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Author Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s  (Read 864693 times)
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January 01, 2014, 05:06:51 AM
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How the hell do these companies not get prosecuted?  This forum makes it seem like it is legal to defraud people of their money.

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January 01, 2014, 05:35:48 AM
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Can anyone tell me how many devices was available in Batchs 1, 2,3,4 etc

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January 01, 2014, 06:13:06 AM
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How the hell do these companies not get prosecuted?  This forum makes it seem like it is legal to defraud people of their money.

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as someone who went paypal ..paypal executive committee route....ftc.......ftc referral to county attorney bfl is located at....bbb (which was sympathetic but had no clout but the rating)..and of course class action suit ie and in my case asking an individual lawyer..it all came down to this in the USA (some people had more success with refunds from bfl in Europe from what I heard)

tHEY shipped you the product ...sure it was a year late but the regulators we're not impressed..paypal it was after 4 months if you don't get it in another 6 months contact us again ....all the lawyers would not touch this for this reason

ie same reason no class action suit as long as bfl ships you something even if 9 months late and an asic brick the regulators are "whats the problem you got it late but you got it"

so lack of enforcement esp ftc (who punted to county attorney which is prob not gonna go after the multi million dollar business in their county)

also know of folk who have 'won' small claims court ...again ...bfl just ships them a product late...and they ship it back or keep it either way bfl is then off the hook

but mostly from what I heard bfl just ignores small claim losses

again lack of enforcement

so hashfast probably will NOT do the same..but they could at least in the USA.....product in hand is all the regulators care about or else I'd be part of a very large class action lawsuit against bfl with others..but no lawyer will take it

hopefully all will work out with hashfast but that is the way things have been going so far and why bfl folks have had to eat this stuff

again hashfast will likely simply give you more hash ...in bfl's case it was no refund forced to update fall bricks to monarch bricks in future

again ...if no refunds and no enforcement form asic companies.....you are limited on what you can do at this time it may change but...not soon I'm afraid

again don't see this with hashfast..just saying their is that much slack in enforcement that at the present time asic companies can get away with this imho

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January 01, 2014, 06:48:59 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=392977.msg4248560#msg4248560
Looks like Cedivad may have gotten his full BTC back.
So, by refunding BTC to Mr Cedivad, HF finally admits that the refund should equal to the original amount of BTC spent? Thus, everyone else is getting the same amount of BTC spent? HF turns out to be a decent company after all.
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=392977.msg4248560#msg4248560
Looks like Cedivad may have gotten his full BTC back.
So, by refunding BTC to Mr Cedivad, HF finally admits that the refund should equal to the original amount of BTC spent? Thus, everyone else is getting the same amount of BTC spent? HF turns out to be a decent company after all.

Did I miss something?  I have the feeling by his posts that he went to Arbitration and possibly had a good outcome which could be anything over the initial USD refund.
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January 01, 2014, 08:21:29 AM
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I sued BFL and won. Since I live in California, I had to hire an attorney in Johnson County KS. I won by default with damages and atty fees awarded, as BFL failed to show at trial.

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Now the caveat: BFL is very skilled at moving its money and its accounts around the various banks in Leawood Kansas. Our investigator has determined that they had accounts in certain banks which are now closed, but we suspect that they are no longer using the registered corp-name BF Labs Inc as the corporate name on the account they use to pay their local employees-- and they DO have to pay their employees somehow.

So you sued, won, but have no way if getting your money. Great. How is that any good?

I've successfully sued people in the past but if they refuse to pay, or can't pay, it's a waste of time and money. The only one that is gaining here is your lawyer. You paid him, right? Or if there is a partial payment by BFL, is he first in line to cover the legal fees?

I'm sorry but I don't see much of a happy end here
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January 01, 2014, 08:26:28 AM
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I emailed them demanding a refund.

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Is there a better way?

Yes, on the 2nd of Jan when the post office opens, I will send them a registered letter stating I want to know how they are going to solve the problem they are causing. It's called a notice of default and it's the first step one can take to start a conversation with HF to come to some kind of agreement. You can later escalete it to a lawyer if no comprimise can be found.
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January 01, 2014, 08:36:51 AM
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I emailed them demanding a refund.

