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January 08, 2014, 02:59:02 AM
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In other news: It appears my refund request by certified mail has bounced. "undeliverable"
Can this thread now officially be renamed as SCAM
That wasn't either of the two addresses I had for them. The two I had were:

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HashFast Technologies LLC
97 Second Street #175
San Jose, CA 95113
United States
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HashFast Technologies LLC (“HashFast”)
100 Bush Street, Suite 650
San Francisco, California 94104, United States

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January 08, 2014, 03:12:28 AM
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That wasn't either of the two addresses I had for them. The two I had were:

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HashFast Technologies LLC
97 Second Street #175
San Jose, CA 95113
United States
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HashFast Technologies LLC (“HashFast”)
100 Bush Street, Suite 650
San Francisco, California 94104, United States

Oh thanks for that. I thought they moved out of their San Jose office, as well as their temp Nextspace office so I figured the San Francisco one I got at http://www.bizapedia.com/ca/HASHFAST-TECHNOLOGIES-LLC.html was correct. (also mentioned earlier here)

The address on my invoice lists yet another address: HashFast, 1060 Gilman, San Francisco, CA 94124
So they are all over the place. It would really help if HashFast would put their current address on their website.

I will try 100 Bush Street and report back.
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January 08, 2014, 03:20:00 AM
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In other news: It appears my refund request by certified mail has bounced. "undeliverable"
Can this thread now officially be renamed as SCAM
That wasn't either of the two addresses I had for them. The two I had were:

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HashFast Technologies LLC
97 Second Street #175
San Jose, CA 95113
United States
and
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HashFast Technologies LLC (“HashFast”)
100 Bush Street, Suite 650
San Francisco, California 94104, United States

Oh thanks for that. I thought they moved out of their San Jose office, as well as their temp Nextspace office so I figured the San Francisco one I got at http://www.bizapedia.com/ca/HASHFAST-TECHNOLOGIES-LLC.html was correct.

The address on my invoice lists yet another address: HashFast, 1060 Gilman, San Francisco, CA 94124
So they are all over the place. It would really help if HashFast would put their current address on their website.

I will try 100 Bush Street and report back.
I'm sure they are moving on purpose...

Here's what I got for 649 Mission Street-
http://jonesdevoy.com/

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January 08, 2014, 03:23:34 AM
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I'm sure they are moving on purpose...

Here's what I got for 649 Mission Street-
http://jonesdevoy.com/

They were never located at 649 Mission Street.  That is their lawyer's address.

http://scounsel.com/contact-us/

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January 08, 2014, 03:37:08 AM
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In other news: It appears my refund request by certified mail has bounced. "undeliverable"
Can this thread now officially be renamed as SCAM
That wasn't either of the two addresses I had for them. The two I had were:

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HashFast Technologies LLC
97 Second Street #175
San Jose, CA 95113
United States
and
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HashFast Technologies LLC (“HashFast”)
100 Bush Street, Suite 650
San Francisco, California 94104, United States

Oh thanks for that. I thought they moved out of their San Jose office, as well as their temp Nextspace office so I figured the San Francisco one I got at http://www.bizapedia.com/ca/HASHFAST-TECHNOLOGIES-LLC.html was correct.

It would really help if HashFast would put their current address on their website.

I will try 100 Bush Street and report back.

Send to both, CC never hurt no one ;-)

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January 08, 2014, 03:39:46 AM
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They were never located at 649 Mission Street.  That is their lawyer's address.

http://scounsel.com/contact-us/
Here is where that confusion came from -

http://experian.alacrastore.com/storecontent/experianus/HASHFAST-TECHNOLOGIES-LLC-972746798

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what is the address to send them a registered letter from outside of US? thank you!

The best choice for legal purposes is always to use the company registered address to send notification letters. Do not forgot to authenticate your signature and date in the letter:



By the way, is anyone interested to obtain an Experian credit report of HASHFAST TECHNOLOGIES LLC? I could got one, but it have a cost. A credit report would be good to anyone verify what is the financial situation of the company. You could all participate with a little bit and pool the amount to pay for the report, which in BTC would cost more or 0.04 BTC at the moment.

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January 08, 2014, 03:51:54 AM
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anyone know if a batch 1 user can get a lawsuit going based on TOS?

Bitcoinica still has not given me 50% of my claim of 600 BTC
INTERSANGO can go down with bitcoinica for abandoning customers
Alberto Armandi is a SCAMMER
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January 08, 2014, 03:59:31 AM
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anyone know if a batch 1 user can get a lawsuit going based on TOS?
http://198.27.67.106/hashfast.pdf

It seems so.

What I found interesting in this case is the heavy references to the term "In stock" on the website. I guess terminology matters.
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January 08, 2014, 04:12:40 AM
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I have found a lawyer who is willing to take our case, and help us get our BTC back, if we can cooperate.)

