately if they had any sense at all. They didn't let you jump ahead of everyone in line, they didn't expose some ridiculously low price, they didn't overpromise. They didn't give you an answer that they haven't given to the paid customers and the roles that we need responses from (logistics, support, customer service) is not the same crew that would respond to a pre-sales email.

I'm waving my refund pitchfork too, but this is not another negative mark imo.

Let's say I have a website. I sell product. Business is very, very good. So good, I suspend sales and paste on my website the following: <Sales are suspended temporarily. Please check back soon.> I inform my salesperson/staff to NOT accept any more orders, thus no reason to be manning their sales emails on a Saturday evening while probably in a bar. But, if they do reply to emails from those inquiring, the response should be along the lines: <Currently, we are not accepting any orders, but your patronage is appreciated. We will contact you as soon as we start accepting orders again.> I guarantee you that if I happened to reply to James' response, he would have supplied me a bitcoin wallet address, but doing such now may be too late, assuming he, or others at HashFast, are reading the latest posts in this thread. What the hell! I'll go ahead and reply and see if James takes the bait.
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January 05, 2014, 06:40:33 AM
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Are you ready for this, guys? Seeing/reading that HashFast is no longer accepting orders, I took the incentive to use one of my seldom used Yahoo email accounts and blast them an email to see if I could elicit a response.

Email sent at 8:52 PM (CST)

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To sales@hashfast.com                                                              Today at 8:52 PM

Hello

My name is Helmut, and I'm curious as to how long it would take for me to receive 20 Sierras if I ordered today. I can pay immediately via bitcoins or bank transfer. Money is not a problem.

Also, I'm not sure if 20 units would qualify for some kind of discount, but please let me know. I would be able to purchase a few more depending of what the discount threshold is. I will also be paying for expedient shipping. I'm located in Kentucky, not too far from Bowling Green.

I look forward to your prompt reply.

Regards,

Helmut G.


Received at 10:12 PM (CST)

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James Kottmeier

To Me                                                                             Today at 10:12 PM

Hi Helmut,

I'm following up on your enquiry regarding 20 Sierra's. The anticipated ship date for an oder placed today is late February. Our chips are outperforming spec and (as I'm sure you know) all of our competitors are slated to ship sometime between late April and June. We're the company to go with if you want to get hashing with considerable power in the near future. I can also discount you on an order of that size from $6,300 per Sierra to $5,900 per Sierra.

Let me know when you're ready to get your order into our delivery queue or if I can help answer any questions.

Best,

James Kottmeier
Director of Sales
Hashfast Technologies
415-767-8235
James@hashfast.com
Skype: Sjcolle

As you can clearly see, even though their website states that they're currently not accepting orders at this time, they will make an exception on a Saturday evening for a guy in Kentucky willing to fork over $120,000+ (including shipping fees) via Bitcoin.

But, for all you unfortunate blokes who've been blasting them emails seeking answers to serious concerns, it's fuck you and the alpaca you rode in on.

Anybody desiring a copy of the emails for their lawyer(s), feel free to PM me, whereupon I'll also provide full header details. It's the least I can do for my fellow bitcoiners.

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Honestly - how is that treacherous. They're a business; if you legitimately had 120k to spend on miners - someone from sales better fucking respond immediately if they had any sense at all. They didn't let you jump ahead of everyone in line, they didn't expose some ridiculously low price, they didn't overpromise. They didn't give you an answer that they haven't given to the paid customers and the roles that we need responses from (logistics, support, customer service) is not the same crew that would respond to a pre-sales email.

I'm waving my refund pitchfork too, but this is not another negative mark imo.

Let's say I have a website. I sell product. Business is very, very good. So good, I suspend sales and paste on my website the following: <Sales are suspended temporarily. Please check back soon.> I inform my salesperson/staff to NOT accept any more orders, thus no reason to be manning their sales emails on a Saturday evening while probably in a bar. But, if they do reply to emails from those inquiring, the response should be along the lines: <Currently, we are not accepting any orders, but your patronage is appreciated. We will contact you as soon as we start accepting orders again.> I guarantee you that if I happened to reply to James' response, he would have supplied me a bitcoin wallet address, but doing such now may be too late, assuming he, or others at HashFast, are reading the latest posts in this thread. What the hell! I'll go ahead and reply and see if James takes the bait.


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Let's say I have a website. I sell product. Business is very, very good. So good, I suspend sales and paste on my website the following: <Sales are suspended temporarily. Please check back soon.> I inform my salesperson/staff to NOT accept any more orders, thus no reason to be manning their sales emails on a Saturday evening while probably in a bar. But, if they do reply to emails from those inquiring, the response should be along the lines: <Currently, we are not accepting any orders, but your patronage is appreciated. We will contact you as soon as we start accepting orders again.>
This is basically the response you did receive. He's saying you can't have any until late February, but in a way that makes you want to discuss it further.

I guarantee you that if I happened to reply to James' response, he would have supplied me a bitcoin wallet address, but doing such now may be too late, assuming he, or others at HashFast, are reading the latest posts in this thread. What the hell! I'll go ahead and reply and see if James takes the bait.
How would taking your money be damning? That would just mean that they are still the same HashFast that they were yesterday, taking our money. They probably won't ship to you in late February either, changing nothing, and they probably would refund you in USD, even if BTC went up by 10x, which is not new either. A new low would be if they delivered to "you" before everyone else, but that's an expensive test and not really a lot of bang for your buck.

Please tell me what you read at the top of their website: http://hashfast.com/

Please tell me what you read at the bottom of their latest blog post here: http://hashfast.com/were-shipping-2013/

Please tell me again they're not treacherous.
I'm not saying they are or are not treacherous, I'm just saying that this specific email exchange does not make them any more or less treacherous than they already are.

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Did it, smoothie.
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