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Yes, on the 2nd of Jan when the post office opens, I will send them a registered letter stating I want to know how they are going to solve the problem they are causing. It's called a notice of default and it's the first step one can take to start a conversation with HF to come to some kind of agreement. You can later escalete it to a lawyer if no comprimise can be found.

what is the address to send them a registered letter from outside of US? thank you!
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January 01, 2014, 08:46:46 AM
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I emailed them demanding a refund.

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Yes, on the 2nd of Jan when the post office opens, I will send them a registered letter stating I want to know how they are going to solve the problem they are causing. It's called a notice of default and it's the first step one can take to start a conversation with HF to come to some kind of agreement. You can later escalete it to a lawyer if no comprimise can be found.

what is the address to send them a registered letter from outside of US? thank you!
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HASHFAST ONLINE TERMS OF SALE

 

PLEASE READ THIS DOCUMENT CAREFULLY. IT CONTAINS VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE TERMS OF YOUR PURCHASE. THESE TERMS REQUIRE THE USE OF ARBITRATION TO RESOLVE DISPUTES, RATHER THAN JURY TRIALS. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THESE TERMS, DO NOT ORDER YOUR PRODUCT. By placing your order, you accept and are bound by the terms and conditions below.

    TERMS OF AGREEMENT.  These terms and conditions of sale (the “Terms”) apply to and form an integral part of: (a) the purchase of products or licenses to products (each, a “Product”) and services purchased by any individual or legal entity (“Buyer”); (b) all quotations, offers and sales by of Hashfast Technologies, Inc. (“Hashfast”) or by its subsidiaries or other affiliates (each, an “Affiliate”); (c) all acceptances, acknowledgements or confirmations by Hashfast of any order of Buyer, including orders of Buyer resulting from any pricing or other framework agreement between any Buyer and Hashfast; and (d) any agreement incorporating these Terms by reference.

Acceptance by Buyer of these Terms may be evidenced by Buyer or its representative’s: (i) purchase of Product, (ii) clicking an acceptance button or checking an acceptance box online or similar act of acceptance, (iii) or written or verbal assent, (iv) acceptance of delivery of the Products or the first installment of the Products (if applicable), (v) payment or partial payment, or (vi) other conduct constituting acceptance.

    PAYMENT.

(a)     Payments are due in the amounts, in the currency, and at the time stated in the order or confirmation sent by Hashfast, or if not so stated: (a) paid Bitcoin, to the account designated by Hashfast; (b) within thirty (30) days of date of invoice.  If Hashfast incurs exchange rate losses due to Buyer’s failure to pay when payments are due, Hashfast shall be entitled to equivalent compensation from Buyer for such losses.  Hashfast is not responsible for pricing, typographical or other errors in any offer by Hashfast and reserves the right to cancel any orders arising from such errors.

(b)     Interest will accrue on all late payments, at the rate of 18% per annum or the applicable statutory rate, whichever is higher and to the extent permitted by applicable law, from the due date until payment in full.  In the event of any default by Buyer in the payment of any fees or charges due, or any other default by Buyer, Hashfast shall have the right to refuse delivery of any Products until payments are brought current and Hashfast may suspend, delay or cancel any credit, delivery or any other performance by Hashfast. Such right shall be in addition to, and not in lieu of, any other rights and remedies available under the Agreement or at law or in equity for Buyer’s default.

(c)     Prices are based on delivery Ex-Works (Incoterms 2000) Hashfast’s manufacturing facility or other facility designated by Hashfast, unless agreed otherwise in writing between Buyer and Hashfast and do not include any taxes, insurance, duties or similar levies (“Taxes”).  Buyer will pay all Taxes.  If Hashfast is required by law to pay or collect Taxes, Buyer will pay such Taxes to Hashfast upon invoice.  Buyer will pay all shipping costs.

    DELIVERY AND QUANTITIES.

(a)     Guaranteed Baby Jet Delivery Dates.  All of the 550 Baby Jet units from Hashfast’s first production batch are guaranteed for delivery by December 31, 2013.  If Buyer ordered one or more units of such Baby Jets, and Hashfast does not deliver such units by that date, then Buyer may cancel the undelivered portion of the order at Buyer’s request and Hashfast will refund the payment for the units that Buyer purchased but did not receive and cancelled.   This cancellation and refund is Buyer’s sole and exclusive remedy for Hashfast failing to deliver by the December 31, 2013 guaranteed delivery date, and Buyer must cancel the order by January 15, 2014 to avail itself of this remedy.