The name is Ray E. Gallo.

Anybody up for a conference call with Ray, at 3 p.m. today, PT ?
I'll post details later.

If you want the details, PM me your email address, where I can notify you.
(I can't notify you in PMs, because I can only send one PM in every 6 minutes, and only 5 PMs per hour.)

Also, for those who can't make it to today's call,
there will possibly be another conference call 16 hours later: 7 a.m. tomorrow, PT.

I'm not sure whether tomorrow's call is still on, because almost everybody (has has signaled his interest previously) has turned up at today's call.
If you still want to talk with the attorney, I suggest you email or phone him directly.
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January 08, 2014, 04:24:10 AM
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Looks like the first of the articles about Bitcoin mining hardware companies at CES are coming out.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/7/5285242/the-bleeding-edge-in-bitcoin-mining-hardware-comes-to-ces

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Another competitor, HashFast, just started shipping its ultra-fast Baby Jet rigs in late December.

The first three words is such a tease.

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The bleeding edge...

I thought is was all about HashTortuga.
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January 08, 2014, 04:28:14 AM
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anyone know if a batch 1 user can get a lawsuit going based on TOS?
http://198.27.67.106/hashfast.pdf

It seems so.

What I found interesting in this case is the heavy references to the term "In stock" on the website. I guess terminology matters.

As interesting IMO on a much larger scale than just HF was this part.  Essentially this should serve as pretty good notice to current manufactures that refusing to refunds to a customer that wishes to cancel there order is a violation of the law (in this case Cal but you can bet most if not all states have similar laws).  There is a reason that using pre-order customer funding for start ups is only done in the back streets of the BTC community.  Hell even kick starter got fucked to many times and now all they allow are "donations", ever wonder why that is?  It's for legal liability issues, the only way to get out of them and still have customers fund start ups is to have the customers agree to "donate" the money and IF you eventually get something in return good for you, if not well good for you as well.

I don't care about NRE or buying supplies to make product and neither does the law, there is a relationship between the consumer and the business, each of those parties assume certain risk, this doesn't get changed because there bitcoin miners or it's new technology, the laws of consumer retail dont fucking change.

BTC needs this stuff to shake the fuck out if you all want big business money to roll in and BTC value to skyrocket.  The real world doesn't operate like this and won't tolerate it forever.

THIRD CLAIM FOR RELIEF
(Violation of Cal. Bus. & Prof. Code §17200, et seq.)
57. Morici realleges and incorporates by reference all preceding paragraphs of the
Complaint.
58. The acts and practices of HashFast as alleged herein constitute unlawful business
acts and practices within the meaning of Cal. Bus. & Prof. Code §§ 17200, et seq. HashFast has
engaged in unlawful business acts and practices as alleged above, but in particular by their
violation of Cal. Civ. Code § 1723, which requires merchants to “conspicuously” display any
no-refund policies, and to provide refunds to customers who attempt to return goods within 30
days of purchase. HashFast has engaged in unfair business practices as alleged above, but in
particular by failing to provide Morici with the option to consent to a delayed shipping date or
cancel his order, in violation of 16 C.F.R. § 435.2. Further, HashFast has engaged in unfair
business practices as alleged above, but in particular by inducing Mr. Morici to purchase
HashFast’s products by making inaccurate representations regarding delivery times and failing
to follow the aforementioned laws governing Mr. Morici’s cancellation and refund rights.
59. HashFast’s actions have caused Morici damage.
60. HashFast has been unjustly enriched and should be required to make restitution
to Morici pursuant to Cal. Bus. & Prof. Code § 1723.
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January 08, 2014, 04:30:47 AM
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Morici v Hashfast Technologies
Case5:14-cv-00087

http://198.27.67.106/hashfast.pdf

Quote from: legal doc
48. HashFast purported to ship an item to Morici, but the shipment was partial, and in any event, came too little too late

did not realize that HF had shipped anything - where is this info from or is Morici 'icebreaker'?

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January 08, 2014, 04:36:04 AM
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pmorici posted in the last page like 5-8 posts back.

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January 08, 2014, 04:42:41 AM
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pmorici posted in the last page like 5-8 posts back.

still unsure how Morici can claim "HashFast purported to ship an item to Morici" unless he has had private communication with HF - I thought only two units had 'shipped' - one to icebreaker and one to Luke Jr.

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January 08, 2014, 04:49:45 AM
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In other news: It appears my refund request by certified mail has bounced. "undeliverable"
Can this thread now officially be renamed as SCAM
That wasn't either of the two addresses I had for them. The two I had were:

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HashFast Technologies LLC
97 Second Street #175
San Jose, CA 95113
United States
and
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HashFast Technologies LLC (“HashFast”)
100 Bush Street, Suite 650
San Francisco, California 94104, United States

Obviously, this is important for people trying to send in order cancellation and refund notices.  I fedexed my cancellation to the San Jose address...is that the one people think is most likely to be received?  