(b)     Other Delivery Dates.  Except for the delivery dates described in Section 3(a) above and delivery dates explicitly guaranteed using the words “guaranteed delivery” in the order confirmation sent by Hashfast: (i) delivery dates communicated or acknowledged by Hashfast are approximate only; (ii) Hashfast shall not be liable for, nor shall Hashfast be in breach of its obligations to Buyer because of any delivery made within a reasonable time before or after the stated delivery date; and (iii) Buyer will give Hashfast written notice of failure to deliver and ten (10) days within which to cure. In any case, Buyer’s sole and exclusive remedy after such cure period or guaranteed delivery date is to cancel the affected and undelivered portions of the order, and receive a refund for the undelivered portions that were cancelled.

(c)     Products shall be delivered EXWORKS (Incoterms 2000) Hashfast’ manufacturing facility, or other facility as designated by Hashfast, unless otherwise agreed in writing between Hashfast and Buyer.

(d)     In the event Buyer contests delivery, the Buyer must request a proof of delivery from Hashfast within ten (10) days of the date of Hashfast’ invoice or guaranteed delivery date (whichever occurs first), otherwise delivery shall be deemed completed.  If Buyer fails to take delivery, then Hashfast may deliver the Products in consignment at Buyer’s costs and expenses. Timely delivery requires Buyer to provide all necessary order and delivery information sufficiently prior to the agreed delivery date.  Delivery may also be contingent on full payment.  No order, Agreement or any part thereof may be rescheduled or cancelled without Hashfast’ prior written consent except for cancellations permitted under this Section 3.

    RIGHTS IN SOFTWARE, DOCUMENTATION AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.  All intellectual property rights covering Products including without limitation any and all software or documentation or data included in, with or comprising Products, and all ownership rights in and to such intellectual property rights, software, documentation and data, shall remain solely and exclusively with Hashfast or its third party suppliers, whether or not it was developed specifically for the Buyer.  Payment by Buyer of non-recurring charges, as may be made to Hashfast for special design, engineering or production materials required for Hashfast’s performance on orders deviating from Hashfast’s established product line, shall not convey title to either the design or special materials, but title shall remain in Hashfast. Except for licenses explicitly identified in an order confirmation, no rights or licenses are granted, or implied by estoppel or otherwise, under any intellectual property rights of Hashfast or its affiliates or any intellectual property residing in the Products, including software or documentation or any data furnished by Hashfast, except for the license under Hashfast’s intellectual property rights to operate the Products delivered by Hashfast to Buyer for their ordinary function, and subject to the provisions set forth herein.  None of the software, data or electronic files embedded into the Products or accompanying the Products are sold to Buyer.  Notwithstanding anything to the contrary herein, these Terms shall not be construed as conferring any license, right or immunity, either directly or by implication, estoppel or otherwise to Buyer or any third party: (a) with respect to any trademark, trade or brand name, a corporate name of Hashfast or its affiliate(s), or any other name or mark, or contraction abbreviation or simulation thereof; (b) covering a standard set by a standard setting body or agreed to between at least two companies; or (c) if Hashfast has informed Buyer or has published (in a datasheet concerning the Product or elsewhere) a statement that a separate license is needed or useful.  The absence of such a statement in a given version of the datasheet is of no consequence whatsoever if a subsequent version of the datasheet does contain such a statement.  Notwithstanding anything to the contrary herein, these Terms shall not be construed as obligating Hashfast or its affiliate(s) to furnish any manufacturing or technical information.

Buyer shall not duplicate, copy or distribute software or documentation except as specifically provided pursuant to a separate, written license duly executed by Hashfast. Unless otherwise specifically provided in writing and signed by Hashfast, Buyer shall not have the right to any software source code.  Buyer shall not: (a) modify, adapt, alter, translate, or create derivative works from, the software; (b) assign, sublicense, lease, rent, loan, transfer, disclose, or otherwise make available the software; (c) merge or incorporate the software with or into any other software; or (d) reverse assemble, decompile, disassemble, or otherwise attempt to derive the source code for the Software without written authorization from Hashfast.  If Hashfast licenses Buyer to make copies of software or documentation, then Buyer shall reproduce, without any amendments or changes thereto, any proprietary rights legends of Hashfast or its third party suppliers in any software or documentation provided by Hashfast.  Signatures required under these Terms do not include electronic signatures as may otherwise be permitted by applicable law.

Buyer’s rights under the Agreement are conditioned upon Buyer not performing any actions that would result in the Product or any derivative work thereof to be licensed as “Open Source Software”, for example, that would require a Product to be disclosed or distributed in source code form, be licensed for the purpose of making derivative works, or redistributable at no charge.

    CUSTOM PRODUCT.  Hashfast shall have exclusive rights to goods designed and manufactured for the unique needs of Buyer, to Buyer’s specifications or requirements, such as an ASIC to specific clock rate or thermal specifications (“Custom Product”). Hashfast shall retain title to and possession of designs, masks and database tapes. Individual segments or parts of Custom Product designs, including standard cells, megacells, or base arrays, are the property of Hashfast and may be used by Hashfast in other designs and may not be used by Buyer except as a part of Custom Product designed and manufactured by Hashfast. Prices or schedules are subject to increase by Hashfast if any specifications are revised or supplemented or there are unforeseen difficulties with the design.
    COMMERCIAL USE.  Buyer represents and agrees that the Products it purchases are for its own internal, commercial use, and not for resale purposes.  These Terms do not grant distribution rights as a reseller for Hashfast, which must be agreed to separately.
    LIMITED PRODUCT WARRANTY AND DISCLAIMER.

(a)     WARRANTY AGAINST DEFECTS.  Hashfast warrants that under normal use the Products (excluding those referred to in Section 7(b) below) shall, at the time of delivery to Buyer and be substantially free from defects in material or workmanship and shall substantially conform to Hashfast’s specifications for such Product.   Buyer will notify Hashfast in writing of any non-conforming Products within ten (10) days of delivery, otherwise Hashfast will have no further obligation or warranty for such Products.  Such notice will describe in reasonable detail the non-conformance claimed by Buyer.  Delivered Product will be deemed accepted and conforming unless Buyer provides such notice within the ten (10) day period.

(b)     HASHFAST’ SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE OBLIGATION, AND BUYER’S SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE RIGHT, WITH RESPECT TO CLAIMS UNDER ITS WARRANTIES SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE REPLACEMENT OR REPAIR OF A DEFECTIVE OR NON-CONFORMING PRODUCT, OR IF HASHFAST CANNOT REPAIR OR REPLACE SUCH PRODUCT AFTER USING COMMERCIALLY REASONABLE EFFORTS, THEN A REFUND TO BUYER FOR THE PURCHASE PRICE THEREOF.  HASHFAST WILL HAVE A REASONABLE TIME TO REPAIR, REPLACE OR REFUND.  THE NON-CONFORMING OR DEFECTIVE PRODUCTS SHALL BECOME HASHFAST’ PROPERTY AS SOON AS THEY ARE RETURNED FOR REPLACEMENT OR REFUND.

(c)     At Hashfast’s request, Buyer will ship Products returned under warranty claims to Hashfast’s designated facility in conformance with Hashfast’s then-current Return Material Authorization policy and are accompanied by a statement of the reason for the return on a Return Material Authorization form issued by Hashfast. Where warranty adjustment is made, Hashfast will pay for freight expenses. Buyer shall pay for returned Products that are not defective or non-conforming together with the freight, testing and handling costs associated therewith.  Except as provided in this Section 7, Hashfast has no obligation to accept returns.

(d)     Notwithstanding the foregoing, Hashfast shall have no obligations for breach of warranty if the alleged defect or non-conformance is found to have occurred as a result of environmental or stress testing, misuse, neglect, improper installation, accident or as a result of improper repair, operation at voltages other than as specified by Hashfast, use with equipment other than that sold by Hashfast, alteration, modification, storage, transportation or improper handling.  Further, a computing Product will be deemed to operate within its specifications if it varies within ten (10%) more or less than the performance stated in its specifications when operated at the nominal voltage specified by Hashfast.

(e)     THE WARRANTY GRANTED ABOVE SHALL EXTEND DIRECTLY TO BUYER AND NOT TO BUYER’S CUSTOMERS, AGENTS OR REPRESENTATIVES. THE EXPRESS WARRANTY GRANTED ABOVE IS IN LIEU OF ALL OTHER WARRANTIES, WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE,  MERCHANTABILITY, OR NON-INFRINGEMENT OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. ALL OTHER WARRANTIES WHETHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED ARE HEREBY SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIMED BY HASHFAST.