Get this though...I called the support telephone number listed on their site and asked the farmed-out support guy for their corporate mailing address.  He told me that he couldn't give me their mailing address...that he would take down my email address and pass a note on to them.  Are you fucking kidding me?  And it isn't listed on their web page...is that even legal (not that any of the other shit they have done is legal)?  Wow...what a bunch of total assholes...before I just wanted my money back...now I'm looking forward to this lawsuit and to inflicting as much damage to them as possible.
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January 08, 2014, 05:05:00 AM
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They promised that there would be an independent DIY community at the time, but no technical specifications of the chip has been released which would be a pre-requisite.

Plans are being made to jumpstart the HashFast FOSS/FOSH ecosystem.  Watch this space...   Wink

If the MPP is triggered there will be a healthy market for raw GN chips and assembly services.

I know how badly Avalon burned the DIY community, but don't worry, the adults have arrived!

So when can we expect more info on this front?  Hopefully before November?

I'm having trouble figuring out who's who in this tangled mess.
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January 08, 2014, 05:19:35 AM
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Hopefully with these companies making huge investments in bitcoin tech, we can see people making bigger investments in promoting the use and therefore increase in value in bitcoin. We should be seeing ads on TV, having people try to get local businesses around the country hooked up and using the currency.  In theory, they should be all for it because they won't have to pay swipe fees, which can add up.


We agree  with you Ytterbium.

Our goals are certainly in alignment with the promotion of BTC overall, and we will be working the press on this front. (my job)

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January 08, 2014, 05:56:47 AM
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Obviously, this is important for people trying to send in order cancellation and refund notices.  I fedexed my cancellation to the San Jose address...is that the one people think is most likely to be received?  

Get this though...I called the support telephone number listed on their site and asked the farmed-out support guy for their corporate mailing address.  He told me that he couldn't give me their mailing address...that he would take down my email address and pass a note on to them.  Are you fucking kidding me?  And it isn't listed on their web page...is that even legal (not that any of the other shit they have done is legal)?  Wow...what a bunch of total assholes...before I just wanted my money back...now I'm looking forward to this lawsuit and to inflicting as much damage to them as possible.

I think the San Jose address is their former temporary working space @ nextspace coworking (Aug - Sept)

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Nexstpace San Jose
97 South Second St
San Jose, CA 95113
United States

After San Jose they moved to another nextspace coworking location in San Francisco (Oct - Nov):

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Nextspace Potrero Hill
365 Vermont Street
San Francisco, CA 94103
United States

Now they should be in their new office space on Bush & Market. (Dec - now):

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HashFast Technologies LLC (“HashFast”)
100 Bush Street, Suite 650
San Francisco, CA 94104
United States

So the last one should be your best bet. As someone mentioned earlier - If you want to be sure; mail them all.
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January 08, 2014, 06:04:36 AM
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The "You're screwed if you sign this refund request." form had the Bush street address on it.

They would probably want that one to be valid.
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January 08, 2014, 07:00:13 AM
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Another email from HF, and more BS:

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You need to request your refund before January 9th, and before we ship your Batch 1 order to you, otherwise we will assume that you have agreed to this shipment delay.

A whole day.. so nice of you. Much better than the Jan 15 deadline.

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Your amount of refund will be the same as the USD amount shown below and in your order confirmation.  Our products were purchased based on the purchase price stated in USD.  We accepted payment in Bitcoin and other currencies as a convenience to our customers.  For the great majority of our Batch 1 customers, we never received Bitcoin, but instead received USD from our payment processor, BitPay, and used the money to pay our suppliers and costs.   Most early customers received a preferable exchange rate that reduced our revenue by 8%-10%.  We also have customers that have paid in Bitcoin when the exchange rate was far higher than it is today, so our approach to providing refunds in USD is not a policy designed only to benefit us.  

Thank you for the convenience of only providing 1 option to pay: BTC

Oh, you spent all our money but don't have a product? No problem!

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What happens if you miss the January 28 ship date?
You will be able to cancel your order again and receive a refund if we miss our January 28th ship date.  Please note that we may under certain circumstances accept your cancelation and refund request between January 10th  and January 28th.

TL;DR - As long as the BTC price keeps going up we can keep delaying forever.

Also the email contains 2 slightly different variants of the same address...

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Hashfast Technologies LLC
100 Bush St., Suite 650
San Francisco, CA 94104

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HashFast Technologies
100 Bush St
Suite 650
San Francisco, CA 94103
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