(f)      Except as provided by Section 9, the foregoing states the entire liability of Hashfast, and Buyer’s sole and exclusive remedies, in connection with defect or non-conforming Products.

    LIMITATION OF LIABILITY.

(a)     EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN SECTION 9, NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY, HASHFAST SHALL IN NO CASE BE LIABLE FOR ANY INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, PUNITIVE, SPECIAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING LOST PROFITS OR LOST SAVINGS) ARISING OUT OF ANY AGREEMENT WHETHER OR NOT SUCH DAMAGES ARE BASED ON TORT, WARRANTY, CONTRACT OR ANY OTHER LEGAL THEORY – EVEN IF HASHFAST HAS BEEN ADVISED, OR IS AWARE, OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. IN NO EVENT SHALL HASHFAST BE LIABLE FOR EXCESS PROCUREMENT COSTS AND REWORK CHARGES.

(b)     EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN SECTION 9, HASHFAST’ AGGREGATE LIABILITY TOWARDS BUYER UNDER ANY AGREEMENT SHALL NOT EXCEED AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO: (1) THE GREATER OF (A) THE AMOUNT ACTUALLY RECEIVED BY HASHFAST IN THE TWELVE (12) MONTHS IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING THE EVENT GIVING RISE TO ANY LIABILITY FOR THE PRODUCTS CAUSING ANY LIABILITY OR (B) $5,000 U.S. DOLLARS; OR (2) IN THE CASE OF LIABILITY FOR DELAY OR NON-DELIVERY OF PRODUCTS, THE PURCHASE PRICE PAID FOR SUCH PRODUCTS.

(c)     Any claim for damages must be brought by Buyer within ninety (90) days of the date of the event giving rise to any such claim, and any lawsuit relative to any such claim must be filed within one (1) year of the date of the claim. The limitations of liability set forth in this Section 8 will be read to apply to any liability of Hashfast Affliates, as aggregated with the liability of Hashfast.

    APPLICABLE LAW EXCEPTIONS.  NOTHING IN SECTIONS 7 OR 8 SHALL EXCLUDE OR LIMIT HASHFAST’S WARRANTY OR LIABILITY FOR LOSSES TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY MAY NOT BE LAWFULLY EXCLUDED OR LIMITED BY APPLICABLE LAW. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OF CERTAIN WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OR THE LIMITATION OR EXCLUSION OF LIABILITY FOR LOSS OR DAMAGE CAUSED BY NEGLIGENCE, BREACH OF CONTRACT, BREACH OF IMPLIED TERMS, OR INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. ONLY THE EXCLUSIONS AND LIMITATIONS THAT ARE LAWFULLY APPLIED TO BUYER WILL APPLY TO BUYER, AND HASHFAST’S LIABILITY WILL BE LIMITED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW.  The limitations liability set forth in Section 8 shall not apply to death or personal injury caused by the negligence of Hashfast.
    CONFIDENTIALITY. Buyer acknowledges that all technical, commercial and financial data disclosed to Buyer by Hashfast is the confidential information of Hashfast.  Buyer shall not disclose any such confidential information to any third party and shall not use any such confidential information for any purpose other than as agreed by the parties and in conformance with the purchase transaction contemplated herein.
    COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS.  Each party hereto represents that it its duly authorized to enter into the Agreement and represents that with respect to its performance hereunder, and that each will comply with all applicable federal, state and local laws.
    EXPORT.  Buyer acknowledges that the Products and services provided under these Terms are subject to the customs and export control laws and regulations of the United States (“U.S.”), may be rendered or performed either in the U.S., in countries outside the U.S., or outside of the borders of the country in which Buyer is located, and may also be subject to the customs and export laws and regulations of the country in which the Products or services are received.   Hashfast’s acceptance of any order is contingent upon the issuance of any applicable export license required by the U.S. Government or any other applicable national government, or obtaining an exception to such license; Hashfast is not liable for delays or failure to deliver resulting from your failure to obtain such license or to provide such certification.
    REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS. Hashfast is not responsible for determining whether any Product satisfies the local regulatory requirements of the country (other than the U.S.A.) to which such Products are to be delivered, and Hashfast shall not be obligated to provide any Product where the resulting Products do not satisfy the local regulatory requirements.
    ASSIGNMENT AND SETOFF.  Buyer shall not assign any rights or obligations under the Agreement without the prior written consent of Hashfast. Buyer hereby waives any and all rights to offset existing and future claims against any payments due for Products sold under the Agreement or under any other agreement that Buyer and Hashfast may have and agrees to pay the amounts hereunder regardless of any claimed offset which may be asserted by Buyer or on its behalf.
    GOVERNING LAW AND ARBITRATION.

(a)     ANY CLAIM, DISPUTE OR CONTROVERSY (WHETHER IN CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, WHETHER PRE-EXISTING, PRESENT OR FUTURE, AND INCLUDING STATUTORY, CONSUMER PROTECTION, COMMON LAW, INTENTIONAL TORT) BETWEEN BUYER AND HASHFAST, its agents, employees, principals, successors, assigns, affiliates, subsidiaries, arising from or relating to the purchase of Product, these Terms, its interpretation or the breach, termination or validity thereof, Hashfast’s advertising (each, a ”Dispute”) shall be governed by the laws of the State of California and the Federal Laws of the U.S.A., each without regard to conflicts of law. The parties agree that the UN Convention for the International Sale of Goods will have no force or effect on this Agreement.

(b)     ANY CLAIM, DISPUTE OR CONTROVERSY (WHETHER IN CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, WHETHER PRE-EXISTING, PRESENT OR FUTURE, AND INCLUDING STATUTORY, CONSUMER PROTECTION, COMMON LAW, INTENTIONAL TORT) BETWEEN BUYER AND HASHFAST, its agents, employees, principals, successors, assigns, affiliates, subsidiaries, arising from or relating to the purchase of Product, these Terms, its interpretation or the breach, termination or validity thereof, Hashfast’s advertising, SHALL BE RESOLVED EXCLUSIVELY AND FINALLY BY BINDING ARBITRATION.

(c)     THE ARBITRATION WILL BE CONDUCTED IN IN SANTA CLARA COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A.

(d)     The arbitrator shall have exclusive authority to resolve any dispute relating to arbitrability or enforceability of this arbitration provision including any unconscionability challenge or any other challenge that the arbitration provision or the Agreement is void, voidable or otherwise invalid.  The arbitration shall be administered by the American Arbitration Association (AAA) or JAMS (or a substitute forum if both are unavailable). Arbitration proceedings shall be governed by this provision and the applicable procedures of the selected arbitration administrator, including any applicable procedures for consumer-related disputes, in effect at the time the claim is filed.   The arbitrator(s) will not have the jurisdiction or power to award punitive damages, treble damages or any other damages which are not compensatory, even if permitted under the laws of the California or any other applicable law.  Unless otherwise directed by the arbitrator(s), the parties will bear their own costs and expenses that are reasonable and necessary to participate in such arbitration, including attorneys’ fees.

(e)     NEITHER BUYER NOR HASHFAST SHALL BE ENTITLED TO JOIN OR CONSOLIDATE CLAIMS BY OR AGAINST OTHER BUYERS, OR ARBITRATE OR OTHERWISE PARTICIPATE IN ANY CLAIM AS A CLASS REPRESENTATIVE, CLASS MEMBER OR IN A PRIVATE ATTORNEY GENERAL CAPACITY. If any provision of this arbitration agreement is found unenforceable, the unenforceable provision shall be severed and the remaining arbitration terms shall be enforced (but in no case shall there be a class arbitration).

(f)      The arbitrator shall be empowered to grant whatever relief would be available in court under law or in equity. This transaction shall be governed by the Federal Arbitration Act 9 U.S.C. sec. 1-16 (FAA). Any award of the arbitrator(s) shall be final and binding on each of the parties, and may be entered as a judgment in any court of competent jurisdiction.

(g)      Notwithstanding any other provision in this Section 15 to the contrary, either party will at all times be entitled to seek and obtain injunctive relief in relation to infringement or threatened infringement of its intellectual property rights, in in relation to misappropriation of its trade secrets, in any court having jurisdiction.

     BREACH AND TERMINATION.  Without prejudice to any rights or remedies Hashfast may have under the Agreement or at law, Hashfast may, by written notice to Buyer, terminate with immediate effect the Agreement, or any part thereof, without any liability whatsoever, if: (i) Buyer fails to make payment for any Products to Hashfast when due; (ii) Buyer fails to accept conforming Products supplied hereunder; (iii) a voluntary or involuntary petition in bankruptcy or winding up is filed against Buyer, any proceedings in insolvency or bankruptcy (including reorganization) are instituted against Buyer, a trustee or receiver is appointed over Buyer, any assignment is made for the benefit of creditors of Buyer; or (iv) Buyer violates or breaches any of the provisions of these Terms. Upon occurrence of any of the events referred to above under (i) through (iv), all payments to be made by Buyer under the Agreement shall become immediately due and payable. In the event of cancellation, termination or expiration of any Agreement, the following terms and conditions will survive: Sections 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 (as to limitations, disclaimers, and exclusions), and 8-24.
    PRODUCT AND PRODUCTION CHANGES.  Hashfast reserves the right to make at any time Product or production changes. In such event, such changes shall not on the whole negatively affect the performance characteristics of Products that have been ordered but not yet delivered.
    U.S. GOVERNMENT RESTRICTED RIGHTS. The software and documentation provided with the Products, if any, are “commercial items” as that term is defined at 48 C.F.R. 2.101, consisting of “commercial computer software” and “commercial computer software documentation” as such terms are used in 48 C.F.R. 12.212. Consistent with 48 C.F.R. 12.212 and 48 C.F.R. 227.7202-1 through 227.7202-4, all U.S. Government end users acquire the software and documentation with only those rights set forth herein. Contractor/manufacturer of Hashfast-branded software is Hashfast Technologies LLC, 97 South Second Street #175, San Jose, 95113 United States.
    FORCE MAJEURE.  Hashfast party will not be deemed in default of an Agreement to the extent that performance of its obligations or attempts to cure any breach are delayed or prevented by reason of any act of God, war, civil war, insurrections, strikes, fires, floods, earthquakes, labor disputes, epidemics, governmental regulations, freight embargoes, natural disaster, act of government, or any other cause beyond its reasonable control
    REJECTION OF OTHER TERMS, ACCEPTANCE BY AGENTS.  Any specifications and any terms or conditions set forth on any document or documents issued by Buyer (including “pull order”) either before or after issuance of any offer, order confirmation, or other document by Hashfast are hereby explicitly rejected and disregarded by Hashfast, and any such document shall be wholly inapplicable to any sale made by Hashfast and shall not be binding in any way on Hashfast.
    CONTRACT CONSTRUCTION.  In the event that any provision(s) of the Agreement or these Terms shall be held invalid or unenforceable by a court of competent jurisdiction or by any future legislative or administrative action, such holding or action shall not negate the validity or enforceability of any other provisions hereof. The word “or” as used in this Agreement has the meaning equivalent to “and/or”.  The terms ‘include’, ‘includes’ and ‘including’ will be deemed to be immediately followed by the phrase “without limitation.”
    WAIVER. The failure on the part of either party to exercise, or any delay in exercising, any right or remedy  shall not operate as a waiver thereof; nor shall any single or partial exercise of any right or remedy arising therefrom preclude any other or future exercise thereof or the exercise of any other right or remedy or by any related document or by law.
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    RELATIONSHIP OF PARTIES.  The parties are independent contractors. No provision of these Terms will or shall be deemed to create an association, trust, partnership, joint venture or other entity or similar legal relationship between Hashfast and Buyer, or impose a trust, partnership or fiduciary duty, obligation, or liability on or with respect to such entities. Neither party will have any rights, power or authority to act or create an obligation, express or implied, on behalf of another party except as specified in these Terms.

 

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Nice work PG are we now on to HF? Any news on your 10 BTC bet with Josh or can't you comment about it? Also I liked you much better when you were pointing out BFL's hypocrisy.

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=392977.msg4248560#msg4248560
Looks like Cedivad may have gotten his full BTC back.

No No No No No.

That thing has nothing to do with me personally, as i wrote, it has to do with the "extent of my op"; alias, let the world know about HashFast.

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=392977.msg4248560#msg4248560
Looks like Cedivad may have gotten his full BTC back.

No No No No No.

That thing has nothing to do with me personally, as i wrote, it has to do with the "extent of my op"; alias, let the world know about HashFast.

You should append that post, it's really confusing
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=392977.msg4248560#msg4248560
Looks like Cedivad may have gotten his full BTC back.

No No No No No.

That thing has nothing to do with me personally, as i wrote, it has to do with the "extent of my op"; alias, let the world know about HashFast.

You should append that post, it's really confusing

Not really. I took it to mean he got some larger press coverage of this fiasco.
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January 01, 2014, 09:02:07 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=392977.msg4248560#msg4248560
Looks like Cedivad may have gotten his full BTC back.

No No No No No.

That thing has nothing to do with me personally, as i wrote, it has to do with the "extent of my op"; alias, let the world know about HashFast.

You should append that post, it's really confusing

to all! please let us focus on the fight against HF because they hire a lawyer early in Dec 2013 to protect themselves against their customers.

as of my understanding no one received a full BTC refund so far!

focus on the fight! this forum is public. HF (or the lawyer Adam Ettinger) laugh about us if they reading some post here.

it is a good sign for us if they feel so defensively they have to hire a expensive lawyer. they did a lot of mistake in the past, e.g. changing the TOS over and over again. if the lawyer come to the conclusion he cannot protect them from full BTC refund they will pay a full BTC refund. they have no other chance anymore. stay in business or go bankrupt. I'm sure they choose to stay in business beause they invested a lot in this business (not only money) also heart and brain. they want to stay in the business somehow!

and again! do not sign anything additional after your initial order! it is a trap from a very clever lawyer. and it is their last chance to avoid a full BTC refund!
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what is the address to send them a registered letter from outside of US? thank you!

The best choice for legal purposes is always to use the company registered address to send notification letters. Do not forgot to authenticate your signature and date in the letter:



By the way, is anyone interested to obtain an Experian credit report of HASHFAST TECHNOLOGIES LLC? I could got one, but it have a cost. A credit report would be good to anyone verify what is the financial situation of the company. You could all participate with a little bit and pool the amount to pay for the report, which in BTC would cost more or 0.04 BTC at the moment.
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I don't think it will be of any real use (not in my case at least, I've already decided that i will go against them), but let's do it. (0.01BTC here?)

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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would also pay 0.01 btc for this report.
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Well looks like people will get a extra 5% for a refund not 500% . HF is asking for another 30 days to ship Oct 2013 Jets.

If I had to guess... their time booked at Ciarra has expired for Batch1 and they won't get access again until the end of January... ergo 30 days.

This is of course speculation, as I have no information other than what they write.
Hopefully they realize how much they have screwed up and when the assembly line re-opens, they just ship B1 with MPP (since it will be past the 90days from Oct 30th).  Then B1 can wash our hands of the whole ordeal.

I have "optimistically" updated my spreadsheet.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Auya3iRE6az1dGtKTGZDXzVDeFVjbHl3VmNsT216dHc&usp=drive_web#gid=8

"Optimistic Assumptions":
This assumes we will get delivered a working B1+MPP combined in early February (very unlikely that HF will have found their butt by then with both hands)
This assumes linear daily difficulty in March (unlikely... supra-exponential still likely).
This assumes zero power costs (unlikely for most)

Total lifetime earnings per BJ order with these assumptions:  ~25BTC

To make a long story short...  It won't make sense to buy any miners from any company for the next 12 months.  Expect most mining companies to start self-mining once they finish their customer batches or to sell at a price point ensuring heavy miner losses, as this model is starting to take shape.

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January 01, 2014, 02:36:00 PM
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Well looks like people will get a extra 5% for a refund not 500% . HF is asking for another 30 days to ship Oct 2013 Jets.

If I had to guess... their time booked at Ciarra has expired for Batch1 and they won't get access again until the end of January... ergo 30 days.

This is of course speculation, as I have no information other than what they write.
Hopefully they realize how much they have screwed up and when the assembly line re-opens, they just ship B1 with MPP (since it will be past the 90days from Oct 30th). 


If another 30 days are needed and batch#1 customers are seriously screwed, i would propose that HF offers some kind of compensation.

This compensation doesnt have to be hurried. Instead they could offer us for example units of their (probably happening) second generation units for free including shipping. Similar to whats Cointerra doing at the moment. They are giving free march Terraminer to their screwed Dec customers. Thats not second generation but it shows how such a situation could be handled between Hashfast and their customers in a satisfying way for both sides.

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January 01, 2014, 02:50:32 PM
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I don't think it will be of any real use (not in my case at least, I've already decided that i will go against them), but let's do it. (0.01BTC here?)

would also pay 0.01 btc for this report.

 Angry

I just discovered the report is almost empty... I mean, the only information that Experian have about them is already public. I literally paid for a report which is not a report. How nice from Experian to offer empty reports for money.

Sorry for that guys, I will contact the proper channels to obtain a refund.
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